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00:02:53,855\n的一個名額其實有相當大一個差距有一個很大的情況可能是說因為他們本來就不是專業的在處理這個相關的一個移工的一個機構所以他們對於這相關的一個引進跟管理可能是沒有足夠的一個能力所以本期想要特別問的其實是農業部這邊有沒有可能去開放救福機構來進行外展農務的相關業務\n\n9\n00:02:56,553 --> 00:03:13,753\n基本上農業部的立場還是希望因為我們農業部本身的整個的一個網絡的關係還是以農會跟一些比較大小的合作社長為主那一般的就業服務中心他純粹只是幫你幫你仲介他對於農業不了解的時候他後續可能對於\n\n10\n00:03:18,061 --> 00:03:38,954\n所以說目前的狀態就是農會跟漁會因為他們本身對這部分的專業不是不足夠的專業所以他們在處理這部分其實也沒有辦法真正的滿足所以我剛剛為什麼提到一個將近8萬6千個一個失業移工的一個狀態目前一個相關單位他們的一個說法是因為目前這個部分的失業移工很多都在農業部門裡頭\n\n11\n00:03:41,216 --> 00:04:08,373\n農業部門裡頭所以事實上他們也擔心處理這個部分的時候呢會影響到整個農業部門的一個發展所以他們對這部分其實相對保留的所以本席這邊先提出這個問題就對於農業部是不是可以開放救福機構來進行就是外展農務的一個相關業務請回去再做一個探討再跟本席辦公室這邊來做一個討論另外一個部分就是因為現在的一個移工他們有\n\n12\n00:04:09,514 --> 00:04:37,979\n要滿足就是牢機法的問題可是農業的一個性質它有非常大的特殊性農盲跟農閒的部分差距非常的大所以說他們這個部分是不是有可能就是突破牢機法的限制這是第一個第二個部分的時候就是說這些外展的農務的移工的時候他們有沒有可能在農閒的時候有可能去跨行業的去支援其他產業\n\n13\n00:04:40,027 --> 00:04:58,027\n我跟委員說明第一個就是說在農盲的時候我們可以透過專案報準的方式去處理這個應該可以時間可以調整第二個就是說您剛才說的農閒的時候是不是可以到其他的行業這個是勞動部是有限制的因為最主要就是\n\n14\n00:04:59,008 --> 00:05:25,431\n包括其他行業農業部長．本席覺得說因為這是目前很具體碰到的問題我希望你做一個跨部會的溝通之後再跟本辦做一個很詳細的溝通或者是我們同時來做一個協調會來看怎麼樣突破這個問題好不好然後接下來本席要問一個狀態就是說因為之前本席在上一屆當中的時候曾經提過有關於那個學校衛生法的一個修法\n\n15\n00:05:26,911 --> 00:05:44,196\n當時教育部這邊對於本席提到說應該要在校園當中禁用以行獸體數的相關的一個涉及的產品的時候呢那麼教育部他們當時提出來的理由是說因為農業部這邊有三張EQ他們用這個部分來\n\n16\n00:05:51,175 --> 00:06:08,776\n主旨了我們當時希望能夠修改學校衛生法的部分可是去年又發生了很多混珠的事件而且也被確定是確實有這個狀態所以本席想要問的情況是說對於這樣子三張EQ的部分我們如何去落實\n\n17\n00:06:10,077 --> 00:06:35,771\n中間發生混珠的狀態那麼在消費者或者學校這邊他們要如何去確定他們用到的狀態是符合三臟疫苗安全的部分我跟委員說明一下我們農業部推動的三臟疫苗包括農林魚序的產品最重要的就是它能夠有做回溯的這樣的一個機制所以你如果說是符合三臟疫苗的部分它一定是確保是由國產的\n\n18\n00:06:37,292 --> 00:07:05,098\n這個部分理解這個部分都沒有問題可是我的問題其實是說你回到我們的網頁這個部分是我們的溯源編號裡面這個部分它的溯源編號這是我們自己去用的一個部分那我想問的一個情況是說如果是供應商肉品供應商他如果在這裡面他找到一個溯源編碼的時候他自己去做而非真實的一個狀態我們如何去查核\n\n19\n00:07:05,976 --> 00:07:28,615\n我想整個的溯源碼你如果經過掃描以後它如果是偽造的話馬上後台的資料帶不出來第二個部分是我們跟學校有一個營養午餐的平台所以學校的這些營養午餐的平台本身的營養是在開的或者是進到學校的營養午餐的部分的所有的聖誕EQ我們都會協助做對接去做一個查核\n\n20\n00:07:29,673 --> 00:07:31,295\n昨年缺氮非常嚴重,今年還缺不缺氮?\n\n21\n00:07:51,394 --> 00:08:14,266\n以今年來看因為我們在去年因為蛋的比較急迫需要從國外進口的時候我們也同步針對國內的復養啟動了從雛雞、腫雞、蛋中雞到戰雞的整個復養所以今年來看整個復養的情況還不錯有新的這些老母雞已經淘汰變成新的一些蛋雞生產目前本身大概2414萬\n\n22\n00:08:17,668 --> 00:08:19,850\n我們現在的供應合約都已經終止了都已經終止了\n\n23\n00:08:39,065 --> 00:08:56,937\n沒有還持續在有效的合約當中的嗎?沒有我們本來的合約是到5月底後來我們都已經因為我們當初的合約有三家是長約的部分然後長約的部分有的已經結束了然後最後一個澳洲的部分我們現在目前因為我們在合約的規範裡面是說\n\n24\n00:09:00,079 --> 00:09:13,470\n當我們農業部有需要的話才會啟動而不是定期的大概是這個方式所以合約還在嘛對不對只是你們現在沒有去要求他這邊提供嘛對不對所以這就基本上合約還在\n\n25\n00:09:15,131 --> 00:09:31,899\n澳洲的部分合理還在是中間的中止的狀態而不是最終結束的狀態對不對那針對這部分本席也需要再進一步瞭解那麼最後一個部分我看到因為現在整個碳的問題其實非常的大家都非常的重視\n\n26\n00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:58,914\n那麼我看到就是2023我們就是臺灣的最新的溫室氣體排放清澈裡面跟農業部這邊有關的糧食系統的一個碳排放的一個部分只有記錄了畜牧業、作物生產兩個部分對於其他的部分都沒有記錄,是這樣子嗎?我想畜牧的部分最主要是甲烷的部分,它佔的農業...來,你沒有回答,我要問的狀態是漁業有沒有包含進來?\n\n27\n00:10:00,522 --> 00:10:18,210\n因為現在目前好像沒有嘛對不對整個生產過程當中加工包裝運輸都沒有包含進來所以本席對於這個部分覺得農業部對於整個碳盤差是不夠的只做一半半套的一個狀態所以本席希望農業部對於碳盤差的狀態能夠更\n\n28\n00:10:20,371 --> 00:10:27,113\n稍微簡單的說明我們現在的碳盤查整個碳的這些排放的話還是根據國際的IPC的相關的規範在做那整個碳盤查也是從生產端到消費端的部分所以它本身會看到它的能\n\n29\n00:10:49,518 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理解 這個部分都沒有問題可是我的問題其實是說你回到我們的網頁 這個部分是我們的溯源編號 裡面這個部分它的溯源編號這是我們自己去用的一個部分 那我想問的一個情況是說如果是供應商 肉品供應商他如果在這裡面他找到一個溯源編碼的時候 他自己去做 而非真實的一個狀態 我們如何去查核\n425976\t448615\t我想整個的溯源碼你如果經過掃描以後它如果是偽造的話馬上後台的資料帶不出來第二個部分是我們跟學校有一個營養午餐的平台所以學校的這些營養午餐的平台本身的營養是在開的或者是進到學校的營養午餐的部分的所有的聖誕EQ我們都會協助做對接去做一個查核\n449673\t451295\t昨年缺氮非常嚴重,今年還缺不缺氮?\n471394\t494266\t以今年來看因為我們在去年因為蛋的比較急迫需要從國外進口的時候我們也同步針對國內的復養啟動了從雛雞、腫雞、蛋中雞到戰雞的整個復養所以今年來看整個復養的情況還不錯有新的這些老母雞已經淘汰變成新的一些蛋雞生產目前本身大概2414萬\n497668\t499850\t我們現在的供應合約都已經終止了都已經終止了\n519065\t536937\t沒有還持續在有效的合約當中的嗎?沒有我們本來的合約是到5月底後來我們都已經因為我們當初的合約有三家是長約的部分然後長約的部分有的已經結束了然後最後一個澳洲的部分我們現在目前因為我們在合約的規範裡面是說\n540079\t553470\t當我們農業部有需要的話才會啟動而不是定期的大概是這個方式所以合約還在嘛對不對只是你們現在沒有去要求他這邊提供嘛對不對所以這就基本上合約還在\n555131\t571899\t澳洲的部分合理還在是中間的中止的狀態而不是最終結束的狀態對不對那針對這部分本席也需要再進一步瞭解那麼最後一個部分我看到因為現在整個碳的問題其實非常的大家都非常的重視\n572799\t598914\t那麼我看到就是2023我們就是臺灣的最新的溫室氣體排放清澈裡面跟農業部這邊有關的糧食系統的一個碳排放的一個部分只有記錄了畜牧業、作物生產兩個部分對於其他的部分都沒有記錄,是這樣子嗎?我想畜牧的部分最主要是甲烷的部分,它佔的農業...來,你沒有回答,我要問的狀態是漁業有沒有包含進來?\n600522\t618210\t因為現在目前好像沒有嘛 對不對整個生產過程當中加工包裝運輸都沒有包含進來所以本席對於這個部分覺得農業部對於整個碳盤差是不夠的只做一半半套的一個狀態所以本席希望農業部對於碳盤差的狀態能夠更\n620371\t627113\t稍微簡單的說明我們現在的碳盤查整個碳的這些排放的話還是根據國際的IPC的相關的規範在做那整個碳盤查也是從生產端到消費端的部分所以它本身會看到它的能\n649518\t672666\t我們農業的供應端就沒有啊中間的加工包裝運送都沒有包含在這裡頭啊還是我們這個溫室氣體的這個資料不完整因為溫室氣體有兩部分一部分是綠色鎖條帳另外一個我們在碳的足跡追動的話從生產到加工到運輸都會把它放進去這個部分我們正在進行OK你們之後再到本辦公室做進一步的說明好不好\n","txt":"委員請做詢答,謝謝主席好,我想請一下代理部長好,我們再請陳部長\n陳代理部長好我首先想問一下這是我第一次在經濟委員會的一個這樣的質詢那我想說首先先問一個有關於那個外產動物要點相關的問題\n我看農業部這邊的資料目前台灣農業常態缺工大概有1.2萬人那季節性臨時缺工有20.1萬人那目前的時候我們要補這樣子的一個勞動力不足的情況的時候\n透過移工這邊來做一個補充那我們目前整個開放名額在整個自聘的部分有9000人那外展農務的部分有3000人那合併出來的狀態就是在整個自聘的部分不到5000那麼外展農務的部分2600人那實際的狀態又更低實際的狀態又更低所以我們整個看起來的情況就是說整個在農業這個部分能力不足的情況其實是非常明顯的\n本席想要問的一個情況是說因為目前整個那個\n我看到那個移民署最新的一個數字到2月20號的一個統計數字就是我們目前失聯移工有85,947人那可能有相當大的一個量可能都在農業相關的一個\n﹗\n農民團體、漁民團體、一些協會就是一些非營利組織可是問題是他們我剛給看的數字說事實上我們整個外展農務這邊開放出來的名額跟實際\n的一個名額其實有相當大一個差距有一個很大的情況可能是說因為他們本來就不是專業的在處理這個相關的一個移工的一個機構所以他們對於這相關的一個引進跟管理可能是沒有足夠的一個能力所以本期想要特別問的其實是農業部這邊有沒有可能去開放救福機構來進行外展農務的相關業務\n基本上農業部的立場還是希望因為我們農業部本身的整個的一個網絡的關係還是以農會跟一些比較大小的合作社長為主那一般的就業服務中心他純粹只是幫你幫你仲介他對於農業不了解的時候他後續可能對於\n所以說目前的狀態就是農會跟漁會因為他們本身對這部分的專業不是不足夠的專業所以他們在處理這部分其實也沒有辦法真正的滿足所以我剛剛為什麼提到一個將近8萬6千個一個失業移工的一個狀態目前一個相關單位他們的一個說法是因為目前這個部分的失業移工很多都在農業部門裡頭\n農業部門裡頭所以事實上他們也擔心處理這個部分的時候呢會影響到整個農業部門的一個發展所以他們對這部分其實相對保留的所以本席這邊先提出這個問題就對於農業部是不是可以開放救福機構來進行就是外展農務的一個相關業務請回去再做一個探討再跟本席辦公室這邊來做一個討論另外一個部分就是因為現在的一個移工他們有\n要滿足就是牢機法的問題可是農業的一個性質它有非常大的特殊性農盲跟農閒的部分差距非常的大所以說他們這個部分是不是有可能就是突破牢機法的限制這是第一個第二個部分的時候就是說這些外展的農務的移工的時候他們有沒有可能在農閒的時候有可能去跨行業的去支援其他產業\n我跟委員說明第一個就是說在農盲的時候我們可以透過專案報準的方式去處理這個應該可以時間可以調整第二個就是說您剛才說的農閒的時候是不是可以到其他的行業這個是勞動部是有限制的因為最主要就是\n包括其他行業農業部長．本席覺得說因為這是目前很具體碰到的問題我希望你做一個跨部會的溝通之後再跟本辦做一個很詳細的溝通或者是我們同時來做一個協調會來看怎麼樣突破這個問題好不好然後接下來本席要問一個狀態就是說因為之前本席在上一屆當中的時候曾經提過有關於那個學校衛生法的一個修法\n當時教育部這邊對於本席提到說應該要在校園當中禁用以行獸體數的相關的一個涉及的產品的時候呢那麼教育部他們當時提出來的理由是說因為農業部這邊有三張EQ他們用這個部分來\n主旨了我們當時希望能夠修改學校衛生法的部分可是去年又發生了很多混珠的事件而且也被確定是確實有這個狀態所以本席想要問的情況是說對於這樣子三張EQ的部分我們如何去落實\n中間發生混珠的狀態那麼在消費者或者學校這邊他們要如何去確定他們用到的狀態是符合三臟疫苗安全的部分我跟委員說明一下我們農業部推動的三臟疫苗包括農林魚序的產品最重要的就是它能夠有做回溯的這樣的一個機制所以你如果說是符合三臟疫苗的部分它一定是確保是由國產的\n這個部分 理解 這個部分都沒有問題可是我的問題其實是說你回到我們的網頁 這個部分是我們的溯源編號 裡面這個部分它的溯源編號這是我們自己去用的一個部分 那我想問的一個情況是說如果是供應商 肉品供應商他如果在這裡面他找到一個溯源編碼的時候 他自己去做 而非真實的一個狀態 我們如何去查核\n我想整個的溯源碼你如果經過掃描以後它如果是偽造的話馬上後台的資料帶不出來第二個部分是我們跟學校有一個營養午餐的平台所以學校的這些營養午餐的平台本身的營養是在開的或者是進到學校的營養午餐的部分的所有的聖誕EQ我們都會協助做對接去做一個查核\n昨年缺氮非常嚴重,今年還缺不缺氮?\n以今年來看因為我們在去年因為蛋的比較急迫需要從國外進口的時候我們也同步針對國內的復養啟動了從雛雞、腫雞、蛋中雞到戰雞的整個復養所以今年來看整個復養的情況還不錯有新的這些老母雞已經淘汰變成新的一些蛋雞生產目前本身大概2414萬\n我們現在的供應合約都已經終止了都已經終止了\n沒有還持續在有效的合約當中的嗎?沒有我們本來的合約是到5月底後來我們都已經因為我們當初的合約有三家是長約的部分然後長約的部分有的已經結束了然後最後一個澳洲的部分我們現在目前因為我們在合約的規範裡面是說\n當我們農業部有需要的話才會啟動而不是定期的大概是這個方式所以合約還在嘛對不對只是你們現在沒有去要求他這邊提供嘛對不對所以這就基本上合約還在\n澳洲的部分合理還在是中間的中止的狀態而不是最終結束的狀態對不對那針對這部分本席也需要再進一步瞭解那麼最後一個部分我看到因為現在整個碳的問題其實非常的大家都非常的重視\n那麼我看到就是2023我們就是臺灣的最新的溫室氣體排放清澈裡面跟農業部這邊有關的糧食系統的一個碳排放的一個部分只有記錄了畜牧業、作物生產兩個部分對於其他的部分都沒有記錄,是這樣子嗎?我想畜牧的部分最主要是甲烷的部分,它佔的農業...來,你沒有回答,我要問的狀態是漁業有沒有包含進來?\n因為現在目前好像沒有嘛 對不對整個生產過程當中加工包裝運輸都沒有包含進來所以本席對於這個部分覺得農業部對於整個碳盤差是不夠的只做一半半套的一個狀態所以本席希望農業部對於碳盤差的狀態能夠更\n稍微簡單的說明我們現在的碳盤查整個碳的這些排放的話還是根據國際的IPC的相關的規範在做那整個碳盤查也是從生產端到消費端的部分所以它本身會看到它的能\n我們農業的供應端就沒有啊中間的加工包裝運送都沒有包含在這裡頭啊還是我們這個溫室氣體的這個資料不完整因為溫室氣體有兩部分一部分是綠色鎖條帳另外一個我們在碳的足跡追動的話從生產到加工到運輸都會把它放進去這個部分我們正在進行OK你們之後再到本辦公室做進一步的說明好不好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:11.091\n委員請做詢答,謝謝主席好,我想請一下代理部長好,我們再請陳部長\n\n00:19.695 --> 00:31.700\n陳代理部長好我首先想問一下這是我第一次在經濟委員會的一個這樣的質詢那我想說首先先問一個有關於那個外產動物要點相關的問題\n\n00:33.161 --> 00:49.407\n我看農業部這邊的資料目前台灣農業常態缺工大概有1.2萬人那季節性臨時缺工有20.1萬人那目前的時候我們要補這樣子的一個勞動力不足的情況的時候\n\n00:50.667 --> 01:18.612\n透過移工這邊來做一個補充那我們目前整個開放名額在整個自聘的部分有9000人那外展農務的部分有3000人那合併出來的狀態就是在整個自聘的部分不到5000那麼外展農務的部分2600人那實際的狀態又更低實際的狀態又更低所以我們整個看起來的情況就是說整個在農業這個部分能力不足的情況其實是非常明顯的\n\n01:19.292 --> 01:19.952\n本席想要問的一個情況是說因為目前整個那個\n\n01:39.040 --> 01:53.554\n我看到那個移民署最新的一個數字到2月20號的一個統計數字就是我們目前失聯移工有85,947人那可能有相當大的一個量可能都在農業相關的一個\n\n02:12.069 --> 02:23.137\n農民團體、漁民團體、一些協會就是一些非營利組織可是問題是他們我剛給看的數字說事實上我們整個外展農務這邊開放出來的名額跟實際\n\n02:26.364 --> 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