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00:02:40,364\n完全沒有關係,報告委員這是一個單獨個別的執法事件那其實過去也曾經發生過那我們一定可以找到一個很方便很容易來好好處理的一個SOP因為我們其實是有經驗的而且兩岸的海事上面的工作過去長期是在救生救難也好協同執法也好在這一方面相當程度是有一個善的橋樑\n\n8\n00:02:41,485 --> 00:02:41,625\n我們看下一頁\n\n9\n00:02:59,136 --> 00:03:28,309\n就是剛剛我們在博弈委員的就已經有講過這個關於我們管委員的一個虛假對話想要製造這樣的一個輿論風向進而去定調一個法律的框架在下一頁所以現在我們在遇到的狀況是什麼呢就是大家今天一直在討論到底他是不是一個撞船事件他到底要不要使用這樣的名詞在這邊告訴大家在2月27號之前中國根本就沒有用撞船這兩個字他是從國台辦開始定調這個叫214惡性撞船事件\n\n10\n00:03:28,909 --> 00:03:52,947\n所以這跟我們的教育部怎麼規定撞這個字一點關係都沒有它就是中國想要製造一個新的名字跟新的法律框架讓我們在這個框架下面來討論這個案件所以從那個時候開始呢臺灣竟然還有投書可以同步把這個惡性撞船事件把它變到我們的這個報紙的這個評論顯然很明顯的就是有一個聯合的操作\n\n11\n00:03:53,627 --> 00:04:12,723\n所以這件事情對我們來講呢到2月29我們排案使用這樣的一個字眼這個字眼在迎合中國框架對我們來講就非常的危險因為這是一個中國重要的一個灰色地帶的作戰所以如果我們不能夠去抵擋這樣的事情呢會變得非常的可怕但是接下來就是麻煩的地方了我想問一下喔換下一位\n\n12\n00:04:13,769 --> 00:04:35,056\n當然可以看到在這邊在整個這個網路的這個聲量裡面我們主委應該也可以看到他整個214惡性撞船事件出現大量的文章跟大量的協同操作並藉由川平社跟國台辦相關去定調這樣的一個字眼所以接下來我想問主委的事情就是幫我換下一位再下一位\n\n13\n00:04:36,508 --> 00:05:03,223\n如果我們今天這個事件的發生從他一開始操作輿論然後再去擴大他的執法的權利然後再一直想要讓我們這邊做承認跟道歉去承認這樣的一個新常態我認為這個在以往我們看過八十幾個案例之下已經到大概第五個階段了所以接下來想要請教主委因為這件事情還沒有結束那請問海洋會對這件事情的預判是什麼也就是接下來還會發生什麼事情\n\n14\n00:05:04,192 --> 00:05:29,559\n報告委員海巡署或海委會也好遇到這件事情處理到現在我們就是盡全力在溝通的部分能夠越來越趨近然後去找到共識這個過程其實是有很多的階段每一個階段對方的訴求我們沒有辦法達成共識的部分就一題一題的去解決\n\n15\n00:05:30,459 --> 00:05:30,859\n沈伯洋議員\n\n16\n00:05:54,693 --> 00:05:58,436\n我先簡單的問一句就是當時有想到他們會放這個所謂的假的line的截圖嗎?\n\n17\n00:06:12,183 --> 00:06:30,257\n其實我相當的震撼當然在這個LINE的截圖之前我已經就被誤解了很多例如說我請總界的法務人士我沒有想到會操作到這種地方或者是說國台辦會讓我能寫都是意料之外的\n\n18\n00:06:30,797 --> 00:06:58,716\n這邊我想要提醒一點就是中國在這以往的八十幾個案例的操作常常出現這樣的情形除了造假的截圖之外他們也很常做一件事情譬如說假設這邊我們有相關營救到的人員一旦回到了中國之後呢他馬上就請他翻工並做成大量的短影片然後在網路上散播所以如果我們今天能夠預判這件事情發生的話那我們可以事先在我們把人放回去之前應該要讓國人知道中國可能的操作手法\n\n19\n00:06:59,396 --> 00:06:59,636\n沈伯洋\n\n20\n00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:40,615\n除了這個我們知道海巡署這邊是非常的委屈啦但是還是要告訴大家讓國人知道我們處理這些事情的SOP可能是什麼因為接下來中國可能會有的動作他因為他的定調叫做惡性撞船事件而藉由我們台灣這些所謂把撞船事件提高到這個不管是在政府的層次跟媒體的層次之下\n\n21\n00:07:41,035 --> 00:08:03,542\n他接下來想要做的就是他要怎麼去定調惡行以及他要怎麼去把排毒這件事情帶進來所以如果我們不能讓國人知道中國的操作手法的話後面他再丟出來任何的輿論我們可能就會節節敗退更不要講說他可能還會製造新的法律框架所以這是一個簡單的建議接下來因為只剩2分鐘所以我想換一下一個主題就是因為我們剛剛講的是對於未來的預判\n\n22\n00:08:05,442 --> 00:08:26,039\n我們現在需要比較知道的就是在過往的這個過程當中因為我聽到今天早上一直到剛剛下午之前大家都一直在提密錄器但是密錄器其實它攝影的範圍其實非常非常的小如果我們今天要知道整體的全局的話如果我們想要知道到底發生什麼事情的話密錄器顯然是不夠的嘛\n\n23\n00:08:26,679 --> 00:08:49,925\n所以我們在這邊整理了幾個各個國家在應對這種衝突的時候不同的手段那我這邊就不一一念我會把資料交給海委會再幫我換下一頁大家可以看到在中國的海警船跟其他的對峙的時候搜證的船隻是在第三台也就是它不是在這一台船上面做拍攝再換下一張然後與其像這個是雷射攻擊它也是在遠處做拍攝\n\n24\n00:08:52,210 --> 00:09:06,801\n像這一個非國的船隻跟中國的海警船在對峙的時候很明顯是由空拍的方式做拍攝也因此問題根本就一直不是在密錄器當我們把問題一直糾結在密錄器的時候其實又是掉入對方所設定的框架\n\n25\n00:09:07,361 --> 00:09:19,848\n我們需要知道的是在灰色領域作戰最好的方式菲律賓從2023年開始做的事情就是用第三隻第四隻的船隻或者無人機或者飛機去把這些畫面發下來及時的公佈給大眾\n\n26\n00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:47,735\n所以大家都可以知道說中國的不管是海警還是他的小男人他在怎麼去做這種灰色領域的步步驚逼那我知道所以其實呢我們光是說密錄器到底要多少什麼這已經是個假議題而是說我們如果要做到菲律賓去年做的這些事情的話我們所需要的預算應該要有多少需要的人力應該要有多少海巡這邊呢應該要針對這件事情做一個盤點\n\n27\n00:09:48,655 --> 00:09:49,176\n最後幾個短短的建議只剩10秒鐘\n\n28\n00:10:07,634 --> 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抵擋中國的一個攻擊\n79670\t100996\t好那第一件事情就是呢中國這整體的框架對於我們的攻擊呢一直以來都是法律跟輿論不斷的交錯大家可以看到在2月14號國台辦先定調我們的執法是粗暴跟危險然後到2月17號宣稱我們的這個水域不存在這件事情之所以重要是因為他要否定台灣執法的一個權利進而去擴張中國執法的權利\n102876\t131729\t所以單單光是擴張執法權利這件事情就不是那麼簡單的說我們在取締快艇翻覆的一個事實而已而是中國想要藉由這樣的一個藉口去擴張在我們這邊的執法權利連我們的國防部長都說這個可能會建立一個新常態那2月18號是大家比較容易忽略的是王毅在受訪的時候呢定調了這是一個中國跟反對台獨那我想先問一下這個主委請問我們這件事情跟台獨有什麼關係\n132489\t160364\t完全沒有關係,報告委員這是一個單獨個別的執法事件那其實過去也曾經發生過那我們一定可以找到一個很方便很容易來好好處理的一個SOP因為我們其實是有經驗的而且兩岸的海事上面的工作過去長期是在救生救難也好協同執法也好在這一方面相當程度是有一個善的橋樑\n161485\t161625\t我們看下一頁\n179136\t208309\t就是剛剛我們在博弈委員的就已經有講過這個關於我們管委員的一個虛假對話想要製造這樣的一個輿論風向進而去定調一個法律的框架在下一頁所以現在我們在遇到的狀況是什麼呢就是大家今天一直在討論到底他是不是一個撞船事件他到底要不要使用這樣的名詞在這邊告訴大家在2月27號之前中國根本就沒有用撞船這兩個字他是從國台辦開始定調這個叫214惡性撞船事件\n208909\t232947\t所以這跟我們的教育部怎麼規定撞這個字一點關係都沒有它就是中國想要製造一個新的名字跟新的法律框架讓我們在這個框架下面來討論這個案件所以從那個時候開始呢臺灣竟然還有投書可以同步把這個惡性撞船事件把它變到我們的這個報紙的這個評論顯然很明顯的就是有一個聯合的操作\n233627\t252723\t所以這件事情對我們來講呢到2月29我們排案使用這樣的一個字眼這個字眼在迎合中國框架對我們來講就非常的危險因為這是一個中國重要的一個灰色地帶的作戰所以如果我們不能夠去抵擋這樣的事情呢會變得非常的可怕但是接下來就是麻煩的地方了我想問一下喔換下一位\n253769\t275056\t當然可以看到在這邊在整個這個網路的這個聲量裡面我們主委應該也可以看到他整個214惡性撞船事件出現大量的文章跟大量的協同操作並藉由川平社跟國台辦相關去定調這樣的一個字眼所以接下來我想問主委的事情就是幫我換下一位再下一位\n276508\t303223\t如果我們今天這個事件的發生從他一開始操作輿論然後再去擴大他的執法的權利然後再一直想要讓我們這邊做承認跟道歉去承認這樣的一個新常態我認為這個在以往我們看過八十幾個案例之下已經到大概第五個階段了所以接下來想要請教主委因為這件事情還沒有結束那請問海洋會對這件事情的預判是什麼也就是接下來還會發生什麼事情\n304192\t329559\t報告委員海巡署或海委會也好遇到這件事情處理到現在我們就是盡全力在溝通的部分能夠越來越趨近然後去找到共識這個過程其實是有很多的階段每一個階段對方的訴求我們沒有辦法達成共識的部分就一題一題的去解決\n330459\t330859\t沈伯洋議員\n354693\t358436\t我先簡單的問一句就是當時有想到他們會放這個所謂的假的line的截圖嗎?\n372183\t390257\t其實我相當的震撼當然在這個LINE的截圖之前我已經就被誤解了很多例如說我請總界的法務人士我沒有想到會操作到這種地方或者是說國台辦會讓我能寫都是意料之外的\n390797\t418716\t這邊我想要提醒一點就是中國在這以往的八十幾個案例的操作常常出現這樣的情形除了造假的截圖之外他們也很常做一件事情譬如說假設這邊我們有相關營救到的人員一旦回到了中國之後呢他馬上就請他翻工並做成大量的短影片然後在網路上散播所以如果我們今天能夠預判這件事情發生的話那我們可以事先在我們把人放回去之前應該要讓國人知道中國可能的操作手法\n419396\t419636\t沈伯洋\n439430\t460615\t除了這個我們知道海巡署這邊是非常的委屈啦但是還是要告訴大家讓國人知道我們處理這些事情的SOP可能是什麼因為接下來中國可能會有的動作他因為他的定調叫做惡性撞船事件而藉由我們台灣這些所謂把撞船事件提高到這個不管是在政府的層次跟媒體的層次之下\n461035\t483542\t他接下來想要做的就是他要怎麼去定調惡行以及他要怎麼去把排毒這件事情帶進來所以如果我們不能讓國人知道中國的操作手法的話後面他再丟出來任何的輿論我們可能就會節節敗退更不要講說他可能還會製造新的法律框架所以這是一個簡單的建議接下來因為只剩2分鐘所以我想換一下一個主題就是因為我們剛剛講的是對於未來的預判\n485442\t506039\t我們現在需要比較知道的就是在過往的這個過程當中因為我聽到今天早上一直到剛剛下午之前大家都一直在提密錄器但是密錄器其實它攝影的範圍其實非常非常的小如果我們今天要知道整體的全局的話如果我們想要知道到底發生什麼事情的話密錄器顯然是不夠的嘛\n506679\t529925\t所以我們在這邊整理了幾個各個國家在應對這種衝突的時候不同的手段那我這邊就不一一念我會把資料交給海委會再幫我換下一頁大家可以看到在中國的海警船跟其他的對峙的時候搜證的船隻是在第三台也就是它不是在這一台船上面做拍攝再換下一張然後與其像這個是雷射攻擊它也是在遠處做拍攝\n532210\t546801\t像這一個非國的船隻跟中國的海警船在對峙的時候很明顯是由空拍的方式做拍攝也因此問題根本就一直不是在密錄器當我們把問題一直糾結在密錄器的時候其實又是掉入對方所設定的框架\n547361\t559848\t我們需要知道的是在灰色領域作戰最好的方式菲律賓從2023年開始做的事情就是用第三隻第四隻的船隻或者無人機或者飛機去把這些畫面發下來及時的公佈給大眾\n563030\t587735\t所以大家都可以知道說中國的不管是海警還是他的小男人他在怎麼去做這種灰色領域的步步驚逼那我知道所以其實呢我們光是說密錄器到底要多少什麼這已經是個假議題而是說我們如果要做到菲律賓去年做的這些事情的話我們所需要的預算應該要有多少需要的人力應該要有多少海巡這邊呢應該要針對這件事情做一個盤點\n588655\t589176\t最後幾個短短的建議只剩10秒鐘\n607634\t608075\t沈伯洋委員\n","txt":"因為時間有限所以我就不要浪費太多時間因為今天早上大家已經花了非常多的時間想要釐清這整件事情但其實這整件事情對我們來說最重要的是中國的步步進逼\n沈伯洋議員\n反射中事件也是先由病調犯罪的一個方式然後再藉由修訂逃犯條例然後一直造成香港事件的爆發這是中國非常典型的手段所以今天在這個有限的時間因為非本委只有10分鐘我就只先把這樣的一個事實還有這樣的一個框架先釐清釐清之後我只問兩個問題就是我寫在上面的一個就是我們對未來的預判到底會是什麼樣子\n以及我們對於過去的透明措施應該要怎樣才可以預防這樣的事情發生 抵擋中國的一個攻擊\n好那第一件事情就是呢中國這整體的框架對於我們的攻擊呢一直以來都是法律跟輿論不斷的交錯大家可以看到在2月14號國台辦先定調我們的執法是粗暴跟危險然後到2月17號宣稱我們的這個水域不存在這件事情之所以重要是因為他要否定台灣執法的一個權利進而去擴張中國執法的權利\n所以單單光是擴張執法權利這件事情就不是那麼簡單的說我們在取締快艇翻覆的一個事實而已而是中國想要藉由這樣的一個藉口去擴張在我們這邊的執法權利連我們的國防部長都說這個可能會建立一個新常態那2月18號是大家比較容易忽略的是王毅在受訪的時候呢定調了這是一個中國跟反對台獨那我想先問一下這個主委請問我們這件事情跟台獨有什麼關係\n完全沒有關係,報告委員這是一個單獨個別的執法事件那其實過去也曾經發生過那我們一定可以找到一個很方便很容易來好好處理的一個SOP因為我們其實是有經驗的而且兩岸的海事上面的工作過去長期是在救生救難也好協同執法也好在這一方面相當程度是有一個善的橋樑\n我們看下一頁\n就是剛剛我們在博弈委員的就已經有講過這個關於我們管委員的一個虛假對話想要製造這樣的一個輿論風向進而去定調一個法律的框架在下一頁所以現在我們在遇到的狀況是什麼呢就是大家今天一直在討論到底他是不是一個撞船事件他到底要不要使用這樣的名詞在這邊告訴大家在2月27號之前中國根本就沒有用撞船這兩個字他是從國台辦開始定調這個叫214惡性撞船事件\n所以這跟我們的教育部怎麼規定撞這個字一點關係都沒有它就是中國想要製造一個新的名字跟新的法律框架讓我們在這個框架下面來討論這個案件所以從那個時候開始呢臺灣竟然還有投書可以同步把這個惡性撞船事件把它變到我們的這個報紙的這個評論顯然很明顯的就是有一個聯合的操作\n所以這件事情對我們來講呢到2月29我們排案使用這樣的一個字眼這個字眼在迎合中國框架對我們來講就非常的危險因為這是一個中國重要的一個灰色地帶的作戰所以如果我們不能夠去抵擋這樣的事情呢會變得非常的可怕但是接下來就是麻煩的地方了我想問一下喔換下一位\n當然可以看到在這邊在整個這個網路的這個聲量裡面我們主委應該也可以看到他整個214惡性撞船事件出現大量的文章跟大量的協同操作並藉由川平社跟國台辦相關去定調這樣的一個字眼所以接下來我想問主委的事情就是幫我換下一位再下一位\n如果我們今天這個事件的發生從他一開始操作輿論然後再去擴大他的執法的權利然後再一直想要讓我們這邊做承認跟道歉去承認這樣的一個新常態我認為這個在以往我們看過八十幾個案例之下已經到大概第五個階段了所以接下來想要請教主委因為這件事情還沒有結束那請問海洋會對這件事情的預判是什麼也就是接下來還會發生什麼事情\n報告委員海巡署或海委會也好遇到這件事情處理到現在我們就是盡全力在溝通的部分能夠越來越趨近然後去找到共識這個過程其實是有很多的階段每一個階段對方的訴求我們沒有辦法達成共識的部分就一題一題的去解決\n沈伯洋議員\n我先簡單的問一句就是當時有想到他們會放這個所謂的假的line的截圖嗎?\n其實我相當的震撼當然在這個LINE的截圖之前我已經就被誤解了很多例如說我請總界的法務人士我沒有想到會操作到這種地方或者是說國台辦會讓我能寫都是意料之外的\n這邊我想要提醒一點就是中國在這以往的八十幾個案例的操作常常出現這樣的情形除了造假的截圖之外他們也很常做一件事情譬如說假設這邊我們有相關營救到的人員一旦回到了中國之後呢他馬上就請他翻工並做成大量的短影片然後在網路上散播所以如果我們今天能夠預判這件事情發生的話那我們可以事先在我們把人放回去之前應該要讓國人知道中國可能的操作手法\n沈伯洋\n除了這個我們知道海巡署這邊是非常的委屈啦但是還是要告訴大家讓國人知道我們處理這些事情的SOP可能是什麼因為接下來中國可能會有的動作他因為他的定調叫做惡性撞船事件而藉由我們台灣這些所謂把撞船事件提高到這個不管是在政府的層次跟媒體的層次之下\n他接下來想要做的就是他要怎麼去定調惡行以及他要怎麼去把排毒這件事情帶進來所以如果我們不能讓國人知道中國的操作手法的話後面他再丟出來任何的輿論我們可能就會節節敗退更不要講說他可能還會製造新的法律框架所以這是一個簡單的建議接下來因為只剩2分鐘所以我想換一下一個主題就是因為我們剛剛講的是對於未來的預判\n我們現在需要比較知道的就是在過往的這個過程當中因為我聽到今天早上一直到剛剛下午之前大家都一直在提密錄器但是密錄器其實它攝影的範圍其實非常非常的小如果我們今天要知道整體的全局的話如果我們想要知道到底發生什麼事情的話密錄器顯然是不夠的嘛\n所以我們在這邊整理了幾個各個國家在應對這種衝突的時候不同的手段那我這邊就不一一念我會把資料交給海委會再幫我換下一頁大家可以看到在中國的海警船跟其他的對峙的時候搜證的船隻是在第三台也就是它不是在這一台船上面做拍攝再換下一張然後與其像這個是雷射攻擊它也是在遠處做拍攝\n像這一個非國的船隻跟中國的海警船在對峙的時候很明顯是由空拍的方式做拍攝也因此問題根本就一直不是在密錄器當我們把問題一直糾結在密錄器的時候其實又是掉入對方所設定的框架\n我們需要知道的是在灰色領域作戰最好的方式菲律賓從2023年開始做的事情就是用第三隻第四隻的船隻或者無人機或者飛機去把這些畫面發下來及時的公佈給大眾\n所以大家都可以知道說中國的不管是海警還是他的小男人他在怎麼去做這種灰色領域的步步驚逼那我知道所以其實呢我們光是說密錄器到底要多少什麼這已經是個假議題而是說我們如果要做到菲律賓去年做的這些事情的話我們所需要的預算應該要有多少需要的人力應該要有多少海巡這邊呢應該要針對這件事情做一個盤點\n最後幾個短短的建議只剩10秒鐘\n沈伯洋委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.686 --> 00:06.627\n因為時間有限所以我就不要浪費太多時間因為今天早上大家已經花了非常多的時間想要釐清這整件事情但其實這整件事情對我們來說最重要的是中國的步步進逼\n\n00:27.611 --> 00:27.751\n沈伯洋議員\n\n00:47.249 --> 01:11.123\n反射中事件也是先由病調犯罪的一個方式然後再藉由修訂逃犯條例然後一直造成香港事件的爆發這是中國非常典型的手段所以今天在這個有限的時間因為非本委只有10分鐘我就只先把這樣的一個事實還有這樣的一個框架先釐清釐清之後我只問兩個問題就是我寫在上面的一個就是我們對未來的預判到底會是什麼樣子\n\n01:11.923 --> 01:17.891\n以及我們對於過去的透明措施應該要怎樣才可以預防這樣的事情發生抵擋中國的一個攻擊\n\n01:19.670 --> 01:40.996\n好那第一件事情就是呢中國這整體的框架對於我們的攻擊呢一直以來都是法律跟輿論不斷的交錯大家可以看到在2月14號國台辦先定調我們的執法是粗暴跟危險然後到2月17號宣稱我們的這個水域不存在這件事情之所以重要是因為他要否定台灣執法的一個權利進而去擴張中國執法的權利\n\n01:42.876 --> 02:11.729\n所以單單光是擴張執法權利這件事情就不是那麼簡單的說我們在取締快艇翻覆的一個事實而已而是中國想要藉由這樣的一個藉口去擴張在我們這邊的執法權利連我們的國防部長都說這個可能會建立一個新常態那2月18號是大家比較容易忽略的是王毅在受訪的時候呢定調了這是一個中國跟反對台獨那我想先問一下這個主委請問我們這件事情跟台獨有什麼關係\n\n02:12.489 --> 02:40.364\n完全沒有關係,報告委員這是一個單獨個別的執法事件那其實過去也曾經發生過那我們一定可以找到一個很方便很容易來好好處理的一個SOP因為我們其實是有經驗的而且兩岸的海事上面的工作過去長期是在救生救難也好協同執法也好在這一方面相當程度是有一個善的橋樑\n\n02:41.485 --> 02:41.625\n我們看下一頁\n\n02:59.136 --> 03:28.309\n就是剛剛我們在博弈委員的就已經有講過這個關於我們管委員的一個虛假對話想要製造這樣的一個輿論風向進而去定調一個法律的框架在下一頁所以現在我們在遇到的狀況是什麼呢就是大家今天一直在討論到底他是不是一個撞船事件他到底要不要使用這樣的名詞在這邊告訴大家在2月27號之前中國根本就沒有用撞船這兩個字他是從國台辦開始定調這個叫214惡性撞船事件\n\n03:28.909 --> 03:52.947\n所以這跟我們的教育部怎麼規定撞這個字一點關係都沒有它就是中國想要製造一個新的名字跟新的法律框架讓我們在這個框架下面來討論這個案件所以從那個時候開始呢臺灣竟然還有投書可以同步把這個惡性撞船事件把它變到我們的這個報紙的這個評論顯然很明顯的就是有一個聯合的操作\n\n03:53.627 --> 04:12.723\n所以這件事情對我們來講呢到2月29我們排案使用這樣的一個字眼這個字眼在迎合中國框架對我們來講就非常的危險因為這是一個中國重要的一個灰色地帶的作戰所以如果我們不能夠去抵擋這樣的事情呢會變得非常的可怕但是接下來就是麻煩的地方了我想問一下喔換下一位\n\n04:13.769 --> 04:35.056\n當然可以看到在這邊在整個這個網路的這個聲量裡面我們主委應該也可以看到他整個214惡性撞船事件出現大量的文章跟大量的協同操作並藉由川平社跟國台辦相關去定調這樣的一個字眼所以接下來我想問主委的事情就是幫我換下一位再下一位\n\n04:36.508 --> 05:03.223\n如果我們今天這個事件的發生從他一開始操作輿論然後再去擴大他的執法的權利然後再一直想要讓我們這邊做承認跟道歉去承認這樣的一個新常態我認為這個在以往我們看過八十幾個案例之下已經到大概第五個階段了所以接下來想要請教主委因為這件事情還沒有結束那請問海洋會對這件事情的預判是什麼也就是接下來還會發生什麼事情\n\n05:04.192 --> 05:29.559\n報告委員海巡署或海委會也好遇到這件事情處理到現在我們就是盡全力在溝通的部分能夠越來越趨近然後去找到共識這個過程其實是有很多的階段每一個階段對方的訴求我們沒有辦法達成共識的部分就一題一題的去解決\n\n05:30.459 --> 05:30.859\n沈伯洋議員\n\n05:54.693 --> 05:58.436\n我先簡單的問一句就是當時有想到他們會放這個所謂的假的line的截圖嗎?\n\n06:12.183 --> 06:30.257\n其實我相當的震撼當然在這個LINE的截圖之前我已經就被誤解了很多例如說我請總界的法務人士我沒有想到會操作到這種地方或者是說國台辦會讓我能寫都是意料之外的\n\n06:30.797 --> 06:58.716\n這邊我想要提醒一點就是中國在這以往的八十幾個案例的操作常常出現這樣的情形除了造假的截圖之外他們也很常做一件事情譬如說假設這邊我們有相關營救到的人員一旦回到了中國之後呢他馬上就請他翻工並做成大量的短影片然後在網路上散播所以如果我們今天能夠預判這件事情發生的話那我們可以事先在我們把人放回去之前應該要讓國人知道中國可能的操作手法\n\n06:59.396 --> 06:59.636\n沈伯洋\n\n07:19.430 --> 07:40.615\n除了這個我們知道海巡署這邊是非常的委屈啦但是還是要告訴大家讓國人知道我們處理這些事情的SOP可能是什麼因為接下來中國可能會有的動作他因為他的定調叫做惡性撞船事件而藉由我們台灣這些所謂把撞船事件提高到這個不管是在政府的層次跟媒體的層次之下\n\n07:41.035 --> 08:03.542\n他接下來想要做的就是他要怎麼去定調惡行以及他要怎麼去把排毒這件事情帶進來所以如果我們不能讓國人知道中國的操作手法的話後面他再丟出來任何的輿論我們可能就會節節敗退更不要講說他可能還會製造新的法律框架所以這是一個簡單的建議接下來因為只剩2分鐘所以我想換一下一個主題就是因為我們剛剛講的是對於未來的預判\n\n08:05.442 --> 08:26.039\n我們現在需要比較知道的就是在過往的這個過程當中因為我聽到今天早上一直到剛剛下午之前大家都一直在提密錄器但是密錄器其實它攝影的範圍其實非常非常的小如果我們今天要知道整體的全局的話如果我們想要知道到底發生什麼事情的話密錄器顯然是不夠的嘛\n\n08:26.679 --> 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