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00:01:09,096\n這是海巡依法行政執法我們絕對沒有過失在這個過程之中發生的這一個不幸的事件那麼我們本於大公無私我們把所有的資料都交給檢察官讓他們不偏不倚的來還原真相但是在這個過程之中海巡的執法、依法行政難免在登檢的過程當中會有一個持續的碰觸的過程\n\n4\n00:01:10,316 --> 00:01:10,737\n這是一艘三無船\n\n5\n00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,081\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n\n6\n00:02:00,035 --> 00:02:00,816\n既然是這樣金門距離歐盟的最近的地方\n\n7\n00:02:17,884 --> 00:02:18,465\n在來我國出日號的遊艇\n\n8\n00:02:36,322 --> 00:03:02,871\n被中國水警登船的臨檢這件事情意味著就是衝突升級了不然他們為什麼還要那麼敏感的時候特別來到我們的船上做臨檢想要請問海巡署的一旦類似的衝突再度發生海委會有何應對策略我們如何確保臺灣的移民的安全\n\n9\n00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:21,013\n跟委員報告我們跟廈門的距離雖然很近但是禁縣制水域是從1992年以來雙方執法一個很重要的一旬所以不是因為說兩邊很近一定就會不斷的發生類案\n\n10\n00:03:23,074 --> 00:03:47,768\n第二點這樣的一個執法的過程我們的執法其實我也三令五申我特別請艦隊分署要告訴我們的同仁落實所有的勤務我們也應該有精進的作為我們的執法一定要最優先是顧及自己跟他船的安全這個是我們執法所必須的而我們的海巡也都謹守這樣的一個執法應該要有的態度來執法\n\n11\n00:03:50,249 --> 00:04:16,134\n那這次發生意外是一個非常個別的單一的事件我們未來會盡一切的努力會盡一切的努力的精進作為來避免這樣的案件再度發生我們不會看到說這樣的事件要不斷的發生事實上也不是是但是我們遇到中國的海警的措施是什麼會去距離嗎還是說我們會主動開火嗎\n\n12\n00:04:21,584 --> 00:04:46,173\n委員絕對不可能是主動開火的這一切的SOP都一樣在沒有進入禁限制水域的時候我們有未進入禁限制水域時候我們的應處那麼如果是進入限制水域這個其實也是在非常緊張的時候才會發生的一種政治氛圍之下的作為\n\n13\n00:04:47,573 --> 00:05:11,273\n至於說海警船進入禁止水域目前為止即使是這一次也都還完全沒有那進入禁止水域不是海警船是其他的公務船舶所以其實兩岸我們都很希望能夠維持我們兩岸在海域上面我們既是有協同執法我們又是有救生救難上面的\n\n14\n00:05:11,633 --> 00:05:11,673\n麥玉珍\n\n15\n00:05:30,822 --> 00:05:33,985\n我們希望能夠趕快趕快讓這個事情不要再被綁在很多的政治的考量之中那個是沒有必要的\n\n16\n00:05:55,902 --> 00:05:56,663\n主席﹚麥玉珍\n\n17\n00:06:06,688 --> 00:06:20,035\n這件事情海委會還有陸委會知道嗎菲律賓的在海外的南海的衝突我認為就是我們遇到問題就是解決問題而且不是在喊口號在說明大陸就像我們家的隔壁鄰居的壞鄰居所以我們也要想辦法說如何去解決他不然最後\n\n18\n00:06:33,642 --> 00:06:42,349\n最可憐的還是我們的民眾。菲律賓他們也可以在最近半年跟美國展開的聯合軍事的演習。我們目前的衝突已經,情勢已經升級了。我們既然還要採那麼強硬的立場,我們有做好跟他們硬來的準備嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:58,381 --> 00:07:15,936\n報告委員,我們沒有採所謂強硬的立場,我們絕對是堅持執法的過程當中,我們是不勝高政治衝突的,這從來我們不挑釁不勝高政治衝突,從頭到尾,過去到現在到未來,都是我們唯一的態度,這一點邀請委員。\n\n20\n00:07:23,070 --> 00:07:46,716\n跟委員報告臺美的海巡彼此之間我們有合作的MOU但是合作的MOU的內容它分成很多的項目至於說我們有一些聯合的合作的項目因為本於外交上面的考量恐怕我們是不便在這裡做公開的說明跟報告\n\n21\n00:07:47,416 --> 00:07:57,223\n我相信就是臺灣的民眾不會在乎剛才大家就是很多的委員在問的就是說專報開的什麼名字我們全國的人民在乎的就是情勢升級會不會影響我們的生活還有甚至到說兩岸開戰因為有念過歷史的人都知道很多戰爭都是因為\n\n22\n00:08:20,739 --> 00:08:28,304\n這個才是我們台灣的人民的關心而不是就是有意義的就是鑽牛九尖一直在講一些的問題或者名稱\n\n23\n00:08:29,406 --> 00:08:42,272\n所以這也就是我們金門的民眾每次就是要兩岸衝突他們都是像海嘯一樣排第一名所以我們相信台灣沒有人包括這位就是希望這樣子的衝突\n\n24\n00:08:46,714 --> 00:09:12,590\n大家就是渴望和平就是穩定生活的環境因為在我就想問委員的重點就是說在行政部門如何平衡積極捍衛領土與海城的權利同時確保金門甚至我們所有台灣人民不必要的就是害怕就是打戰擔憂的恐慌\n\n25\n00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:35,739\n跟委員報告我們絕對是不挑釁然後不升高政治的衝突以這一次發生的事故來講我們第一時間就希望就是說能夠回歸到我們過去已經有的案例的處理這是一個個案的執法事件不要把它用來升高為政治跟政治之間做連結做連結的不是我方\n\n26\n00:09:37,159 --> 00:10:04,755\n所以說因為我看到就是說就是在講的都是這些問題所以我是希望就是說我們因為告訴的時間還有短暫的因素所以問的問題都是用陳述的我希望就是說未來本署就是可以就是將於就是精進還有就是加強的訓練所以關於就是精進加強的訓練的\n\n27\n00:10:06,116 --> 00:10:06,537\n我們的經營作為會給委員一個報告\n\n28\n00:10:29,082 --> 00:10:55,794\n還有就是說關於就是說溝通的機制因為請問我們這次的對於兩岸溝通的管道是什麼有哪一些官方單位參與這次的溝通我先跟委員報告其實兩岸本來30幾年來就有基本的溝通跟協商的機制只是對方要不要用而已\n\n29\n00:10:58,190 --> 00:11:20,895\n但是正是對方可能礙於政治上的一些框架或考量但是現實上涉及到人民權利義務的這個事項他們最後還是會或是說我們雙方都會找到一個適當的方式去那以過去這幾年來講大陸人民在台灣發生各種的意外事故的\n\n30\n00:11:21,995 --> 00:11:28,280\n不管有無過失或是甚麼等等的大概有9個案例已經協商處理過我們人力在大陸也有大概3個案件我想這個都是會由政府單位或是政府授權的單位就像您剛剛有提到的海基運\n\n31\n00:11:40,230 --> 00:12:01,549\n對,溝通管道我剛剛不是講了嗎?溝通管道一直都有,三十幾年來雙方簽了很多的協議,也有很多的溝通管道的機制。不是相反就是兩邊政治溝通的管道,就是通過單位,各個單位一起溝通。基本上政治的議題的溝通,縱使是朝野政...所以才會達成說已經半個月了,到現在還沒有溝通完整。\n\n32\n00:12:05,291 --> 00:12:16,136\n要分兩件事,你剛剛問的是第一個政治的溝通,基本上這件事情是沒有政治的問題,因為它就存在一個個案執法個案的問題過去發生過了很多的案例,其實都有一個協商機制希望有效的溝通\n\n33\n00:12:29,882 --> 00:12:32,764\n我們會盡盡一切的作為做最大的努力讓未來避免再度發生這些案件\n\n34\n00:12:57,403 --> 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絕對不可能是主動開火的這一切的SOP都一樣在沒有進入禁限制水域的時候我們有未進入禁限制水域時候我們的應處那麼如果是進入限制水域這個其實也是在非常緊張的時候才會發生的一種政治氛圍之下的作為\n287573\t311273\t至於說海警船進入禁止水域目前為止即使是這一次也都還完全沒有那進入禁止水域不是海警船是其他的公務船舶所以其實兩岸我們都很希望能夠維持我們兩岸在海域上面我們既是有協同執法我們又是有救生救難上面的\n311633\t311673\t麥玉珍\n330822\t333985\t我們希望能夠趕快趕快讓這個事情不要再被綁在很多的政治的考量之中那個是沒有必要的\n355902\t356663\t主席﹚麥玉珍\n366688\t380035\t這件事情海委會還有陸委會知道嗎菲律賓的在海外的南海的衝突我認為就是我們遇到問題就是解決問題而且不是在喊口號在說明大陸就像我們家的隔壁鄰居的壞鄰居所以我們也要想辦法說如何去解決他不然最後\n393642\t402349\t最可憐的還是我們的民眾。菲律賓他們也可以在最近半年跟美國展開的聯合軍事的演習。我們目前的衝突已經,情勢已經升級了。我們既然還要採那麼強硬的立場,我們有做好跟他們硬來的準備嗎?\n418381\t435936\t報告委員,我們沒有採所謂強硬的立場,我們絕對是堅持執法的過程當中,我們是不勝高政治衝突的,這從來我們不挑釁不勝高政治衝突,從頭到尾,過去到現在到未來,都是我們唯一的態度,這一點邀請委員。\n443070\t466716\t跟委員報告臺美的海巡彼此之間我們有合作的MOU但是合作的MOU的內容它分成很多的項目至於說我們有一些聯合的合作的項目因為本於外交上面的考量恐怕我們是不便在這裡做公開的說明跟報告\n467416\t477223\t我相信就是臺灣的民眾不會在乎剛才大家就是很多的委員在問的就是說專報開的什麼名字我們全國的人民在乎的就是情勢升級會不會影響我們的生活還有甚至到說兩岸開戰因為有念過歷史的人都知道很多戰爭都是因為\n500739\t508304\t這個才是我們台灣的人民的關心而不是就是有意義的就是鑽牛九尖一直在講一些的問題或者名稱\n509406\t522272\t所以這也就是我們金門的民眾每次就是要兩岸衝突他們都是像海嘯一樣排第一名所以我們相信台灣沒有人包括這位就是希望這樣子的衝突\n526714\t552590\t大家就是渴望和平就是穩定生活的環境因為在我就想問委員的重點就是說在行政部門如何平衡積極捍衛領土與海城的權利同時確保金門甚至我們所有台灣人民不必要的就是害怕就是打戰擔憂的恐慌\n554464\t575739\t跟委員報告我們絕對是不挑釁然後不升高政治的衝突以這一次發生的事故來講我們第一時間就希望就是說能夠回歸到我們過去已經有的案例的處理這是一個個案的執法事件不要把它用來升高為政治跟政治之間做連結做連結的不是我方\n577159\t604755\t所以說因為我看到就是說就是在講的都是這些問題所以我是希望就是說我們因為告訴的時間還有短暫的因素所以問的問題都是用陳述的我希望就是說未來本署就是可以就是將於就是精進還有就是加強的訓練所以關於就是精進加強的訓練的\n606116\t606537\t我們的經營作為會給委員一個報告\n629082\t655794\t還有就是說關於就是說溝通的機制因為請問我們這次的對於兩岸溝通的管道是什麼有哪一些官方單位參與這次的溝通我先跟委員報告其實兩岸本來30幾年來就有基本的溝通跟協商的機制只是對方要不要用而已\n658190\t680895\t但是正是對方可能礙於政治上的一些框架或考量但是現實上涉及到人民權利義務的這個事項他們最後還是會或是說我們雙方都會找到一個適當的方式去那以過去這幾年來講大陸人民在台灣發生各種的意外事故的\n681995\t688280\t不管有無過失或是甚麼等等的大概有9個案例已經協商處理過我們人力在大陸也有大概3個案件我想這個都是會由政府單位或是政府授權的單位就像您剛剛有提到的海基運\n700230\t721549\t對,溝通管道我剛剛不是講了嗎?溝通管道一直都有,三十幾年來雙方簽了很多的協議,也有很多的溝通管道的機制。不是相反就是兩邊政治溝通的管道,就是通過單位,各個單位一起溝通。基本上政治的議題的溝通,縱使是朝野政...所以才會達成說已經半個月了,到現在還沒有溝通完整。\n725291\t736136\t要分兩件事,你剛剛問的是第一個政治的溝通,基本上這件事情是沒有政治的問題,因為它就存在一個個案執法個案的問題過去發生過了很多的案例,其實都有一個協商機制希望有效的溝通\n749882\t752764\t我們會盡盡一切的作為做最大的努力讓未來避免再度發生這些案件\n777403\t783927\t但是這次的案件委員您也知道對方船舶的狀態我想今天已經說得很清楚了\n","txt":"謝謝主席有邀請海基會還有陸委會主委\n首先就是專案報告我看了目前已經交由警調處理執法遇到的程序還有相關的細節我們都尊重司法的調查但是我想要請教主委對於這件事情的看法是什麼\n這是海巡依法行政執法我們絕對沒有過失在這個過程之中發生的這一個不幸的事件那麼我們本於大公無私我們把所有的資料都交給檢察官讓他們不偏不倚的來還原真相但是在這個過程之中海巡的執法、依法行政難免在登檢的過程當中會有一個持續的碰觸的過程\n這是一艘三無船\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n既然是這樣金門距離歐盟的最近的地方\n在來我國出日號的遊艇\n被中國水警登船的臨檢這件事情意味著就是衝突升級了不然他們為什麼還要那麼敏感的時候特別來到我們的船上做臨檢想要請問海巡署的一旦類似的衝突再度發生海委會有何應對策略我們如何確保臺灣的移民的安全\n跟委員報告我們跟廈門的距離雖然很近但是禁縣制水域是從1992年以來雙方執法一個很重要的一旬所以不是因為說兩邊很近一定就會不斷的發生類案\n第二點 這樣的一個執法的過程我們的執法其實我也三令五申我特別請艦隊分署要告訴我們的同仁落實所有的勤務我們也應該有精進的作為我們的執法一定要最優先是顧及自己跟他船的安全這個是我們執法所必須的而我們的海巡也都謹守這樣的一個執法應該要有的態度來執法\n那這次發生意外是一個非常個別的單一的事件我們未來會盡一切的努力會盡一切的努力的精進作為來避免這樣的案件再度發生我們不會看到說這樣的事件要不斷的發生事實上也不是是但是我們遇到中國的海警的措施是什麼會去距離嗎還是說我們會主動開火嗎\n委員 絕對不可能是主動開火的這一切的SOP都一樣在沒有進入禁限制水域的時候我們有未進入禁限制水域時候我們的應處那麼如果是進入限制水域這個其實也是在非常緊張的時候才會發生的一種政治氛圍之下的作為\n至於說海警船進入禁止水域目前為止即使是這一次也都還完全沒有那進入禁止水域不是海警船是其他的公務船舶所以其實兩岸我們都很希望能夠維持我們兩岸在海域上面我們既是有協同執法我們又是有救生救難上面的\n麥玉珍\n我們希望能夠趕快趕快讓這個事情不要再被綁在很多的政治的考量之中那個是沒有必要的\n主席﹚麥玉珍\n這件事情海委會還有陸委會知道嗎菲律賓的在海外的南海的衝突我認為就是我們遇到問題就是解決問題而且不是在喊口號在說明大陸就像我們家的隔壁鄰居的壞鄰居所以我們也要想辦法說如何去解決他不然最後\n最可憐的還是我們的民眾。菲律賓他們也可以在最近半年跟美國展開的聯合軍事的演習。我們目前的衝突已經,情勢已經升級了。我們既然還要採那麼強硬的立場,我們有做好跟他們硬來的準備嗎?\n報告委員,我們沒有採所謂強硬的立場,我們絕對是堅持執法的過程當中,我們是不勝高政治衝突的,這從來我們不挑釁不勝高政治衝突,從頭到尾,過去到現在到未來,都是我們唯一的態度,這一點邀請委員。\n跟委員報告臺美的海巡彼此之間我們有合作的MOU但是合作的MOU的內容它分成很多的項目至於說我們有一些聯合的合作的項目因為本於外交上面的考量恐怕我們是不便在這裡做公開的說明跟報告\n我相信就是臺灣的民眾不會在乎剛才大家就是很多的委員在問的就是說專報開的什麼名字我們全國的人民在乎的就是情勢升級會不會影響我們的生活還有甚至到說兩岸開戰因為有念過歷史的人都知道很多戰爭都是因為\n這個才是我們台灣的人民的關心而不是就是有意義的就是鑽牛九尖一直在講一些的問題或者名稱\n所以這也就是我們金門的民眾每次就是要兩岸衝突他們都是像海嘯一樣排第一名所以我們相信台灣沒有人包括這位就是希望這樣子的衝突\n大家就是渴望和平就是穩定生活的環境因為在我就想問委員的重點就是說在行政部門如何平衡積極捍衛領土與海城的權利同時確保金門甚至我們所有台灣人民不必要的就是害怕就是打戰擔憂的恐慌\n跟委員報告我們絕對是不挑釁然後不升高政治的衝突以這一次發生的事故來講我們第一時間就希望就是說能夠回歸到我們過去已經有的案例的處理這是一個個案的執法事件不要把它用來升高為政治跟政治之間做連結做連結的不是我方\n所以說因為我看到就是說就是在講的都是這些問題所以我是希望就是說我們因為告訴的時間還有短暫的因素所以問的問題都是用陳述的我希望就是說未來本署就是可以就是將於就是精進還有就是加強的訓練所以關於就是精進加強的訓練的\n我們的經營作為會給委員一個報告\n還有就是說關於就是說溝通的機制因為請問我們這次的對於兩岸溝通的管道是什麼有哪一些官方單位參與這次的溝通我先跟委員報告其實兩岸本來30幾年來就有基本的溝通跟協商的機制只是對方要不要用而已\n但是正是對方可能礙於政治上的一些框架或考量但是現實上涉及到人民權利義務的這個事項他們最後還是會或是說我們雙方都會找到一個適當的方式去那以過去這幾年來講大陸人民在台灣發生各種的意外事故的\n不管有無過失或是甚麼等等的大概有9個案例已經協商處理過我們人力在大陸也有大概3個案件我想這個都是會由政府單位或是政府授權的單位就像您剛剛有提到的海基運\n對,溝通管道我剛剛不是講了嗎?溝通管道一直都有,三十幾年來雙方簽了很多的協議,也有很多的溝通管道的機制。不是相反就是兩邊政治溝通的管道,就是通過單位,各個單位一起溝通。基本上政治的議題的溝通,縱使是朝野政...所以才會達成說已經半個月了,到現在還沒有溝通完整。\n要分兩件事,你剛剛問的是第一個政治的溝通,基本上這件事情是沒有政治的問題,因為它就存在一個個案執法個案的問題過去發生過了很多的案例,其實都有一個協商機制希望有效的溝通\n我們會盡盡一切的作為做最大的努力讓未來避免再度發生這些案件\n但是這次的案件委員您也知道對方船舶的狀態我想今天已經說得很清楚了\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.194 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04:16.134\n那這次發生意外是一個非常個別的單一的事件我們未來會盡一切的努力會盡一切的努力的精進作為來避免這樣的案件再度發生我們不會看到說這樣的事件要不斷的發生事實上也不是是但是我們遇到中國的海警的措施是什麼會去距離嗎還是說我們會主動開火嗎\n\n04:21.584 --> 04:46.173\n委員絕對不可能是主動開火的這一切的SOP都一樣在沒有進入禁限制水域的時候我們有未進入禁限制水域時候我們的應處那麼如果是進入限制水域這個其實也是在非常緊張的時候才會發生的一種政治氛圍之下的作為\n\n04:47.573 --> 05:11.273\n至於說海警船進入禁止水域目前為止即使是這一次也都還完全沒有那進入禁止水域不是海警船是其他的公務船舶所以其實兩岸我們都很希望能夠維持我們兩岸在海域上面我們既是有協同執法我們又是有救生救難上面的\n\n05:11.633 --> 05:11.673\n麥玉珍\n\n05:30.822 --> 05:33.985\n我們希望能夠趕快趕快讓這個事情不要再被綁在很多的政治的考量之中那個是沒有必要的\n\n05:55.902 --> 05:56.663\n主席﹚麥玉珍\n\n06:06.688 --> 06:20.035\n這件事情海委會還有陸委會知道嗎菲律賓的在海外的南海的衝突我認為就是我們遇到問題就是解決問題而且不是在喊口號在說明大陸就像我們家的隔壁鄰居的壞鄰居所以我們也要想辦法說如何去解決他不然最後\n\n06:33.642 --> 06:42.349\n最可憐的還是我們的民眾。菲律賓他們也可以在最近半年跟美國展開的聯合軍事的演習。我們目前的衝突已經,情勢已經升級了。我們既然還要採那麼強硬的立場,我們有做好跟他們硬來的準備嗎?\n\n06:58.381 --> 07:15.936\n報告委員,我們沒有採所謂強硬的立場,我們絕對是堅持執法的過程當中,我們是不勝高政治衝突的,這從來我們不挑釁不勝高政治衝突,從頭到尾,過去到現在到未來,都是我們唯一的態度,這一點邀請委員。\n\n07:23.070 --> 07:46.716\n跟委員報告臺美的海巡彼此之間我們有合作的MOU但是合作的MOU的內容它分成很多的項目至於說我們有一些聯合的合作的項目因為本於外交上面的考量恐怕我們是不便在這裡做公開的說明跟報告\n\n07:47.416 --> 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