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00:00:22,098\n王正旭委員進行諮詢我們還是請辛苦的部長還有署長好,請部長、署長是,召委好,部長好是\n\n2\n00:00:24,468 --> 00:00:42,377\n我想大家都很關心這個食安的問題那一開始趙志偉也有提到好像跟致癌有關係那剛好這是我的專業那目前我們也知道我們今天所出現的這個蘇丹紅事件基本上他是第三級的致癌物\n\n3\n00:00:43,577 --> 00:01:09,143\n第三級的意思就是他對在動物實驗上可能可以發生癌症可是實際上在人體還沒有被發現過因為基本上蘇丹紅他不應該是使用在人類身上所以就沒有相關的數據不過我們也相信大家一定會非常關心未來在癌症的問題不過我想我們還是針對現在更關心的問題怎麼來處理怎麼來檢討\n\n4\n00:01:11,544 --> 00:01:13,566\n我們知道目前為止事實上看起來是越滾越大的這些困難\n\n5\n00:01:30,086 --> 00:01:48,166\n我們也知道其實從105年就啟動了這個食安五環到底這個食安五環是不是有它的成效本席認為其實它還是有一定的成效只是這次又出現了這個系統性問題那代表我們還是要不斷的精進\n\n6\n00:01:49,367 --> 00:02:07,057\n在不斷的精進裡面透過這次的事件我們發現民眾發現到最後能夠清除出這麼多的問題的確也能夠讓食安五環發生它這個成效我的第一個問題就是其實依照這個媒體的\n\n7\n00:02:10,541 --> 00:02:20,272\n這個報載在去年底就有一家他的下游廠商發現了問題演出了這個蘇丹紅他就把他退貨同時也讓這個相關的這個\n\n8\n00:02:25,959 --> 00:02:44,186\n保新他們做後續的處理那很可惜如果那個時候如果那個時候能夠掌握到這個問題點的話相信後面的問題應該就不會有機會產生那剛剛邱委員也有提到我們有沒有相關的這個同業的市井機制\n\n9\n00:02:45,066 --> 00:03:00,831\n那這個事情即是未來要如何的產生為什麼我們的同業他無法把這樣的訊息有效的傳遞到我們的主管機關這部分不知道部長有哪一些的意見其實同業之間發現說至於送院發現說有這個違規的成分的話理論上還是應該要通報但是以這一個\n\n10\n00:03:15,136 --> 00:03:32,662\n委員所提到這一個的話那我們並不知道有這麼一回事我們並不知道有這樣一回事那這一個部分的話未來是也許是可以加強不過這變成說對廠商的要有這樣一致性的要求\n\n11\n00:03:36,780 --> 00:04:03,678\n對,應該是要通報,但是他等於說把他私了這個處理是不太恰當的我們會再重申可能是沒有通報的話可能會有一定的責任是,我們了解各個專業之間都會有同儕壓力以食安為例,如果他上下有這個關係的話未來如何能夠建構好這樣的市井機制\n\n12\n00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:32,584\n本席認為非常非常重要這個已經是在食安五環裡面還要再加強的部分這是第一個問題那第二個問題就是邊境查驗剛剛已經看到非常非常多的這些委員有發表的高見那我們看到這個數據就是112年的確有出現22批已經不合格的批數所以如果有更好的滾動檢驗的強度跟密度\n\n13\n00:04:33,304 --> 00:05:01,317\n理論上就可以減少這樣的風險發生那其實剛剛昭惠有提到我們的人力真的是非常非常的不夠所以相信通過這次的事件以後也期待未來在編類預算或者是各方面應該國會這邊會努力的來加強這方面的要求那也希望能夠提供適當的人力出來讓這個處理可以更完整\n\n14\n00:05:01,897 --> 00:05:24,024\n不過我比較好奇的就是通常這個進口商或者是廠商他們會進這些進來出現違規的這個食品添加物應該是有它的價格上的問題意思就是說如果同一批類似的產品他們要進來一定有一定的\n\n15\n00:05:25,306 --> 00:05:25,767\n市場機制的價格．\n\n16\n00:05:40,051 --> 00:06:06,327\n有可能產生哪一些的方式來瞭解當這個價錢跟市場機制是很不合理的改變的時候我們有沒有市井的機制跟委員報告這一個部分從價格上面可能會看不出來因為他以A代B以違規的來取代是合法的他不會跟你講也不見得會反映在售價上面報價上面\n\n17\n00:06:08,316 --> 00:06:30,495\n因為這樣一趟比較多啦用合格的也許他的成本10塊嘛用不合格的成本降到7塊他又賺了這3塊他不會即時跟你報說我成本降了3塊,不會所以他就會獲得那3塊錢的包吏所以大概從價格上面要去做管制大概有他的困難\n\n18\n00:06:31,761 --> 00:06:41,342\n瞭解,所以的確有它執行上的困難好,那往下我們可以看我們也可以瞭解再往下看\n\n19\n00:06:43,007 --> 00:07:03,603\n食安問題真的是很嚴重尤其我們也了解中國的食安意識相對不足這是我們可以從各方面來了解因為包括在幾年前就有這個三聚千安的事件導致很多小朋友得到這個很不好的結果所以一個建議\n\n20\n00:07:04,804 --> 00:07:19,391\n我們有沒有可能去標示產地尤其是這些高風險的國家進到台灣來它的添加物如果會頻繁的出現在這個食品上面的話那對於已經出現過好幾次的這種\n\n21\n00:07:25,254 --> 00:07:38,893\n對食安造成問題的這些添加物我們能不能夠也同時要求要標示產地資訊的公開保障國人的食安安全這個可以提供我們民眾更多的這個資訊安全的這些保障\n\n22\n00:07:39,813 --> 00:08:00,431\n根據食安法的規定,不管是產品進來都必須標示製造果,包括添加物的部分其實也是要的,只是在技術上可能有太多困難\n\n23\n00:08:01,272 --> 00:08:23,961\n比方說現在是這一次的事件一瓶辣椒粉你可以去標示說這辣椒粉的原產果是在中國這沒有問題但是辣椒粉所添加的色素要另外再去標示說這個色素的來源果是多少那恐怕在那小小的一瓶辣椒粉的標示的\n\n24\n00:08:24,811 --> 00:08:27,755\n最後一個問題就是我不知道我們是不是算食品大國?\n\n25\n00:08:41,972 --> 00:08:55,694\n我們即將邁向健康大國可是食品安全真的是除了對我們國民有重大影響以外那我們也知道這一批產品已經外送到外銷到馬來西亞\n\n26\n00:08:57,156 --> 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03:32.662\n委員所提到這一個的話那我們並不知道有這麼一回事我們並不知道有這樣一回事那這一個部分的話未來是也許是可以加強不過這變成說對廠商的要有這樣一致性的要求\n\n03:36.780 --> 04:03.678\n對,應該是要通報,但是他等於說把他私了這個處理是不太恰當的我們會再重申可能是沒有通報的話可能會有一定的責任是,我們了解各個專業之間都會有同儕壓力以食安為例,如果他上下有這個關係的話未來如何能夠建構好這樣的市井機制\n\n04:06.300 --> 04:32.584\n本席認為非常非常重要這個已經是在食安五環裡面還要再加強的部分這是第一個問題那第二個問題就是邊境查驗剛剛已經看到非常非常多的這些委員有發表的高見那我們看到這個數據就是112年的確有出現22批已經不合格的批數所以如果有更好的滾動檢驗的強度跟密度\n\n04:33.304 --> 05:01.317\n理論上就可以減少這樣的風險發生那其實剛剛昭惠有提到我們的人力真的是非常非常的不夠所以相信通過這次的事件以後也期待未來在編類預算或者是各方面應該國會這邊會努力的來加強這方面的要求那也希望能夠提供適當的人力出來讓這個處理可以更完整\n\n05:01.897 --> 05:24.024\n不過我比較好奇的就是通常這個進口商或者是廠商他們會進這些進來出現違規的這個食品添加物應該是有它的價格上的問題意思就是說如果同一批類似的產品他們要進來一定有一定的\n\n05:25.306 --> 05:25.767\n市場機制的價格．\n\n05:40.051 --> 06:06.327\n有可能產生哪一些的方式來瞭解當這個價錢跟市場機制是很不合理的改變的時候我們有沒有市井的機制跟委員報告這一個部分從價格上面可能會看不出來因為他以A代B以違規的來取代是合法的他不會跟你講也不見得會反映在售價上面報價上面\n\n06:08.316 --> 06:30.495\n因為這樣一趟比較多啦用合格的也許他的成本10塊嘛用不合格的成本降到7塊他又賺了這3塊他不會即時跟你報說我成本降了3塊,不會所以他就會獲得那3塊錢的包吏所以大概從價格上面要去做管制大概有他的困難\n\n06:31.761 --> 06:41.342\n瞭解,所以的確有它執行上的困難好,那往下我們可以看我們也可以瞭解再往下看\n\n06:43.007 --> 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