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因為在剛委員所說的這個辦法也要教育部會同園民會做人才上的這項面的更換這個差距是在增加的"},{"start":261.843,"end":264.505,"text":"我鄭重的建議是不是因為這個外加2%已經很久了從民國90幾年到現在了"},{"start":285.06,"end":286.141,"text":"市長 不是評估 盡量協調 想辦法協調這些大專業校嘛"},{"start":305.361,"end":329.654,"text":"想辦法增加協調,盡力的去協調外加專案條高外加百分之五,去落實這條條文嘛。您這個教育部會持續努力。我也希望能接受一個啦,因為我們都會去看入學狀態嘛,不然你名額雖然一直給多,但是學生編又寫那麼多,你那個沒有人知道意思嘛,那個意義就不大。"},{"start":330.094,"end":330.914,"text":"請教育部部長潘文忠列席"},{"start":356.833,"end":381.899,"text":"教授他特別提到給的建議完全沒有用超離譜這是他的臉書然後這裡面他也提到研製中心教育部應該多要多輔導所以這個部分因為時間的關係這個對研製中心本來又非常善意現在變得負面了這個部分我知道你們也去調過但是不夠"},{"start":385.04,"end":391.623,"text":"委員這個個案因為我有深入瞭解請團隊過去幫忙那人員上確實觀念那是最根本你一出發點就沒有這個概念所以才越幫越忙這個學校也接受會做調整你也提供這個後續的事"},{"start":413.814,"end":413.954,"text":"謝依鳳委員"}]}}}}