{"id":149258,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149258","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad9f873b941d2dddc5124167ae9e10374df0e2384efaf28bf8ba9b0039caa7a6c9ffc3ff12dce56a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"蘇巧慧","委員發言時間":"11:32:17 - 11:47:13","影片長度":"00:14:56","會議時間":"2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請海洋委員會主任委員、大陸委員會主任委員、國防部及海軍司令部參謀長就「金門撞船案:翻船執法過程及後續處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":2,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-11-1-15-2"},"date":"2024-03-04","duration":896,"end_time":"2024-03-04T11:47:13+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-04T11:32:17+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":909,"blocks":[["蘇委員巧慧：（11時32分）謝謝主席，主席，我想要請海巡署周署長。"],["主席：好，有請周署長，謝謝。"],["周副主任委員美伍：委員好。"],["蘇委員巧慧：署長好。署長，今天在聽了這麼多委員的發言以及最近的新聞報導之後，我想第一個請您備詢的問題、回答的問題其實是海巡署和各位海巡弟兄在我們海疆裡面的最大職責是什麼？"],["周副主任委員美伍：就是要捍衛我們的國土、捍衛我們的海疆、捍衛我們漁民的合法權益。"],["蘇委員巧慧：是，所以從……"],["周副主任委員美伍：我們今天這個行動是取締非法、保障合法。"],["蘇委員巧慧：沒有錯。"],["周副主任委員美伍：因為從初三開始，金門地區的漁民就跟我們報案，說這個地區不斷地有大陸的船隻進入，來做非法的捕魚，或者其他走私，或者什麼的行為……"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以從初三開始……"],["周副主任委員美伍：要我們去注意這個水域，所以在這個水域的時候，我們已經預置了這個船隻……"],["蘇委員巧慧：是啊！"],["周副主任委員美伍：剛剛我們主委一直在強調，CP-1051這一艘船，它已經在海上，位置是在北邊，今天北碇是在稍微南邊、東邊一點，剛剛委員所問的，這整個是一個連續動作，我們的雷達、雷情一發現有陸籍的快艇要進入到我們的禁限制水域，這個時候我們戰情的值日人員就會通知CP-1051海上的執勤……"],["蘇委員巧慧：已經在海上了？"],["周副主任委員美伍：已經在海上了。"],["蘇委員巧慧：已經在海上了？"],["周副主任委員美伍：對，所以它沒有辦法……"],["蘇委員巧慧：因為初三就接到大量的金門漁民、我國漁民的通報……"],["周副主任委員美伍：2月份……"],["蘇委員巧慧：有中國的不明船艦過來，所以你們整天都在海上巡戒，保衛我們的海疆？"],["周副主任委員美伍：是。"],["蘇委員巧慧：而在事發當天的時候，是巡邏船已經在海上的時候接到通報……"],["周副主任委員美伍：已經在海上。"],["蘇委員巧慧：直接趕到事發地點？"],["周副主任委員美伍：是。"],["蘇委員巧慧：整個故事是這樣子？"],["周副主任委員美伍：對，這個下令是由勤指中心下達給CP-1051跟海巡隊……"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以不是在海上接到通報後重新穿戴好然後整裝出發？"],["周副主任委員美伍：不是、不是。"],["蘇委員巧慧：而是已經在海上不停地在巡查當中……"],["周副主任委員美伍：已經在海上執勤。"],["蘇委員巧慧：趕往事發地點……"],["周副主任委員美伍：不是……"],["蘇委員巧慧：趕往被通報地點，但還沒有事發。"],["周副主任委員美伍：它已經在北邊的位置，跟委員說明。"],["蘇委員巧慧：好，所以是一個正在巡視海疆，每天不分晝夜巡視海疆的狀況下接到通報，去到有不明船艦的地點，對不對？"],["周副主任委員美伍：沒錯。"],["蘇委員巧慧：好，然後接下來發生了什麼事情？"],["周副主任委員美伍：然後……"],["蘇委員巧慧：因為你剛剛有回答說這整個事故發生，我們不用碰撞、也不用撞船、也不用其他任何，我們說它是一個事件、一個事故。請問署長，當天發生事故的主因，你剛剛說有3點，你可不可以再簡短陳述一次？"],["周副主任委員美伍：好，一個就是它……"],["蘇委員巧慧：沒有人願意看到這個不幸嘛！"],["周副主任委員美伍：高速大轉彎……"],["蘇委員巧慧：這個高速大轉彎的主體是誰？你現在在描述的是我方的船艦還是大陸的船舶？"],["周副主任委員美伍：高速大轉彎就是大陸的違法快艇。"],["蘇委員巧慧：就是那個三無船舶嘛！"],["周副主任委員美伍：對，它就是一個平底的快艇，按照艦船操縱的特性，像這種高速大轉彎，它那天是右轉，因為我們看後來的事證，它是在右滿舵，所以這樣子的船舶，依這種快艇的操船特性，它一定就是會右傾。"],["蘇委員巧慧：對。"],["周副主任委員美伍：另外，第二個我講配重……"],["蘇委員巧慧：它為什麼要高速行駛啊？"],["周副主任委員美伍：它在逃避我們的追查啊！我們在……"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以看起來，那天的狀態是兩艘船艦，我們的船艦聽到了通報之後，追逐過去後看到了這一艘三無船舶？"],["周副主任委員美伍：是。"],["蘇委員巧慧：然後呢？"],["周副主任委員美伍：然後……"],["蘇委員巧慧：然後開始進行追逐？"],["周副主任委員美伍：我們要開始，我們先廣播，音響信號，我們一定是標準的程序，我們一定會先廣播，請它離開這個水域，如果我們要登檢……"],["蘇委員巧慧：先警告了嘛！"],["周副主任委員美伍：我們會先警告，而且會廣播請它減速，我們必須要登檢。"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以這個也做了？"],["周副主任委員美伍：這些都做完了。"],["蘇委員巧慧：都做完了以後呢？"],["周副主任委員美伍：在這個同時，我把情況稍微示意一下，這個代表我方的艦艇，這個是他們……"],["蘇委員巧慧：藍色是我們的，紅色是他們的。"],["周副主任委員美伍：它這樣過來的時候，我們的艦艇接到報案之後、接到我們的指揮之後，它下來，這個船就往這個地方，看到我們下來之後它就下來……"],["蘇委員巧慧：準備逃走？"],["周副主任委員美伍：它下來之後，又往外要……在這個過程當中都是高速的，它看到我們的時候就開始高速，它在2分鐘之內，速度從0加到40節。"],["蘇委員巧慧：你現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎？"],["周副主任委員美伍：我跟委員報告，其實這個我們不能講，但是今天因為剛剛有很多委員都提到我們有沒有雷達的航跡跟影像？一般人都知道，我們怎麼可能沒有雷達的航跡跟影像？"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以剛剛的這一段……"],["周副主任委員美伍：這些資料全部都交給檢調了，它到底是不是陸方所講的，它是停在那邊被我們高速過來撞擊？這個船我們吊起來看之後，360度，各位看，它除了左舷船簷的六分之一處有一個破縫、一個明顯的撞擊點以外，其他整個船身……"],["蘇委員巧慧：好。"],["周副主任委員美伍：整個船身是FRP的，而且沒有一點的破洞，也沒有大凹洞，連凹的地方都沒有，如果照它講的，我們以40節高速這樣子垂直撞到它，它是FRP的……"],["蘇委員巧慧：早就應該碎掉啦！FRP……"],["周副主任委員美伍：它已經碎掉了……"],["蘇委員巧慧：它應該是碎掉的狀態。"],["周副主任委員美伍：它怎麼還會這麼完整？"],["蘇委員巧慧：主委，按照你剛剛這樣講……"],["周副主任委員美伍：這個是我講的配重不良，它這兩個，一般漁船，請問會開到40節嗎？一般漁船最多10節，十幾節、20節可能都很困難，它可以開到四十幾節，是因為它用了這種配重不對的400匹大的推進器兩個，很重。各位請看，在這個船的前面，在這一張……"],["蘇委員巧慧：主委……"],["周副主任委員美伍：它的右側還有一個起網機，起網機也是一個很重的東西，它違法到我們的水域裡面，把佈的網再提起來，就是它佈網在那邊捕魚，這個起網機也正好在右舷，它那天跟我們追逐到最後，我們在驅離準備登檢的時候，登檢是一定要迫近，這是實情，你不迫近怎麼登檢？"],["蘇委員巧慧：是啊！"],["周副主任委員美伍：在這個登檢的過程當中，雙方都是高速，在這樣子的高速過程當中，請問委員，你認為會不會有擦撞？你認為會不會有互相之間的這種？為什麼在這個影片上面，我們希望能夠證明我們平常的登檢就是這樣，這是實情，我們從來沒有隱瞞實情。我跟委員報告，從事發到現在，我們一直遵照檢調的指示，我們不可以對外透露所有的案情。"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以你現在……"],["周副主任委員美伍：另外，我還要強調一點，所有的雷達是可以看到這個目標，不管是我們的還是中共的快艇，航向、航速是非常清楚的，雷達是可以看出航向、航速、它的位置在什麼地方，它是不是在我們禁限制的水域，還是我們胡亂謅一個故事告訴你們……"],["蘇委員巧慧：主委，我剛剛……"],["周副主任委員美伍：這些都是用雷達的這些航跡可以表示出來，但是這個我們都不應該講，這個要留給檢調去搜索。"],["蘇委員巧慧：副主委，我從8點到現在，我知道你很委屈，也為我們的海巡弟兄委屈，因為整段故事就是我國的海巡弟兄在保疆衛土的狀況下，因為在海上接到通報要去進行驅離，但發現它是一艘「三無船舶」之後，警告它之後，因為它想要逃逸，所以發生狀況，最後有了不幸的結果，但我們現在已經接受調查，所有的資料你都已經提供給檢調，對不對？是不是這樣的狀況？你也希望國人能夠理解嘛！其實整個狀況就是這樣。"],["周副主任委員美伍：是。"],["蘇委員巧慧：何況你歸納的經驗是，第一、這艘大陸籍的「三無船舶」高速行駛；第二、它在逃避追逐的時候向右急轉；第三、坦白講，你們也調查過，你也認為船長經驗不足，這是翻覆的三大主因。"],["周副主任委員美伍：我跟委員報告，因為這個調查不是只有調查我方4個船員，各位，記住，還有2位大陸籍的生還者。"],["蘇委員巧慧：是，所以他們都已經做過……"],["周副主任委員美伍：所有的調查，他們所有講的話，我們全程都有錄音錄影。"],["蘇委員巧慧：全程錄音錄影嘛！在我國是全程錄音錄影，可是去到中國以後他們翻口供了，為什麼他們會翻口供？這段不曉得有沒有全程錄音錄影？怎麼沒有人問這個部分？我也好想要看看。"],["周副主任委員美伍：委員，我們不能講，因為這些資料我們都已經交給檢調來公正的調查。"],["蘇委員巧慧：好啦！是啦！所以你剛剛只是陳述你有無資料，你並沒有描述這些資料，因為你還是不能夠透露嘛！因為偵查不公開。"],["周副主任委員美伍：對，不能夠透露。"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以你無法在這裡提供這些資料，但是你在備詢臺上公開的說：「我是有資料的」，對不對？"],["周副主任委員美伍：我們當然有。"],["蘇委員巧慧：好，副主委，我想要請問，基於這樣的事實，為什麼你認為今天的報告、因為我剛剛聽管主委說，其實這個報告名稱要更改是海巡署建議的。"],["周副主任委員美伍：沒錯。"],["蘇委員巧慧：為什麼你們要提出這樣的建議？這個跟你們現在的談判有沒有重要的關係？如果有的話，你們當然要能夠表示意見？剩下30秒。"],["周副主任委員美伍：好，委員，因為主委對這件事情的態度一直以來都是很保護海巡署，但是我們認為這只是單一的執法事件，這件事情我們每天都在做，現在可能我們的船就在海上做這樣的事情，我們每天都這樣子做……"],["蘇委員巧慧：但是我想知道這個名稱……"],["周副主任委員美伍：我們是取締非法。"],["蘇委員巧慧：是，我瞭解，我從開宗明義就瞭解，現在只剩下15秒，我現在想要知道的是這個名稱對於談判有沒有影響？"],["周副主任委員美伍：當然。"],["蘇委員巧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00:00:05,153\n謝謝主席主席我想要請我們海巡署周署長好有請周署長謝謝委員好署長好署長我想第一個今天在聽了這麼多委員的發言以及最近的新聞報導之後我想第一個請您備詢的問題其實回答的問題其實是海巡署和各位海巡弟兄在我們的海疆裡面他的最大的職責是什麼\n\n2\n00:00:29,778 --> 00:00:53,692\n我們就是要捍衛我們的國土捍衛我們的海疆捍衛我們漁民的合法權益我們今天這個行動是取締非法保障合法從初三開始金門地區的漁民就開始跟我們報案說這個地區有不斷的有大陸的船隻進入來做非法的捕魚或者其他走私或者什麼的行為\n\n3\n00:00:54,412 --> 00:01:11,332\n要我們去注意這個水域所以我們在這個水域的時候我們已經預置了這個船隻剛剛我們主委一直在強調CP1051這艘船它已經在海上它位置是在北邊那今天這個北定它是在稍微南邊在東邊一點\n\n4\n00:01:15,215 --> 00:01:27,459\n當我們的雷達剛剛委員所問的這個整個是一個連續動作我們的雷達雷情一發現有陸級的快艇要進入到我們的境線之水域這個時候我們的\n\n5\n00:01:28,399 --> 00:01:28,439\n蘇巧慧\n\n6\n00:02:00,580 --> 00:02:27,697\n所以不是在海上接到通報以後我重新穿戴好以後然後整裝出發我是已經在海上在巡查當中趕往事發地點趕往被通報地點來那時候還會事發所以是一個正在巡視海疆每天每天不分重業巡視海疆的狀況下接到通報去到有不明船艦的地點\n\n7\n00:02:28,297 --> 00:02:31,759\n請問署長你可不可以把當天發生事故的主因你可不可以再簡短陳述一次我想一個就是\n\n8\n00:02:53,288 --> 00:02:55,710\n高速大轉彎就是這個大陸的違法的快艇按照艦船操縱的特性像這種高速\n\n9\n00:03:13,171 --> 00:03:32,623\n大轉彎他那天是右轉因為我們看後來的施政他是在右滿舵對這樣子的船舶這種快艇的超船特性他一定就是會右傾對那麼另外第二個我講配重那他為什麼要高速行駛啊他在逃避我們的追查所以看起來所以那天的狀態是兩艘船艦我們的船艦聽到了通報以後追逐過去以後看到了這一艘三無船舶\n\n10\n00:03:39,547 --> 00:03:41,028\n蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧\n\n11\n00:04:00,655 --> 00:04:22,413\n所以這個也做了?這些都做完了?在這個同時我把這個稍微示意一下這個代表我方的艦艇藍色是我們的紅色是他們的過來的時候我們的艦艇接到報案之後接到我們的指揮之後它下來這個船就往這個地方看到我們下來之後它就下來逃走準備逃走又往外\n\n12\n00:04:23,453 --> 00:04:47,282\n在這個過程當中都是高速的是他看到我們的時候他就開始高速他在兩分鐘之內的速度從零加到這一段你現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎我跟委員報告其實這個我們不能講但是今天因為剛剛有很多委員都提到你們有沒有雷達的航跡跟影像\n\n13\n00:04:48,062 --> 00:05:12,581\n對,如果稍微,我們一般人都知道我們怎麼可能沒有雷達的航跡跟影像這些資料全部都交給檢調了它到底是不是陸方所講的,它是停在那邊對我們高速過來撞擊那這個船我們吊起來看的時候360度,各位看它除了左旋這個船沿的地方的六分之一處有一個\n\n14\n00:05:13,757 --> 00:05:33,202\n破縫一個明顯的撞擊的點以外其他整個船身是FRP的而且沒有一點的破洞也沒有大凹洞連凹的地方都沒有那如果是他講我們40節的高速這樣子垂直撞到他\n\n15\n00:05:34,215 --> 00:05:35,556\n一般漁船請問會開到40節嗎一般漁船最多10節\n\n16\n00:05:51,523 --> 00:05:51,683\n各位請看\n\n17\n00:06:05,305 --> 00:06:25,016\n在這個船的前面在這一張各位看它在它的右側還有一個起網機這個起網機也是一個很重的東西是它要來違法到我們的水域裡面把這個布的網再起起來就是它布的網它在裡面捕魚\n\n18\n00:06:25,936 --> 00:06:47,052\n那這個騎網機也正好在右旋那他那天跟我們追逐到最後我們在距離準備登檢的時候登檢是一定要破鏡嗎這是實情你不破鏡你怎麼登檢在這個登檢的過程當中雙方都是高速這樣子的高速過程當中請問委員你認為會不會有差創你認為會不會有這種互相之間的這種\n\n19\n00:06:51,736 --> 00:07:12,404\n所以我們為什麼我們在這個影片上面我們希望能夠證明我們平常的登檢就是這樣的這是實情我們從來沒有隱瞞實情我跟委員報告我們從事發到現在我們一直遵照檢調的指示我們不可以對外透露所有的案情所以你現在我還要強調一點所有的雷達\n\n20\n00:07:15,467 --> 00:07:32,246\n是可以看到這個目標這兩個不管是我們的還是中共的這個快艇航向、航速是非常清楚的這雷達是可以看出你航向、航速它的位置在什麼地方它是不是在我們進限制的水域還是\n\n21\n00:07:33,379 --> 00:07:57,806\n我們胡亂揪一個故事告訴你們這些都用雷達的這些行事表示出來但是這個我們都不應該講這個要留給檢調去說我知道你很委屈啦也為我們的海巡弟兄委屈因為整段的故事就是一個我國的海巡弟兄在保江衛土的狀況下進行在海上接到通報要去驅逐\n\n22\n00:07:59,827 --> 00:08:14,539\n而發現他是一艘三無船舶之後警告之後他想要逃逸所發生的狀況最後有不幸的結果但我們現在接受調查所有的資料你都已經提供給檢調對不對是一個這樣的狀況也希望國人能夠理解嘛其實你整個的狀況是這樣何況你歸納的經驗其實是\n\n23\n00:08:22,566 --> 00:08:42,282\n第一,這艘大陸的珊瑚船舶高速行駛,第二,它在逃避追逐的時候向右急轉,第三,坦白講你們現在調查過,你也認為船長經驗不足,這是三大干部的責任吧?我跟委員報告,因為這個調查不是只有我方的四個長者,還有兩位生還者各位,還要記住還有兩位大陸生還者\n\n24\n00:08:43,643 --> 00:09:01,076\n蘇巧慧她說有講的話,我們全程錄音錄影,在委員會的時候是全程錄音錄影,可是去到中國以後他們分口供了啊,那她為什麼分口供,最多不曉得有沒有全程錄音錄影,怎麼沒有人問這個部分啊,我也好想要看看啊。\n\n25\n00:09:04,178 --> 00:09:04,218\n蘇巧慧\n\n26\n00:09:24,895 --> 00:09:25,275\n主委對這件事的態度一直就是\n\n27\n00:09:53,849 --> 00:10:01,135\n我們每天都在做現在可能我們的船就在海上做這樣子的事情\n\n28\n00:10:02,129 --> 00:10:02,489\n發言委員．蘇巧慧\n\n29\n00:10:27,654 --> 00:10:53,817\n你們國內都這樣講是碰撞或者是什麼撞船或者是這些他說你們自己都這樣講那你怎麼能怪我們說這是你們撞船因為這個撞船的這個動力跟這個我們平常兩個我剛剛特別解釋就在你們海巡專案裡面這有特別的用法嗎沒有什麼特殊的用法但是你說撞船的話那個感覺就是現在陸防的說法\n\n30\n00:10:54,637 --> 00:11:21,414\n所以現在中國在談判的過程中就是用你們撞船這樣子的名詞嗎是用撞船兩個字在把責任扣到你身上你的意思是這樣嗎所以你沒有辦法接受我不能透露我們這個溝通的過程但是你拒絕接受這個名詞當然當然所以這就是一個態度我可以這樣理解嗎可以你無法透露但你沒有辦法接受在這裡報告這個名詞我要請委員聚焦我們現在是取第三無傳博\n\n31\n00:11:22,756 --> 00:11:36,070\n因為我們剛剛有其他委員很認真的還查自己的請你給我20秒我再做個解釋這個山湖船舶不是只有我們在查起我剛剛有特別跟另外一位委員諮詢的時候講我們光是去年112年\n\n32\n00:11:37,592 --> 00:11:59,746\n中方要求我方跟他協同執法就有49次那個概念就是說我每個月跟中方他的海事單位或者是海巡單位或者是海洋事務的單位他會要求我們海巡跟他一起合作在各自的水域當中去查其這種違法的走私的\n\n33\n00:12:00,106 --> 00:12:02,968\n邀請海洋委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n\n34\n00:12:23,203 --> 00:12:43,391\n大陸跟我們之間共同來維持這段水域正當漁民的一個捕魚的一個合法的權益另外我們是要保障這些合法的權益我們要防止那些濫捕濫啃這些他們經常跑到我們的水道放下一些漁網\n\n35\n00:12:44,531 --> 00:12:46,993\n那個不光是影響我們漁民的權益,也影響航行安全。\n\n36\n00:13:05,587 --> 00:13:19,664\n資料是一件一件拿出來所以責任不在我方的我們金魚我們是執行我們應有的權利保障合法取締非法該讓的我們是可以慰福表達善意\n\n37\n00:13:20,585 --> 00:13:20,625\n蘇巧慧議員\n\n38\n00:13:41,189 --> 00:13:41,549\n蘇巧慧議員\n\n39\n00:14:03,245 --> 00:14:28,373\n所以我要跟委員稍微真正抱歉不用跟我抱歉我們就是認定我覺得你今天今天你如果有誠意的話你今天的專案報告也應該要如曹慧委員所講的詢問的我們似乎好像是從媒體或者是委員的答詢當中你們才一點一點一點的透出來現在很清楚是說你們是有行軌跡圖的\n\n40\n00:14:30,294 --> 00:14:41,940\n所以你們只是交給了檢調但是你們一直對外是說沒有所以現在對於釐清真相的是有的對不對巧慧所以呢謝謝巧慧剛剛的質詢我們一點一點才知道抽絲剝繭也謝謝署長的回應謝謝好謝謝巧慧委員繼續我們請張宏祿委員來質詢謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t5153\t謝謝主席主席我想要請我們海巡署周署長好 有請周署長 謝謝委員好署長好 署長我想第一個今天在聽了這麼多委員的發言以及最近的新聞報導之後我想第一個請您備詢的問題其實回答的問題其實是海巡署和各位海巡弟兄在我們的海疆裡面他的最大的職責是什麼\n29778\t53692\t我們就是要捍衛我們的國土捍衛我們的海疆捍衛我們漁民的合法權益我們今天這個行動是取締非法保障合法從初三開始金門地區的漁民就開始跟我們報案說這個地區有不斷的有大陸的船隻進入來做非法的捕魚或者其他走私或者什麼的行為\n54412\t71332\t要我們去注意這個水域所以我們在這個水域的時候我們已經預置了這個船隻剛剛我們主委一直在強調CP1051這艘船它已經在海上它位置是在北邊那今天這個北定它是在稍微南邊在東邊一點\n75215\t87459\t當我們的雷達剛剛委員所問的這個整個是一個連續動作我們的雷達雷情一發現有陸級的快艇要進入到我們的境線之水域這個時候我們的\n88399\t88439\t蘇巧慧\n120580\t147697\t所以不是在海上接到通報以後我重新穿戴好以後然後整裝出發我是已經在海上在巡查當中趕往事發地點趕往被通報地點來那時候還會事發所以是一個正在巡視海疆每天每天不分重業巡視海疆的狀況下接到通報去到有不明船艦的地點\n148297\t151759\t請問署長你可不可以把當天發生事故的主因你可不可以再簡短陳述一次我想一個就是\n173288\t175710\t高速大轉彎就是這個大陸的違法的快艇按照艦船操縱的特性像這種高速\n193171\t212623\t大轉彎他那天是右轉因為我們看後來的施政他是在右滿舵對這樣子的船舶這種快艇的超船特性他一定就是會右傾對那麼另外第二個我講配重那他為什麼要高速行駛啊他在逃避我們的追查所以看起來所以那天的狀態是兩艘船艦我們的船艦聽到了通報以後追逐過去以後看到了這一艘三無船舶\n219547\t221028\t蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧\n240655\t262413\t所以這個也做了?這些都做完了?在這個同時我把這個稍微示意一下這個代表我方的艦艇藍色是我們的紅色是他們的過來的時候我們的艦艇接到報案之後接到我們的指揮之後它下來這個船就往這個地方看到我們下來之後它就下來逃走準備逃走又往外\n263453\t287282\t在這個過程當中都是高速的是他看到我們的時候他就開始高速他在兩分鐘之內的速度從零加到這一段你現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎我跟委員報告其實這個我們不能講但是今天因為剛剛有很多委員都提到你們有沒有雷達的航跡跟影像\n288062\t312581\t對,如果稍微,我們一般人都知道我們怎麼可能沒有雷達的航跡跟影像這些資料全部都交給檢調了它到底是不是陸方所講的,它是停在那邊對我們高速過來撞擊那這個船我們吊起來看的時候360度,各位看它除了左旋這個船沿的地方的六分之一處有一個\n313757\t333202\t破縫一個明顯的撞擊的點以外其他整個船身是FRP的而且沒有一點的破洞也沒有大凹洞連凹的地方都沒有那如果是他講我們40節的高速這樣子垂直撞到他\n334215\t335556\t一般漁船請問會開到40節嗎一般漁船最多10節\n351523\t351683\t各位請看\n365305\t385016\t在這個船的前面在這一張各位看它在它的右側還有一個起網機這個起網機也是一個很重的東西是它要來違法到我們的水域裡面把這個布的網再起起來就是它布的網它在裡面捕魚\n385936\t407052\t那這個騎網機也正好在右旋那他那天跟我們追逐到最後我們在距離準備登檢的時候登檢是一定要破鏡嗎這是實情你不破鏡你怎麼登檢在這個登檢的過程當中雙方都是高速這樣子的高速過程當中請問委員你認為會不會有差創你認為會不會有這種互相之間的這種\n411736\t432404\t所以我們為什麼我們在這個影片上面我們希望能夠證明我們平常的登檢就是這樣的這是實情我們從來沒有隱瞞實情我跟委員報告我們從事發到現在我們一直遵照檢調的指示我們不可以對外透露所有的案情所以你現在我還要強調一點所有的雷達\n435467\t452246\t是可以看到這個目標這兩個不管是我們的還是中共的這個快艇航向、航速是非常清楚的這雷達是可以看出你航向、航速它的位置在什麼地方它是不是在我們進限制的水域還是\n453379\t477806\t我們胡亂揪一個故事告訴你們這些都用雷達的這些行事表示出來但是這個我們都不應該講這個要留給檢調去說我知道你很委屈啦也為我們的海巡弟兄委屈因為整段的故事就是一個我國的海巡弟兄在保江衛土的狀況下進行在海上接到通報要去驅逐\n479827\t494539\t而發現他是一艘三無船舶之後警告之後他想要逃逸所發生的狀況最後有不幸的結果但我們現在接受調查所有的資料你都已經提供給檢調對不對是一個這樣的狀況也希望國人能夠理解嘛其實你整個的狀況是這樣何況你歸納的經驗其實是\n502566\t522282\t第一,這艘大陸的珊瑚船舶高速行駛,第二,它在逃避追逐的時候向右急轉,第三,坦白講你們現在調查過,你也認為船長經驗不足,這是三大干部的責任吧?我跟委員報告,因為這個調查不是只有我方的四個長者,還有兩位生還者各位,還要記住還有兩位大陸生還者\n523643\t541076\t蘇巧慧 她說有講的話,我們全程錄音錄影,在委員會的時候是全程錄音錄影,可是去到中國以後他們分口供了啊,那她為什麼分口供,最多不曉得有沒有全程錄音錄影,怎麼沒有人問這個部分啊,我也好想要看看啊。\n544178\t544218\t蘇巧慧\n564895\t565275\t主委對這件事的態度一直就是\n593849\t601135\t我們每天都在做現在可能我們的船就在海上做這樣子的事情\n602129\t602489\t發言委員．蘇巧慧\n627654\t653817\t你們國內都這樣講是碰撞或者是什麼撞船或者是這些他說你們自己都這樣講那你怎麼能怪我們說這是你們撞船因為這個撞船的這個動力跟這個我們平常兩個我剛剛特別解釋就在你們海巡專案裡面這有特別的用法嗎沒有什麼特殊的用法但是你說撞船的話那個感覺就是現在陸防的說法\n654637\t681414\t所以現在中國在談判的過程中就是用你們撞船這樣子的名詞嗎是用撞船兩個字在把責任扣到你身上你的意思是這樣嗎所以你沒有辦法接受我不能透露我們這個溝通的過程但是你拒絕接受這個名詞當然當然所以這就是一個態度我可以這樣理解嗎可以你無法透露但你沒有辦法接受在這裡報告這個名詞我要請委員聚焦我們現在是取第三無傳博\n682756\t696070\t因為我們剛剛有其他委員很認真的還查自己的請你給我20秒我再做個解釋這個山湖船舶不是只有我們在查起我剛剛有特別跟另外一位委員諮詢的時候講我們光是去年112年\n697592\t719746\t中方要求我方跟他協同執法就有49次那個概念就是說我每個月跟中方他的海事單位或者是海巡單位或者是海洋事務的單位他會要求我們海巡跟他一起合作在各自的水域當中去查其這種違法的走私的\n720106\t722968\t邀請海洋委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n743203\t763391\t大陸跟我們之間共同來維持這段水域正當漁民的一個捕魚的一個合法的權益另外我們是要保障這些合法的權益我們要防止那些濫捕濫啃這些他們經常跑到我們的水道放下一些漁網\n764531\t766993\t那個不光是影響我們漁民的權益,也影響航行安全。\n785587\t799664\t資料是一件一件拿出來所以責任不在我方的我們金魚我們是執行我們應有的權利保障合法取締非法該讓的我們是可以慰福表達善意\n800585\t800625\t蘇巧慧議員\n821189\t821549\t蘇巧慧議員\n843245\t868373\t所以我要跟委員稍微真正抱歉不用跟我抱歉我們就是認定我覺得你今天今天你如果有誠意的話你今天的專案報告也應該要如曹慧委員所講的詢問的我們似乎好像是從媒體或者是委員的答詢當中你們才一點一點一點的透出來現在很清楚是說你們是有行軌跡圖的\n870294\t881940\t所以你們只是交給了檢調但是你們一直對外是說沒有所以現在對於釐清真相的是有的對不對巧慧所以呢謝謝巧慧剛剛的質詢我們一點一點才知道抽絲剝繭也謝謝署長的回應謝謝好謝謝巧慧委員繼續我們請張宏祿委員來質詢謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席主席我想要請我們海巡署周署長好 有請周署長 謝謝委員好署長好 署長我想第一個今天在聽了這麼多委員的發言以及最近的新聞報導之後我想第一個請您備詢的問題其實回答的問題其實是海巡署和各位海巡弟兄在我們的海疆裡面他的最大的職責是什麼\n我們就是要捍衛我們的國土捍衛我們的海疆捍衛我們漁民的合法權益我們今天這個行動是取締非法保障合法從初三開始金門地區的漁民就開始跟我們報案說這個地區有不斷的有大陸的船隻進入來做非法的捕魚或者其他走私或者什麼的行為\n要我們去注意這個水域所以我們在這個水域的時候我們已經預置了這個船隻剛剛我們主委一直在強調CP1051這艘船它已經在海上它位置是在北邊那今天這個北定它是在稍微南邊在東邊一點\n當我們的雷達剛剛委員所問的這個整個是一個連續動作我們的雷達雷情一發現有陸級的快艇要進入到我們的境線之水域這個時候我們的\n蘇巧慧\n所以不是在海上接到通報以後我重新穿戴好以後然後整裝出發我是已經在海上在巡查當中趕往事發地點趕往被通報地點來那時候還會事發所以是一個正在巡視海疆每天每天不分重業巡視海疆的狀況下接到通報去到有不明船艦的地點\n請問署長你可不可以把當天發生事故的主因你可不可以再簡短陳述一次我想一個就是\n高速大轉彎就是這個大陸的違法的快艇按照艦船操縱的特性像這種高速\n大轉彎他那天是右轉因為我們看後來的施政他是在右滿舵對這樣子的船舶這種快艇的超船特性他一定就是會右傾對那麼另外第二個我講配重那他為什麼要高速行駛啊他在逃避我們的追查所以看起來所以那天的狀態是兩艘船艦我們的船艦聽到了通報以後追逐過去以後看到了這一艘三無船舶\n蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧\n所以這個也做了?這些都做完了?在這個同時我把這個稍微示意一下這個代表我方的艦艇藍色是我們的紅色是他們的過來的時候我們的艦艇接到報案之後接到我們的指揮之後它下來這個船就往這個地方看到我們下來之後它就下來逃走準備逃走又往外\n在這個過程當中都是高速的是他看到我們的時候他就開始高速他在兩分鐘之內的速度從零加到這一段你現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎我跟委員報告其實這個我們不能講但是今天因為剛剛有很多委員都提到你們有沒有雷達的航跡跟影像\n對,如果稍微,我們一般人都知道我們怎麼可能沒有雷達的航跡跟影像這些資料全部都交給檢調了它到底是不是陸方所講的,它是停在那邊對我們高速過來撞擊那這個船我們吊起來看的時候360度,各位看它除了左旋這個船沿的地方的六分之一處有一個\n破縫一個明顯的撞擊的點以外其他整個船身是FRP的而且沒有一點的破洞也沒有大凹洞連凹的地方都沒有那如果是他講我們40節的高速這樣子垂直撞到他\n一般漁船請問會開到40節嗎一般漁船最多10節\n各位請看\n在這個船的前面在這一張各位看它在它的右側還有一個起網機這個起網機也是一個很重的東西是它要來違法到我們的水域裡面把這個布的網再起起來就是它布的網它在裡面捕魚\n那這個騎網機也正好在右旋那他那天跟我們追逐到最後我們在距離準備登檢的時候登檢是一定要破鏡嗎這是實情你不破鏡你怎麼登檢在這個登檢的過程當中雙方都是高速這樣子的高速過程當中請問委員你認為會不會有差創你認為會不會有這種互相之間的這種\n所以我們為什麼我們在這個影片上面我們希望能夠證明我們平常的登檢就是這樣的這是實情我們從來沒有隱瞞實情我跟委員報告我們從事發到現在我們一直遵照檢調的指示我們不可以對外透露所有的案情所以你現在我還要強調一點所有的雷達\n是可以看到這個目標這兩個不管是我們的還是中共的這個快艇航向、航速是非常清楚的這雷達是可以看出你航向、航速它的位置在什麼地方它是不是在我們進限制的水域還是\n我們胡亂揪一個故事告訴你們這些都用雷達的這些行事表示出來但是這個我們都不應該講這個要留給檢調去說我知道你很委屈啦也為我們的海巡弟兄委屈因為整段的故事就是一個我國的海巡弟兄在保江衛土的狀況下進行在海上接到通報要去驅逐\n而發現他是一艘三無船舶之後警告之後他想要逃逸所發生的狀況最後有不幸的結果但我們現在接受調查所有的資料你都已經提供給檢調對不對是一個這樣的狀況也希望國人能夠理解嘛其實你整個的狀況是這樣何況你歸納的經驗其實是\n第一,這艘大陸的珊瑚船舶高速行駛,第二,它在逃避追逐的時候向右急轉,第三,坦白講你們現在調查過,你也認為船長經驗不足,這是三大干部的責任吧?我跟委員報告,因為這個調查不是只有我方的四個長者,還有兩位生還者各位,還要記住還有兩位大陸生還者\n蘇巧慧 她說有講的話,我們全程錄音錄影,在委員會的時候是全程錄音錄影,可是去到中國以後他們分口供了啊,那她為什麼分口供,最多不曉得有沒有全程錄音錄影,怎麼沒有人問這個部分啊,我也好想要看看啊。\n蘇巧慧\n主委對這件事的態度一直就是\n我們每天都在做現在可能我們的船就在海上做這樣子的事情\n發言委員．蘇巧慧\n你們國內都這樣講是碰撞或者是什麼撞船或者是這些他說你們自己都這樣講那你怎麼能怪我們說這是你們撞船因為這個撞船的這個動力跟這個我們平常兩個我剛剛特別解釋就在你們海巡專案裡面這有特別的用法嗎沒有什麼特殊的用法但是你說撞船的話那個感覺就是現在陸防的說法\n所以現在中國在談判的過程中就是用你們撞船這樣子的名詞嗎是用撞船兩個字在把責任扣到你身上你的意思是這樣嗎所以你沒有辦法接受我不能透露我們這個溝通的過程但是你拒絕接受這個名詞當然當然所以這就是一個態度我可以這樣理解嗎可以你無法透露但你沒有辦法接受在這裡報告這個名詞我要請委員聚焦我們現在是取第三無傳博\n因為我們剛剛有其他委員很認真的還查自己的請你給我20秒我再做個解釋這個山湖船舶不是只有我們在查起我剛剛有特別跟另外一位委員諮詢的時候講我們光是去年112年\n中方要求我方跟他協同執法就有49次那個概念就是說我每個月跟中方他的海事單位或者是海巡單位或者是海洋事務的單位他會要求我們海巡跟他一起合作在各自的水域當中去查其這種違法的走私的\n邀請海洋委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n大陸跟我們之間共同來維持這段水域正當漁民的一個捕魚的一個合法的權益另外我們是要保障這些合法的權益我們要防止那些濫捕濫啃這些他們經常跑到我們的水道放下一些漁網\n那個不光是影響我們漁民的權益,也影響航行安全。\n資料是一件一件拿出來所以責任不在我方的我們金魚我們是執行我們應有的權利保障合法取締非法該讓的我們是可以慰福表達善意\n蘇巧慧議員\n蘇巧慧議員\n所以我要跟委員稍微真正抱歉不用跟我抱歉我們就是認定我覺得你今天今天你如果有誠意的話你今天的專案報告也應該要如曹慧委員所講的詢問的我們似乎好像是從媒體或者是委員的答詢當中你們才一點一點一點的透出來現在很清楚是說你們是有行軌跡圖的\n所以你們只是交給了檢調但是你們一直對外是說沒有所以現在對於釐清真相的是有的對不對巧慧所以呢謝謝巧慧剛剛的質詢我們一點一點才知道抽絲剝繭也謝謝署長的回應謝謝好謝謝巧慧委員繼續我們請張宏祿委員來質詢謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:05.153\n謝謝主席主席我想要請我們海巡署周署長好有請周署長謝謝委員好署長好署長我想第一個今天在聽了這麼多委員的發言以及最近的新聞報導之後我想第一個請您備詢的問題其實回答的問題其實是海巡署和各位海巡弟兄在我們的海疆裡面他的最大的職責是什麼\n\n00:29.778 --> 00:53.692\n我們就是要捍衛我們的國土捍衛我們的海疆捍衛我們漁民的合法權益我們今天這個行動是取締非法保障合法從初三開始金門地區的漁民就開始跟我們報案說這個地區有不斷的有大陸的船隻進入來做非法的捕魚或者其他走私或者什麼的行為\n\n00:54.412 --> 01:11.332\n要我們去注意這個水域所以我們在這個水域的時候我們已經預置了這個船隻剛剛我們主委一直在強調CP1051這艘船它已經在海上它位置是在北邊那今天這個北定它是在稍微南邊在東邊一點\n\n01:15.215 --> 01:27.459\n當我們的雷達剛剛委員所問的這個整個是一個連續動作我們的雷達雷情一發現有陸級的快艇要進入到我們的境線之水域這個時候我們的\n\n01:28.399 --> 01:28.439\n蘇巧慧\n\n02:00.580 --> 02:27.697\n所以不是在海上接到通報以後我重新穿戴好以後然後整裝出發我是已經在海上在巡查當中趕往事發地點趕往被通報地點來那時候還會事發所以是一個正在巡視海疆每天每天不分重業巡視海疆的狀況下接到通報去到有不明船艦的地點\n\n02:28.297 --> 02:31.759\n請問署長你可不可以把當天發生事故的主因你可不可以再簡短陳述一次我想一個就是\n\n02:53.288 --> 02:55.710\n高速大轉彎就是這個大陸的違法的快艇按照艦船操縱的特性像這種高速\n\n03:13.171 --> 03:32.623\n大轉彎他那天是右轉因為我們看後來的施政他是在右滿舵對這樣子的船舶這種快艇的超船特性他一定就是會右傾對那麼另外第二個我講配重那他為什麼要高速行駛啊他在逃避我們的追查所以看起來所以那天的狀態是兩艘船艦我們的船艦聽到了通報以後追逐過去以後看到了這一艘三無船舶\n\n03:39.547 --> 03:41.028\n蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧\n\n04:00.655 --> 04:22.413\n所以這個也做了?這些都做完了?在這個同時我把這個稍微示意一下這個代表我方的艦艇藍色是我們的紅色是他們的過來的時候我們的艦艇接到報案之後接到我們的指揮之後它下來這個船就往這個地方看到我們下來之後它就下來逃走準備逃走又往外\n\n04:23.453 --> 04:47.282\n在這個過程當中都是高速的是他看到我們的時候他就開始高速他在兩分鐘之內的速度從零加到這一段你現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎現在描述的這一段是有影像的嗎我跟委員報告其實這個我們不能講但是今天因為剛剛有很多委員都提到你們有沒有雷達的航跡跟影像\n\n04:48.062 --> 05:12.581\n對,如果稍微,我們一般人都知道我們怎麼可能沒有雷達的航跡跟影像這些資料全部都交給檢調了它到底是不是陸方所講的,它是停在那邊對我們高速過來撞擊那這個船我們吊起來看的時候360度,各位看它除了左旋這個船沿的地方的六分之一處有一個\n\n05:13.757 --> 05:33.202\n破縫一個明顯的撞擊的點以外其他整個船身是FRP的而且沒有一點的破洞也沒有大凹洞連凹的地方都沒有那如果是他講我們40節的高速這樣子垂直撞到他\n\n05:34.215 --> 05:35.556\n一般漁船請問會開到40節嗎一般漁船最多10節\n\n05:51.523 --> 05:51.683\n各位請看\n\n06:05.305 --> 06:25.016\n在這個船的前面在這一張各位看它在它的右側還有一個起網機這個起網機也是一個很重的東西是它要來違法到我們的水域裡面把這個布的網再起起來就是它布的網它在裡面捕魚\n\n06:25.936 --> 06:47.052\n那這個騎網機也正好在右旋那他那天跟我們追逐到最後我們在距離準備登檢的時候登檢是一定要破鏡嗎這是實情你不破鏡你怎麼登檢在這個登檢的過程當中雙方都是高速這樣子的高速過程當中請問委員你認為會不會有差創你認為會不會有這種互相之間的這種\n\n06:51.736 --> 07:12.404\n所以我們為什麼我們在這個影片上面我們希望能夠證明我們平常的登檢就是這樣的這是實情我們從來沒有隱瞞實情我跟委員報告我們從事發到現在我們一直遵照檢調的指示我們不可以對外透露所有的案情所以你現在我還要強調一點所有的雷達\n\n07:15.467 --> 07:32.246\n是可以看到這個目標這兩個不管是我們的還是中共的這個快艇航向、航速是非常清楚的這雷達是可以看出你航向、航速它的位置在什麼地方它是不是在我們進限制的水域還是\n\n07:33.379 --> 07:57.806\n我們胡亂揪一個故事告訴你們這些都用雷達的這些行事表示出來但是這個我們都不應該講這個要留給檢調去說我知道你很委屈啦也為我們的海巡弟兄委屈因為整段的故事就是一個我國的海巡弟兄在保江衛土的狀況下進行在海上接到通報要去驅逐\n\n07:59.827 --> 08:14.539\n而發現他是一艘三無船舶之後警告之後他想要逃逸所發生的狀況最後有不幸的結果但我們現在接受調查所有的資料你都已經提供給檢調對不對是一個這樣的狀況也希望國人能夠理解嘛其實你整個的狀況是這樣何況你歸納的經驗其實是\n\n08:22.566 --> 08:42.282\n第一,這艘大陸的珊瑚船舶高速行駛,第二,它在逃避追逐的時候向右急轉,第三,坦白講你們現在調查過,你也認為船長經驗不足,這是三大干部的責任吧?我跟委員報告,因為這個調查不是只有我方的四個長者,還有兩位生還者各位,還要記住還有兩位大陸生還者\n\n08:43.643 --> 09:01.076\n蘇巧慧她說有講的話,我們全程錄音錄影,在委員會的時候是全程錄音錄影,可是去到中國以後他們分口供了啊,那她為什麼分口供,最多不曉得有沒有全程錄音錄影,怎麼沒有人問這個部分啊,我也好想要看看啊。\n\n09:04.178 --> 09:04.218\n蘇巧慧\n\n09:24.895 --> 09:25.275\n主委對這件事的態度一直就是\n\n09:53.849 --> 10:01.135\n我們每天都在做現在可能我們的船就在海上做這樣子的事情\n\n10:02.129 --> 10:02.489\n發言委員．蘇巧慧\n\n10:27.654 --> 10:53.817\n你們國內都這樣講是碰撞或者是什麼撞船或者是這些他說你們自己都這樣講那你怎麼能怪我們說這是你們撞船因為這個撞船的這個動力跟這個我們平常兩個我剛剛特別解釋就在你們海巡專案裡面這有特別的用法嗎沒有什麼特殊的用法但是你說撞船的話那個感覺就是現在陸防的說法\n\n10:54.637 --> 11:21.414\n所以現在中國在談判的過程中就是用你們撞船這樣子的名詞嗎是用撞船兩個字在把責任扣到你身上你的意思是這樣嗎所以你沒有辦法接受我不能透露我們這個溝通的過程但是你拒絕接受這個名詞當然當然所以這就是一個態度我可以這樣理解嗎可以你無法透露但你沒有辦法接受在這裡報告這個名詞我要請委員聚焦我們現在是取第三無傳博\n\n11:22.756 --> 11:36.070\n因為我們剛剛有其他委員很認真的還查自己的請你給我20秒我再做個解釋這個山湖船舶不是只有我們在查起我剛剛有特別跟另外一位委員諮詢的時候講我們光是去年112年\n\n11:37.592 --> 11:59.746\n中方要求我方跟他協同執法就有49次那個概念就是說我每個月跟中方他的海事單位或者是海巡單位或者是海洋事務的單位他會要求我們海巡跟他一起合作在各自的水域當中去查其這種違法的走私的\n\n12:00.106 --> 12:02.968\n邀請海洋委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n\n12:23.203 --> 12:43.391\n大陸跟我們之間共同來維持這段水域正當漁民的一個捕魚的一個合法的權益另外我們是要保障這些合法的權益我們要防止那些濫捕濫啃這些他們經常跑到我們的水道放下一些漁網\n\n12:44.531 --> 12:46.993\n那個不光是影響我們漁民的權益,也影響航行安全。\n\n13:05.587 --> 13:19.664\n資料是一件一件拿出來所以責任不在我方的我們金魚我們是執行我們應有的權利保障合法取締非法該讓的我們是可以慰福表達善意\n\n13:20.585 --> 13:20.625\n蘇巧慧議員\n\n13:41.189 --> 13:41.549\n蘇巧慧議員\n\n14:03.245 --> 14:28.373\n所以我要跟委員稍微真正抱歉不用跟我抱歉我們就是認定我覺得你今天今天你如果有誠意的話你今天的專案報告也應該要如曹慧委員所講的詢問的我們似乎好像是從媒體或者是委員的答詢當中你們才一點一點一點的透出來現在很清楚是說你們是有行軌跡圖的\n\n14:30.294 --> 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