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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:09,642 --> 00:00:12,387\n謝謝院長。那我們是不是請陳建仁陳院長。請陳院長備詢。\n\n2\n00:00:20,853 --> 00:00:45,390\n議員長,我今天的質詢最重要的是focus在我們中央地方合作那對於民生建設經濟的議題那首先民生最關心的是臺中的那一塊天選之樓我們政府對於食安的態度所以呢我們必須要給人民一個真相一個最好的說明那我記得那時候我們行政院說這個整個臺糖瘦肉精的這個專家會議食安辦會在3月統一的來說明結果\n\n3\n00:00:50,333 --> 00:01:03,651\n那院長不知道3月到了那大概是什麼時候我們會得到比較完整的說明好現在我已經有收到農業部的專家委員會的一個開完了嗎報告開完了\n\n4\n00:01:04,076 --> 00:01:22,890\n那衛福部這邊我請部長來說明一下。這一個部分的話目前正在簽辦,那應該是這兩天就會送到行政院,就會到行政院,會有行政院統一來去說明。那大概院長,你像部長這樣說,你覺得大概多久的時間?\n\n5\n00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:46,372\n我想大概我希望是在這個禮拜內我們就這個禮拜內好不好我們食安辦竟然專家會已經開完了那衛福部也已經簽成上行政院這兩天就會到了那我想院長是專家是科學家那長久以來也非常的重視我們食安那為了要給國人一個信心跟安心我覺得這個真的要盡快的做一個\n\n6\n00:01:48,193 --> 00:02:00,082\n安民心。這個是民生最關心的。除了這樣子我們要挺台灣本土豬。我知道之前副院長有跟我們盧市長約要去台中吃鍋。副院長對不對點頭搖頭。約了嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:06,104 --> 00:02:07,605\n這也是一個很有趣的安排\n\n8\n00:02:28,151 --> 00:02:41,976\n可以嗎?你有時間是不是來邀請我們台中市所有的立委?總質詢結束以後我來安排。好,那我就等你敲定時間我們來挺台灣本土豬。那我為什麼會這樣說?因為院長是一個\n\n9\n00:02:44,016 --> 00:03:12,486\n溫暖兼任的內閣那看到你大家都叫到大仁哥非常溫暖所以在你上任的100天的時候我記得我還把你的八張圖卡通通還留下來所以你把八項打造內政、教育、近隣轉型、外交、交通、義後特別預算及文化等等這八張的圖卡樣樣都說明了上任100天的時候你的政績那我想有的是非常的有感\n\n10\n00:03:13,106 --> 00:03:18,031\n目前的財政狀況很可能需要用來補貼健保、勞保還有台電那如果這三個還有餘裕的話有沒有可能?\n\n11\n00:03:37,862 --> 00:03:55,632\n我們就要看看明年後年的經濟狀況。但是今年的情形確實我們的勞保需要有很好的保障,還有台電,因為台電他在作為物價上升的消波塊,他確實需要我們政府要有補貼。\n\n12\n00:03:56,693 --> 00:04:18,994\n所以勞保當然勞保是大家非常關心的也是要勞工的命脈因為勞保基金政府要負最後的責任嘛那也是要安定所有勞工的心嘛那第二個當然這我知道會有有感第二個台電當然不可以倒啦但是呢電價穩定民生電價動漲是不是能夠繼續我覺得這是攸關民生經濟一個最重要的議題嘛\n\n13\n00:04:19,834 --> 00:04:43,047\n我覺得建議院長我們要推出有感又便民的政策我剛剛舉了經濟成果全民共享所以普發現金那個是非常有感的政策如果財政真的有餘裕可以的話我是建議可以來思考再來發一次那第二個其實現在在推的這個私立大專校院的這個學雜費的補助直接在這個\n\n14\n00:04:44,428 --> 00:04:48,609\n我只是希望說我們的溫暖堅韌內閣雖然我不認為我們現在這個時段叫做看守內閣我覺得我們\n\n15\n00:05:12,394 --> 00:05:39,841\n應該說,做一天和尚敲一天鐘,我們一定要盡心盡力堅守到最後一刻,因為這是我們內閣的職責,也是院長的一個責任。我希望前後內閣有一個無縫的結尾。是,那我要跟院長報告,你到現在今天是就任第400天,我幫你算了一下。謝謝。剛剛那幾項讓人民很有感,那確實大家拍手叫好,不過我也必須要提醒,我在基層,\n\n16\n00:05:41,161 --> 00:06:02,743\n大家現在普遍對我們政府做的還不夠的怨言最多的一個是毒品氾濫一個就是詐騙我們的打詐國家隊依然讓人家覺得不夠信任大家還是質疑政府的打詐能力不夠所以我們打詐無法雖然三賭啦可是在執行面上\n\n17\n00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:28,913\n還是要深切地去檢討為什麼讓人民還不夠信任政府的打詐的能力?院長你認為問題出在哪裡?我想問題大概有幾個因為現在民眾還是接收到不少的這個詐騙的簡訊等等那怎麼樣讓大家這樣的壓力能夠減少那第二個呢一個民眾像今天早上的時候也有委員提到說這個打詐的這個\n\n18\n00:06:35,055 --> 00:06:53,975\n此法則,處罰,宣判以後處罰得太低了,沒有辦法有效地來打擊詐騙。當然還有很多方面我們應該來努力,這一個部分我們一定會充分地來做好施詐。\n\n19\n00:06:55,236 --> 00:07:21,684\n我是建議院長我們打詐國家對各個部會的第一個職責要分工確定的非常的清楚第二個分工確立清楚之後責任也就跟著來了那責任我們在怎麼樣的究責該怎麼樣去推動這些打詐的一些績效我覺得這很重要而且最重要是要讓人民有感要讓人民有感那詐騙無所不在但是雖然防不勝防\n\n20\n00:07:22,364 --> 00:07:34,926\n如果政府各單位有盡心盡力做到讓人民有感說我是真的被打擊犯罪打擊詐騙集團那我覺得人民也會肯定政府也會拍手叫好\n\n21\n00:07:35,493 --> 00:08:03,030\n這個我們來做好跨部會的合作這個細節我是不是再請行政院這邊再給我一個打造國家對到底最近的成效如何我們給一個書面的報告對好一個書面報告給我那最後接下來我就職的這一屆就職的第一天我們就接到台中市政府有來函當然身為台中市的立委我想不分黨派就如同院長所講的這很多的重大建設必須要中央地方一起合作對我同意\n\n22\n00:08:04,090 --> 00:08:29,658\n台中市有提出第一個財政收支劃分法少子女對策道交管理事件的統一財閥基準都市計劃法還有台中各項建設我就一個一個來為地方來磨福利爭取預算這天經地義當然我要反映基層跟民眾的需求是我的職責第一個修財劃法不知道院長有沒有我們行政院這一邊\n\n23\n00:08:31,158 --> 00:08:57,647\n有沒有打算那目前有沒有接收到多少其他的地方政府提出希望能夠修才化法確實有不少的地方政府有提出這樣的建議但是因為才化法的修正其實知識體大而且每一個地方政府的意見又不一樣比如說六都有六都的看法甚至六都裡面台北有台北的看法高雄有高雄的看法所以這裡面確實是需要\n\n24\n00:08:58,727 --> 00:08:58,967\n要解釋一下。\n\n25\n00:09:27,691 --> 00:09:27,711\n來部長\n\n26\n00:09:49,235 --> 00:10:08,349\n是,跟委員說明一下,對於財化法的修正,我們也聽到了各縣市政府的意見。財政部也擬聚了六項修法的原則。這個六項修法原則也有跟地方政府做說明。我們從去年也已經含詢各地方政府在分配上,因為他們最在乎的是分配。\n\n27\n00:10:08,809 --> 00:10:28,903\n那分配的指標上比如說像財政能力以及基本建設的一個需求面提出來哪一些分配需要的一些指標那目前來說各地方政府的意見回來但是差距都很大那在對這個差距這麼大部分財政部會在邀請地方政府來做討論我們希望把差距我想在近期內我們會把這個彙整出來以後\n\n28\n00:10:31,344 --> 00:10:54,827\n請大家來再來一個說明然後把希望能夠把差距能夠盡量的一個縮小然後有一個共識對就尋求一個共識我現在要求的是要尋求共識的步驟tempo可不可以抓快一點要及協商的時間盡快排定一次不行兩次兩次不行三次我們希望把各地方政府爸爸跟院長講的六都的\n\n29\n00:10:55,848 --> 00:10:56,148\n是,是,是,好的,好,是\n\n30\n00:11:20,342 --> 00:11:41,418\n台中市政府第二個有講的其實是現在基層最關心的這個我們現在的交通交通的問題我想基層的民院院長應該也都知道那台中市政府有來文說他們警政單位希望修違反道路交通管理事件統一裁罰基準及處理細則\n\n31\n00:11:42,899 --> 00:12:00,539\n阿其實院長你也知道這個東西是叫做行政命令啦最重要的是要解決的是什麼解決的是現在的交通祭典以及所謂的選舉的相關的一些配套我們應該怎麼調整還有呢在行人安全跟道路安全\n\n32\n00:12:00,999 --> 00:12:06,844\n我想我們對於這個交通祭典相關的這些行政命令我們已經有請交通部在研議而且除了這個研議還不過我們現在可能還有道交條例的這個\n\n33\n00:12:23,136 --> 00:12:48,383\n您聽說我們這個禮拜四行政院院會就有可能﹖對對對院會就會有完整的考慮那除了這個執法的這個部分以外另外一個就是交通設施條例我們也要修譬如說一條道路應該有林庭區啊等等的那這個也一定要從工程教育跟執法面三個合在一起所以我們禮拜四﹖而且必須要地方政府的配合\n\n34\n00:12:50,184 --> 00:13:02,850\n對,對,對。我們這個禮拜四的時候就會有更通盤的考量。我們也希望提出來以後在需要修法的部分在大院這邊能夠得到所有朝野委員的支持。\n\n35\n00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:31,059\n我想剛剛院長所講的大部分的人都會同意我們希望在行人安全道路安全在最第一優先的情況之下去減少降低或調整一些人民院的地方那當然守法很重要但是要求人民守法之前我們必須要把一些該做的要先做好所以中央地方要好好的把什麼道路基本的設計交通\n\n36\n00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,982\n院長接著台中的重大建設\n\n37\n00:14:00,936 --> 00:14:21,267\n我想捷運系統不管是綠線的延伸你核定了藍線你也核定了那還有橘線紫線環狀線那臺東市政府提出中科二期的沿外道路甚至還有呢經濟部水利署的水環境改善工程等等我只是希望說院長臺東市政府提出來其實我們還有更多需要\n\n38\n00:14:21,527 --> 00:14:27,350\n我們中央跟地方一定是合作,特別是台中市政府在您的建立之下有很多需要建設的地方。\n\n39\n00:14:42,799 --> 00:15:08,889\n那很重要的一件事情我們看看是在可行性評估或者是在綜合規劃的等等我們會努力來加趕緊這個行程。院長最後30秒我希望我們政府要為孩子跟年輕家庭做更多因為台中市政府提出希望我們營養午餐全國都能夠一致化如果把它視為兒童福利政策那我覺得行政院值得思考\n\n40\n00:15:09,389 --> 00:15:21,923\n再來我們對少子女化的對策我覺得這個行政院真的要再更努力更加強所以為孩子為年輕家庭做更多才能夠解決我們少子女化的問題好不好院長我們全力以赴謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9642\t12387\t謝謝院長。那我們是不是請陳建仁陳院長。請陳院長備詢。\n20853\t45390\t議員長,我今天的質詢最重要的是focus在我們中央地方合作那對於民生建設經濟的議題那首先民生最關心的是臺中的那一塊天選之樓我們政府對於食安的態度所以呢我們必須要給人民一個真相一個最好的說明那我記得那時候我們行政院說這個整個臺糖瘦肉精的這個專家會議食安辦會在3月統一的來說明結果\n50333\t63651\t那院長不知道3月到了那大概是什麼時候我們會得到比較完整的說明好現在我已經有收到農業部的專家委員會的一個開完了嗎報告開完了\n64076\t82890\t那衛福部這邊我請部長來說明一下。這一個部分的話目前正在簽辦,那應該是這兩天就會送到行政院,就會到行政院,會有行政院統一來去說明。那大概院長,你像部長這樣說,你覺得大概多久的時間?\n83570\t106372\t我想大概我希望是在這個禮拜內我們就這個禮拜內好不好我們食安辦竟然專家會已經開完了那衛福部也已經簽成上行政院這兩天就會到了那我想院長是專家是科學家那長久以來也非常的重視我們食安那為了要給國人一個信心跟安心我覺得這個真的要盡快的做一個\n108193\t120082\t安民心。這個是民生最關心的。除了這樣子我們要挺台灣本土豬。我知道之前副院長有跟我們盧市長約要去台中吃鍋。副院長對不對點頭搖頭。約了嗎?\n126104\t127605\t這也是一個很有趣的安排\n148151\t161976\t可以嗎?你有時間是不是來邀請我們台中市所有的立委?總質詢結束以後我來安排。好,那我就等你敲定時間我們來挺台灣本土豬。那我為什麼會這樣說?因為院長是一個\n164016\t192486\t溫暖兼任的內閣那看到你大家都叫到大仁哥非常溫暖所以在你上任的100天的時候我記得我還把你的八張圖卡通通還留下來所以你把八項打造內政、教育、近隣轉型、外交、交通、義後特別預算及文化等等這八張的圖卡樣樣都說明了上任100天的時候你的政績那我想有的是非常的有感\n193106\t198031\t目前的財政狀況很可能需要用來補貼健保、勞保還有台電那如果這三個還有餘裕的話有沒有可能?\n217862\t235632\t我們就要看看明年後年的經濟狀況。但是今年的情形確實我們的勞保需要有很好的保障,還有台電,因為台電他在作為物價上升的消波塊,他確實需要我們政府要有補貼。\n236693\t258994\t所以勞保當然勞保是大家非常關心的也是要勞工的命脈因為勞保基金政府要負最後的責任嘛那也是要安定所有勞工的心嘛那第二個當然這我知道會有有感第二個台電當然不可以倒啦但是呢電價穩定民生電價動漲是不是能夠繼續我覺得這是攸關民生經濟一個最重要的議題嘛\n259834\t283047\t我覺得建議院長我們要推出有感又便民的政策我剛剛舉了經濟成果全民共享所以普發現金那個是非常有感的政策如果財政真的有餘裕可以的話我是建議可以來思考再來發一次那第二個其實現在在推的這個私立大專校院的這個學雜費的補助直接在這個\n284428\t288609\t我只是希望說我們的溫暖堅韌內閣雖然我不認為我們現在這個時段叫做看守內閣我覺得我們\n312394\t339841\t應該說,做一天和尚敲一天鐘,我們一定要盡心盡力堅守到最後一刻,因為這是我們內閣的職責,也是院長的一個責任。我希望前後內閣有一個無縫的結尾。是,那我要跟院長報告,你到現在今天是就任第400天,我幫你算了一下。謝謝。剛剛那幾項讓人民很有感,那確實大家拍手叫好,不過我也必須要提醒,我在基層,\n341161\t362743\t大家現在普遍對我們政府做的還不夠的怨言最多的一個是毒品氾濫一個就是詐騙我們的打詐國家隊依然讓人家覺得不夠信任大家還是質疑政府的打詐能力不夠所以我們打詐無法雖然三賭啦可是在執行面上\n363864\t388913\t還是要深切地去檢討為什麼讓人民還不夠信任政府的打詐的能力?院長你認為問題出在哪裡?我想問題大概有幾個因為現在民眾還是接收到不少的這個詐騙的簡訊等等那怎麼樣讓大家這樣的壓力能夠減少那第二個呢一個民眾像今天早上的時候也有委員提到說這個打詐的這個\n395055\t413975\t此法則,處罰,宣判以後處罰得太低了,沒有辦法有效地來打擊詐騙。當然還有很多方面我們應該來努力,這一個部分我們一定會充分地來做好施詐。\n415236\t441684\t我是建議院長我們打詐國家對各個部會的第一個職責要分工確定的非常的清楚第二個分工確立清楚之後責任也就跟著來了那責任我們在怎麼樣的究責該怎麼樣去推動這些打詐的一些績效我覺得這很重要而且最重要是要讓人民有感要讓人民有感那詐騙無所不在但是雖然防不勝防\n442364\t454926\t如果政府各單位有盡心盡力做到讓人民有感說我是真的被打擊犯罪打擊詐騙集團那我覺得人民也會肯定政府也會拍手叫好\n455493\t483030\t這個我們來做好跨部會的合作這個細節我是不是再請行政院這邊再給我一個打造國家對到底最近的成效如何我們給一個書面的報告對好一個書面報告給我那最後接下來我就職的這一屆就職的第一天我們就接到台中市政府有來函當然身為台中市的立委我想不分黨派就如同院長所講的這很多的重大建設必須要中央地方一起合作對我同意\n484090\t509658\t台中市有提出第一個財政收支劃分法少子女對策道交管理事件的統一財閥基準都市計劃法還有台中各項建設我就一個一個來為地方來磨福利爭取預算這天經地義當然我要反映基層跟民眾的需求是我的職責第一個修財劃法不知道院長有沒有我們行政院這一邊\n511158\t537647\t有沒有打算那目前有沒有接收到多少其他的地方政府提出希望能夠修才化法確實有不少的地方政府有提出這樣的建議但是因為才化法的修正其實知識體大而且每一個地方政府的意見又不一樣比如說六都有六都的看法甚至六都裡面台北有台北的看法高雄有高雄的看法所以這裡面確實是需要\n538727\t538967\t要解釋一下。\n567691\t567711\t來部長\n589235\t608349\t是,跟委員說明一下,對於財化法的修正,我們也聽到了各縣市政府的意見。財政部也擬聚了六項修法的原則。這個六項修法原則也有跟地方政府做說明。我們從去年也已經含詢各地方政府在分配上,因為他們最在乎的是分配。\n608809\t628903\t那分配的指標上比如說像財政能力以及基本建設的一個需求面提出來哪一些分配需要的一些指標那目前來說各地方政府的意見回來但是差距都很大那在對這個差距這麼大部分財政部會在邀請地方政府來做討論我們希望把差距我想在近期內我們會把這個彙整出來以後\n631344\t654827\t請大家來再來一個說明然後把希望能夠把差距能夠盡量的一個縮小然後有一個共識對就尋求一個共識我現在要求的是要尋求共識的步驟tempo可不可以抓快一點要及協商的時間盡快排定一次不行兩次兩次不行三次我們希望把各地方政府爸爸跟院長講的六都的\n655848\t656148\t是,是,是,好的,好,是\n680342\t701418\t台中市政府第二個有講的其實是現在基層最關心的這個我們現在的交通交通的問題我想基層的民院院長應該也都知道那台中市政府有來文說他們警政單位希望修違反道路交通管理事件統一裁罰基準及處理細則\n702899\t720539\t阿其實院長你也知道這個東西是叫做行政命令啦最重要的是要解決的是什麼解決的是現在的交通祭典以及所謂的選舉的相關的一些配套我們應該怎麼調整還有呢在行人安全跟道路安全\n720999\t726844\t我想我們對於這個交通祭典相關的這些行政命令我們已經有請交通部在研議而且除了這個研議還不過我們現在可能還有道交條例的這個\n743136\t768383\t您聽說我們這個禮拜四行政院院會就有可能﹖對對對 院會就會有完整的考慮那除了這個執法的這個部分以外另外一個就是交通設施條例我們也要修譬如說一條道路應該有林庭區啊等等的那這個也一定要從工程教育跟執法面三個合在一起所以我們禮拜四﹖而且必須要地方政府的配合\n770184\t782850\t對,對,對。我們這個禮拜四的時候就會有更通盤的考量。我們也希望提出來以後在需要修法的部分在大院這邊能夠得到所有朝野委員的支持。\n784087\t811059\t我想剛剛院長所講的大部分的人都會同意我們希望在行人安全道路安全在最第一優先的情況之下去減少降低或調整一些人民院的地方那當然守法很重要但是要求人民守法之前我們必須要把一些該做的要先做好所以中央地方要好好的把什麼道路基本的設計交通\n813360\t814982\t院長接著台中的重大建設\n840936\t861267\t我想捷運系統不管是綠線的延伸你核定了藍線你也核定了那還有橘線紫線環狀線那臺東市政府提出中科二期的沿外道路甚至還有呢經濟部水利署的水環境改善工程等等我只是希望說院長臺東市政府提出來其實我們還有更多需要\n861527\t867350\t我們中央跟地方一定是合作,特別是台中市政府在您的建立之下有很多需要建設的地方。\n882799\t908889\t那很重要的一件事情我們看看是在可行性評估或者是在綜合規劃的等等我們會努力來加趕緊這個行程。院長最後30秒我希望我們政府要為孩子跟年輕家庭做更多因為台中市政府提出希望我們營養午餐全國都能夠一致化如果把它視為兒童福利政策那我覺得行政院值得思考\n909389\t921923\t再來我們對少子女化的對策我覺得這個行政院真的要再更努力更加強所以為孩子為年輕家庭做更多才能夠解決我們少子女化的問題好不好院長我們全力以赴謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝院長。那我們是不是請陳建仁陳院長。請陳院長備詢。\n議員長,我今天的質詢最重要的是focus在我們中央地方合作那對於民生建設經濟的議題那首先民生最關心的是臺中的那一塊天選之樓我們政府對於食安的態度所以呢我們必須要給人民一個真相一個最好的說明那我記得那時候我們行政院說這個整個臺糖瘦肉精的這個專家會議食安辦會在3月統一的來說明結果\n那院長不知道3月到了那大概是什麼時候我們會得到比較完整的說明好現在我已經有收到農業部的專家委員會的一個開完了嗎報告開完了\n那衛福部這邊我請部長來說明一下。這一個部分的話目前正在簽辦,那應該是這兩天就會送到行政院,就會到行政院,會有行政院統一來去說明。那大概院長,你像部長這樣說,你覺得大概多久的時間?\n我想大概我希望是在這個禮拜內我們就這個禮拜內好不好我們食安辦竟然專家會已經開完了那衛福部也已經簽成上行政院這兩天就會到了那我想院長是專家是科學家那長久以來也非常的重視我們食安那為了要給國人一個信心跟安心我覺得這個真的要盡快的做一個\n安民心。這個是民生最關心的。除了這樣子我們要挺台灣本土豬。我知道之前副院長有跟我們盧市長約要去台中吃鍋。副院長對不對點頭搖頭。約了嗎?\n這也是一個很有趣的安排\n可以嗎?你有時間是不是來邀請我們台中市所有的立委?總質詢結束以後我來安排。好,那我就等你敲定時間我們來挺台灣本土豬。那我為什麼會這樣說?因為院長是一個\n溫暖兼任的內閣那看到你大家都叫到大仁哥非常溫暖所以在你上任的100天的時候我記得我還把你的八張圖卡通通還留下來所以你把八項打造內政、教育、近隣轉型、外交、交通、義後特別預算及文化等等這八張的圖卡樣樣都說明了上任100天的時候你的政績那我想有的是非常的有感\n目前的財政狀況很可能需要用來補貼健保、勞保還有台電那如果這三個還有餘裕的話有沒有可能?\n我們就要看看明年後年的經濟狀況。但是今年的情形確實我們的勞保需要有很好的保障,還有台電,因為台電他在作為物價上升的消波塊,他確實需要我們政府要有補貼。\n所以勞保當然勞保是大家非常關心的也是要勞工的命脈因為勞保基金政府要負最後的責任嘛那也是要安定所有勞工的心嘛那第二個當然這我知道會有有感第二個台電當然不可以倒啦但是呢電價穩定民生電價動漲是不是能夠繼續我覺得這是攸關民生經濟一個最重要的議題嘛\n我覺得建議院長我們要推出有感又便民的政策我剛剛舉了經濟成果全民共享所以普發現金那個是非常有感的政策如果財政真的有餘裕可以的話我是建議可以來思考再來發一次那第二個其實現在在推的這個私立大專校院的這個學雜費的補助直接在這個\n我只是希望說我們的溫暖堅韌內閣雖然我不認為我們現在這個時段叫做看守內閣我覺得我們\n應該說,做一天和尚敲一天鐘,我們一定要盡心盡力堅守到最後一刻,因為這是我們內閣的職責,也是院長的一個責任。我希望前後內閣有一個無縫的結尾。是,那我要跟院長報告,你到現在今天是就任第400天,我幫你算了一下。謝謝。剛剛那幾項讓人民很有感,那確實大家拍手叫好,不過我也必須要提醒,我在基層,\n大家現在普遍對我們政府做的還不夠的怨言最多的一個是毒品氾濫一個就是詐騙我們的打詐國家隊依然讓人家覺得不夠信任大家還是質疑政府的打詐能力不夠所以我們打詐無法雖然三賭啦可是在執行面上\n還是要深切地去檢討為什麼讓人民還不夠信任政府的打詐的能力?院長你認為問題出在哪裡?我想問題大概有幾個因為現在民眾還是接收到不少的這個詐騙的簡訊等等那怎麼樣讓大家這樣的壓力能夠減少那第二個呢一個民眾像今天早上的時候也有委員提到說這個打詐的這個\n此法則,處罰,宣判以後處罰得太低了,沒有辦法有效地來打擊詐騙。當然還有很多方面我們應該來努力,這一個部分我們一定會充分地來做好施詐。\n我是建議院長我們打詐國家對各個部會的第一個職責要分工確定的非常的清楚第二個分工確立清楚之後責任也就跟著來了那責任我們在怎麼樣的究責該怎麼樣去推動這些打詐的一些績效我覺得這很重要而且最重要是要讓人民有感要讓人民有感那詐騙無所不在但是雖然防不勝防\n如果政府各單位有盡心盡力做到讓人民有感說我是真的被打擊犯罪打擊詐騙集團那我覺得人民也會肯定政府也會拍手叫好\n這個我們來做好跨部會的合作這個細節我是不是再請行政院這邊再給我一個打造國家對到底最近的成效如何我們給一個書面的報告對好一個書面報告給我那最後接下來我就職的這一屆就職的第一天我們就接到台中市政府有來函當然身為台中市的立委我想不分黨派就如同院長所講的這很多的重大建設必須要中央地方一起合作對我同意\n台中市有提出第一個財政收支劃分法少子女對策道交管理事件的統一財閥基準都市計劃法還有台中各項建設我就一個一個來為地方來磨福利爭取預算這天經地義當然我要反映基層跟民眾的需求是我的職責第一個修財劃法不知道院長有沒有我們行政院這一邊\n有沒有打算那目前有沒有接收到多少其他的地方政府提出希望能夠修才化法確實有不少的地方政府有提出這樣的建議但是因為才化法的修正其實知識體大而且每一個地方政府的意見又不一樣比如說六都有六都的看法甚至六都裡面台北有台北的看法高雄有高雄的看法所以這裡面確實是需要\n要解釋一下。\n來部長\n是,跟委員說明一下,對於財化法的修正,我們也聽到了各縣市政府的意見。財政部也擬聚了六項修法的原則。這個六項修法原則也有跟地方政府做說明。我們從去年也已經含詢各地方政府在分配上,因為他們最在乎的是分配。\n那分配的指標上比如說像財政能力以及基本建設的一個需求面提出來哪一些分配需要的一些指標那目前來說各地方政府的意見回來但是差距都很大那在對這個差距這麼大部分財政部會在邀請地方政府來做討論我們希望把差距我想在近期內我們會把這個彙整出來以後\n請大家來再來一個說明然後把希望能夠把差距能夠盡量的一個縮小然後有一個共識對就尋求一個共識我現在要求的是要尋求共識的步驟tempo可不可以抓快一點要及協商的時間盡快排定一次不行兩次兩次不行三次我們希望把各地方政府爸爸跟院長講的六都的\n是,是,是,好的,好,是\n台中市政府第二個有講的其實是現在基層最關心的這個我們現在的交通交通的問題我想基層的民院院長應該也都知道那台中市政府有來文說他們警政單位希望修違反道路交通管理事件統一裁罰基準及處理細則\n阿其實院長你也知道這個東西是叫做行政命令啦最重要的是要解決的是什麼解決的是現在的交通祭典以及所謂的選舉的相關的一些配套我們應該怎麼調整還有呢在行人安全跟道路安全\n我想我們對於這個交通祭典相關的這些行政命令我們已經有請交通部在研議而且除了這個研議還不過我們現在可能還有道交條例的這個\n您聽說我們這個禮拜四行政院院會就有可能﹖對對對 院會就會有完整的考慮那除了這個執法的這個部分以外另外一個就是交通設施條例我們也要修譬如說一條道路應該有林庭區啊等等的那這個也一定要從工程教育跟執法面三個合在一起所以我們禮拜四﹖而且必須要地方政府的配合\n對,對,對。我們這個禮拜四的時候就會有更通盤的考量。我們也希望提出來以後在需要修法的部分在大院這邊能夠得到所有朝野委員的支持。\n我想剛剛院長所講的大部分的人都會同意我們希望在行人安全道路安全在最第一優先的情況之下去減少降低或調整一些人民院的地方那當然守法很重要但是要求人民守法之前我們必須要把一些該做的要先做好所以中央地方要好好的把什麼道路基本的設計交通\n院長接著台中的重大建設\n我想捷運系統不管是綠線的延伸你核定了藍線你也核定了那還有橘線紫線環狀線那臺東市政府提出中科二期的沿外道路甚至還有呢經濟部水利署的水環境改善工程等等我只是希望說院長臺東市政府提出來其實我們還有更多需要\n我們中央跟地方一定是合作,特別是台中市政府在您的建立之下有很多需要建設的地方。\n那很重要的一件事情我們看看是在可行性評估或者是在綜合規劃的等等我們會努力來加趕緊這個行程。院長最後30秒我希望我們政府要為孩子跟年輕家庭做更多因為台中市政府提出希望我們營養午餐全國都能夠一致化如果把它視為兒童福利政策那我覺得行政院值得思考\n再來我們對少子女化的對策我覺得這個行政院真的要再更努力更加強所以為孩子為年輕家庭做更多才能夠解決我們少子女化的問題好不好院長我們全力以赴謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.642 --> 00:12.387\n謝謝院長。那我們是不是請陳建仁陳院長。請陳院長備詢。\n\n00:20.853 --> 00:45.390\n議員長,我今天的質詢最重要的是focus在我們中央地方合作那對於民生建設經濟的議題那首先民生最關心的是臺中的那一塊天選之樓我們政府對於食安的態度所以呢我們必須要給人民一個真相一個最好的說明那我記得那時候我們行政院說這個整個臺糖瘦肉精的這個專家會議食安辦會在3月統一的來說明結果\n\n00:50.333 --> 01:03.651\n那院長不知道3月到了那大概是什麼時候我們會得到比較完整的說明好現在我已經有收到農業部的專家委員會的一個開完了嗎報告開完了\n\n01:04.076 --> 01:22.890\n那衛福部這邊我請部長來說明一下。這一個部分的話目前正在簽辦,那應該是這兩天就會送到行政院,就會到行政院,會有行政院統一來去說明。那大概院長,你像部長這樣說,你覺得大概多久的時間?\n\n01:23.570 --> 01:46.372\n我想大概我希望是在這個禮拜內我們就這個禮拜內好不好我們食安辦竟然專家會已經開完了那衛福部也已經簽成上行政院這兩天就會到了那我想院長是專家是科學家那長久以來也非常的重視我們食安那為了要給國人一個信心跟安心我覺得這個真的要盡快的做一個\n\n01:48.193 --> 02:00.082\n安民心。這個是民生最關心的。除了這樣子我們要挺台灣本土豬。我知道之前副院長有跟我們盧市長約要去台中吃鍋。副院長對不對點頭搖頭。約了嗎?\n\n02:06.104 --> 02:07.605\n這也是一個很有趣的安排\n\n02:28.151 --> 02:41.976\n可以嗎?你有時間是不是來邀請我們台中市所有的立委?總質詢結束以後我來安排。好,那我就等你敲定時間我們來挺台灣本土豬。那我為什麼會這樣說?因為院長是一個\n\n02:44.016 --> 03:12.486\n溫暖兼任的內閣那看到你大家都叫到大仁哥非常溫暖所以在你上任的100天的時候我記得我還把你的八張圖卡通通還留下來所以你把八項打造內政、教育、近隣轉型、外交、交通、義後特別預算及文化等等這八張的圖卡樣樣都說明了上任100天的時候你的政績那我想有的是非常的有感\n\n03:13.106 --> 03:18.031\n目前的財政狀況很可能需要用來補貼健保、勞保還有台電那如果這三個還有餘裕的話有沒有可能?\n\n03:37.862 --> 03:55.632\n我們就要看看明年後年的經濟狀況。但是今年的情形確實我們的勞保需要有很好的保障,還有台電,因為台電他在作為物價上升的消波塊,他確實需要我們政府要有補貼。\n\n03:56.693 --> 04:18.994\n所以勞保當然勞保是大家非常關心的也是要勞工的命脈因為勞保基金政府要負最後的責任嘛那也是要安定所有勞工的心嘛那第二個當然這我知道會有有感第二個台電當然不可以倒啦但是呢電價穩定民生電價動漲是不是能夠繼續我覺得這是攸關民生經濟一個最重要的議題嘛\n\n04:19.834 --> 04:43.047\n我覺得建議院長我們要推出有感又便民的政策我剛剛舉了經濟成果全民共享所以普發現金那個是非常有感的政策如果財政真的有餘裕可以的話我是建議可以來思考再來發一次那第二個其實現在在推的這個私立大專校院的這個學雜費的補助直接在這個\n\n04:44.428 --> 04:48.609\n我只是希望說我們的溫暖堅韌內閣雖然我不認為我們現在這個時段叫做看守內閣我覺得我們\n\n05:12.394 --> 05:39.841\n應該說,做一天和尚敲一天鐘,我們一定要盡心盡力堅守到最後一刻,因為這是我們內閣的職責,也是院長的一個責任。我希望前後內閣有一個無縫的結尾。是,那我要跟院長報告,你到現在今天是就任第400天,我幫你算了一下。謝謝。剛剛那幾項讓人民很有感,那確實大家拍手叫好,不過我也必須要提醒,我在基層,\n\n05:41.161 --> 06:02.743\n大家現在普遍對我們政府做的還不夠的怨言最多的一個是毒品氾濫一個就是詐騙我們的打詐國家隊依然讓人家覺得不夠信任大家還是質疑政府的打詐能力不夠所以我們打詐無法雖然三賭啦可是在執行面上\n\n06:03.864 --> 06:28.913\n還是要深切地去檢討為什麼讓人民還不夠信任政府的打詐的能力?院長你認為問題出在哪裡?我想問題大概有幾個因為現在民眾還是接收到不少的這個詐騙的簡訊等等那怎麼樣讓大家這樣的壓力能夠減少那第二個呢一個民眾像今天早上的時候也有委員提到說這個打詐的這個\n\n06:35.055 --> 06:53.975\n此法則,處罰,宣判以後處罰得太低了,沒有辦法有效地來打擊詐騙。當然還有很多方面我們應該來努力,這一個部分我們一定會充分地來做好施詐。\n\n06:55.236 --> 07:21.684\n我是建議院長我們打詐國家對各個部會的第一個職責要分工確定的非常的清楚第二個分工確立清楚之後責任也就跟著來了那責任我們在怎麼樣的究責該怎麼樣去推動這些打詐的一些績效我覺得這很重要而且最重要是要讓人民有感要讓人民有感那詐騙無所不在但是雖然防不勝防\n\n07:22.364 --> 07:34.926\n如果政府各單位有盡心盡力做到讓人民有感說我是真的被打擊犯罪打擊詐騙集團那我覺得人民也會肯定政府也會拍手叫好\n\n07:35.493 --> 08:03.030\n這個我們來做好跨部會的合作這個細節我是不是再請行政院這邊再給我一個打造國家對到底最近的成效如何我們給一個書面的報告對好一個書面報告給我那最後接下來我就職的這一屆就職的第一天我們就接到台中市政府有來函當然身為台中市的立委我想不分黨派就如同院長所講的這很多的重大建設必須要中央地方一起合作對我同意\n\n08:04.090 --> 08:29.658\n台中市有提出第一個財政收支劃分法少子女對策道交管理事件的統一財閥基準都市計劃法還有台中各項建設我就一個一個來為地方來磨福利爭取預算這天經地義當然我要反映基層跟民眾的需求是我的職責第一個修財劃法不知道院長有沒有我們行政院這一邊\n\n08:31.158 --> 08:57.647\n有沒有打算那目前有沒有接收到多少其他的地方政府提出希望能夠修才化法確實有不少的地方政府有提出這樣的建議但是因為才化法的修正其實知識體大而且每一個地方政府的意見又不一樣比如說六都有六都的看法甚至六都裡面台北有台北的看法高雄有高雄的看法所以這裡面確實是需要\n\n08:58.727 --> 08:58.967\n要解釋一下。\n\n09:27.691 --> 09:27.711\n來部長\n\n09:49.235 --> 10:08.349\n是,跟委員說明一下,對於財化法的修正,我們也聽到了各縣市政府的意見。財政部也擬聚了六項修法的原則。這個六項修法原則也有跟地方政府做說明。我們從去年也已經含詢各地方政府在分配上,因為他們最在乎的是分配。\n\n10:08.809 --> 10:28.903\n那分配的指標上比如說像財政能力以及基本建設的一個需求面提出來哪一些分配需要的一些指標那目前來說各地方政府的意見回來但是差距都很大那在對這個差距這麼大部分財政部會在邀請地方政府來做討論我們希望把差距我想在近期內我們會把這個彙整出來以後\n\n10:31.344 --> 10:54.827\n請大家來再來一個說明然後把希望能夠把差距能夠盡量的一個縮小然後有一個共識對就尋求一個共識我現在要求的是要尋求共識的步驟tempo可不可以抓快一點要及協商的時間盡快排定一次不行兩次兩次不行三次我們希望把各地方政府爸爸跟院長講的六都的\n\n10:55.848 --> 10:56.148\n是,是,是,好的,好,是\n\n11:20.342 --> 11:41.418\n台中市政府第二個有講的其實是現在基層最關心的這個我們現在的交通交通的問題我想基層的民院院長應該也都知道那台中市政府有來文說他們警政單位希望修違反道路交通管理事件統一裁罰基準及處理細則\n\n11:42.899 --> 12:00.539\n阿其實院長你也知道這個東西是叫做行政命令啦最重要的是要解決的是什麼解決的是現在的交通祭典以及所謂的選舉的相關的一些配套我們應該怎麼調整還有呢在行人安全跟道路安全\n\n12:00.999 --> 12:06.844\n我想我們對於這個交通祭典相關的這些行政命令我們已經有請交通部在研議而且除了這個研議還不過我們現在可能還有道交條例的這個\n\n12:23.136 --> 12:48.383\n您聽說我們這個禮拜四行政院院會就有可能﹖對對對院會就會有完整的考慮那除了這個執法的這個部分以外另外一個就是交通設施條例我們也要修譬如說一條道路應該有林庭區啊等等的那這個也一定要從工程教育跟執法面三個合在一起所以我們禮拜四﹖而且必須要地方政府的配合\n\n12:50.184 --> 13:02.850\n對,對,對。我們這個禮拜四的時候就會有更通盤的考量。我們也希望提出來以後在需要修法的部分在大院這邊能夠得到所有朝野委員的支持。\n\n13:04.087 --> 13:31.059\n我想剛剛院長所講的大部分的人都會同意我們希望在行人安全道路安全在最第一優先的情況之下去減少降低或調整一些人民院的地方那當然守法很重要但是要求人民守法之前我們必須要把一些該做的要先做好所以中央地方要好好的把什麼道路基本的設計交通\n\n13:33.360 --> 13:34.982\n院長接著台中的重大建設\n\n14:00.936 --> 14:21.267\n我想捷運系統不管是綠線的延伸你核定了藍線你也核定了那還有橘線紫線環狀線那臺東市政府提出中科二期的沿外道路甚至還有呢經濟部水利署的水環境改善工程等等我只是希望說院長臺東市政府提出來其實我們還有更多需要\n\n14:21.527 --> 14:27.350\n我們中央跟地方一定是合作,特別是台中市政府在您的建立之下有很多需要建設的地方。\n\n14:42.799 --> 15:08.889\n那很重要的一件事情我們看看是在可行性評估或者是在綜合規劃的等等我們會努力來加趕緊這個行程。院長最後30秒我希望我們政府要為孩子跟年輕家庭做更多因為台中市政府提出希望我們營養午餐全國都能夠一致化如果把它視為兒童福利政策那我覺得行政院值得思考\n\n15:09.389 --> 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