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00:01:25,035\n最主要的原因是因為北科大要地因為北科大說我的校地不夠我的校舍不夠所以這個案子本來他延宕非常多年就是因為北科大他要地\n\n5\n00:01:28,456 --> 00:01:48,011\n可是這中間後來一直到蘇院長蘇貞昌當院長的時候就讓改吳澤成當時當政務委員就協調說拍板定案不要再延宕可是沒想到鄭文燦一上來就再度的指示乾脆全部撤案讓北哥哥大強占地\n\n6\n00:01:49,656 --> 00:02:04,682\n我要讓部長知道這個事情北科大這樣的一個行為也就行政院這樣的行為造成附近包含附近的居民包含工會包含文資團體極為憤怒到現在他們已經到監察院已經去告了然後會繼續的去做抗爭好來下一頁讓部長看一下他這有點歪掉看一下那個棕色的線\n\n7\n00:02:16,767 --> 00:02:34,525\n就是這整塊基地面積他分大學一大學二他特別的是他不是只有校舍而已他要的地裡面還有一大塊他是屬於古蹟因為建國啤酒廠也很賊\n\n8\n00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,200\n在我們協調會的時候我也曾經問我們的教育部\n\n9\n00:02:59,238 --> 00:03:25,816\n我說那北科大有沒有跟你報告他要了校舍之後他一年要花多少錢來做維護古蹟沒有大家都知道這個經費非常龐大我說這好笑嘞一個學校應該是他是做大學結果你要花這麼多錢為了這塊地然後去做這個古蹟好你總要跟教育部報告吧\n\n10\n00:03:26,775 --> 00:03:54,750\n因為當時就是鄭文燦一個人拍板大家全部配合教育部會搞不清楚反正以後他還給國產署國產署要給你教育部教育部你再撥給北科大剩下來北科大到底花多少經費你們還不知道但是出錢的是你們我們再來看下一頁因為這涉及古蹟的維護的問題他是花錢的他不但有專業他也要花錢\n\n11\n00:03:56,158 --> 00:04:21,109\n但是過去北科大有一個記錄這為什麼使得工會也好或者是因為工會有員工對建國啤酒廠這些建物有感情讓文字團體非常擔心北科大當時也是在鄭文燦當桃園縣的時候把他的桃園農工撥給北科大所以他變成北科副工\n\n12\n00:04:22,660 --> 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