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00:02:22,975\n我們已經補足原資中心一名專任人力甚至在去年我們繼續關心之後又每達200人再增市一名可是我想要說的就是我們來看一下其實我們的原資中心的設置要點\n\n8\n00:02:24,415 --> 00:02:51,050\n我們可以看到除了那個第二點寫得蠻好的就是說要辦理學生的生活課業就業輔導生涯發展民族教育還有減緩原住民學生的休退學率提升原住民學生的學習成就您聽聽看第三點配合本部及原民會推動原住民教育事項配合區域原資中心各項推動事項其他相關事項我是覺得這個345就有點困擾了\n\n9\n00:02:53,832 --> 00:03:19,850\n因為很寬啊很寬啊那我們也常說也許這就是血汗助理的一個根源啊我想這個要點可以去注意一下那我其實比較想知道的那生活課業就業民族教育的輔導呢我想跟我們部長報告應該您也知道大家都在講因為很多的\n\n10\n00:03:20,868 --> 00:03:37,627\n大學院校並沒有按照剛才我們業報上講的由一級單位會診喔像東海大學他竟然是學務處下有個領培中心領培中心下又下學生資源中心\n\n11\n00:03:38,428 --> 00:03:44,471\n然後這個學生資源中心呢就變成他們的覆水組織嘿婦女會有客人來就去表演跳舞也就罷了但是老師都會說你們穿原住民族服很漂亮啊我們來拍月曆啊可以來那個之類的齁那個在學生的感受很不好而且會覺得自己呢好像變成是學校的表演單位這個我們以前都提過可是為什麼會發生會存在\n\n12\n00:04:08,341 --> 00:04:23,188\n那專任助理呢我們根據教育部給我的資料應該你們也知道但是我不知道後續的一個你們有沒有想到要怎麼改進因為竟然我們專任助理好不容易教育部那麼好欸50%以上超過一半未滿一年欸\n\n13\n00:04:30,066 --> 00:04:47,307\n也就是說不到一年大家都選擇走人所以這個問題一定是很大所以我覺得在這個部分薪資條件明明我們教育部給的一年人事費一個助理是45萬可是竟然有超過一成六他是拿不到三萬塊\n\n14\n00:04:48,806 --> 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婦女會有客人來就去表演跳舞也就罷了但是老師都會說你們穿原住民族服很漂亮啊我們來拍月曆啊可以來那個之類的齁那個在學生的感受很不好而且會覺得自己呢好像變成是學校的表演單位這個我們以前都提過可是為什麼會發生會存在\n那專任助理呢我們根據教育部給我的資料應該你們也知道但是我不知道後續的一個你們有沒有想到要怎麼改進因為竟然我們專任助理好不容易教育部那麼好欸50%以上超過一半未滿一年欸\n也就是說不到一年大家都選擇走人所以這個問題一定是很大所以我覺得在這個部分薪資條件明明我們教育部給的一年人事費一個助理是45萬可是竟然有超過一成六他是拿不到三萬塊\n所以我想這個部分我們都知道問題所在但是我們有沒有後續透過我們的評鑑方式去做修訂那這次東華大學的事件我自己也請我們東華大學來當然他們已經把這個原子中心拿掉了變成學務處下可是竟然他們學校沒有一個原住民級的老師欸\n一個都沒有欸竟然這樣子也能夠申請原資中心欸那我的意思是說申請原資中心很好因為現在普及率將近百分百九成以上很好因為我們確實需要原民學生大學來關心可是我們更希望的是這一些負責的主管他要有文化敏感度所以我在這邊就是特別就是還是要跟教育部這邊拜託一下我們的孩子我是希望\n我們國小國中高中我們有原教法第34條去規定原住民重點學校的原住民師資比例那大學是沒有但是我覺得原資中心原專班最起碼要去要求\n我稍微帶過可以嗎?\n一分鐘就好原專班也是我們很關心的那我現在這樣子講好了您應該知道一堆原專班正在關因為招不到學生但是呢為什麼因為他同樣的科系種類同時性太多\n我要講的是說是不是到了我們要討論我之前有講過我希望教育部跟原民會討論一下原住民自治法有一天一定會有他是需要有一個原住民自治人才的培育搖籃那就是原住民主大學\n那原住民族大學現在沒有但是我希望要規劃至少我們要培育原住民自治的人才要有哪些學系學門我們要有一個上位然後再去配合各大校應該這些大學院校要配合我們規劃這些學系學門來開設原專班而且原專班一定要設在大學的學門學系學院底下才有充足的師資能力那我先\n稍微這樣帶過那我是希望說教育部是不是也盡量不是盡量去聽一聽辦理公聽會也好收集多方意見希望也只能可以在兩個月內先提出一個期程規劃方案那到時候我們再來討論這樣可以嗎部長\n好委員就是這剛才委員關心的這兩個議題都是兩個月啦不是兩週啦喔兩個月兩個月對因為那個真的要兩個月先謝謝委員齁這個一直在提醒倡議如果我們從原民研製中心的當時少數的學校到現在全面設置以及專班的設置其實在概念政策上\n謝謝吳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.548 --> 00:04.702\n謝謝主席有請潘部長\n\n00:09.117 --> 00:32.463\n委員好部長好辛苦了部長我最近有接到一個陳情陳情的單位是東海大學的學生以及園資中心的專任助理我想你應該有聽說這個事件對這個案子我也接到也做了進一步的處理我是這樣子想因為過去以來\n\n00:34.104 --> 00:41.231\n應該是說從2012年我們頒布了一個大專校院設置員資中心的補助要點之後\n\n00:42.386 --> 01:10.497\n很多的委員應該都很關心原資中心的發展那之所以關心一定是接受到很多老師跟學生的陳情那我今天在夜報有特別看到在全民原教的推動有特別提到這樣一句話就是透過這個學生原資中心然後呢由學校一級單位整合資源來推動全民原教\n\n01:11.317 --> 01:30.611\n我覺得這句話講得很好那這個也是我們今天這個陳情案的問題所在那我要說的是其實我在110年4月的時候我曾經質詢過關於原資中心的人力問題當時呢教育部也很快在5月10號就給我一個報告\n\n01:33.593 --> 01:58.027\n那這個報告呢也獲得報導者的一個青睞所以呢他們就特別當時呢也有做了一個報導就是原民學生的第二個家那他們提到的其實是原資中心長期以來大家所詬病的第一就是助理的部分會變成血汗助理那另外呢在學校的定位也是有被邊緣化這樣的一個困擾那很感謝其實在109年\n\n02:02.369 --> 02:22.975\n我們已經補足原資中心一名專任人力甚至在去年我們繼續關心之後又每達200人再增市一名可是我想要說的就是我們來看一下其實我們的原資中心的設置要點\n\n02:24.415 --> 02:51.050\n我們可以看到除了那個第二點寫得蠻好的就是說要辦理學生的生活課業就業輔導生涯發展民族教育還有減緩原住民學生的休退學率提升原住民學生的學習成就您聽聽看第三點配合本部及原民會推動原住民教育事項配合區域原資中心各項推動事項其他相關事項我是覺得這個345就有點困擾了\n\n02:53.832 --> 03:19.850\n因為很寬啊很寬啊那我們也常說也許這就是血汗助理的一個根源啊我想這個要點可以去注意一下那我其實比較想知道的那生活課業就業民族教育的輔導呢我想跟我們部長報告應該您也知道大家都在講因為很多的\n\n03:20.868 --> 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