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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:10,453 --> 00:00:11,994\n謝謝主席那我們有請潘部長謝謝\n\n2\n00:00:16,460 --> 00:00:39,445\n委員好部長好就是說兒少的身心發展是我過去在民間就一直非常關注的那其實在去年12月25號因為一個國中生他攜帶了彈簧刀然後到了學校造成了不幸的憾事發生那也引發了各界的關注所以我想要請教就是說因為教育部其實有在做這個校安諮詢的會議也邀請了非常多的專家學者一起來討論\n\n3\n00:00:40,985 --> 00:01:06,874\n那其中我最關注的一個問題也就是因為我過去也是國小的家長會會長那其實現場的教師最擔心的一個東西是說觸法少年的回歸校園的一個中介教育機制因為這些少年雖然誤觸法王但是他們不能是他完成了保護管束或者是管化教育或是服刑期滿他如何從少關所或是教政學校回到學校裡這一塊都需要一點適應的時間\n\n4\n00:01:25,232 --> 00:01:43,248\n之前部長曾經說會盤點資源來去看看跟民團合作設置這個中階教育基地來協助這些處罰的少年可以漸進式的回歸這個校園然後來確保我們的校園安全所以我想要詢問部長就是中階教育基地大概什麼時候會開始啟動\n\n5\n00:01:45,352 --> 00:02:07,106\n謝謝委員關心這個議題那也因為一些校園校安的問題那教育部在去年年底開始有全面性的對於有關輔導管教注意事項邀集縣市還有我們相關的教育團體然後裡面也很多是第一線的教育工作同仁包含校長\n\n6\n00:02:08,327 --> 00:02:08,467\n﹚張雅琳\n\n7\n00:02:27,618 --> 00:02:29,501\n委員會議由林萬一政委持續進行。\n\n8\n00:02:43,542 --> 00:02:47,484\n因為這一次我們對於這一方面的一方面教育部積極的盤點未來可以來支援縣市跟學校可以來共同參與的這個當時跟我們衛福單位來瞭解還有相關的基金會像葉俊維他本身常寫這個我們大概盤了大概有88個這樣的團體那其中有一些目前初步接洽也都認為他們\n\n9\n00:03:10,396 --> 00:03:10,536\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n\n10\n00:03:33,010 --> 00:03:46,085\n因為這個基礎建制才有辦法讓我們因為建議司法院我們邵氏官他們在處理上有一個重要的機制他們在做調查還有要做裁決的這個過程一定要讓學校參與那參與之後就會有建議\n\n11\n00:03:51,411 --> 00:04:07,082\n部長,因為時間有限,那我們在下一頁,謝謝就是說因為我之前有要一些資料就是說我發現就是在新竹縣跟連江縣這兩個地方是還沒有這個中介教育基地那剛剛部長有提到就是3月底會開始啟動那我想問一下這兩個沒有的\n\n12\n00:04:07,662 --> 00:04:07,742\n該如何協助?\n\n13\n00:04:54,689 --> 00:05:21,373\n我想請再麻煩部長,因為其實我現在看到基隆或是嘉義市有些地方也只有1到2個那這些地方也希望部長可以再持續的去協調來去評估我們這個量能是不是能夠去足夠承接這些孩子再來下一個我想要請問有哪些孩子會回到中階教育基地剛剛好像有提到就是說由邵氏這邊來判定他是不是需要回到這個中階教育基地是嗎?\n\n14\n00:05:21,653 --> 00:05:42,439\n我跟委員報告齁因為這個曝險少年或我們說司法少年其實樣態蠻多啦有的說真話只是因為自身的一些行為比如說偷竊啦等等的但從事情發生行為人的個案裡面他其實是不會說去傷及影響到但如果像新北的這個個案\n\n15\n00:05:43,519 --> 00:05:43,539\n閱讀委員會議\n\n16\n00:05:59,468 --> 00:05:59,488\n﹝講正話﹞\n\n17\n00:06:21,121 --> 00:06:22,303\n道須會不會有一個評估機制來評估他什麼時候可以離開中介教育基地對嗎?這個一定會\n\n18\n00:06:38,804 --> 00:06:58,636\n下一頁想要再追問一下有關於特殊教育的部分因為剛剛其實都有一些委員有來問就是這個特教助理員的薪資的問題那剛剛部長就有兩個提有一題一直在講就是說你們會做到一個全國一致那這個全國一致的部分是什麼一致是薪資一致還是什麼一致我想要請部長再幫我多做一些說明\n\n19\n00:06:59,176 --> 00:07:18,200\n教育部原來特教學生助理員的這方面都是有各縣市在執行不管待遇等等的這方面確實縣市之間差異比較大這一次教育部研擬4年的這個計畫暴行人員核定支持這個計畫當中就是希望\n\n20\n00:07:20,521 --> 00:07:40,298\n未來有相當程度有1600位的專任的人員也增加部分服務的時數我想這些都是我們希望把它建置起來這個是過往比較不足的地方那往下就是那這些相關人員的待遇包含我們說他的一些服務等等的這方面我們會訂定要點\n\n21\n00:07:42,379 --> 00:08:07,686\n這個要點也希望跟縣市來交換一點,像委員所提到,你看縣市大意的很大這個一致當然也比較希望能夠以這個方式來縣市溝通因為中央當然也會增加更多的預算來協助縣市我用一個舉例啦,就過往中小學代理教師也是各行其事啦,有的聘10個月,有的10個半月,有的全年聘\n\n22\n00:08:08,606 --> 00:08:27,542\n這一方面我想在去年教育部跟縣市努力下也把它建立起來我用那個概念就是希望這個在各個地方都會很一致性的服務的樣態包含這些人員的待遇福利等等的這個一致我們比較朝這方向來努力部長請問一下這個一致的部分這些詳細的規劃大概什麼時候會出來呢\n\n23\n00:08:30,024 --> 00:08:55,874\n因為這個制度會在113學年度正式上路那預算目前都已經編列了我們比較希望轉成執行的要點這方面目前國教署已經跟縣市大概有召開兩次的會議那慢慢就是把縣市因為差異也要大家對起來所以上路的時間就是113學年度今年的8月\n\n24\n00:08:56,694 --> 00:09:00,315\n下一題是關於學生輔導人力的部分現在青少年、大學生、自家律師階級的上升\n\n25\n00:09:14,439 --> 00:09:39,793\n從國小國中跟大學他的這個自殺通報件數是達到了10倍那增長了10倍跟106年相比那自殺死亡通報件數國小國中跟大學也都是有成長了2到4倍不等那我想要詢問就是說因為之前教育部已經有規劃大專院校的人力的輔導人力是從1比1200到1比900那希望可以有更充足的一些輔導人力來接住我們的孩子\n\n26\n00:09:40,373 --> 00:09:58,282\n那我想要問一下就是目前的批用的輔導人力已經降到1比900了嗎?針對於大專院校的部分是跟我們報告因為這個部分在法還沒有完成最後通過班刑那教育部教育預算先行目前大概5成多到6成\n\n27\n00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:21,848\n是按照1比900那還有三四成應該四成多目前位置還沒有達到這個當然在法律還沒有通過之前我們還是積極因為這個是用我們更多的資源在協助學校所以這一方面我想一方面也希望這個法律我們能夠明定下來變成大家依法來行政那今年教育部多編了將近2億給大學的這個專輔人力的補充就是達到1比900\n\n28\n00:10:28,191 --> 00:10:44,821\n行政上我們還是繼續推啦那就是還有一個問題就是說因為其實這個是大學的部分那其實校園諮商師他們有提供一些意見就是說他們的薪資相對來說是比較低跟業界來比他比較低那再來就是說他還要處理很多的行政作業那我希望就是說未來我們是不是可以去考慮\n\n29\n00:10:45,942 --> 00:11:12,490\n對於這些心腹人力這些腹腦的心理智商師是不是可以有一些調整的空間那因為時間有限那希望就是說如果有一些做一些討論的話之後也可以提供一些相關的研究報告給我們到我們辦公室那再來就是說因為針對於中小學的部分因為其實這個人力也是在增加的齁那其實去年我過去的這個民團特工盟他們其實做了一個研究就是針對於北高的孩子他們去問他你的週末你有沒有時間去休息\n\n30\n00:11:14,030 --> 00:11:40,707\n他們請他寫日記就發現說這個日記裡面從平常到週末的時候他都沒有時間可以去休息為什麼其實就像剛剛那個移籍委員的這個案例一樣很多的家長還是會認為學習比較重要以至於他們就會說他下課他的週末可能都沒有辦法出去玩因為週末老師會出更難的功課更複雜的功課那或者是說他要去上安親版\n\n31\n00:11:41,287 --> 00:12:04,525\n所以他們當時也是有一個兒童遊戲宣言這待會想要交給這是孩子們自己做出來的一個版本所以待會希望可以交給部長那我想要詢問就是說其實這個裡面有一個很大的問題就是家長對於休憩的意識不足那是不是就有可能往幾個方向來發展第一個是說我們是在因為小孩都要留課後班因為家長都要上課的關係上班的關係\n\n32\n00:12:05,766 --> 00:12:22,786\n我們有沒有可能在課後班裡面去要求有一些遊戲的時間跟運動的時間增加他的運動時間對他的身心發展也是好的那第二個部分也就是說我們是不是可以在親師的會議裡面提供一些防毒我們都有防毒的宣導我們是不是可以有一些安全的宣導遊戲的宣導這樣子\n\n33\n00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:49,645\n接下來就是說我們可不可以提供一些像類似健康五蔬果這樣子的宣傳單張給家長幫助家長去理解這件事情的重要性那最後我就想要講這個兒童遊戲宣言他們其實第一條就講說我知道學習很重要但是請大人相信遊戲對我也一樣重要好那我希望我可以有一些時間讓大家請大家把時間還給我那我也希望說我可以有更多的\n\n34\n00:12:50,225 --> 00:12:53,566\n謝謝委員我想這樣的方向應該是教育部也一直在推啦我們一直在推上戶外教育為什麼就希望孩子走出課室家長也多一點機會也希望不只是課業\n\n35\n00:13:20,112 --> 00:13:20,132\n謝謝,謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10453\t11994\t謝謝主席那我們有請潘部長謝謝\n16460\t39445\t委員好部長好就是說兒少的身心發展是我過去在民間就一直非常關注的那其實在去年12月25號因為一個國中生他攜帶了彈簧刀然後到了學校造成了不幸的憾事發生那也引發了各界的關注所以我想要請教就是說因為教育部其實有在做這個校安諮詢的會議也邀請了非常多的專家學者一起來討論\n40985\t66874\t那其中我最關注的一個問題也就是因為我過去也是國小的家長會會長那其實現場的教師最擔心的一個東西是說觸法少年的回歸校園的一個中介教育機制因為這些少年雖然誤觸法王但是他們不能是他完成了保護管束或者是管化教育或是服刑期滿他如何從少關所或是教政學校回到學校裡這一塊都需要一點適應的時間\n68695\t84872\t⋯⋯⋯⋯\n85232\t103248\t之前部長曾經說會盤點資源來去看看跟民團合作設置這個中階教育基地來協助這些處罰的少年可以漸進式的回歸這個校園然後來確保我們的校園安全所以我想要詢問部長就是中階教育基地大概什麼時候會開始啟動\n105352\t127106\t謝謝委員關心這個議題那也因為一些校園校安的問題那教育部在去年年底開始有全面性的對於有關輔導管教注意事項邀集縣市還有我們相關的教育團體然後裡面也很多是第一線的教育工作同仁包含校長\n128327\t128467\t﹚張雅琳\n147618\t149501\t委員會議由林萬一政委持續進行。\n163542\t167484\t因為這一次我們對於這一方面的一方面教育部積極的盤點未來可以來支援縣市跟學校可以來共同參與的這個當時跟我們衛福單位來瞭解還有相關的基金會像葉俊維他本身常寫這個我們大概盤了大概有88個這樣的團體那其中有一些目前初步接洽也都認為他們\n190396\t190536\t﹚張雅琳﹚\n213010\t226085\t因為這個基礎建制才有辦法讓我們因為建議司法院我們邵氏官他們在處理上有一個重要的機制他們在做調查還有要做裁決的這個過程一定要讓學校參與那參與之後就會有建議\n231411\t247082\t部長,因為時間有限,那我們在下一頁,謝謝就是說因為我之前有要一些資料就是說我發現就是在新竹縣跟連江縣這兩個地方是還沒有這個中介教育基地那剛剛部長有提到就是3月底會開始啟動那我想問一下這兩個沒有的\n247662\t247742\t該如何協助?\n268677\t294309\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n294689\t321373\t我想請再麻煩部長,因為其實我現在看到基隆或是嘉義市有些地方也只有1到2個那這些地方也希望部長可以再持續的去協調來去評估我們這個量能是不是能夠去足夠承接這些孩子再來下一個我想要請問有哪些孩子會回到中階教育基地剛剛好像有提到就是說由邵氏這邊來判定他是不是需要回到這個中階教育基地是嗎?\n321653\t342439\t我跟委員報告齁因為這個曝險少年或我們說司法少年其實樣態蠻多啦有的說真話只是因為自身的一些行為比如說偷竊啦等等的但從事情發生行為人的個案裡面他其實是不會說去傷及影響到但如果像新北的這個個案\n343519\t343539\t閱讀委員會議\n359468\t359488\t﹝講正話﹞\n381121\t382303\t道須會不會有一個評估機制來評估他什麼時候可以離開中介教育基地對嗎?這個一定會\n398804\t418636\t下一頁想要再追問一下有關於特殊教育的部分因為剛剛其實都有一些委員有來問就是這個特教助理員的薪資的問題那剛剛部長就有兩個提有一題一直在講就是說你們會做到一個全國一致那這個全國一致的部分是什麼一致是薪資一致還是什麼一致我想要請部長再幫我多做一些說明\n419176\t438200\t教育部原來特教學生助理員的這方面都是有各縣市在執行不管待遇等等的這方面確實縣市之間差異比較大這一次教育部研擬4年的這個計畫暴行人員核定支持這個計畫當中就是希望\n440521\t460298\t未來有相當程度有1600位的專任的人員也增加部分服務的時數我想這些都是我們希望把它建置起來這個是過往比較不足的地方那往下就是那這些相關人員的待遇包含我們說他的一些服務等等的這方面我們會訂定要點\n462379\t487686\t這個要點也希望跟縣市來交換一點,像委員所提到,你看縣市大意的很大這個一致當然也比較希望能夠以這個方式來縣市溝通因為中央當然也會增加更多的預算來協助縣市我用一個舉例啦,就過往中小學代理教師也是各行其事啦,有的聘10個月,有的10個半月,有的全年聘\n488606\t507542\t這一方面我想在去年教育部跟縣市努力下也把它建立起來我用那個概念就是希望這個在各個地方都會很一致性的服務的樣態包含這些人員的待遇福利等等的這個一致我們比較朝這方向來努力部長請問一下這個一致的部分這些詳細的規劃大概什麼時候會出來呢\n510024\t535874\t因為這個制度會在113學年度正式上路那預算目前都已經編列了我們比較希望轉成執行的要點這方面目前國教署已經跟縣市大概有召開兩次的會議那慢慢就是把縣市因為差異也要大家對起來所以上路的時間就是113學年度今年的8月\n536694\t540315\t下一題是關於學生輔導人力的部分現在青少年、大學生、自家律師階級的上升\n554439\t579793\t從國小國中跟大學他的這個自殺通報件數是達到了10倍那增長了10倍跟106年相比那自殺死亡通報件數國小國中跟大學也都是有成長了2到4倍不等那我想要詢問就是說因為之前教育部已經有規劃大專院校的人力的輔導人力是從1比1200到1比900那希望可以有更充足的一些輔導人力來接住我們的孩子\n580373\t598282\t那我想要問一下就是目前的批用的輔導人力已經降到1比900了嗎?針對於大專院校的部分是 跟我們報告因為這個部分在法還沒有完成最後通過班刑那教育部教育預算先行目前大概5成多到6成\n599182\t621848\t是按照1比900那還有三四成應該四成多目前位置還沒有達到這個當然在法律還沒有通過之前我們還是積極因為這個是用我們更多的資源在協助學校所以這一方面我想一方面也希望這個法律我們能夠明定下來變成大家依法來行政那今年教育部多編了將近2億給大學的這個專輔人力的補充就是達到1比900\n628191\t644821\t行政上我們還是繼續推啦那就是還有一個問題就是說因為其實這個是大學的部分那其實校園諮商師他們有提供一些意見就是說他們的薪資相對來說是比較低跟業界來比他比較低那再來就是說他還要處理很多的行政作業那我希望就是說未來我們是不是可以去考慮\n645942\t672490\t對於這些心腹人力這些腹腦的心理智商師是不是可以有一些調整的空間那因為時間有限那希望就是說如果有一些做一些討論的話之後也可以提供一些相關的研究報告給我們到我們辦公室那再來就是說因為針對於中小學的部分因為其實這個人力也是在增加的齁那其實去年我過去的這個民團特工盟他們其實做了一個研究就是針對於北高的孩子他們去問他你的週末你有沒有時間去休息\n674030\t700707\t他們請他寫日記就發現說這個日記裡面從平常到週末的時候他都沒有時間可以去休息為什麼其實就像剛剛那個移籍委員的這個案例一樣很多的家長還是會認為學習比較重要以至於他們就會說他下課他的週末可能都沒有辦法出去玩因為週末老師會出更難的功課更複雜的功課那或者是說他要去上安親版\n701287\t724525\t所以他們當時也是有一個兒童遊戲宣言這待會想要交給這是孩子們自己做出來的一個版本所以待會希望可以交給部長那我想要詢問就是說其實這個裡面有一個很大的問題就是家長對於休憩的意識不足那是不是就有可能往幾個方向來發展第一個是說我們是在因為小孩都要留課後班因為家長都要上課的關係上班的關係\n725766\t742786\t我們有沒有可能在課後班裡面去要求有一些遊戲的時間跟運動的時間增加他的運動時間對他的身心發展也是好的那第二個部分也就是說我們是不是可以在親師的會議裡面提供一些防毒我們都有防毒的宣導我們是不是可以有一些安全的宣導遊戲的宣導這樣子\n745269\t769645\t接下來就是說我們可不可以提供一些像類似健康五蔬果這樣子的宣傳單張給家長幫助家長去理解這件事情的重要性那最後我就想要講這個兒童遊戲宣言他們其實第一條就講說我知道學習很重要但是請大人相信遊戲對我也一樣重要好那我希望我可以有一些時間讓大家請大家把時間還給我那我也希望說我可以有更多的\n770225\t773566\t謝謝委員 我想這樣的方向應該是教育部也一直在推啦我們一直在推上戶外教育為什麼就希望孩子走出課室家長也多一點機會也希望不只是課業\n800112\t800132\t謝謝,謝謝部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席那我們有請潘部長謝謝\n委員好部長好就是說兒少的身心發展是我過去在民間就一直非常關注的那其實在去年12月25號因為一個國中生他攜帶了彈簧刀然後到了學校造成了不幸的憾事發生那也引發了各界的關注所以我想要請教就是說因為教育部其實有在做這個校安諮詢的會議也邀請了非常多的專家學者一起來討論\n那其中我最關注的一個問題也就是因為我過去也是國小的家長會會長那其實現場的教師最擔心的一個東西是說觸法少年的回歸校園的一個中介教育機制因為這些少年雖然誤觸法王但是他們不能是他完成了保護管束或者是管化教育或是服刑期滿他如何從少關所或是教政學校回到學校裡這一塊都需要一點適應的時間\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n之前部長曾經說會盤點資源來去看看跟民團合作設置這個中階教育基地來協助這些處罰的少年可以漸進式的回歸這個校園然後來確保我們的校園安全所以我想要詢問部長就是中階教育基地大概什麼時候會開始啟動\n謝謝委員關心這個議題那也因為一些校園校安的問題那教育部在去年年底開始有全面性的對於有關輔導管教注意事項邀集縣市還有我們相關的教育團體然後裡面也很多是第一線的教育工作同仁包含校長\n﹚張雅琳\n委員會議由林萬一政委持續進行。\n因為這一次我們對於這一方面的一方面教育部積極的盤點未來可以來支援縣市跟學校可以來共同參與的這個當時跟我們衛福單位來瞭解還有相關的基金會像葉俊維他本身常寫這個我們大概盤了大概有88個這樣的團體那其中有一些目前初步接洽也都認為他們\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n因為這個基礎建制才有辦法讓我們因為建議司法院我們邵氏官他們在處理上有一個重要的機制他們在做調查還有要做裁決的這個過程一定要讓學校參與那參與之後就會有建議\n部長,因為時間有限,那我們在下一頁,謝謝就是說因為我之前有要一些資料就是說我發現就是在新竹縣跟連江縣這兩個地方是還沒有這個中介教育基地那剛剛部長有提到就是3月底會開始啟動那我想問一下這兩個沒有的\n該如何協助?\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n我想請再麻煩部長,因為其實我現在看到基隆或是嘉義市有些地方也只有1到2個那這些地方也希望部長可以再持續的去協調來去評估我們這個量能是不是能夠去足夠承接這些孩子再來下一個我想要請問有哪些孩子會回到中階教育基地剛剛好像有提到就是說由邵氏這邊來判定他是不是需要回到這個中階教育基地是嗎?\n我跟委員報告齁因為這個曝險少年或我們說司法少年其實樣態蠻多啦有的說真話只是因為自身的一些行為比如說偷竊啦等等的但從事情發生行為人的個案裡面他其實是不會說去傷及影響到但如果像新北的這個個案\n閱讀委員會議\n﹝講正話﹞\n道須會不會有一個評估機制來評估他什麼時候可以離開中介教育基地對嗎?這個一定會\n下一頁想要再追問一下有關於特殊教育的部分因為剛剛其實都有一些委員有來問就是這個特教助理員的薪資的問題那剛剛部長就有兩個提有一題一直在講就是說你們會做到一個全國一致那這個全國一致的部分是什麼一致是薪資一致還是什麼一致我想要請部長再幫我多做一些說明\n教育部原來特教學生助理員的這方面都是有各縣市在執行不管待遇等等的這方面確實縣市之間差異比較大這一次教育部研擬4年的這個計畫暴行人員核定支持這個計畫當中就是希望\n未來有相當程度有1600位的專任的人員也增加部分服務的時數我想這些都是我們希望把它建置起來這個是過往比較不足的地方那往下就是那這些相關人員的待遇包含我們說他的一些服務等等的這方面我們會訂定要點\n這個要點也希望跟縣市來交換一點,像委員所提到,你看縣市大意的很大這個一致當然也比較希望能夠以這個方式來縣市溝通因為中央當然也會增加更多的預算來協助縣市我用一個舉例啦,就過往中小學代理教師也是各行其事啦,有的聘10個月,有的10個半月,有的全年聘\n這一方面我想在去年教育部跟縣市努力下也把它建立起來我用那個概念就是希望這個在各個地方都會很一致性的服務的樣態包含這些人員的待遇福利等等的這個一致我們比較朝這方向來努力部長請問一下這個一致的部分這些詳細的規劃大概什麼時候會出來呢\n因為這個制度會在113學年度正式上路那預算目前都已經編列了我們比較希望轉成執行的要點這方面目前國教署已經跟縣市大概有召開兩次的會議那慢慢就是把縣市因為差異也要大家對起來所以上路的時間就是113學年度今年的8月\n下一題是關於學生輔導人力的部分現在青少年、大學生、自家律師階級的上升\n從國小國中跟大學他的這個自殺通報件數是達到了10倍那增長了10倍跟106年相比那自殺死亡通報件數國小國中跟大學也都是有成長了2到4倍不等那我想要詢問就是說因為之前教育部已經有規劃大專院校的人力的輔導人力是從1比1200到1比900那希望可以有更充足的一些輔導人力來接住我們的孩子\n那我想要問一下就是目前的批用的輔導人力已經降到1比900了嗎?針對於大專院校的部分是 跟我們報告因為這個部分在法還沒有完成最後通過班刑那教育部教育預算先行目前大概5成多到6成\n是按照1比900那還有三四成應該四成多目前位置還沒有達到這個當然在法律還沒有通過之前我們還是積極因為這個是用我們更多的資源在協助學校所以這一方面我想一方面也希望這個法律我們能夠明定下來變成大家依法來行政那今年教育部多編了將近2億給大學的這個專輔人力的補充就是達到1比900\n行政上我們還是繼續推啦那就是還有一個問題就是說因為其實這個是大學的部分那其實校園諮商師他們有提供一些意見就是說他們的薪資相對來說是比較低跟業界來比他比較低那再來就是說他還要處理很多的行政作業那我希望就是說未來我們是不是可以去考慮\n對於這些心腹人力這些腹腦的心理智商師是不是可以有一些調整的空間那因為時間有限那希望就是說如果有一些做一些討論的話之後也可以提供一些相關的研究報告給我們到我們辦公室那再來就是說因為針對於中小學的部分因為其實這個人力也是在增加的齁那其實去年我過去的這個民團特工盟他們其實做了一個研究就是針對於北高的孩子他們去問他你的週末你有沒有時間去休息\n他們請他寫日記就發現說這個日記裡面從平常到週末的時候他都沒有時間可以去休息為什麼其實就像剛剛那個移籍委員的這個案例一樣很多的家長還是會認為學習比較重要以至於他們就會說他下課他的週末可能都沒有辦法出去玩因為週末老師會出更難的功課更複雜的功課那或者是說他要去上安親版\n所以他們當時也是有一個兒童遊戲宣言這待會想要交給這是孩子們自己做出來的一個版本所以待會希望可以交給部長那我想要詢問就是說其實這個裡面有一個很大的問題就是家長對於休憩的意識不足那是不是就有可能往幾個方向來發展第一個是說我們是在因為小孩都要留課後班因為家長都要上課的關係上班的關係\n我們有沒有可能在課後班裡面去要求有一些遊戲的時間跟運動的時間增加他的運動時間對他的身心發展也是好的那第二個部分也就是說我們是不是可以在親師的會議裡面提供一些防毒我們都有防毒的宣導我們是不是可以有一些安全的宣導遊戲的宣導這樣子\n接下來就是說我們可不可以提供一些像類似健康五蔬果這樣子的宣傳單張給家長幫助家長去理解這件事情的重要性那最後我就想要講這個兒童遊戲宣言他們其實第一條就講說我知道學習很重要但是請大人相信遊戲對我也一樣重要好那我希望我可以有一些時間讓大家請大家把時間還給我那我也希望說我可以有更多的\n謝謝委員 我想這樣的方向應該是教育部也一直在推啦我們一直在推上戶外教育為什麼就希望孩子走出課室家長也多一點機會也希望不只是課業\n謝謝,謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.453 --> 00:11.994\n謝謝主席那我們有請潘部長謝謝\n\n00:16.460 --> 00:39.445\n委員好部長好就是說兒少的身心發展是我過去在民間就一直非常關注的那其實在去年12月25號因為一個國中生他攜帶了彈簧刀然後到了學校造成了不幸的憾事發生那也引發了各界的關注所以我想要請教就是說因為教育部其實有在做這個校安諮詢的會議也邀請了非常多的專家學者一起來討論\n\n00:40.985 --> 01:06.874\n那其中我最關注的一個問題也就是因為我過去也是國小的家長會會長那其實現場的教師最擔心的一個東西是說觸法少年的回歸校園的一個中介教育機制因為這些少年雖然誤觸法王但是他們不能是他完成了保護管束或者是管化教育或是服刑期滿他如何從少關所或是教政學校回到學校裡這一塊都需要一點適應的時間\n\n01:25.232 --> 01:43.248\n之前部長曾經說會盤點資源來去看看跟民團合作設置這個中階教育基地來協助這些處罰的少年可以漸進式的回歸這個校園然後來確保我們的校園安全所以我想要詢問部長就是中階教育基地大概什麼時候會開始啟動\n\n01:45.352 --> 02:07.106\n謝謝委員關心這個議題那也因為一些校園校安的問題那教育部在去年年底開始有全面性的對於有關輔導管教注意事項邀集縣市還有我們相關的教育團體然後裡面也很多是第一線的教育工作同仁包含校長\n\n02:08.327 --> 02:08.467\n﹚張雅琳\n\n02:27.618 --> 02:29.501\n委員會議由林萬一政委持續進行。\n\n02:43.542 --> 02:47.484\n因為這一次我們對於這一方面的一方面教育部積極的盤點未來可以來支援縣市跟學校可以來共同參與的這個當時跟我們衛福單位來瞭解還有相關的基金會像葉俊維他本身常寫這個我們大概盤了大概有88個這樣的團體那其中有一些目前初步接洽也都認為他們\n\n03:10.396 --> 03:10.536\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n\n03:33.010 --> 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跟我們報告因為這個部分在法還沒有完成最後通過班刑那教育部教育預算先行目前大概5成多到6成"},{"start":599.182,"end":621.848,"text":"是按照1比900那還有三四成應該四成多目前位置還沒有達到這個當然在法律還沒有通過之前我們還是積極因為這個是用我們更多的資源在協助學校所以這一方面我想一方面也希望這個法律我們能夠明定下來變成大家依法來行政那今年教育部多編了將近2億給大學的這個專輔人力的補充就是達到1比900"},{"start":628.191,"end":644.821,"text":"行政上我們還是繼續推啦那就是還有一個問題就是說因為其實這個是大學的部分那其實校園諮商師他們有提供一些意見就是說他們的薪資相對來說是比較低跟業界來比他比較低那再來就是說他還要處理很多的行政作業那我希望就是說未來我們是不是可以去考慮"},{"start":645.942,"end":672.49,"text":"對於這些心腹人力這些腹腦的心理智商師是不是可以有一些調整的空間那因為時間有限那希望就是說如果有一些做一些討論的話之後也可以提供一些相關的研究報告給我們到我們辦公室那再來就是說因為針對於中小學的部分因為其實這個人力也是在增加的齁那其實去年我過去的這個民團特工盟他們其實做了一個研究就是針對於北高的孩子他們去問他你的週末你有沒有時間去休息"},{"start":674.03,"end":700.707,"text":"他們請他寫日記就發現說這個日記裡面從平常到週末的時候他都沒有時間可以去休息為什麼其實就像剛剛那個移籍委員的這個案例一樣很多的家長還是會認為學習比較重要以至於他們就會說他下課他的週末可能都沒有辦法出去玩因為週末老師會出更難的功課更複雜的功課那或者是說他要去上安親版"},{"start":701.287,"end":724.525,"text":"所以他們當時也是有一個兒童遊戲宣言這待會想要交給這是孩子們自己做出來的一個版本所以待會希望可以交給部長那我想要詢問就是說其實這個裡面有一個很大的問題就是家長對於休憩的意識不足那是不是就有可能往幾個方向來發展第一個是說我們是在因為小孩都要留課後班因為家長都要上課的關係上班的關係"},{"start":725.766,"end":742.786,"text":"我們有沒有可能在課後班裡面去要求有一些遊戲的時間跟運動的時間增加他的運動時間對他的身心發展也是好的那第二個部分也就是說我們是不是可以在親師的會議裡面提供一些防毒我們都有防毒的宣導我們是不是可以有一些安全的宣導遊戲的宣導這樣子"},{"start":745.269,"end":769.645,"text":"接下來就是說我們可不可以提供一些像類似健康五蔬果這樣子的宣傳單張給家長幫助家長去理解這件事情的重要性那最後我就想要講這個兒童遊戲宣言他們其實第一條就講說我知道學習很重要但是請大人相信遊戲對我也一樣重要好那我希望我可以有一些時間讓大家請大家把時間還給我那我也希望說我可以有更多的"},{"start":770.225,"end":773.566,"text":"謝謝委員 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