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00:02:12,442\n新來的這些電話詐騙還有800多通的這個惡意的簡訊然後攬組詐騙的案件有11300多件\n\n8\n00:02:18,427 --> 00:02:18,647\n﹚陳素月\n\n9\n00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:40,520\n﹚陳素月\n\n10\n00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:10,710\n議員﹚陳素月\n\n11\n00:03:39,694 --> 00:03:39,894\n市長的評論\n\n12\n00:04:02,353 --> 00:04:04,235\n一年以上至三年為滿者29.3%．\n\n13\n00:04:18,247 --> 00:04:40,642\n這些人當中你看6個月以下的可能就是一顆罰金就沒事了然後判處3年以上的只有佔了0.5%就是3年到5年這個刑期的只有0.5%所以民眾覺得說這個刑期太輕對於這個犯罪這個罪犯就是詐欺犯毫無嚇阻的作用\n\n14\n00:04:41,102 --> 00:04:41,202\n陳素月議員\n\n15\n00:04:58,517 --> 00:05:25,042\n我想這個判得太輕的這個部分我請法務部部長來回答然後追回這一個的部分這個款項追回來了以後怎麼樣來做這個我們會來加強各部會跟這個被害者能夠有更好的這個聯絡跟溝通那實際上在銀行的攔阻詐騙的這個部分這個零貴的這個部分我們做的算\n\n16\n00:05:26,602 --> 00:05:53,011\n但是其他的部分怎麼樣追回來這個我們會請國家打開辦公室繼續來研議。沒關係在部長回答之前我先再提一件事情你看最近就是說我們法務部引以為傲的引渡了這個詐騙犯這個流行嫌犯從波蘭引渡回來之後結果是不用被關押又讓他回家了所以讓很多基層的員警\n\n17\n00:05:54,231 --> 00:05:54,351\n﹚陳素月\n\n18\n00:06:17,339 --> 00:06:34,987\n跟委員補充說明一下就是法院的判決我們也感覺到確實是拼清啦但是我們會要求檢察官會監督這樣的判決如果過輕的話要提起上訴另外在假釋的審核上那我們法務部矯正署也會從原來審核\n\n19\n00:06:36,776 --> 00:06:57,118\n那其他有關相關的法制如果說法定型還是不夠足以來遏止的話我們因為檢討再來提高那至於剛剛委員提到就波蘭引渡回來的炸氣飯那這一件案子我們檢察官還在積極的偵辦中那引渡我們不能判斷說\n\n20\n00:06:57,999 --> 00:07:14,127\n他要有罪才要引渡回來他是一個通緝犯是一個詐騙集團當然據司法互助我們還是希望先引渡回來以後讓檢察官繼續的偵辦雖然法院第一個時間他沒有同意要羈押但是我們還是積極的在受證在偵辦當中\n\n21\n00:07:16,326 --> 00:07:42,804\n我們知道要打詐防詐涉及的部會非常的多包括法務部、NCC、數位部、警政署、金管會等等都是息息相關的像去年我也協助一個朋友來處理他被詐騙的案子他是一個公司的平台他的網路購入平台結果被冒名\n\n22\n00:07:43,544 --> 00:07:43,904\n﹚陳素月﹚陳素月\n\n23\n00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:11,860\n主席\n\n24\n00:08:43,440 --> 00:09:04,431\n謝謝,我們知道這顆豬肉是重要的民生用品。近幾年來,我們在政府的積極作為之下,也讓我們在非洲豬瘟的防堵上有很好的具體的成效,包括口蹄疫的拔針,在去年確定拔針了。\n\n25\n00:09:05,491 --> 00:09:16,593\n不過我們也覺得很遺憾的就是說在去年過年今年的過年前就發生了這個西伏特羅這個瘦肉精的這樣子的一個事件當然也會造成這個社會的一個不安那後來證實說這個是一個單一的一個個案那我們在2月23號那個院長的食安專報裡面有提到就是說針對這樣子的一個單一個案的污染過程到底為什麼造成這樣子的一個污染事件\n\n26\n00:09:34,716 --> 00:09:37,937\n這一個部分我們在後天衛福部跟使安辦會跟我們提出一個最後的報告。\n\n27\n00:09:51,869 --> 00:09:52,929\n政府投入百億基金在養豬產業。\n\n28\n00:10:17,298 --> 00:10:17,338\n陳素月議員\n\n29\n00:10:25,868 --> 00:10:52,342\n我想先請教部長就是針對這個部分你有實際去觀摩看看目前的績效如何嗎?這個百億基金?謝謝委員的一個說明我這邊跟委員報告就是說我們在110年到113年我們總共投入了128.3億的百億基金那非常重要的兩個工作就是一個養豬場端的養豬場的一個升級另外一個部分是屠宰場的部分\n\n30\n00:10:52,842 --> 00:11:00,329\n那這兩個部分如果說能夠處理好的話我想包括養豬場的這些豬廢水的排放都能夠不再是一個0幣的一個場域\n\n31\n00:11:02,220 --> 00:11:31,440\n第二部分是這四年來今年第四年的部分特別是剛才您提到的彰化那彰化的部分我覺得非常棒的地方就是它的租場改建的部分大概達到516場那全國是兩千多場它已經接近了四分之一那這樣的一個改善其實對於彰化地區的後續的這些污水的排放這些非污水的排放的改善一定有相當的注意那第三個部分就是\n\n32\n00:11:32,140 --> 00:11:52,362\n我想整個豬的產業的升級不只是這四年而已,後續我們也正在規劃的下個四年的部分我們怎麼樣持續讓我們的產業升級,怎麼樣讓我們的豬的生產效率的提高,這個部分我們會持續跟產業界溝通,然後提出相關的方案。\n\n33\n00:11:54,125 --> 00:12:18,764\n白衣基金實施今年是第4年在這邊再次感謝我們就是農業部這邊截至目前為止就是合併給彰化縣有9.13億元的經費今年還有1.47億今年是合併了1.47億因為本席接觸到相關的養豬業者的反應就是說今年合併的經費\n\n34\n00:12:20,645 --> 00:12:20,785\n﹚陳素月﹚\n\n35\n00:12:30,857 --> 00:12:52,817\n我跟委員說明就是今年度的部分因為我們大部分的經費都已經在縣政府都有規劃了但是因為牽涉到有些是工程的部分那工程如果進度有快有慢的話那相對的我們有一些調度的空間那這個部分我想我們會持續跟彰化縣這邊來聯絡看看說的需求是怎麼樣然後我們做盡量的一個調度\n\n36\n00:12:54,723 --> 00:13:15,934\n部長回覆的意思就是說有空間就對了,做調度這樣子。好,那我們也希望透過這樣子的投入讓我們整個養豬產業能夠提升,然後讓我們這個品質能夠更好。接下來我再請教一下,彰化縣除了畜牧產業就是非常重要之外,\n\n37\n00:13:16,861 --> 00:13:35,279\n另外一個農產品就是葡萄在我的選區就是這個葡萄是一個非常重要的一個農產品那葡萄的種植過程當中有一個很重要的步驟就是要吹芽這部長知道了那過去農民很習慣用的一個\n\n38\n00:13:36,339 --> 00:13:36,379\n陳素月議員\n\n39\n00:13:53,568 --> 00:13:54,408\n陳素月議員陳素月議員\n\n40\n00:14:17,668 --> 00:14:17,708\n﹚陳素月﹚\n\n41\n00:14:40,990 --> 00:15:04,021\n所以在這邊就是說要怎樣讓農民能夠習慣轉換這支藥希望農業部這邊可以有更好的一個想法那本席是建議說是不是有可能在一到三年的期間在使用這支新藥的時候我們可以免費來提供讓他們習慣使用之後然後慢慢來改用這個藥品\n\n42\n00:15:05,619 --> 00:15:21,651\n我跟委員說明,就是因為二氯乙醇的劇毒性,我們用青蟒素去取代。那根據我們試驗感染症的優化的一個技術,現在目前用青蟒素的使用的藥劑的包括人工噴油的成本已經比二氯乙醇還低了。\n\n43\n00:15:22,552 --> 00:15:41,100\n二例以前每公頃大概6400塊那用清本數大概是4500塊而已所以相對的它的整個使用成本是已經比較低了雖然說它的藥劑單價比較高但是它的稀釋倍數同樣的也比較高所以它比較便宜這第一個部分第二個部分\n\n44\n00:16:08,813 --> 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改善一定有相當的注意那第三個部分就是\n我想整個豬的產業的升級不只是這四年而已,後續我們也正在規劃的下個四年的部分我們怎麼樣持續讓我們的產業升級,怎麼樣讓我們的豬的生產效率的提高,這個部分我們會持續跟產業界溝通,然後提出相關的方案。\n白衣基金實施今年是第4年在這邊再次感謝我們就是農業部這邊截至目前為止就是合併給彰化縣有9.13億元的經費今年還有1.47億今年是合併了1.47億因為本席接觸到相關的養豬業者的反應就是說今年合併的經費\n﹚陳素月﹚\n我跟委員說明就是今年度的部分因為我們大部分的經費都已經在縣政府都有規劃了但是因為牽涉到有些是工程的部分那工程如果進度有快有慢的話那相對的我們有一些調度的空間那這個部分我想我們會持續跟彰化縣這邊來聯絡看看說的需求是怎麼樣然後我們做盡量的一個調度\n部長回覆的意思就是說有空間就對了,做調度這樣子。好,那我們也希望透過這樣子的投入讓我們整個養豬產業能夠提升,然後讓我們這個品質能夠更好。接下來我再請教一下,彰化縣除了畜牧產業就是非常重要之外,\n另外一個農產品就是葡萄在我的選區就是這個葡萄是一個非常重要的一個農產品那葡萄的種植過程當中有一個很重要的步驟就是要吹芽這部長知道了那過去農民很習慣用的一個\n陳素月議員\n陳素月議員陳素月議員\n﹚陳素月﹚\n所以在這邊就是說要怎樣讓農民能夠習慣轉換這支藥希望農業部這邊可以有更好的一個想法那本席是建議說是不是有可能在一到三年的期間在使用這支新藥的時候我們可以免費來提供讓他們習慣使用之後然後慢慢來改用這個藥品\n我跟委員說明,就是因為二氯乙醇的劇毒性,我們用青蟒素去取代。那根據我們試驗感染症的優化的一個技術,現在目前用青蟒素的使用的藥劑的包括人工噴油的成本已經比二氯乙醇還低了。\n二例以前每公頃大概6400塊那用清本數大概是4500塊而已所以相對的它的整個使用成本是已經比較低了雖然說它的藥劑單價比較高但是它的稀釋倍數同樣的也比較高所以它比較便宜這第一個部分第二個部分\n謝謝陳委員素月的質詢,也謝謝院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第37號,政委員天才。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.121 --> 00:00.707\n發言委員、素月諮詢。\n\n00:27.353 --> 00:28.317\n請主席邀請陳院長麻煩請陳院長備詢\n\n00:38.763 --> 00:57.933\n委員長早安我們看到最近幾年來就是這個詐騙的案件層出不窮然後這個詐騙犯也越來越長矩那事實上這個造成基層的民眾非常的不安那對政府的這個執政也有頗有維持那我們也看到這個統計的數字從2018年一直到2023年這個詐騙的件數跟\n\n01:02.967 --> 01:03.147\n陳素月議員\n\n01:11.852 --> 01:12.372\n我們都有持續的不斷的在做可是我們看到這個統計數字\n\n01:40.795 --> 02:04.555\n是持續在上升的,然後對基層的民眾仍然無感。對這個部分,院長你有什麼看法?這一個部分謝謝委員的關心。確實這個詐騙的手法是不斷的推陳出新。然後世界各國都面臨到這個詐騙的情形,越來越嚴重的情況。那我們打詐辦公室成立以後,實際上我們有攔阻了1851通的境外\n\n02:09.739 --> 02:12.442\n新來的這些電話詐騙還有800多通的這個惡意的簡訊然後攬組詐騙的案件有11300多件\n\n02:18.427 --> 02:18.647\n﹚陳素月\n\n02:40.320 --> 02:40.520\n﹚陳素月\n\n03:10.550 --> 03:10.710\n議員﹚陳素月\n\n03:39.694 --> 03:39.894\n市長的評論\n\n04:02.353 --> 04:04.235\n一年以上至三年為滿者29.3%．\n\n04:18.247 --> 04:40.642\n這些人當中你看6個月以下的可能就是一顆罰金就沒事了然後判處3年以上的只有佔了0.5%就是3年到5年這個刑期的只有0.5%所以民眾覺得說這個刑期太輕對於這個犯罪這個罪犯就是詐欺犯毫無嚇阻的作用\n\n04:41.102 --> 04:41.202\n陳素月議員\n\n04:58.517 --> 05:25.042\n我想這個判得太輕的這個部分我請法務部部長來回答然後追回這一個的部分這個款項追回來了以後怎麼樣來做這個我們會來加強各部會跟這個被害者能夠有更好的這個聯絡跟溝通那實際上在銀行的攔阻詐騙的這個部分這個零貴的這個部分我們做的算\n\n05:26.602 --> 05:53.011\n但是其他的部分怎麼樣追回來這個我們會請國家打開辦公室繼續來研議。沒關係在部長回答之前我先再提一件事情你看最近就是說我們法務部引以為傲的引渡了這個詐騙犯這個流行嫌犯從波蘭引渡回來之後結果是不用被關押又讓他回家了所以讓很多基層的員警\n\n05:54.231 --> 05:54.351\n﹚陳素月\n\n06:17.339 --> 06:34.987\n跟委員補充說明一下就是法院的判決我們也感覺到確實是拼清啦但是我們會要求檢察官會監督這樣的判決如果過輕的話要提起上訴另外在假釋的審核上那我們法務部矯正署也會從原來審核\n\n06:36.776 --> 06:57.118\n那其他有關相關的法制如果說法定型還是不夠足以來遏止的話我們因為檢討再來提高那至於剛剛委員提到就波蘭引渡回來的炸氣飯那這一件案子我們檢察官還在積極的偵辦中那引渡我們不能判斷說\n\n06:57.999 --> 07:14.127\n他要有罪才要引渡回來他是一個通緝犯是一個詐騙集團當然據司法互助我們還是希望先引渡回來以後讓檢察官繼續的偵辦雖然法院第一個時間他沒有同意要羈押但是我們還是積極的在受證在偵辦當中\n\n07:16.326 --> 07:42.804\n我們知道要打詐防詐涉及的部會非常的多包括法務部、NCC、數位部、警政署、金管會等等都是息息相關的像去年我也協助一個朋友來處理他被詐騙的案子他是一個公司的平台他的網路購入平台結果被冒名\n\n07:43.544 --> 07:43.904\n﹚陳素月﹚陳素月\n\n08:11.800 --> 08:11.860\n主席\n\n08:43.440 --> 09:04.431\n謝謝,我們知道這顆豬肉是重要的民生用品。近幾年來,我們在政府的積極作為之下,也讓我們在非洲豬瘟的防堵上有很好的具體的成效,包括口蹄疫的拔針,在去年確定拔針了。\n\n09:05.491 --> 09:16.593\n不過我們也覺得很遺憾的就是說在去年過年今年的過年前就發生了這個西伏特羅這個瘦肉精的這樣子的一個事件當然也會造成這個社會的一個不安那後來證實說這個是一個單一的一個個案那我們在2月23號那個院長的食安專報裡面有提到就是說針對這樣子的一個單一個案的污染過程到底為什麼造成這樣子的一個污染事件\n\n09:34.716 --> 09:37.937\n這一個部分我們在後天衛福部跟使安辦會跟我們提出一個最後的報告。\n\n09:51.869 --> 09:52.929\n政府投入百億基金在養豬產業。\n\n10:17.298 --> 10:17.338\n陳素月議員\n\n10:25.868 --> 10:52.342\n我想先請教部長就是針對這個部分你有實際去觀摩看看目前的績效如何嗎?這個百億基金?謝謝委員的一個說明我這邊跟委員報告就是說我們在110年到113年我們總共投入了128.3億的百億基金那非常重要的兩個工作就是一個養豬場端的養豬場的一個升級另外一個部分是屠宰場的部分\n\n10:52.842 --> 11:00.329\n那這兩個部分如果說能夠處理好的話我想包括養豬場的這些豬廢水的排放都能夠不再是一個0幣的一個場域\n\n11:02.220 --> 11:31.440\n第二部分是這四年來今年第四年的部分特別是剛才您提到的彰化那彰化的部分我覺得非常棒的地方就是它的租場改建的部分大概達到516場那全國是兩千多場它已經接近了四分之一那這樣的一個改善其實對於彰化地區的後續的這些污水的排放這些非污水的排放的改善一定有相當的注意那第三個部分就是\n\n11:32.140 --> 11:52.362\n我想整個豬的產業的升級不只是這四年而已,後續我們也正在規劃的下個四年的部分我們怎麼樣持續讓我們的產業升級,怎麼樣讓我們的豬的生產效率的提高,這個部分我們會持續跟產業界溝通,然後提出相關的方案。\n\n11:54.125 --> 12:18.764\n白衣基金實施今年是第4年在這邊再次感謝我們就是農業部這邊截至目前為止就是合併給彰化縣有9.13億元的經費今年還有1.47億今年是合併了1.47億因為本席接觸到相關的養豬業者的反應就是說今年合併的經費\n\n12:20.645 --> 12:20.785\n﹚陳素月﹚\n\n12:30.857 --> 12:52.817\n我跟委員說明就是今年度的部分因為我們大部分的經費都已經在縣政府都有規劃了但是因為牽涉到有些是工程的部分那工程如果進度有快有慢的話那相對的我們有一些調度的空間那這個部分我想我們會持續跟彰化縣這邊來聯絡看看說的需求是怎麼樣然後我們做盡量的一個調度\n\n12:54.723 --> 13:15.934\n部長回覆的意思就是說有空間就對了,做調度這樣子。好,那我們也希望透過這樣子的投入讓我們整個養豬產業能夠提升,然後讓我們這個品質能夠更好。接下來我再請教一下,彰化縣除了畜牧產業就是非常重要之外,\n\n13:16.861 --> 13:35.279\n另外一個農產品就是葡萄在我的選區就是這個葡萄是一個非常重要的一個農產品那葡萄的種植過程當中有一個很重要的步驟就是要吹芽這部長知道了那過去農民很習慣用的一個\n\n13:36.339 --> 13:36.379\n陳素月議員\n\n13:53.568 --> 13:54.408\n陳素月議員陳素月議員\n\n14:17.668 --> 14:17.708\n﹚陳素月﹚\n\n14:40.990 --> 15:04.021\n所以在這邊就是說要怎樣讓農民能夠習慣轉換這支藥希望農業部這邊可以有更好的一個想法那本席是建議說是不是有可能在一到三年的期間在使用這支新藥的時候我們可以免費來提供讓他們習慣使用之後然後慢慢來改用這個藥品\n\n15:05.619 --> 15:21.651\n我跟委員說明,就是因為二氯乙醇的劇毒性,我們用青蟒素去取代。那根據我們試驗感染症的優化的一個技術,現在目前用青蟒素的使用的藥劑的包括人工噴油的成本已經比二氯乙醇還低了。\n\n15:22.552 --> 15:41.100\n二例以前每公頃大概6400塊那用清本數大概是4500塊而已所以相對的它的整個使用成本是已經比較低了雖然說它的藥劑單價比較高但是它的稀釋倍數同樣的也比較高所以它比較便宜這第一個部分第二個部分\n\n16:08.813 --> 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