{"id":149324,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149324","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d6f3e02e0bf46d5edf81808c0b3da56d886681d5001d2e43f8ba9b0039caa7a6e3f8b6feb59555205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"張智倫","委員發言時間":"16:54:54 - 17:25:46","影片長度":"00:30:52","會議時間":"2024-03-05T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第3次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n 二、3月1日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。\n 三、3月5日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第3次會議","id":"院會-11-1-3","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":3},"date":"2024-03-05","duration":1852,"end_time":"2024-03-05T17:25:46+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-05T16:54:54+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":804,"blocks":[["張委員智倫：（16時55分）好，謝謝院長，各位部會首長大家好。是不是請陳建仁院長？"],["主席：請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：張委員好，恭喜你當選立委。"],["張委員智倫：謝謝院長。院長，想先請教您一下剛剛發布的新聞，關於金廈水域陸船翻覆的事件，大陸的家屬以及談判的代表聽說已經回到大陸了，談判破裂了，不曉得院長知道這件事情嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我知道這件事情，這件事情剛才也有委員提起，我們在中華民國的海域裡面來加強三無船隻的侵擾、加以調查跟驅離，我想是理所當然的，也應該執法，而且這也是大家的共識。"],["張委員智倫：院長後續還會做什麼樣的處理嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我想後續的這個處理的情況，我請海委會的主委來回答。"],["管主任委員碧玲：謝謝委員。跟委員報告，我們還是會一本誠意，希望能夠用開放的態度，儘快地來化解歧見。相關的未來發展，我們會在做總體研商之後，持續地來聯繫。當然，我們最希望的是這個案情能夠回歸司法的偵查，然後能夠趕快釐清真相，我想釐清真相對於未來的發展是最重要的關鍵，如果我們能夠趕快早日釐清真相，那麼雙方的共識才能夠有一個共同的基礎。目前因為我們國家的法制，要去釐清真相是需要透過司法的過程，但是對方很希望要有真相、要有賠償、要有道歉，所以在這種兩岸之間制度落差這麼大的時候，真的談下來，其實要非常地努力，雙方都很希望能夠趕快有共識，也朝向一條一條的障礙去化解，然後又有新的訴求在溝通。有幾個訴求其實已經幾乎是有共識的，但是最後還是卡在這個制度面，所以我想能夠趕快地來還原真相，對於未來的發展是最重要的、最有幫助的部分。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝管主委。"],["管主任委員碧玲：謝謝。"],["張委員智倫：接下來就進行到我質詢的部分。首先要跟院長報告，我來自新北中和選區，我是這次新當選的立法委員。要跟院長報告，中和地區地狹人稠，它在新北市占的土地面積大概將近1%，可是卻容納了大概十分之一，40萬人的人口，所以地狹人稠。本席要跟院長報告，我們中和當時的建設是比都市計畫還要早期的，所以現在交通的議題需要儘快地來協助處理。","中和分為四個區，分別為秀安、南勢、漳和及員山區，員山地區也是我們韓院長過去的家鄉。員山地區過去的基礎建設，尤其大眾交通工具是明顯不足的，在政府的努力之下，最近有一條新的捷運叫做泰板輕軌會接到中和。泰板輕軌是從泰山到新莊，從板橋綠廊到中和，可是很可惜的，它的終點站剛好連接到中和的莒光站。我們這邊覺得說是不是可以請院長跟交通部這邊來協助？我們員山地區因為人口比較多，輕軌的部分如果只有一個站，而輕軌只有到莒光捷運站，事實上是比較可惜的，是不是可以請院長跟部長這邊來協助？"],["陳院長建仁：好，我想輕軌的這個部分要設哪些站，是要由地方政府來提出它的建議，我們這邊再看看可行性的評估是怎麼樣，然後再來進行。"],["張委員智倫：好，這邊也跟院長報告，目前在我們的努力之下，因為從板橋接到中和莒光站這一站，中間剛好經過我們中和的壽德新村，壽德新村那邊因為是屬於我們的眷村，老年人口很多，所以在大家的努力之下，政府是有核定新的一個叫做壽德站，就是未來會增加一個新的站體，壽德站的出口，也感謝這邊的幫忙。我們希望到了我們中和的莒光站，因為莒光路這條路非常的長，未來我們希望還可以再往莒光路的北邊來延伸，延伸到國光派出所這邊，變成國光站，讓我們中和員山地區的民眾可以有一個比較方便的交通狀況。所以我希望院長這邊可以來協助我們，而且我們員山地區未來也會興建兩個社會住宅，人口會變得非常的多。"],["陳院長建仁：交通的建設都是中央地方要來攜手合作，剛才我已經講過要增設這兩個站，那當然地方政府要提出它的計畫，讓我們中央這邊來做相關的審議，這個部分我也請部長簡單的說明一下。"],["王部長國材：跟委員報告，現在泰板輕軌主要是跟萬大─中和─樹林線連接，莒光站嘛！剛才有談到包括壽德新村的需求，因為它現在做可行性是新北市政府提出來的，所以我想說你這個意見也跟新北市政府提，我們也會按照我們的行政程序來審查。"],["張委員智倫：好，OK，那麻煩部長這邊再協助。","第二個重點，我剛剛一直提到中和的人口眾多，有關於國道3號中和出口的部分，其實也是民眾常常很多人壅塞在這邊，跟院長報告，在我們中和國道3號，中和就只有一個交流道，基本上車潮非常的多，每個小時會超過2,000部的車潮，而且時間長達7個小時，所以院長如果有機會經過中和，只要下交流道就會發現那邊人都堵車堵得非常嚴重。","最近也要感謝我們交通部高公局有做一個協助，有關於南向的部分，因為當時我們中和的交流道，很多南向的人要到中和上班的時候，發現很多人都堵在外線的一個車道，在這邊堵車，導致車潮非常的擁擠。比較遵守規定的人就在外線第一個車道排隊，比較會開車的人都走外線第二個車道插隊插進去，有很多人在1999反映，後來高工局就一不做二不休，把原本這個出口外面的雙白線給延伸。結果沒有延伸還好，一延伸以後，原本從外線二車道插隊的人就比較不敢插隊了，導致塞車變成大概3到5公里的狀況，變成塞車更嚴重。我想高工局這邊也有提早做反應，把最內側路肩的部分改成雙車道，從中和出口延伸2.5公里這個部分做一個車道的分流，把原本路肩的部分改成雙車道。基本上來講，這個預算大概是花高公局3,500萬，在3月底的時候會完成通車。","這邊也要拜託院長，不管跟在跟新北市政府的溝通以及道路標誌的劃線，特別要注意不要在這段時間內造成用路人，尤其是在高速公路上的一些危險，這邊要拜託院長來協助，可以嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：這些剛才講的有一些調整的工程的部分，是在今年3月底的時候就會完工了，這是比較短期的部分；那我們中長期的話，可能需要有一個改善的計畫，要做可行性的評估。當然目前只有做短期改善，先來著手，確實那裡很塞車，我們大家都很清楚，我們怎麼樣來做的話，我想我要再次強調，中央地方還是要來攜手合作。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝院長。","接下來要跟您報告，這只是國道3號中和出口目前應急的一個解決方案，其實現在高公局有提出一個14.9億的中長期計畫，希望在不管是南下北上的部分做一個14.9億的改善工程，主要是在南下的部分增設一個匝道，讓它可以直接連接板橋的出口。因為過去一直以來，不管是南下跟北上，是造成一個南下北上有交織的一個問題，導致很多人就會塞車塞在那邊，現在已經有做一個規劃的改善，不管是南下它會做一個往板橋的匝道的出口，或是北上它會增加一個新的車道，可是本席要拜託院長的部分，就是我聽說這個整個案子，現在是交通部送可行性評估報告到行政院……"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["張委員智倫：可是行政院這邊需要長達7年的時間，才能讓整個案子去完成，就本席而言，就我剛剛跟您報告的部分，我覺得這整個改善的部分，不管是新增匝道，或者是增加一個車道的部分，應該不會花這麼久的時間，需要長達7年的時間。這邊拜託院長跟部長，是不是可以儘量來縮短整個工程的時間？"],["陳院長建仁：委員，你看在這個項次裡面有一個不同的期程，實際上施工跟驗收是30個月，可是前面還有一些的期程，譬如說用地的取得就要1年，還有工程設計等等的。所以我們如果能夠儘量來縮短，我們就儘量縮短，但是我也要強調，有一些事情是地方政府要來搭配的，那我們也希望它能夠搭配。"],["張委員智倫：這個全部都是高公局……"],["陳院長建仁：還有工程建設的時候，要有交通的維護，這個部分也需要地方來一起努力，我想需要大家一起努力才有辦法把這個期程縮小，我們當然也是越快越好。"],["張委員智倫：要拜託院長，就像現在已經送到行政院做可行性評估報告……"],["陳院長建仁：國發會，我們現在在國發會審查當中。"],["張委員智倫：也就是說光是我們行政部會核定的部分，其實我覺得不需要長達1年的時間，其實可以加速。"],["陳院長建仁：我們儘可能來進行啦！但是我也要跟委員報告，所有的工程在審查的過程當中，我們都是很謹慎，希望在審查時能夠很完整，以後就會進行得更順利。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：報告委員我補充一下，我們事實上已經報院了，在2月23號的時候，可行性這個應該算是OK，沒有問題。但是後續可行性完以後，牽涉到剛才有提到，最麻煩的事應該是用地取得跟環評。"],["張委員智倫：我請教一下，行政院大概多久會核定可行性評估報告？"],["龔主任委員明鑫：不是，因為用地取得跟環評是地方政府要做的事情。"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：如果地方政府這個部分做得快的話，那個工程就會順利很快。"],["張委員智倫：我請問一下可行性評估報告，大概院要花多久時間核定？"],["龔主任委員明鑫：通常我們送院，院沒有意見，大概很快就會核。"],["陳院長建仁：對啦！"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝，那再拜託，這要儘快的核定，因為我覺得這樣的工程需要長達7年，很多要坐到中和的鄉親或中和人要再等待這7年的時間，事實上蠻長的。"],["陳院長建仁：我們會儘速來辦理啦，也就是說各方面都要努力啦，不是只有中央這邊努力而已，那個土地徵收其實也是一個很大的挑戰喔！如我前面說明的。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝院長。第三個……"],["陳院長建仁：委員也可以幫忙協調啦！"],["張委員智倫：會、會、會，我會來協調！第三個是我最重視的部分，也是我覺得目前一直沒有進展的一個部分，就是中和南勢角聯外道路的問題。大家都知道我們中和有一個非常知名的地標，叫「烘爐地」，是拜土地公的，只要逢年過節就會有很多中和的鄉親或是外地來的好朋友到烘爐地來拜拜。可是大家都知道，南勢角的地形比較特別，尤其它整個交通狀況是屬於比較葫蘆形狀的，就是進去的口很窄，可是腹地很大。所以這邊要拜託我們院長，南勢角聯外道路，我們是希望可以往東做一個可以連往安坑，接往中安大橋，讓很多不管是中和的鄉親或是外地來的朋友，不要從國道3號的出口進來，然後從同一個路出去。如果可以有一個聯外道路，實際上是可以讓很多外來的好朋友、來參拜的好朋友，他其實可以順這個聯外道路就出去了。可是目前來看，不管是中央跟地方，其實雙方面好像沒有一個共識喔！請教部長這邊是不是可以協助？"],["陳院長建仁：這個就是我剛才提的，你如果說交通的建設要來改善等等，地方一定有提出它的計畫，提出計畫來以後，實際上它也可以申請我們生活圈道路改善的計畫，這方面一定要有很好的溝通。所以你提出來的南勢角交通管理跟改善規劃，這一個規劃，是請民間來做的嘛？在做的過程當中，我想一定要考慮到相關的可行性，如果需要中央幫忙，我們一定幫忙，但是這件事情應該是地方政府扮演比較重要的角色。"],["張委員智倫：我這邊要拜託院長，其實在民國97年就做過可行性評估報告，在110年又花了700萬……"],["陳院長建仁：又再做了一次。"],["張委員智倫：又再做了一次可行性評估報告，不管是我上一任的立法委員，其實他也是認同這樣的計畫。"],["陳院長建仁：委員，你掌握的很精準，其實現在中和最大的問題，它的交通的改善就是像我們常常講的「穿著西裝改西裝」，困難的地方就在這裡，所以很多可行性評估即使做出來以後，未來要施工進行時也有很多的考量，這個我們一起來努力啦！"],["張委員智倫：這邊真的要拜託院長，像我們常去木柵動物園，木柵動物園過去跟臺北101有做一個信義隧道，打通文山地區、木柵動物園跟101，讓整個交通變得非常順暢，所以真的拜託院長，這個案子我一定會常常跟你請益，要拜託你多多幫我們關心。","接下來，我要請教院長有關於揭弊的問題，就是國人去年一直擔心的問題，當時很多民眾認為他們買到巴西進口雞蛋的問題，很多人認為這都是有問題的雞蛋，所以這邊我要請教一下院長相關的問題。"],["陳院長建仁：這是不正確的講法啦！"],["張委員智倫：我先請教院長，當時這家公司叫做超思有限公司，它當時的資本額50萬，負責人叫秦語喬，出資才1,000塊，請問一下，當時你們為什麼會找這家公司來進口巴西的雞蛋？"],["陳院長建仁：我先簡單講一下，實際上超思公司本身的老闆對於雞蛋的進出口很有經驗，不要看那個資本額，實際上他本身的資金也相當夠，所以大家都講這樣是不對的，這是一個錯誤的看法，我請我們的部長跟你報告。"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，當初我們在雞蛋緊急進口時，針對貿易商，因為過去臺灣對於國外進口雞蛋都沒有這樣的經驗，所以我們尋找的是一個有經驗、曾經進口雞蛋到臺灣的這些業者，另外他本身……"],["張委員智倫：請問一下，超思過去有從巴西進口到臺灣的經驗嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：他沒有，但是他有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗，因為……"],["張委員智倫：當時什麼時候進口雞蛋到臺灣？"],["陳代理部長駿季：他應該在111年的時候就有進口雞蛋到臺灣。"],["張委員智倫：進口哪一個國家的雞蛋？"],["陳代理部長駿季：日本到臺灣的雞蛋。"],["陳院長建仁：他也有幫日本……"],["張委員智倫：這就是我要請問……"],["陳院長建仁：從巴西進口蛋到日本，他有這個經驗。"],["張委員智倫：沒有，剛剛講的是說，他是從日本……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想要跟委員說明……"],["張委員智倫：先稍等一下，我要請教院長的是，當時超思好像111年5月份才成立，他才成立2個月，其實國人不知道的是，當時為什麼畜產會會請超思進口日本的雞蛋，進口一千多顆的雞蛋？"],["陳代理部長駿季：那時候超思本身在蛋品界其實相當有名，當時他在日本也做日本的生意，所以他也協助日本，那時候因為……"],["張委員智倫：院長，我跟你請教，他才成立2個月，他的實力是什麼？"],["陳代理部長駿季：所以我才說……"],["張委員智倫：那我先請教一下院長……"],["陳院長建仁：他本來就已經有經驗，他設公司是一回事，可是他以往的進口經驗就是在處理雞蛋，你到南部去看，這是一個很有名的蛋商……"],["張委員智倫：我要跟院長報告的事情，我請教一下，我們都知道對於超思，當時在111年的時候，農業部長陳吉仲跟人民說那時候是不缺蛋的，可是不曉得為什麼要請超思從日本進口一千多萬顆的雞蛋？我先請教一下，這些雞蛋一顆進口大概多少錢？"],["陳代理部長駿季：因為111年的時候並沒有專案，112年時專案進口，111年因為剛好……"],["張委員智倫：我請教一下，一顆雞蛋大概進口是多少錢？"],["陳代理部長駿季：他本身報價大概一箱是55，所以換算起來是7.6到10塊之間，大概是這樣的價錢。"],["張委員智倫：這跟我本身得到的資訊不太一樣，基本上我跟農業部要相關的報價單和所有的資料，其實農業部都不敢提供給我，這就是我覺得最納悶的地方……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想跟委員說明……"],["張委員智倫：我請教一下，為什麼畜產會他們本身沒有能力從巴西進口雞蛋，一定要拜託超思？那時候他是一個剛成立兩個月的公司。"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員說明，過往臺灣國產的雞蛋可以滿足百分之百，畜產會本身是做產銷調節的，都是在國內的雞蛋之間來做調度，2月間因為全球都有發生蛋荒，那個時候甚至於已經達到搶蛋這樣一個情況……"],["張委員智倫：是111年的時候？"],["陳代理部長駿季：112年的時候。"],["張委員智倫：我剛剛跟您報告，畜產會請超思買雞蛋是在111年，請它進口……"],["陳代理部長駿季：110年有部分做調節的時候，他就有去買。"],["張委員智倫：對，所以我請問的是，為什麼當時畜產會他不親自去買日本的雞蛋，而是要透過超思去買日本的雞蛋？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我想很多的雞蛋貿易本身，你要對雞蛋的貿易是有熟悉的，因為……"],["張委員智倫：為什麼畜產會沒有這樣的能力？每年國人給了這麼多的預算，以及畜產會有這麼多的人員，而且當時我們知道的是，日本的雞蛋其實比其他東南亞國家來得貴。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，那時候因為……"],["張委員智倫：簡單來講，我跟院長報告，這樣就會讓國人認為，其實是有圖利而且有偏愛超思這樣子的情形，請院長回答。"],["陳院長建仁：好，我想很重要的，畜產會所有的職掌當中，很重要的一個職掌是以調節我們豬肉的供應為主，雞蛋的進口是一個專業，我們不要忘掉這是一個專業，不是我們到超市、市場買一盒雞蛋回來這樣子……"],["張委員智倫：我請教一下院長……"],["陳院長建仁：要有國際廠商的連結才有辦法去處理，我們中央畜產會並沒有這樣一個向國際進口雞蛋的經驗，他沒有！"],["張委員智倫：為什麼不請其他廠商，一定要請超思來進口？"],["陳院長建仁：就是我剛才講過……"],["陳代理部長駿季：當初其實我們都有洽詢了非常多的貿易商，以我們的瞭解……"],["張委員智倫：當時還不是很缺雞蛋的時候吧？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，但是它不像112年3月，就是去年3月那麼的嚴重，那時候還有一些波動，所以當國內的調度沒有辦法滿足的時候，那時候畜產會有一部分是透過貿易商從日本先調度，就是……"],["張委員智倫：就是畜產會請超思從日本先購買1,000多萬顆的雞蛋嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，他買了以後，他不是用合約的方式……"],["張委員智倫：請問一顆的價格大概是買多少錢？你剛剛講的大概是多少錢？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們講的是平均，那時候大概是7.6塊到10塊之間。"],["張委員智倫：包含關稅跟……"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，不包含關稅的部分，我們是用買斷的，詳細的資料，我想我們如果能夠瞭解的話……"],["陳院長建仁：會後再給委員，詳細的數字不太容易記得啦！"],["陳代理部長駿季：所以我也跟委員說明，以我的態度，就是我們能夠公開的、可以提供給委員的，我們絕對不會惡意的，就是故意的不提供，但因為有一些相關的資訊，符合政府資訊公開法的部分，它有不適合提供的，我們才不會提供，特別是牽扯到它本身貿易之間的這些廠商他們相關的營業秘密，我們才不會提供。"],["張委員智倫：所以會後可以提供我超思當時進口日本雞蛋的報價單？"],["陳代理部長駿季：那個價格，我大概可以提供……"],["張委員智倫：有沒有簽合約？"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，因為那是買斷的，他不是用合約買的，不是委託買賣，它不像112年，我們是委託貿易商買，委託的話，只賺他8%的服務費，這兩個是不一樣的。"],["陳院長建仁：不同的採購方式。"],["張委員智倫：其實本席要提的是，這就是人民對超思有意見的地方，因為超思當時在111年的時候，他只成立了兩個月，人民不知道的是，他只成立了兩個月，畜產會就請他從日本進口了1,000多萬顆的雞蛋；到了隔年112年的3月，那時候他不知道為什麼停業了，然後3月份的時候，畜產會又請它進口巴西8,000多萬顆的雞蛋。而且今天的報導也顯示，所有當時進口進來的雞蛋，現在還有5,000多萬顆是等待要報廢的。所以照我的瞭解，我要跟院長報告的是，在不缺蛋的時候，請超思進口日本雞蛋；在真正缺蛋的時候，請超思進口巴西的雞蛋，結果進口進來了以後，又跟大家說，不好意思，雞蛋現在已經不是那麼缺了，所以還剩下5,000多萬顆的雞蛋等著報廢，院長，我覺得這是浪費人民的納稅錢，院長，你怎麼看？"],["陳院長建仁：在所有雞蛋供應的過程當中，我們當時確實是缺蛋，所以需要從國外來進口，進口的蛋本來就有二種用途，一個是當殼蛋賣，一個就是當液蛋處理。在當時的估算，我們一天大概少兩百萬顆，所以我們就依照這樣的估計來進口。不過當我們開始進口雞蛋時，民間復養的部分也慢慢上來；在上來時，我們原先已經跟人家定好契約部分，當然還要繼續進口，所以才會有剩餘的部分，我們儘可能把它送液蛋來處理，是這樣子的。"],["張委員智倫：我跟院長報告，其實你們沒有用液蛋處理，你們把整個雞蛋全部報廢！"],["陳代理部長駿季：不是，我跟委員說明，那時候我們把雞蛋調度到洗選場，3月份進來時，我們已經很成功抑制了國內的雞蛋，也滿足了。可是一旦進口，我們國內復養上來，我們也不願意畜產會把手中的雞蛋釋出到市場，這樣會打擊到國內……"],["張委員智倫：不好意思，因為時間有限，我要打斷你的話。所以院長，我還是希望你們可以提供有關畜產會111年請超思進口日本蛋的報價單，我想瞭解。相關金流可不可以提供給我？為什麼一家資本額才50萬的公司有那麼大的能力去進口1,000多萬顆的雞蛋？這樣的金流可不可以提供給本席？"],["陳代理部長駿季：再給我30秒就可以。我們在進口雞蛋時，每一批的蛋款都由超思先付。第二，他有兩張本票、將近4,000萬是在合約裡壓著……"],["張委員智倫：那是巴西……"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，是巴西的部分……"],["張委員智倫：這就是讓本席更質疑了，這是不是因為進口日本雞蛋所賺的錢，讓他有這麼大金額的本票……"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有、沒有……"],["張委員智倫：或是存款金額，可以去做擔保？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我覺得這是不對的！我們的標案本身是一個委託案，那他只賺8%的服務費，到目前為止……"],["張委員智倫：不好意思，我還是要打斷你的話。基本上只要你提供這個資料，本席就可以瞭解……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們可以提供……"],["張委員智倫：這中間沒有利益輸送問題。我請教一下，可不可以提供我超思的股東名單？因為這關乎食安健康問題，如果可以讓民眾知道進口雞蛋的超思股東，與政府單位人員其實沒有任何利益糾葛，那麼大家在進口雞蛋的問題上也不會認為政府如此護航超思！"],["陳院長建仁：我在這裡要澄清，我們進口的雞蛋都沒有食安問題，只是進來的時候……"],["張委員智倫：我要跟院長報告，當時的確發生進口雞蛋檢驗出問題，的確是有發生食安問題……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我要跟委員報告，有問題的雞蛋是我們在邊境攔檢時查到的，所以這些雞蛋是……"],["張委員智倫：我希望會後院長可以提供我這樣的資料，現在我講第三題。最近新聞一直報導4月份電費即將漲價，我在這邊可否向院長請益，為什麼電費4月份一定要漲價？過去以來蔡英文總統一直說電費10年不能漲，現在又說電費要漲價，我覺得這點全民都不能認同！大家都知道綠電……坊間都在傳綠友友，綠能就是可以賺大錢，然後台電虧損。因為時間關係，我希望院長是不是就這部分答應我，因為4月份漲電價後，馬上就到用電高峰時期，所以是不是可以等到520或者下半年度以後才漲電價？"],["陳院長建仁：本來4月份就是要有調整，那這個……"],["張委員智倫：調整的幅度大概是多少？"],["陳院長建仁：由電價審議委員會……"],["張委員智倫：電價審議委員會一年開幾次？"],["王部長美花：兩次。"],["張委員智倫：是不是可以等到下半年再來調漲？"],["陳院長建仁：那時候台電……"],["張委員智倫：我記得王美花部長說，如果不調整電價的話，到年底台電才會有虧損倒閉問題，所以還有時間可以做因應。而且在去年時……"],["王部長美花：到年底時它的淨值只剩下228億，這太低了，對台電的財務有很大風險。"],["張委員智倫：本席認為若一定要在4月調漲，第一個會影響到物價，而且人民的痛苦指數會很高。再來，我覺得這有點幫未來的賴清德總統做背書。大家都知道520新的總統即將上任，有沒有需要漲電費？剛剛講到電費審議小組每年開兩次會，所以院長這邊是不是可以苦民所苦……"],["陳院長建仁：我們是按時間來調……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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:15,026 --> 00:00:15,226\n張委員好,恭喜你當選立委。\n\n2\n00:00:32,639 --> 00:00:46,554\n謝謝院長。院長想先請教您一下,最近剛剛發布的新聞,剛剛關於金下水域陸船翻覆的事件,大陸的家族以及談判的代表聽說已經回到大陸了。\n\n3\n00:00:48,115 --> 00:01:13,455\n那談判破裂了,不曉得院長知道這件事情嗎?我知道這件事情。我想這件事情剛才也有委員提起這件事。那我們在中華民國的這個海域裡面來加強這個商務船隻的這個侵擾加以這個調查跟驅離,我想是理所當然的應該執法,而且這也是大家的公事。那院長後續還會做什麼樣的處理情況嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:16,716 --> 00:01:34,305\n我想後續的這個處理的情況我請那個海委會的主委來回答謝謝委員跟委員報告我們還是會一本誠意希望能夠用開放的態度能夠儘快的還能夠來化解歧見那相關的未來的發展\n\n5\n00:01:35,535 --> 00:01:52,775\n我們會在總體做研商之後持續的來聯繫當然我們最希望的就是說這個案情能夠回歸司法的偵查然後能夠趕快釐清真相我想釐清真相對於未來的發展是最重要的關鍵\n\n6\n00:01:53,776 --> 00:01:53,796\n韓國瑜\n\n7\n00:02:10,566 --> 00:02:10,586\n﹚張智倫\n\n8\n00:02:30,677 --> 00:02:31,478\n接下來就進行到我質詢的部分。\n\n9\n00:02:58,806 --> 00:03:23,408\n首先要跟這個院長報告我來自這個新北中和選區我是這次新當選的這個立法委員要跟院長報告中和地區他地狹人稠他在新北市佔著這個土地面積將近百分之一那可是卻容納了大概十分之一四十萬人的人口所以地狹人稠而且我要跟院長報告我們中和他當時的這個\n\n10\n00:03:25,049 --> 00:03:25,069\n﹚張智倫\n\n11\n00:03:41,440 --> 00:04:06,271\n袁山地區過去它的基礎建設與大眾交通工具是明顯不足的。在政府的努力之下,最近有新的一條捷運叫做泰阪輕軌會接到中和。泰阪輕軌是從泰山到新莊,從板橋綠廊到到中和。可是很可惜的,它的終點站剛好連接到中和的舉光站。\n\n12\n00:04:07,211 --> 00:04:34,518\n我們這邊覺得說是不是可以請院長跟我們交通部這邊來協助就是說希望我們圓山地區因為人口比較多那輕軌的部分如果只有一個站輕軌只有到舉光捷運站其實事實上是比較可惜的是不是可以請院長跟部長這邊來協助我想這一個輕軌的這個部分要設哪些站是要由地方政府來提出它\n\n13\n00:04:35,099 --> 00:04:43,155\n的這個建議,然後我們這邊再看看可行性的評估是怎麼樣,然後再來做進行這樣子。\n\n14\n00:04:44,073 --> 00:05:05,870\n好,也這邊跟院長報告,因為目前在我們的努力之下,因為從板橋接到中和舉光站這一站,中間剛好經過我們中和的壽德新村那邊。壽德新村那邊因為是屬於我們的眷村,老年人口很多,所以在我們的大家的努力之下,政府是有核定新的一個叫做壽德站。\n\n15\n00:05:06,610 --> 00:05:06,630\n﹚張智倫\n\n16\n00:05:24,742 --> 00:05:43,436\n國光派出所這邊變成國光站讓我們舉光路我們中和圓山地區的民眾可以有一個比較方便的交通的狀況所以我希望說院長這邊可以來協助我們而且我們圓山地區未來會蓋新建兩個社會住宅人口會變得非常的多\n\n17\n00:05:44,468 --> 00:05:45,429\n現在太阪輕軌主要是跟萬大綜合樹林線連接聚光站\n\n18\n00:06:08,308 --> 00:06:35,898\n那如果剛才有談到包括受的信心的需求因為它是現在這種可行性是新北市政府提出來的所以我想說你這個意見也是跟新北市政府提議那我們會按照我們的行政程序來審查好OK那再麻煩部長這邊再協助那第二個重點剛剛一直提到綜合的人口眾多那有關於國道3號綜合出口的部分其實也是\n\n19\n00:06:36,479 --> 00:07:01,156\n民眾常常很多人擁捨在這邊跟院長報告在我們中和國道3號中和就只有一個交流道那基本上車潮非常的多每個小時的車潮會超過2000步的車潮而且時間長達7個小時所以只要只要院長如果有機會經過中和只要下街流道就發現那邊人都堵車堵得非常嚴重那這邊有\n\n20\n00:07:02,259 --> 00:07:21,887\n最近也要感謝我們交通部高空局這邊有做一個協助有關於這個南向的部分因為當時我們中和的交流道很多南向的人要上班的人到中和的時候發現很多的人都堵在外線的一個車道在那邊堵車\n\n21\n00:07:23,047 --> 00:07:48,796\n那早是車潮非常的擁擠那比較遵守規定的人就在外線第一個車道排隊那比較會開車的人就走外線第二個車道插隊插進去那後來很多人在反映1999後來高空局就一不做二不休把原本這個出口外面的雙板線把它給延伸結果沒有延伸還好一延伸以後原本從外線二車道插隊的人就比較不敢插隊了\n\n22\n00:07:49,036 --> 00:07:49,056\n﹚張智倫﹚\n\n23\n00:08:15,683 --> 00:08:39,023\n在3月底的時候會完成通車那這邊也要拜託院長在不管在跟新北市政府的溝通以及要這個道路標誌的劃線要特別要注意不要在這段時間內造成這個用路人尤其在高速公路上的一些危險這邊要拜託院長來協助可以嗎這些的部分這個剛才講的有一些調整的這個工程的部分是在\n\n24\n00:08:39,802 --> 00:08:39,822\n﹚張智倫﹚\n\n25\n00:09:08,701 --> 00:09:17,370\n好謝謝院長那接下來要跟您報告其實這只是國道3號綜合出口現在目前應急的一個解決的方案那其實\n\n26\n00:09:18,089 --> 00:09:39,953\n現在高空局有提出一個14.9億的這個中期的計畫希望在我們的不管是南下北上的部分做一個14.9億的這個預算那主要是不管在南下的部分徵設一個閘道讓他可以直接連接這個板橋的出口因為過去一直以來不管是南下跟北上\n\n27\n00:09:40,593 --> 00:09:40,613\n韓國瑜議員\n\n28\n00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,362\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n29\n00:10:27,296 --> 00:10:43,562\n整個改善的部分是新增閘道或者是不管是我們的車道增加一個車道的部分應該不會花這麼久的時間需要長達7年的時間那是不是這邊拜託院長跟部長是不是可以盡量來說短整個工程的時間\n\n30\n00:10:44,622 --> 00:11:07,599\n委員你看在這個相冊裡面有一個不同的這個期程那實際上施工跟驗收是30個月可是前面還有一些的期程譬如說用地的取得就要一年還有這個工程設計等等的那所以我們如果能夠盡量的來說短我們盡量說短但是我這裡也要來強調就是說\n\n31\n00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:09,660\n﹚張智倫\n\n32\n00:11:25,114 --> 00:11:45,036\n需要大家一起努力才有辦法把這個期程縮小。我覺得要拜託院長,就像現在已經目前已經送到這個行政院做行政報告。就是說光是我們這個行政部核定的部分,其實我覺得不需要長達一年的時間,這邊的部分其實可以來做一個加速的。\n\n33\n00:11:46,935 --> 00:12:09,378\n我們盡可能來進行但是這裡面我也要跟委員來報告就是說所有的工程在審查的過程當中我們都是很謹慎我們希望在審查能夠很完整的時候以後就會進行得更順利。報告委員我補充一下就是說我們事實上已經復院了2月23號的時候\n\n34\n00:12:10,979 --> 00:12:13,240\n那我請問一下可行性評估報告大概院會要花多久時間核定?\n\n35\n00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:49,712\n通常我們送院大概沒有意見就很快就會合了。對啦,好,好謝謝,那再拜託,再盡快的合訂,因為我覺得這樣的工程需要長達7年,就很多要到綜合的鄉親或綜合人,要再等待這7年的時間,其實是事實上蠻長的。\n\n36\n00:12:52,455 --> 00:13:17,268\n好,我們會盡速來辦理啦。也就是說各方面都要努力啦。不是只有中央這邊努力而已。那個土地徵收其實也是一個很大的挑戰喔。我的說明在前面。好,謝謝院長。那第三個。委員也可以幫忙協調啦。我會來協調。那第三個是我最重視的部分,也是我覺得現在這個\n\n37\n00:13:18,783 --> 00:13:43,676\n目前一直沒有進展的一個部分就是綜合南視角的聯外道路的問題。大家都知道我們綜合有一個非常知名的地標叫杭羅地,是拜土地公的。比較逢年過節就會很多的好朋友,綜合的鄉親或是外地來的好朋友到杭羅地來拜拜。可是大家都知道這個南視角的這個它的地形比較特別尤其它的整個的交通狀況是屬於比較葫蘆形狀的就是\n\n38\n00:13:46,554 --> 00:14:14,177\n進去的口很窄可是腹地很大所以這邊也要拜託我們院長這邊這個南四角的連外道路我們是希望拜託一下我們可以做一個往東我們可以連接連往安坑接往中安大橋讓我們很多不管是綜合的鄉親或是外地來的朋友不要從國道3號的出口進來然後從同一個路出去如果他可以有一個連外道路實際上是可以讓很多外來的好朋友來參拜的好朋友\n\n39\n00:14:14,517 --> 00:14:15,979\n這就是我剛才提的交通的建設要來改善等等\n\n40\n00:14:33,819 --> 00:14:33,839\n韓國瑜議員\n\n41\n00:14:55,131 --> 00:14:55,331\n主席\n\n42\n00:15:13,422 --> 00:15:28,645\n我這邊要拜託院長,因為這個其實在民國97年就做過可行性評估報告,在110年又花了700萬,又要再做一次可行性評估報告,所以已經不管是我上一任的立法委員,其實他也是認同\n\n43\n00:15:30,006 --> 00:15:47,717\n現在委員你其實掌握的很精準其實綜合最大的問題他的交通的改善就是像我們常常講的穿著西裝改西裝很困難的地方就在這裡所以\n\n44\n00:15:49,077 --> 00:16:09,004\n這個很多可能性評估即使做出來以後呢未來要施工進行的時候也是有很多的考量這個我想我們一起來努力啦這邊真的要拜託院長因為像我們其實常去木柵動物園其實木柵動物園過去跟這個臺北101其實就是有做一個信義隧道打通這個文山地區木柵動物園跟101\n\n45\n00:16:10,438 --> 00:16:10,458\n﹚張智倫\n\n46\n00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:50,852\n巴西進口的雞蛋的問題很多人認為這都是有問題的雞蛋所以在這邊我要請教一下院長相關的問題這是不正確的這個講法我先請教院長的部分當時這家公司叫做超思有限公司他當時的資本額是50萬\n\n47\n00:16:52,473 --> 00:17:09,180\n負責人叫秦宇喬出資才1000塊錢。請問一下當時你們為什麼會找這家公司來進口巴西的雞蛋?我先簡單講一下,實際上超市公司他本身這個老闆他是對於雞蛋的進出口很有經驗的。\n\n48\n00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:10,601\n我跟委員說明\n\n49\n00:17:25,297 --> 00:17:43,677\n當初我們在雞蛋緊急進口的時候,那我們針對貿易商,因為那時候臺灣對於國外進口的雞蛋過去都沒有這樣的一個經驗。所以我們尋找的是一個有經驗,曾經進口雞蛋到臺灣的這些業者。那另外他本身...請問一下超市過去有從巴西進口到臺灣的經驗嗎?\n\n50\n00:17:45,216 --> 00:17:48,639\n他沒有,但是他有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗,因為他應該在111年的時候就有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗。日本到臺灣的雞蛋。從巴西進口蛋到日本。\n\n51\n00:18:07,881 --> 00:18:13,247\n我想請教院長的是,超私從111年,當時好像是5月份才成立的,它才成立兩個月,其實國人不知道的是說,當時為什麼續產會會請超私進口日本的雞蛋,進口1000多顆的雞蛋?\n\n52\n00:18:30,245 --> 00:18:32,348\n議長,我跟您請教,他才成立兩個月,\n\n53\n00:18:47,829 --> 00:18:52,090\n我請教一下當時超私跟因為我們都知道齁當時在111年的時候這時候農業部長陳其中其實跟人民說那時候是不缺蛋的\n\n54\n00:19:15,877 --> 00:19:42,810\n可是不曉得為什麼要請超司從日本進口一千多萬顆的雞蛋那我先請教一下這些雞蛋一顆進口大概多少錢我們現在目前因為一百一十一年的時候並沒有專案一百一十二年專案進口那一百一十一年那是因為剛好我請教一下一顆雞蛋大概進口多少錢他本身報價CF報價大概是五十五一箱所以換算起來有到七點六到十塊之間\n\n55\n00:19:44,701 --> 00:19:44,921\n我跟委員說明\n\n56\n00:20:10,387 --> 00:20:12,930\n一百一十一年的時候。一百一十二年的時候。\n\n57\n00:20:32,318 --> 00:20:41,160\n那個我剛剛跟您報告齁,我說續產會請超市買雞蛋的時候是在111年,請他進進口。110年就有部分做調節的時候他有去買。\n\n58\n00:20:43,374 --> 00:21:06,246\n所以我請問說為什麼當時續產會他不親自去買日本的雞蛋要透過超市去買日本的雞蛋?我想很多貿易本身的雞蛋貿易本身你要有對這個雞蛋的貿易是有熟悉的為什麼續產會沒有這樣的能力嗎?每年國人給了這麼多的預算以及續產會有這麼多的人員而且當時我們知道是說日本的雞蛋其實是比其他東南亞國家來的貴\n\n59\n00:21:11,010 --> 00:21:25,239\n簡單來講,我跟院長報告,這樣就會讓國人認為其實是有圖利而且偏愛超思的這樣一個情形。請院長回答。我想很重要的續場會他的所有的職長當中很重要的一個職長是調整、調節我們的這個豬肉的供應為主。\n\n60\n00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:26,780\n我請教一下院長,那為什麼?\n\n61\n00:21:50,645 --> 00:22:17,275\n為什麼不請其他廠商,一定要請超市來進口?就是我剛才講過,我們當初其實我們都有洽詢了非常多的貿易商以我們了解。當時還是不是很缺雞蛋的時候嗎?對,但是他不像112年3月,就是去年3月那麼嚴重。但是那時候還有一些波動,所以當國內的調度沒有辦法滿足的時候,那時候續產會有一部分是透過貿易商從日本先調度。\n\n62\n00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:20,156\n請問大概一顆的價格買多少錢?你剛剛講的是大概多少錢?\n\n63\n00:22:31,209 --> 00:22:56,445\n我們講平均,那時候大概是7.6塊到10塊之間。包含關稅跟...沒有,不包含關稅的部分,我們是買斷的部分。那詳細的資料我想我們如果能夠了解的話可以匯報給你。匯報再給委員,因為這個數字不太容易記得。所以我也跟委員說明,以我的態度就是我們能夠公開可以提供給委員,我們絕對不會惡意的就是故意的說不提供。\n\n64\n00:22:57,085 --> 00:23:22,094\n那相關的因為有一些相關的這些資訊符合政府資訊公開法的部分他有不適合提供的我們才不會提供特別是牽涉到他本身之間的貿易之間的這些廠商他們的相關的營業秘密我們才不會給所以說會後可以提供我超市當時進口日本雞蛋的報價單那個價格我大概可以提供給你而且我聽說是說有沒有簽合約\n\n65\n00:23:23,612 --> 00:23:24,213\n不同的採購方式\n\n66\n00:23:42,625 --> 00:24:01,165\n其實本席要提的就是說這就是人民覺得對超市有意見的地方因為超市當時在111年的時候只成立了兩個月人民不知道的是他只成立兩個月去產會就請他從日本進口了1000多萬克的雞蛋到隔年112年的3月那時候他不知道為什麼停業\n\n67\n00:24:01,986 --> 00:24:14,379\n然後3月份的時候續產會又請他進口8千多萬顆的雞蛋。而且今天的報導也顯示現在所有的當時進口進來的雞蛋還有5千多萬顆是等待要報廢的。\n\n68\n00:24:15,694 --> 00:24:44,005\n所以照我的了解來講我要跟院長報告就是說在不缺蛋的時候請超私進口日本雞蛋在真正缺蛋的時候請超私進口巴西的雞蛋結果進口進來了以後又跟大家說因為不好意思這個雞蛋現在已經不是那麼缺了所以剩下還有5000多塊顆的雞蛋等著報廢這是院長我覺得這是浪費人民的納稅錢院長你怎麼看\n\n69\n00:24:44,642 --> 00:25:07,678\n在所有的這個雞蛋的供應的過程當中我們在當時確實是缺蛋所以需要有從國外來進口那進口的蛋本來就有兩種用途一個是當殼蛋賣一個就是當液蛋來處理那在當時的估算我們一天大概少兩百\n\n70\n00:25:08,719 --> 00:25:33,509\n兩百萬顆嘛所以我們就按照這樣的估計來進來但是呢當我們開始進口這個雞蛋的時候呢我們民間的護養的部分呢也有慢慢的上來那在上來的時候我們原先已經跟人家訂好契約的這個部分當然還要繼續進口嘛所以才會有所謂的剩餘的這個部分那我們盡可能的把它種業蛋來處理是這樣子的\n\n71\n00:25:34,271 --> 00:25:38,002\n我的論壇報告齁,這個其實你們沒有用業單來處理,你們是整個雞蛋全部都要報廢齁?\n\n72\n00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:42,018\n不好意思,因為我時間有限,我要打斷你的話。\n\n73\n00:26:04,336 --> 00:26:25,866\n所以院長這邊我們還是要希望第一個你們可以提供我有關於續產會當時請託這個超市111年進口日本蛋的報價單我想要了解那相關的金流可不可以提供給我到底為什麼一家50萬資本的公司他有那麼大的能力去進口1000多萬克的雞蛋這樣的這個金流可不可以提供給本席\n\n74\n00:26:26,226 --> 00:26:51,378\n我跟委員再一次大概30秒就可以齁。我們在進口雞蛋的時候每一批的蛋款都是由超市先付。第二個就是他有兩張本票將近4000萬是在合約裡面是壓著的。那是巴西,是巴西。對對巴西的部分。那這就是讓本席就覺得質疑的他是不是因為是因為進口日本雞蛋所賺的錢讓他有這麼大的金額的本票。沒有沒有沒有。或是存款的金額可以來去做這個單保的部分。我覺得這是不對的齁。\n\n75\n00:26:52,639 --> 00:27:10,671\n因為本身我們的標案是一個委託案那他只賺他的百分之八的服務費不好意思還是要打斷一下你的話所以基本上只要你提供這個資料本席就可以了解說這中間沒有利益輸送的問題那我請教一下可不可以提供我超市的股東名單\n\n76\n00:27:14,512 --> 00:27:30,258\n因為這個是有關於食安健康的問題,如果可以讓民眾知道說進口超市的雞蛋這些股東跟本身政府單位人員其實是沒有任何的利益糾葛的話,我其實認為大家對這個進口雞蛋的問題也不會認為政府如此的護航超市啊。\n\n77\n00:27:31,572 --> 00:27:58,042\n我想我在這裏要澄清一次我們進口的雞蛋都沒有食安的問題只是說我們進來的時候呢我要跟委員長報告他當時進口的時候的確有發生他進口出來檢驗出來的雞蛋是有問題的的確是有發生食安問題我要跟委員委員順報那個有問題的雞蛋是我們在邊境攔檢的時候查到的所以這些雞蛋就是退役我需要會後好不好我需要會後院長還是可以提供我這樣的資料那我要講他進行第三題\n\n78\n00:27:59,315 --> 00:28:20,916\n有關於最近那個新聞一直報導說4月份電費即將漲價我在這邊是不是可以跟院長請議一下為什麼電費4月份一定要漲價因為過去以來不管是蔡英文總統一直說電費10年不能漲那現在說電費要漲價我覺得這全民都不能認同那尤其大家都知道綠電現在是\n\n79\n00:28:23,158 --> 00:28:42,461\n大家的坊間都在傳綠油油,綠能就是可以賺大錢,排電虧損。那我這邊希望院長這個部分,第一個因為時間的關係是不是可以答應我說,因為4月份漲電價馬上就到用電高峰的時期,是不是可以等到520未來或者是下半年度以後才漲電價。\n\n80\n00:28:43,713 --> 00:29:04,004\n我們本來就是4月份就是要有調整。那這個調整的幅度大概是多少?有電價審議委員會。對,電價審議委員會不是一年開幾次?兩次。那是不是可以等到下半年再來調整?因為基本上我記得美化部長也有說,他說如果不調整電價的話到年底\n\n81\n00:29:04,804 --> 00:29:04,824\n﹚張智倫﹚\n\n82\n00:29:22,037 --> 00:29:22,217\n我們是按時間來調啦\n\n83\n00:29:49,415 --> 00:30:04,140\n每年開兩次會是不是可以苦民所苦到下半年度再來做這個電費的調整?或者是說可以部分來去做調整?到底4月份要漲多少電費?是不是可以這邊說明一下?我想我們剛才講過一定是電價審議委員會做最後的這個拍板來決定。\n\n84\n00:30:08,061 --> 00:30:11,624\n最後再拜託院長,因為我們有去查綠電相關的公司,有一家公司螢幕上有表示,它在最近這幾年,它的EPS成長很多。\n\n85\n00:30:50,452 --> 00:30:50,634\n謝謝張委員、智倫的\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15026\t15226\t張委員好,恭喜你當選立委。\n32639\t46554\t謝謝院長。院長想先請教您一下,最近剛剛發布的新聞,剛剛關於金下水域陸船翻覆的事件,大陸的家族以及談判的代表聽說已經回到大陸了。\n48115\t73455\t那談判破裂了,不曉得院長知道這件事情嗎?我知道這件事情。我想這件事情剛才也有委員提起這件事。那我們在中華民國的這個海域裡面來加強這個商務船隻的這個侵擾加以這個調查跟驅離,我想是理所當然的應該執法,而且這也是大家的公事。那院長後續還會做什麼樣的處理情況嗎?\n76716\t94305\t我想後續的這個處理的情況我請那個海委會的主委來回答謝謝委員跟委員報告我們還是會一本誠意希望能夠用開放的態度能夠儘快的還能夠來化解歧見那相關的未來的發展\n95535\t112775\t我們會在總體做研商之後持續的來聯繫當然我們最希望的就是說這個案情能夠回歸司法的偵查然後能夠趕快釐清真相我想釐清真相對於未來的發展是最重要的關鍵\n113776\t113796\t韓國瑜\n130566\t130586\t﹚張智倫\n150677\t151478\t接下來就進行到我質詢的部分。\n178806\t203408\t首先要跟這個院長報告我來自這個新北中和選區我是這次新當選的這個立法委員要跟院長報告中和地區他地狹人稠他在新北市佔著這個土地面積將近百分之一那可是卻容納了大概十分之一四十萬人的人口所以地狹人稠而且我要跟院長報告我們中和他當時的這個\n205049\t205069\t﹚張智倫\n221440\t246271\t袁山地區過去它的基礎建設與大眾交通工具是明顯不足的。在政府的努力之下,最近有新的一條捷運叫做泰阪輕軌會接到中和。泰阪輕軌是從泰山到新莊,從板橋綠廊到到中和。可是很可惜的,它的終點站剛好連接到中和的舉光站。\n247211\t274518\t我們這邊覺得說是不是可以請院長跟我們交通部這邊來協助就是說希望我們圓山地區因為人口比較多那輕軌的部分如果只有一個站輕軌只有到舉光捷運站其實事實上是比較可惜的是不是可以請院長跟部長這邊來協助我想這一個輕軌的這個部分要設哪些站是要由地方政府來提出它\n275099\t283155\t的這個建議,然後我們這邊再看看可行性的評估是怎麼樣,然後再來做進行這樣子。\n284073\t305870\t好,也這邊跟院長報告,因為目前在我們的努力之下,因為從板橋接到中和舉光站這一站,中間剛好經過我們中和的壽德新村那邊。壽德新村那邊因為是屬於我們的眷村,老年人口很多,所以在我們的大家的努力之下,政府是有核定新的一個叫做壽德站。\n306610\t306630\t﹚張智倫\n324742\t343436\t國光派出所這邊變成國光站讓我們舉光路我們中和圓山地區的民眾可以有一個比較方便的交通的狀況所以我希望說院長這邊可以來協助我們而且我們圓山地區未來會蓋新建兩個社會住宅人口會變得非常的多\n344468\t345429\t現在太阪輕軌主要是跟萬大綜合樹林線連接聚光站\n368308\t395898\t那如果剛才有談到包括受的信心的需求因為它是現在這種可行性是新北市政府提出來的所以我想說你這個意見也是跟新北市政府提議那我們會按照我們的行政程序來審查好OK那再麻煩部長這邊再協助那第二個重點剛剛一直提到綜合的人口眾多那有關於國道3號綜合出口的部分其實也是\n396479\t421156\t民眾常常很多人擁捨在這邊跟院長報告在我們中和國道3號中和就只有一個交流道那基本上車潮非常的多每個小時的車潮會超過2000步的車潮而且時間長達7個小時所以只要只要院長如果有機會經過中和只要下街流道就發現那邊人都堵車堵得非常嚴重那這邊有\n422259\t441887\t最近也要感謝我們交通部高空局這邊有做一個協助有關於這個南向的部分因為當時我們中和的交流道很多南向的人要上班的人到中和的時候發現很多的人都堵在外線的一個車道在那邊堵車\n443047\t468796\t那早是車潮非常的擁擠那比較遵守規定的人就在外線第一個車道排隊那比較會開車的人就走外線第二個車道插隊插進去那後來很多人在反映1999後來高空局就一不做二不休把原本這個出口外面的雙板線把它給延伸結果沒有延伸還好一延伸以後原本從外線二車道插隊的人就比較不敢插隊了\n469036\t469056\t﹚張智倫﹚\n495683\t519023\t在3月底的時候會完成通車那這邊也要拜託院長在不管在跟新北市政府的溝通以及要這個道路標誌的劃線要特別要注意不要在這段時間內造成這個用路人尤其在高速公路上的一些危險這邊要拜託院長來協助可以嗎這些的部分這個剛才講的有一些調整的這個工程的部分是在\n519802\t519822\t﹚張智倫﹚\n548701\t557370\t好 謝謝院長那接下來要跟您報告其實這只是國道3號綜合出口現在目前應急的一個解決的方案那其實\n558089\t579953\t現在高空局有提出一個14.9億的這個中期的計畫希望在我們的不管是南下北上的部分做一個14.9億的這個預算那主要是不管在南下的部分徵設一個閘道讓他可以直接連接這個板橋的出口因為過去一直以來不管是南下跟北上\n580593\t580613\t韓國瑜議員\n598200\t601362\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n627296\t643562\t整個改善的部分是新增閘道或者是不管是我們的車道增加一個車道的部分應該不會花這麼久的時間需要長達7年的時間那是不是這邊拜託院長跟部長是不是可以盡量來說短整個工程的時間\n644622\t667599\t委員你看在這個相冊裡面有一個不同的這個期程那實際上施工跟驗收是30個月可是前面還有一些的期程譬如說用地的取得就要一年還有這個工程設計等等的那所以我們如果能夠盡量的來說短我們盡量說短但是我這裡也要來強調就是說\n669640\t669660\t﹚張智倫\n685114\t705036\t需要大家一起努力才有辦法把這個期程縮小。我覺得要拜託院長,就像現在已經目前已經送到這個行政院做行政報告。就是說光是我們這個行政部核定的部分,其實我覺得不需要長達一年的時間,這邊的部分其實可以來做一個加速的。\n706935\t729378\t我們盡可能來進行但是這裡面我也要跟委員來報告就是說所有的工程在審查的過程當中我們都是很謹慎我們希望在審查能夠很完整的時候以後就會進行得更順利。報告委員我補充一下就是說我們事實上已經復院了2月23號的時候\n730979\t733240\t那我請問一下可行性評估報告大概院會要花多久時間核定?\n755547\t769712\t通常我們送院大概沒有意見就很快就會合了。對啦,好,好謝謝,那再拜託,再盡快的合訂,因為我覺得這樣的工程需要長達7年,就很多要到綜合的鄉親或綜合人,要再等待這7年的時間,其實是事實上蠻長的。\n772455\t797268\t好,我們會盡速來辦理啦。也就是說各方面都要努力啦。不是只有中央這邊努力而已。那個土地徵收其實也是一個很大的挑戰喔。我的說明在前面。好,謝謝院長。那第三個。委員也可以幫忙協調啦。我會來協調。那第三個是我最重視的部分,也是我覺得現在這個\n798783\t823676\t目前一直沒有進展的一個部分就是綜合南視角的聯外道路的問題。大家都知道我們綜合有一個非常知名的地標叫杭羅地,是拜土地公的。比較逢年過節就會很多的好朋友,綜合的鄉親或是外地來的好朋友到杭羅地來拜拜。可是大家都知道這個南視角的這個它的地形比較特別尤其它的整個的交通狀況是屬於比較葫蘆形狀的就是\n826554\t854177\t進去的口很窄可是腹地很大所以這邊也要拜託我們院長這邊這個南四角的連外道路我們是希望拜託一下我們可以做一個往東我們可以連接連往安坑接往中安大橋讓我們很多不管是綜合的鄉親或是外地來的朋友不要從國道3號的出口進來然後從同一個路出去如果他可以有一個連外道路實際上是可以讓很多外來的好朋友來參拜的好朋友\n854517\t855979\t這就是我剛才提的交通的建設要來改善等等\n873819\t873839\t韓國瑜議員\n895131\t895331\t主席\n913422\t928645\t我這邊要拜託院長,因為這個其實在民國97年就做過可行性評估報告,在110年又花了700萬,又要再做一次可行性評估報告,所以已經不管是我上一任的立法委員,其實他也是認同\n930006\t947717\t現在委員你其實掌握的很精準其實綜合最大的問題他的交通的改善就是像我們常常講的穿著西裝改西裝很困難的地方就在這裡所以\n949077\t969004\t這個很多可能性評估即使做出來以後呢未來要施工進行的時候也是有很多的考量這個我想我們一起來努力啦這邊真的要拜託院長因為像我們其實常去木柵動物園其實木柵動物園過去跟這個臺北101其實就是有做一個信義隧道打通這個文山地區木柵動物園跟101\n970438\t970458\t﹚張智倫\n994150\t1010852\t巴西進口的雞蛋的問題很多人認為這都是有問題的雞蛋所以在這邊我要請教一下院長相關的問題這是不正確的這個講法我先請教院長的部分當時這家公司叫做超思有限公司他當時的資本額是50萬\n1012473\t1029180\t負責人叫秦宇喬出資才1000塊錢。請問一下當時你們為什麼會找這家公司來進口巴西的雞蛋?我先簡單講一下,實際上超市公司他本身這個老闆他是對於雞蛋的進出口很有經驗的。\n1030300\t1030601\t我跟委員說明\n1045297\t1063677\t當初我們在雞蛋緊急進口的時候,那我們針對貿易商,因為那時候臺灣對於國外進口的雞蛋過去都沒有這樣的一個經驗。所以我們尋找的是一個有經驗,曾經進口雞蛋到臺灣的這些業者。那另外他本身...請問一下超市過去有從巴西進口到臺灣的經驗嗎?\n1065216\t1068639\t他沒有,但是他有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗,因為他應該在111年的時候就有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗。日本到臺灣的雞蛋。從巴西進口蛋到日本。\n1087881\t1093247\t我想請教院長的是,超私從111年,當時好像是5月份才成立的,它才成立兩個月,其實國人不知道的是說,當時為什麼續產會會請超私進口日本的雞蛋,進口1000多顆的雞蛋?\n1110245\t1112348\t議長,我跟您請教,他才成立兩個月,\n1127829\t1132090\t我請教一下當時超私跟因為我們都知道齁當時在111年的時候這時候農業部長陳其中其實跟人民說那時候是不缺蛋的\n1155877\t1182810\t可是不曉得為什麼要請超司從日本進口一千多萬顆的雞蛋那我先請教一下這些雞蛋一顆進口大概多少錢我們現在目前因為一百一十一年的時候並沒有專案一百一十二年專案進口那一百一十一年那是因為剛好我請教一下一顆雞蛋大概進口多少錢他本身報價CF報價大概是五十五一箱所以換算起來有到七點六到十塊之間\n1184701\t1184921\t我跟委員說明\n1210387\t1212930\t一百一十一年的時候。一百一十二年的時候。\n1232318\t1241160\t那個我剛剛跟您報告齁,我說續產會請超市買雞蛋的時候是在111年,請他進進口。110年就有部分做調節的時候他有去買。\n1243374\t1266246\t所以我請問說為什麼當時續產會他不親自去買日本的雞蛋要透過超市去買日本的雞蛋?我想很多貿易本身的雞蛋貿易本身你要有對這個雞蛋的貿易是有熟悉的為什麼續產會沒有這樣的能力嗎?每年國人給了這麼多的預算以及續產會有這麼多的人員而且當時我們知道是說日本的雞蛋其實是比其他東南亞國家來的貴\n1271010\t1285239\t簡單來講,我跟院長報告,這樣就會讓國人認為其實是有圖利而且偏愛超思的這樣一個情形。請院長回答。我想很重要的續場會他的所有的職長當中很重要的一個職長是調整、調節我們的這個豬肉的供應為主。\n1286340\t1286780\t我請教一下院長,那為什麼?\n1310645\t1337275\t為什麼不請其他廠商,一定要請超市來進口?就是我剛才講過,我們當初其實我們都有洽詢了非常多的貿易商以我們了解。當時還是不是很缺雞蛋的時候嗎?對,但是他不像112年3月,就是去年3月那麼嚴重。但是那時候還有一些波動,所以當國內的調度沒有辦法滿足的時候,那時候續產會有一部分是透過貿易商從日本先調度。\n1338934\t1340156\t請問大概一顆的價格買多少錢?你剛剛講的是大概多少錢?\n1351209\t1376445\t我們講平均,那時候大概是7.6塊到10塊之間。包含關稅跟...沒有,不包含關稅的部分,我們是買斷的部分。那詳細的資料我想我們如果能夠了解的話可以匯報給你。匯報再給委員,因為這個數字不太容易記得。所以我也跟委員說明,以我的態度就是我們能夠公開可以提供給委員,我們絕對不會惡意的就是故意的說不提供。\n1377085\t1402094\t那相關的因為有一些相關的這些資訊符合政府資訊公開法的部分他有不適合提供的我們才不會提供特別是牽涉到他本身之間的貿易之間的這些廠商他們的相關的營業秘密我們才不會給所以說會後可以提供我超市當時進口日本雞蛋的報價單那個價格我大概可以提供給你而且我聽說是說有沒有簽合約\n1403612\t1404213\t不同的採購方式\n1422625\t1441165\t其實本席要提的就是說這就是人民覺得對超市有意見的地方因為超市當時在111年的時候只成立了兩個月人民不知道的是他只成立兩個月去產會就請他從日本進口了1000多萬克的雞蛋到隔年112年的3月那時候他不知道為什麼停業\n1441986\t1454379\t然後3月份的時候續產會又請他進口8千多萬顆的雞蛋。而且今天的報導也顯示現在所有的當時進口進來的雞蛋還有5千多萬顆是等待要報廢的。\n1455694\t1484005\t所以照我的了解來講我要跟院長報告就是說在不缺蛋的時候請超私進口日本雞蛋在真正缺蛋的時候請超私進口巴西的雞蛋結果進口進來了以後又跟大家說因為不好意思這個雞蛋現在已經不是那麼缺了所以剩下還有5000多塊顆的雞蛋等著報廢這是院長我覺得這是浪費人民的納稅錢院長你怎麼看\n1484642\t1507678\t在所有的這個雞蛋的供應的過程當中我們在當時確實是缺蛋所以需要有從國外來進口那進口的蛋本來就有兩種用途一個是當殼蛋賣一個就是當液蛋來處理那在當時的估算我們一天大概少兩百\n1508719\t1533509\t兩百萬顆嘛所以我們就按照這樣的估計來進來但是呢當我們開始進口這個雞蛋的時候呢我們民間的護養的部分呢也有慢慢的上來那在上來的時候我們原先已經跟人家訂好契約的這個部分當然還要繼續進口嘛所以才會有所謂的剩餘的這個部分那我們盡可能的把它種業蛋來處理是這樣子的\n1534271\t1538002\t我的論壇報告齁,這個其實你們沒有用業單來處理,你們是整個雞蛋全部都要報廢齁?\n1540677\t1542018\t不好意思,因為我時間有限,我要打斷你的話。\n1564336\t1585866\t所以院長這邊我們還是要希望第一個你們可以提供我有關於續產會當時請託這個超市111年進口日本蛋的報價單我想要了解那相關的金流可不可以提供給我到底為什麼一家50萬資本的公司他有那麼大的能力去進口1000多萬克的雞蛋這樣的這個金流可不可以提供給本席\n1586226\t1611378\t我跟委員再一次大概30秒就可以齁。我們在進口雞蛋的時候每一批的蛋款都是由超市先付。第二個就是他有兩張本票將近4000萬是在合約裡面是壓著的。那是巴西,是巴西。對對巴西的部分。那這就是讓本席就覺得質疑的他是不是因為是因為進口日本雞蛋所賺的錢讓他有這麼大的金額的本票。沒有沒有沒有。或是存款的金額可以來去做這個單保的部分。我覺得這是不對的齁。\n1612639\t1630671\t因為本身我們的標案是一個委託案那他只賺他的百分之八的服務費不好意思還是要打斷一下你的話所以基本上只要你提供這個資料本席就可以了解說這中間沒有利益輸送的問題那我請教一下可不可以提供我超市的股東名單\n1634512\t1650258\t因為這個是有關於食安健康的問題,如果可以讓民眾知道說進口超市的雞蛋這些股東跟本身政府單位人員其實是沒有任何的利益糾葛的話,我其實認為大家對這個進口雞蛋的問題也不會認為政府如此的護航超市啊。\n1651572\t1678042\t我想我在這裏要澄清一次我們進口的雞蛋都沒有食安的問題只是說我們進來的時候呢我要跟委員長報告他當時進口的時候的確有發生他進口出來檢驗出來的雞蛋是有問題的的確是有發生食安問題我要跟委員 委員順報那個有問題的雞蛋是我們在邊境攔檢的時候查到的所以這些雞蛋就是退役我需要會後好不好我需要會後院長還是可以提供我這樣的資料那我要講他進行第三題\n1679315\t1700916\t有關於最近那個新聞一直報導說4月份電費即將漲價我在這邊是不是可以跟院長請議一下為什麼電費4月份一定要漲價因為過去以來不管是蔡英文總統一直說電費10年不能漲那現在說電費要漲價我覺得這全民都不能認同那尤其大家都知道綠電現在是\n1703158\t1722461\t大家的坊間都在傳綠油油,綠能就是可以賺大錢,排電虧損。那我這邊希望院長這個部分,第一個因為時間的關係是不是可以答應我說,因為4月份漲電價馬上就到用電高峰的時期,是不是可以等到520未來或者是下半年度以後才漲電價。\n1723713\t1744004\t我們本來就是4月份就是要有調整。那這個調整的幅度大概是多少?有電價審議委員會。對,電價審議委員會不是一年開幾次?兩次。那是不是可以等到下半年再來調整?因為基本上我記得美化部長也有說,他說如果不調整電價的話到年底\n1744804\t1744824\t﹚張智倫﹚\n1762037\t1762217\t我們是按時間來調啦\n1789415\t1804140\t每年開兩次會是不是可以苦民所苦到下半年度再來做這個電費的調整?或者是說可以部分來去做調整?到底4月份要漲多少電費?是不是可以這邊說明一下?我想我們剛才講過一定是電價審議委員會做最後的這個拍板來決定。\n1808061\t1811624\t最後再拜託院長,因為我們有去查綠電相關的公司,有一家公司螢幕上有表示,它在最近這幾年,它的EPS成長很多。\n1850452\t1850634\t謝謝張委員、智倫的\n","txt":"張委員好,恭喜你當選立委。\n謝謝院長。院長想先請教您一下,最近剛剛發布的新聞,剛剛關於金下水域陸船翻覆的事件,大陸的家族以及談判的代表聽說已經回到大陸了。\n那談判破裂了,不曉得院長知道這件事情嗎?我知道這件事情。我想這件事情剛才也有委員提起這件事。那我們在中華民國的這個海域裡面來加強這個商務船隻的這個侵擾加以這個調查跟驅離,我想是理所當然的應該執法,而且這也是大家的公事。那院長後續還會做什麼樣的處理情況嗎?\n我想後續的這個處理的情況我請那個海委會的主委來回答謝謝委員跟委員報告我們還是會一本誠意希望能夠用開放的態度能夠儘快的還能夠來化解歧見那相關的未來的發展\n我們會在總體做研商之後持續的來聯繫當然我們最希望的就是說這個案情能夠回歸司法的偵查然後能夠趕快釐清真相我想釐清真相對於未來的發展是最重要的關鍵\n韓國瑜\n﹚張智倫\n接下來就進行到我質詢的部分。\n首先要跟這個院長報告我來自這個新北中和選區我是這次新當選的這個立法委員要跟院長報告中和地區他地狹人稠他在新北市佔著這個土地面積將近百分之一那可是卻容納了大概十分之一四十萬人的人口所以地狹人稠而且我要跟院長報告我們中和他當時的這個\n﹚張智倫\n袁山地區過去它的基礎建設與大眾交通工具是明顯不足的。在政府的努力之下,最近有新的一條捷運叫做泰阪輕軌會接到中和。泰阪輕軌是從泰山到新莊,從板橋綠廊到到中和。可是很可惜的,它的終點站剛好連接到中和的舉光站。\n我們這邊覺得說是不是可以請院長跟我們交通部這邊來協助就是說希望我們圓山地區因為人口比較多那輕軌的部分如果只有一個站輕軌只有到舉光捷運站其實事實上是比較可惜的是不是可以請院長跟部長這邊來協助我想這一個輕軌的這個部分要設哪些站是要由地方政府來提出它\n的這個建議,然後我們這邊再看看可行性的評估是怎麼樣,然後再來做進行這樣子。\n好,也這邊跟院長報告,因為目前在我們的努力之下,因為從板橋接到中和舉光站這一站,中間剛好經過我們中和的壽德新村那邊。壽德新村那邊因為是屬於我們的眷村,老年人口很多,所以在我們的大家的努力之下,政府是有核定新的一個叫做壽德站。\n﹚張智倫\n國光派出所這邊變成國光站讓我們舉光路我們中和圓山地區的民眾可以有一個比較方便的交通的狀況所以我希望說院長這邊可以來協助我們而且我們圓山地區未來會蓋新建兩個社會住宅人口會變得非常的多\n現在太阪輕軌主要是跟萬大綜合樹林線連接聚光站\n那如果剛才有談到包括受的信心的需求因為它是現在這種可行性是新北市政府提出來的所以我想說你這個意見也是跟新北市政府提議那我們會按照我們的行政程序來審查好OK那再麻煩部長這邊再協助那第二個重點剛剛一直提到綜合的人口眾多那有關於國道3號綜合出口的部分其實也是\n民眾常常很多人擁捨在這邊跟院長報告在我們中和國道3號中和就只有一個交流道那基本上車潮非常的多每個小時的車潮會超過2000步的車潮而且時間長達7個小時所以只要只要院長如果有機會經過中和只要下街流道就發現那邊人都堵車堵得非常嚴重那這邊有\n最近也要感謝我們交通部高空局這邊有做一個協助有關於這個南向的部分因為當時我們中和的交流道很多南向的人要上班的人到中和的時候發現很多的人都堵在外線的一個車道在那邊堵車\n那早是車潮非常的擁擠那比較遵守規定的人就在外線第一個車道排隊那比較會開車的人就走外線第二個車道插隊插進去那後來很多人在反映1999後來高空局就一不做二不休把原本這個出口外面的雙板線把它給延伸結果沒有延伸還好一延伸以後原本從外線二車道插隊的人就比較不敢插隊了\n﹚張智倫﹚\n在3月底的時候會完成通車那這邊也要拜託院長在不管在跟新北市政府的溝通以及要這個道路標誌的劃線要特別要注意不要在這段時間內造成這個用路人尤其在高速公路上的一些危險這邊要拜託院長來協助可以嗎這些的部分這個剛才講的有一些調整的這個工程的部分是在\n﹚張智倫﹚\n好 謝謝院長那接下來要跟您報告其實這只是國道3號綜合出口現在目前應急的一個解決的方案那其實\n現在高空局有提出一個14.9億的這個中期的計畫希望在我們的不管是南下北上的部分做一個14.9億的這個預算那主要是不管在南下的部分徵設一個閘道讓他可以直接連接這個板橋的出口因為過去一直以來不管是南下跟北上\n韓國瑜議員\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n整個改善的部分是新增閘道或者是不管是我們的車道增加一個車道的部分應該不會花這麼久的時間需要長達7年的時間那是不是這邊拜託院長跟部長是不是可以盡量來說短整個工程的時間\n委員你看在這個相冊裡面有一個不同的這個期程那實際上施工跟驗收是30個月可是前面還有一些的期程譬如說用地的取得就要一年還有這個工程設計等等的那所以我們如果能夠盡量的來說短我們盡量說短但是我這裡也要來強調就是說\n﹚張智倫\n需要大家一起努力才有辦法把這個期程縮小。我覺得要拜託院長,就像現在已經目前已經送到這個行政院做行政報告。就是說光是我們這個行政部核定的部分,其實我覺得不需要長達一年的時間,這邊的部分其實可以來做一個加速的。\n我們盡可能來進行但是這裡面我也要跟委員來報告就是說所有的工程在審查的過程當中我們都是很謹慎我們希望在審查能夠很完整的時候以後就會進行得更順利。報告委員我補充一下就是說我們事實上已經復院了2月23號的時候\n那我請問一下可行性評估報告大概院會要花多久時間核定?\n通常我們送院大概沒有意見就很快就會合了。對啦,好,好謝謝,那再拜託,再盡快的合訂,因為我覺得這樣的工程需要長達7年,就很多要到綜合的鄉親或綜合人,要再等待這7年的時間,其實是事實上蠻長的。\n好,我們會盡速來辦理啦。也就是說各方面都要努力啦。不是只有中央這邊努力而已。那個土地徵收其實也是一個很大的挑戰喔。我的說明在前面。好,謝謝院長。那第三個。委員也可以幫忙協調啦。我會來協調。那第三個是我最重視的部分,也是我覺得現在這個\n目前一直沒有進展的一個部分就是綜合南視角的聯外道路的問題。大家都知道我們綜合有一個非常知名的地標叫杭羅地,是拜土地公的。比較逢年過節就會很多的好朋友,綜合的鄉親或是外地來的好朋友到杭羅地來拜拜。可是大家都知道這個南視角的這個它的地形比較特別尤其它的整個的交通狀況是屬於比較葫蘆形狀的就是\n進去的口很窄可是腹地很大所以這邊也要拜託我們院長這邊這個南四角的連外道路我們是希望拜託一下我們可以做一個往東我們可以連接連往安坑接往中安大橋讓我們很多不管是綜合的鄉親或是外地來的朋友不要從國道3號的出口進來然後從同一個路出去如果他可以有一個連外道路實際上是可以讓很多外來的好朋友來參拜的好朋友\n這就是我剛才提的交通的建設要來改善等等\n韓國瑜議員\n主席\n我這邊要拜託院長,因為這個其實在民國97年就做過可行性評估報告,在110年又花了700萬,又要再做一次可行性評估報告,所以已經不管是我上一任的立法委員,其實他也是認同\n現在委員你其實掌握的很精準其實綜合最大的問題他的交通的改善就是像我們常常講的穿著西裝改西裝很困難的地方就在這裡所以\n這個很多可能性評估即使做出來以後呢未來要施工進行的時候也是有很多的考量這個我想我們一起來努力啦這邊真的要拜託院長因為像我們其實常去木柵動物園其實木柵動物園過去跟這個臺北101其實就是有做一個信義隧道打通這個文山地區木柵動物園跟101\n﹚張智倫\n巴西進口的雞蛋的問題很多人認為這都是有問題的雞蛋所以在這邊我要請教一下院長相關的問題這是不正確的這個講法我先請教院長的部分當時這家公司叫做超思有限公司他當時的資本額是50萬\n負責人叫秦宇喬出資才1000塊錢。請問一下當時你們為什麼會找這家公司來進口巴西的雞蛋?我先簡單講一下,實際上超市公司他本身這個老闆他是對於雞蛋的進出口很有經驗的。\n我跟委員說明\n當初我們在雞蛋緊急進口的時候,那我們針對貿易商,因為那時候臺灣對於國外進口的雞蛋過去都沒有這樣的一個經驗。所以我們尋找的是一個有經驗,曾經進口雞蛋到臺灣的這些業者。那另外他本身...請問一下超市過去有從巴西進口到臺灣的經驗嗎?\n他沒有,但是他有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗,因為他應該在111年的時候就有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗。日本到臺灣的雞蛋。從巴西進口蛋到日本。\n我想請教院長的是,超私從111年,當時好像是5月份才成立的,它才成立兩個月,其實國人不知道的是說,當時為什麼續產會會請超私進口日本的雞蛋,進口1000多顆的雞蛋?\n議長,我跟您請教,他才成立兩個月,\n我請教一下當時超私跟因為我們都知道齁當時在111年的時候這時候農業部長陳其中其實跟人民說那時候是不缺蛋的\n可是不曉得為什麼要請超司從日本進口一千多萬顆的雞蛋那我先請教一下這些雞蛋一顆進口大概多少錢我們現在目前因為一百一十一年的時候並沒有專案一百一十二年專案進口那一百一十一年那是因為剛好我請教一下一顆雞蛋大概進口多少錢他本身報價CF報價大概是五十五一箱所以換算起來有到七點六到十塊之間\n我跟委員說明\n一百一十一年的時候。一百一十二年的時候。\n那個我剛剛跟您報告齁,我說續產會請超市買雞蛋的時候是在111年,請他進進口。110年就有部分做調節的時候他有去買。\n所以我請問說為什麼當時續產會他不親自去買日本的雞蛋要透過超市去買日本的雞蛋?我想很多貿易本身的雞蛋貿易本身你要有對這個雞蛋的貿易是有熟悉的為什麼續產會沒有這樣的能力嗎?每年國人給了這麼多的預算以及續產會有這麼多的人員而且當時我們知道是說日本的雞蛋其實是比其他東南亞國家來的貴\n簡單來講,我跟院長報告,這樣就會讓國人認為其實是有圖利而且偏愛超思的這樣一個情形。請院長回答。我想很重要的續場會他的所有的職長當中很重要的一個職長是調整、調節我們的這個豬肉的供應為主。\n我請教一下院長,那為什麼?\n為什麼不請其他廠商,一定要請超市來進口?就是我剛才講過,我們當初其實我們都有洽詢了非常多的貿易商以我們了解。當時還是不是很缺雞蛋的時候嗎?對,但是他不像112年3月,就是去年3月那麼嚴重。但是那時候還有一些波動,所以當國內的調度沒有辦法滿足的時候,那時候續產會有一部分是透過貿易商從日本先調度。\n請問大概一顆的價格買多少錢?你剛剛講的是大概多少錢?\n我們講平均,那時候大概是7.6塊到10塊之間。包含關稅跟...沒有,不包含關稅的部分,我們是買斷的部分。那詳細的資料我想我們如果能夠了解的話可以匯報給你。匯報再給委員,因為這個數字不太容易記得。所以我也跟委員說明,以我的態度就是我們能夠公開可以提供給委員,我們絕對不會惡意的就是故意的說不提供。\n那相關的因為有一些相關的這些資訊符合政府資訊公開法的部分他有不適合提供的我們才不會提供特別是牽涉到他本身之間的貿易之間的這些廠商他們的相關的營業秘密我們才不會給所以說會後可以提供我超市當時進口日本雞蛋的報價單那個價格我大概可以提供給你而且我聽說是說有沒有簽合約\n不同的採購方式\n其實本席要提的就是說這就是人民覺得對超市有意見的地方因為超市當時在111年的時候只成立了兩個月人民不知道的是他只成立兩個月去產會就請他從日本進口了1000多萬克的雞蛋到隔年112年的3月那時候他不知道為什麼停業\n然後3月份的時候續產會又請他進口8千多萬顆的雞蛋。而且今天的報導也顯示現在所有的當時進口進來的雞蛋還有5千多萬顆是等待要報廢的。\n所以照我的了解來講我要跟院長報告就是說在不缺蛋的時候請超私進口日本雞蛋在真正缺蛋的時候請超私進口巴西的雞蛋結果進口進來了以後又跟大家說因為不好意思這個雞蛋現在已經不是那麼缺了所以剩下還有5000多塊顆的雞蛋等著報廢這是院長我覺得這是浪費人民的納稅錢院長你怎麼看\n在所有的這個雞蛋的供應的過程當中我們在當時確實是缺蛋所以需要有從國外來進口那進口的蛋本來就有兩種用途一個是當殼蛋賣一個就是當液蛋來處理那在當時的估算我們一天大概少兩百\n兩百萬顆嘛所以我們就按照這樣的估計來進來但是呢當我們開始進口這個雞蛋的時候呢我們民間的護養的部分呢也有慢慢的上來那在上來的時候我們原先已經跟人家訂好契約的這個部分當然還要繼續進口嘛所以才會有所謂的剩餘的這個部分那我們盡可能的把它種業蛋來處理是這樣子的\n我的論壇報告齁,這個其實你們沒有用業單來處理,你們是整個雞蛋全部都要報廢齁?\n不好意思,因為我時間有限,我要打斷你的話。\n所以院長這邊我們還是要希望第一個你們可以提供我有關於續產會當時請託這個超市111年進口日本蛋的報價單我想要了解那相關的金流可不可以提供給我到底為什麼一家50萬資本的公司他有那麼大的能力去進口1000多萬克的雞蛋這樣的這個金流可不可以提供給本席\n我跟委員再一次大概30秒就可以齁。我們在進口雞蛋的時候每一批的蛋款都是由超市先付。第二個就是他有兩張本票將近4000萬是在合約裡面是壓著的。那是巴西,是巴西。對對巴西的部分。那這就是讓本席就覺得質疑的他是不是因為是因為進口日本雞蛋所賺的錢讓他有這麼大的金額的本票。沒有沒有沒有。或是存款的金額可以來去做這個單保的部分。我覺得這是不對的齁。\n因為本身我們的標案是一個委託案那他只賺他的百分之八的服務費不好意思還是要打斷一下你的話所以基本上只要你提供這個資料本席就可以了解說這中間沒有利益輸送的問題那我請教一下可不可以提供我超市的股東名單\n因為這個是有關於食安健康的問題,如果可以讓民眾知道說進口超市的雞蛋這些股東跟本身政府單位人員其實是沒有任何的利益糾葛的話,我其實認為大家對這個進口雞蛋的問題也不會認為政府如此的護航超市啊。\n我想我在這裏要澄清一次我們進口的雞蛋都沒有食安的問題只是說我們進來的時候呢我要跟委員長報告他當時進口的時候的確有發生他進口出來檢驗出來的雞蛋是有問題的的確是有發生食安問題我要跟委員 委員順報那個有問題的雞蛋是我們在邊境攔檢的時候查到的所以這些雞蛋就是退役我需要會後好不好我需要會後院長還是可以提供我這樣的資料那我要講他進行第三題\n有關於最近那個新聞一直報導說4月份電費即將漲價我在這邊是不是可以跟院長請議一下為什麼電費4月份一定要漲價因為過去以來不管是蔡英文總統一直說電費10年不能漲那現在說電費要漲價我覺得這全民都不能認同那尤其大家都知道綠電現在是\n大家的坊間都在傳綠油油,綠能就是可以賺大錢,排電虧損。那我這邊希望院長這個部分,第一個因為時間的關係是不是可以答應我說,因為4月份漲電價馬上就到用電高峰的時期,是不是可以等到520未來或者是下半年度以後才漲電價。\n我們本來就是4月份就是要有調整。那這個調整的幅度大概是多少?有電價審議委員會。對,電價審議委員會不是一年開幾次?兩次。那是不是可以等到下半年再來調整?因為基本上我記得美化部長也有說,他說如果不調整電價的話到年底\n﹚張智倫﹚\n我們是按時間來調啦\n每年開兩次會是不是可以苦民所苦到下半年度再來做這個電費的調整?或者是說可以部分來去做調整?到底4月份要漲多少電費?是不是可以這邊說明一下?我想我們剛才講過一定是電價審議委員會做最後的這個拍板來決定。\n最後再拜託院長,因為我們有去查綠電相關的公司,有一家公司螢幕上有表示,它在最近這幾年,它的EPS成長很多。\n謝謝張委員、智倫的\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.026 --> 00:15.226\n張委員好,恭喜你當選立委。\n\n00:32.639 --> 00:46.554\n謝謝院長。院長想先請教您一下,最近剛剛發布的新聞,剛剛關於金下水域陸船翻覆的事件,大陸的家族以及談判的代表聽說已經回到大陸了。\n\n00:48.115 --> 01:13.455\n那談判破裂了,不曉得院長知道這件事情嗎?我知道這件事情。我想這件事情剛才也有委員提起這件事。那我們在中華民國的這個海域裡面來加強這個商務船隻的這個侵擾加以這個調查跟驅離,我想是理所當然的應該執法,而且這也是大家的公事。那院長後續還會做什麼樣的處理情況嗎?\n\n01:16.716 --> 01:34.305\n我想後續的這個處理的情況我請那個海委會的主委來回答謝謝委員跟委員報告我們還是會一本誠意希望能夠用開放的態度能夠儘快的還能夠來化解歧見那相關的未來的發展\n\n01:35.535 --> 01:52.775\n我們會在總體做研商之後持續的來聯繫當然我們最希望的就是說這個案情能夠回歸司法的偵查然後能夠趕快釐清真相我想釐清真相對於未來的發展是最重要的關鍵\n\n01:53.776 --> 01:53.796\n韓國瑜\n\n02:10.566 --> 02:10.586\n﹚張智倫\n\n02:30.677 --> 02:31.478\n接下來就進行到我質詢的部分。\n\n02:58.806 --> 03:23.408\n首先要跟這個院長報告我來自這個新北中和選區我是這次新當選的這個立法委員要跟院長報告中和地區他地狹人稠他在新北市佔著這個土地面積將近百分之一那可是卻容納了大概十分之一四十萬人的人口所以地狹人稠而且我要跟院長報告我們中和他當時的這個\n\n03:25.049 --> 03:25.069\n﹚張智倫\n\n03:41.440 --> 04:06.271\n袁山地區過去它的基礎建設與大眾交通工具是明顯不足的。在政府的努力之下,最近有新的一條捷運叫做泰阪輕軌會接到中和。泰阪輕軌是從泰山到新莊,從板橋綠廊到到中和。可是很可惜的,它的終點站剛好連接到中和的舉光站。\n\n04:07.211 --> 04:34.518\n我們這邊覺得說是不是可以請院長跟我們交通部這邊來協助就是說希望我們圓山地區因為人口比較多那輕軌的部分如果只有一個站輕軌只有到舉光捷運站其實事實上是比較可惜的是不是可以請院長跟部長這邊來協助我想這一個輕軌的這個部分要設哪些站是要由地方政府來提出它\n\n04:35.099 --> 04:43.155\n的這個建議,然後我們這邊再看看可行性的評估是怎麼樣,然後再來做進行這樣子。\n\n04:44.073 --> 05:05.870\n好,也這邊跟院長報告,因為目前在我們的努力之下,因為從板橋接到中和舉光站這一站,中間剛好經過我們中和的壽德新村那邊。壽德新村那邊因為是屬於我們的眷村,老年人口很多,所以在我們的大家的努力之下,政府是有核定新的一個叫做壽德站。\n\n05:06.610 --> 05:06.630\n﹚張智倫\n\n05:24.742 --> 05:43.436\n國光派出所這邊變成國光站讓我們舉光路我們中和圓山地區的民眾可以有一個比較方便的交通的狀況所以我希望說院長這邊可以來協助我們而且我們圓山地區未來會蓋新建兩個社會住宅人口會變得非常的多\n\n05:44.468 --> 05:45.429\n現在太阪輕軌主要是跟萬大綜合樹林線連接聚光站\n\n06:08.308 --> 06:35.898\n那如果剛才有談到包括受的信心的需求因為它是現在這種可行性是新北市政府提出來的所以我想說你這個意見也是跟新北市政府提議那我們會按照我們的行政程序來審查好OK那再麻煩部長這邊再協助那第二個重點剛剛一直提到綜合的人口眾多那有關於國道3號綜合出口的部分其實也是\n\n06:36.479 --> 07:01.156\n民眾常常很多人擁捨在這邊跟院長報告在我們中和國道3號中和就只有一個交流道那基本上車潮非常的多每個小時的車潮會超過2000步的車潮而且時間長達7個小時所以只要只要院長如果有機會經過中和只要下街流道就發現那邊人都堵車堵得非常嚴重那這邊有\n\n07:02.259 --> 07:21.887\n最近也要感謝我們交通部高空局這邊有做一個協助有關於這個南向的部分因為當時我們中和的交流道很多南向的人要上班的人到中和的時候發現很多的人都堵在外線的一個車道在那邊堵車\n\n07:23.047 --> 07:48.796\n那早是車潮非常的擁擠那比較遵守規定的人就在外線第一個車道排隊那比較會開車的人就走外線第二個車道插隊插進去那後來很多人在反映1999後來高空局就一不做二不休把原本這個出口外面的雙板線把它給延伸結果沒有延伸還好一延伸以後原本從外線二車道插隊的人就比較不敢插隊了\n\n07:49.036 --> 07:49.056\n﹚張智倫﹚\n\n08:15.683 --> 08:39.023\n在3月底的時候會完成通車那這邊也要拜託院長在不管在跟新北市政府的溝通以及要這個道路標誌的劃線要特別要注意不要在這段時間內造成這個用路人尤其在高速公路上的一些危險這邊要拜託院長來協助可以嗎這些的部分這個剛才講的有一些調整的這個工程的部分是在\n\n08:39.802 --> 08:39.822\n﹚張智倫﹚\n\n09:08.701 --> 09:17.370\n好謝謝院長那接下來要跟您報告其實這只是國道3號綜合出口現在目前應急的一個解決的方案那其實\n\n09:18.089 --> 09:39.953\n現在高空局有提出一個14.9億的這個中期的計畫希望在我們的不管是南下北上的部分做一個14.9億的這個預算那主要是不管在南下的部分徵設一個閘道讓他可以直接連接這個板橋的出口因為過去一直以來不管是南下跟北上\n\n09:40.593 --> 09:40.613\n韓國瑜議員\n\n09:58.200 --> 10:01.362\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n10:27.296 --> 10:43.562\n整個改善的部分是新增閘道或者是不管是我們的車道增加一個車道的部分應該不會花這麼久的時間需要長達7年的時間那是不是這邊拜託院長跟部長是不是可以盡量來說短整個工程的時間\n\n10:44.622 --> 11:07.599\n委員你看在這個相冊裡面有一個不同的這個期程那實際上施工跟驗收是30個月可是前面還有一些的期程譬如說用地的取得就要一年還有這個工程設計等等的那所以我們如果能夠盡量的來說短我們盡量說短但是我這裡也要來強調就是說\n\n11:09.640 --> 11:09.660\n﹚張智倫\n\n11:25.114 --> 11:45.036\n需要大家一起努力才有辦法把這個期程縮小。我覺得要拜託院長,就像現在已經目前已經送到這個行政院做行政報告。就是說光是我們這個行政部核定的部分,其實我覺得不需要長達一年的時間,這邊的部分其實可以來做一個加速的。\n\n11:46.935 --> 12:09.378\n我們盡可能來進行但是這裡面我也要跟委員來報告就是說所有的工程在審查的過程當中我們都是很謹慎我們希望在審查能夠很完整的時候以後就會進行得更順利。報告委員我補充一下就是說我們事實上已經復院了2月23號的時候\n\n12:10.979 --> 12:13.240\n那我請問一下可行性評估報告大概院會要花多久時間核定?\n\n12:35.547 --> 12:49.712\n通常我們送院大概沒有意見就很快就會合了。對啦,好,好謝謝,那再拜託,再盡快的合訂,因為我覺得這樣的工程需要長達7年,就很多要到綜合的鄉親或綜合人,要再等待這7年的時間,其實是事實上蠻長的。\n\n12:52.455 --> 13:17.268\n好,我們會盡速來辦理啦。也就是說各方面都要努力啦。不是只有中央這邊努力而已。那個土地徵收其實也是一個很大的挑戰喔。我的說明在前面。好,謝謝院長。那第三個。委員也可以幫忙協調啦。我會來協調。那第三個是我最重視的部分,也是我覺得現在這個\n\n13:18.783 --> 13:43.676\n目前一直沒有進展的一個部分就是綜合南視角的聯外道路的問題。大家都知道我們綜合有一個非常知名的地標叫杭羅地,是拜土地公的。比較逢年過節就會很多的好朋友,綜合的鄉親或是外地來的好朋友到杭羅地來拜拜。可是大家都知道這個南視角的這個它的地形比較特別尤其它的整個的交通狀況是屬於比較葫蘆形狀的就是\n\n13:46.554 --> 14:14.177\n進去的口很窄可是腹地很大所以這邊也要拜託我們院長這邊這個南四角的連外道路我們是希望拜託一下我們可以做一個往東我們可以連接連往安坑接往中安大橋讓我們很多不管是綜合的鄉親或是外地來的朋友不要從國道3號的出口進來然後從同一個路出去如果他可以有一個連外道路實際上是可以讓很多外來的好朋友來參拜的好朋友\n\n14:14.517 --> 14:15.979\n這就是我剛才提的交通的建設要來改善等等\n\n14:33.819 --> 14:33.839\n韓國瑜議員\n\n14:55.131 --> 14:55.331\n主席\n\n15:13.422 --> 15:28.645\n我這邊要拜託院長,因為這個其實在民國97年就做過可行性評估報告,在110年又花了700萬,又要再做一次可行性評估報告,所以已經不管是我上一任的立法委員,其實他也是認同\n\n15:30.006 --> 15:47.717\n現在委員你其實掌握的很精準其實綜合最大的問題他的交通的改善就是像我們常常講的穿著西裝改西裝很困難的地方就在這裡所以\n\n15:49.077 --> 16:09.004\n這個很多可能性評估即使做出來以後呢未來要施工進行的時候也是有很多的考量這個我想我們一起來努力啦這邊真的要拜託院長因為像我們其實常去木柵動物園其實木柵動物園過去跟這個臺北101其實就是有做一個信義隧道打通這個文山地區木柵動物園跟101\n\n16:10.438 --> 16:10.458\n﹚張智倫\n\n16:34.150 --> 16:50.852\n巴西進口的雞蛋的問題很多人認為這都是有問題的雞蛋所以在這邊我要請教一下院長相關的問題這是不正確的這個講法我先請教院長的部分當時這家公司叫做超思有限公司他當時的資本額是50萬\n\n16:52.473 --> 17:09.180\n負責人叫秦宇喬出資才1000塊錢。請問一下當時你們為什麼會找這家公司來進口巴西的雞蛋?我先簡單講一下,實際上超市公司他本身這個老闆他是對於雞蛋的進出口很有經驗的。\n\n17:10.300 --> 17:10.601\n我跟委員說明\n\n17:25.297 --> 17:43.677\n當初我們在雞蛋緊急進口的時候,那我們針對貿易商,因為那時候臺灣對於國外進口的雞蛋過去都沒有這樣的一個經驗。所以我們尋找的是一個有經驗,曾經進口雞蛋到臺灣的這些業者。那另外他本身...請問一下超市過去有從巴西進口到臺灣的經驗嗎?\n\n17:45.216 --> 17:48.639\n他沒有,但是他有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗,因為他應該在111年的時候就有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗。日本到臺灣的雞蛋。從巴西進口蛋到日本。\n\n18:07.881 --> 18:13.247\n我想請教院長的是,超私從111年,當時好像是5月份才成立的,它才成立兩個月,其實國人不知道的是說,當時為什麼續產會會請超私進口日本的雞蛋,進口1000多顆的雞蛋?\n\n18:30.245 --> 18:32.348\n議長,我跟您請教,他才成立兩個月,\n\n18:47.829 --> 18:52.090\n我請教一下當時超私跟因為我們都知道齁當時在111年的時候這時候農業部長陳其中其實跟人民說那時候是不缺蛋的\n\n19:15.877 --> 19:42.810\n可是不曉得為什麼要請超司從日本進口一千多萬顆的雞蛋那我先請教一下這些雞蛋一顆進口大概多少錢我們現在目前因為一百一十一年的時候並沒有專案一百一十二年專案進口那一百一十一年那是因為剛好我請教一下一顆雞蛋大概進口多少錢他本身報價CF報價大概是五十五一箱所以換算起來有到七點六到十塊之間\n\n19:44.701 --> 19:44.921\n我跟委員說明\n\n20:10.387 --> 20:12.930\n一百一十一年的時候。一百一十二年的時候。\n\n20:32.318 --> 20:41.160\n那個我剛剛跟您報告齁,我說續產會請超市買雞蛋的時候是在111年,請他進進口。110年就有部分做調節的時候他有去買。\n\n20:43.374 --> 21:06.246\n所以我請問說為什麼當時續產會他不親自去買日本的雞蛋要透過超市去買日本的雞蛋?我想很多貿易本身的雞蛋貿易本身你要有對這個雞蛋的貿易是有熟悉的為什麼續產會沒有這樣的能力嗎?每年國人給了這麼多的預算以及續產會有這麼多的人員而且當時我們知道是說日本的雞蛋其實是比其他東南亞國家來的貴\n\n21:11.010 --> 21:25.239\n簡單來講,我跟院長報告,這樣就會讓國人認為其實是有圖利而且偏愛超思的這樣一個情形。請院長回答。我想很重要的續場會他的所有的職長當中很重要的一個職長是調整、調節我們的這個豬肉的供應為主。\n\n21:26.340 --> 21:26.780\n我請教一下院長,那為什麼?\n\n21:50.645 --> 22:17.275\n為什麼不請其他廠商,一定要請超市來進口?就是我剛才講過,我們當初其實我們都有洽詢了非常多的貿易商以我們了解。當時還是不是很缺雞蛋的時候嗎?對,但是他不像112年3月,就是去年3月那麼嚴重。但是那時候還有一些波動,所以當國內的調度沒有辦法滿足的時候,那時候續產會有一部分是透過貿易商從日本先調度。\n\n22:18.934 --> 22:20.156\n請問大概一顆的價格買多少錢?你剛剛講的是大概多少錢?\n\n22:31.209 --> 22:56.445\n我們講平均,那時候大概是7.6塊到10塊之間。包含關稅跟...沒有,不包含關稅的部分,我們是買斷的部分。那詳細的資料我想我們如果能夠了解的話可以匯報給你。匯報再給委員,因為這個數字不太容易記得。所以我也跟委員說明,以我的態度就是我們能夠公開可以提供給委員,我們絕對不會惡意的就是故意的說不提供。\n\n22:57.085 --> 23:22.094\n那相關的因為有一些相關的這些資訊符合政府資訊公開法的部分他有不適合提供的我們才不會提供特別是牽涉到他本身之間的貿易之間的這些廠商他們的相關的營業秘密我們才不會給所以說會後可以提供我超市當時進口日本雞蛋的報價單那個價格我大概可以提供給你而且我聽說是說有沒有簽合約\n\n23:23.612 --> 23:24.213\n不同的採購方式\n\n23:42.625 --> 24:01.165\n其實本席要提的就是說這就是人民覺得對超市有意見的地方因為超市當時在111年的時候只成立了兩個月人民不知道的是他只成立兩個月去產會就請他從日本進口了1000多萬克的雞蛋到隔年112年的3月那時候他不知道為什麼停業\n\n24:01.986 --> 24:14.379\n然後3月份的時候續產會又請他進口8千多萬顆的雞蛋。而且今天的報導也顯示現在所有的當時進口進來的雞蛋還有5千多萬顆是等待要報廢的。\n\n24:15.694 --> 24:44.005\n所以照我的了解來講我要跟院長報告就是說在不缺蛋的時候請超私進口日本雞蛋在真正缺蛋的時候請超私進口巴西的雞蛋結果進口進來了以後又跟大家說因為不好意思這個雞蛋現在已經不是那麼缺了所以剩下還有5000多塊顆的雞蛋等著報廢這是院長我覺得這是浪費人民的納稅錢院長你怎麼看\n\n24:44.642 --> 25:07.678\n在所有的這個雞蛋的供應的過程當中我們在當時確實是缺蛋所以需要有從國外來進口那進口的蛋本來就有兩種用途一個是當殼蛋賣一個就是當液蛋來處理那在當時的估算我們一天大概少兩百\n\n25:08.719 --> 25:33.509\n兩百萬顆嘛所以我們就按照這樣的估計來進來但是呢當我們開始進口這個雞蛋的時候呢我們民間的護養的部分呢也有慢慢的上來那在上來的時候我們原先已經跟人家訂好契約的這個部分當然還要繼續進口嘛所以才會有所謂的剩餘的這個部分那我們盡可能的把它種業蛋來處理是這樣子的\n\n25:34.271 --> 25:38.002\n我的論壇報告齁,這個其實你們沒有用業單來處理,你們是整個雞蛋全部都要報廢齁?\n\n25:40.677 --> 25:42.018\n不好意思,因為我時間有限,我要打斷你的話。\n\n26:04.336 --> 26:25.866\n所以院長這邊我們還是要希望第一個你們可以提供我有關於續產會當時請託這個超市111年進口日本蛋的報價單我想要了解那相關的金流可不可以提供給我到底為什麼一家50萬資本的公司他有那麼大的能力去進口1000多萬克的雞蛋這樣的這個金流可不可以提供給本席\n\n26:26.226 --> 26:51.378\n我跟委員再一次大概30秒就可以齁。我們在進口雞蛋的時候每一批的蛋款都是由超市先付。第二個就是他有兩張本票將近4000萬是在合約裡面是壓著的。那是巴西,是巴西。對對巴西的部分。那這就是讓本席就覺得質疑的他是不是因為是因為進口日本雞蛋所賺的錢讓他有這麼大的金額的本票。沒有沒有沒有。或是存款的金額可以來去做這個單保的部分。我覺得這是不對的齁。\n\n26:52.639 --> 27:10.671\n因為本身我們的標案是一個委託案那他只賺他的百分之八的服務費不好意思還是要打斷一下你的話所以基本上只要你提供這個資料本席就可以了解說這中間沒有利益輸送的問題那我請教一下可不可以提供我超市的股東名單\n\n27:14.512 --> 27:30.258\n因為這個是有關於食安健康的問題,如果可以讓民眾知道說進口超市的雞蛋這些股東跟本身政府單位人員其實是沒有任何的利益糾葛的話,我其實認為大家對這個進口雞蛋的問題也不會認為政府如此的護航超市啊。\n\n27:31.572 --> 27:58.042\n我想我在這裏要澄清一次我們進口的雞蛋都沒有食安的問題只是說我們進來的時候呢我要跟委員長報告他當時進口的時候的確有發生他進口出來檢驗出來的雞蛋是有問題的的確是有發生食安問題我要跟委員委員順報那個有問題的雞蛋是我們在邊境攔檢的時候查到的所以這些雞蛋就是退役我需要會後好不好我需要會後院長還是可以提供我這樣的資料那我要講他進行第三題\n\n27:59.315 --> 28:20.916\n有關於最近那個新聞一直報導說4月份電費即將漲價我在這邊是不是可以跟院長請議一下為什麼電費4月份一定要漲價因為過去以來不管是蔡英文總統一直說電費10年不能漲那現在說電費要漲價我覺得這全民都不能認同那尤其大家都知道綠電現在是\n\n28:23.158 --> 28:42.461\n大家的坊間都在傳綠油油,綠能就是可以賺大錢,排電虧損。那我這邊希望院長這個部分,第一個因為時間的關係是不是可以答應我說,因為4月份漲電價馬上就到用電高峰的時期,是不是可以等到520未來或者是下半年度以後才漲電價。\n\n28:43.713 --> 29:04.004\n我們本來就是4月份就是要有調整。那這個調整的幅度大概是多少?有電價審議委員會。對,電價審議委員會不是一年開幾次?兩次。那是不是可以等到下半年再來調整?因為基本上我記得美化部長也有說,他說如果不調整電價的話到年底\n\n29:04.804 --> 29:04.824\n﹚張智倫﹚\n\n29:22.037 --> 29:22.217\n我們是按時間來調啦\n\n29:49.415 --> 30:04.140\n每年開兩次會是不是可以苦民所苦到下半年度再來做這個電費的調整?或者是說可以部分來去做調整?到底4月份要漲多少電費?是不是可以這邊說明一下?我想我們剛才講過一定是電價審議委員會做最後的這個拍板來決定。\n\n30:08.061 --> 30:11.624\n最後再拜託院長,因為我們有去查綠電相關的公司,有一家公司螢幕上有表示,它在最近這幾年,它的EPS成長很多。\n\n30:50.452 --> 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謝謝院長那接下來要跟您報告其實這只是國道3號綜合出口現在目前應急的一個解決的方案那其實"},{"start":558.089,"end":579.953,"text":"現在高空局有提出一個14.9億的這個中期的計畫希望在我們的不管是南下北上的部分做一個14.9億的這個預算那主要是不管在南下的部分徵設一個閘道讓他可以直接連接這個板橋的出口因為過去一直以來不管是南下跟北上"},{"start":580.593,"end":580.613,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":598.2,"end":601.362,"text":"新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞"},{"start":627.296,"end":643.562,"text":"整個改善的部分是新增閘道或者是不管是我們的車道增加一個車道的部分應該不會花這麼久的時間需要長達7年的時間那是不是這邊拜託院長跟部長是不是可以盡量來說短整個工程的時間"},{"start":644.622,"end":667.599,"text":"委員你看在這個相冊裡面有一個不同的這個期程那實際上施工跟驗收是30個月可是前面還有一些的期程譬如說用地的取得就要一年還有這個工程設計等等的那所以我們如果能夠盡量的來說短我們盡量說短但是我這裡也要來強調就是說"},{"start":669.64,"end":669.66,"text":"﹚張智倫"},{"start":685.114,"end":705.036,"text":"需要大家一起努力才有辦法把這個期程縮小。我覺得要拜託院長,就像現在已經目前已經送到這個行政院做行政報告。就是說光是我們這個行政部核定的部分,其實我覺得不需要長達一年的時間,這邊的部分其實可以來做一個加速的。"},{"start":706.935,"end":729.378,"text":"我們盡可能來進行但是這裡面我也要跟委員來報告就是說所有的工程在審查的過程當中我們都是很謹慎我們希望在審查能夠很完整的時候以後就會進行得更順利。報告委員我補充一下就是說我們事實上已經復院了2月23號的時候"},{"start":730.979,"end":733.24,"text":"那我請問一下可行性評估報告大概院會要花多久時間核定?"},{"start":755.547,"end":769.712,"text":"通常我們送院大概沒有意見就很快就會合了。對啦,好,好謝謝,那再拜託,再盡快的合訂,因為我覺得這樣的工程需要長達7年,就很多要到綜合的鄉親或綜合人,要再等待這7年的時間,其實是事實上蠻長的。"},{"start":772.455,"end":797.268,"text":"好,我們會盡速來辦理啦。也就是說各方面都要努力啦。不是只有中央這邊努力而已。那個土地徵收其實也是一個很大的挑戰喔。我的說明在前面。好,謝謝院長。那第三個。委員也可以幫忙協調啦。我會來協調。那第三個是我最重視的部分,也是我覺得現在這個"},{"start":798.783,"end":823.676,"text":"目前一直沒有進展的一個部分就是綜合南視角的聯外道路的問題。大家都知道我們綜合有一個非常知名的地標叫杭羅地,是拜土地公的。比較逢年過節就會很多的好朋友,綜合的鄉親或是外地來的好朋友到杭羅地來拜拜。可是大家都知道這個南視角的這個它的地形比較特別尤其它的整個的交通狀況是屬於比較葫蘆形狀的就是"},{"start":826.554,"end":854.177,"text":"進去的口很窄可是腹地很大所以這邊也要拜託我們院長這邊這個南四角的連外道路我們是希望拜託一下我們可以做一個往東我們可以連接連往安坑接往中安大橋讓我們很多不管是綜合的鄉親或是外地來的朋友不要從國道3號的出口進來然後從同一個路出去如果他可以有一個連外道路實際上是可以讓很多外來的好朋友來參拜的好朋友"},{"start":854.517,"end":855.979,"text":"這就是我剛才提的交通的建設要來改善等等"},{"start":873.819,"end":873.839,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":895.131,"end":895.331,"text":"主席"},{"start":913.422,"end":928.645,"text":"我這邊要拜託院長,因為這個其實在民國97年就做過可行性評估報告,在110年又花了700萬,又要再做一次可行性評估報告,所以已經不管是我上一任的立法委員,其實他也是認同"},{"start":930.006,"end":947.717,"text":"現在委員你其實掌握的很精準其實綜合最大的問題他的交通的改善就是像我們常常講的穿著西裝改西裝很困難的地方就在這裡所以"},{"start":949.077,"end":969.004,"text":"這個很多可能性評估即使做出來以後呢未來要施工進行的時候也是有很多的考量這個我想我們一起來努力啦這邊真的要拜託院長因為像我們其實常去木柵動物園其實木柵動物園過去跟這個臺北101其實就是有做一個信義隧道打通這個文山地區木柵動物園跟101"},{"start":970.438,"end":970.458,"text":"﹚張智倫"},{"start":994.15,"end":1010.852,"text":"巴西進口的雞蛋的問題很多人認為這都是有問題的雞蛋所以在這邊我要請教一下院長相關的問題這是不正確的這個講法我先請教院長的部分當時這家公司叫做超思有限公司他當時的資本額是50萬"},{"start":1012.473,"end":1029.18,"text":"負責人叫秦宇喬出資才1000塊錢。請問一下當時你們為什麼會找這家公司來進口巴西的雞蛋?我先簡單講一下,實際上超市公司他本身這個老闆他是對於雞蛋的進出口很有經驗的。"},{"start":1030.3,"end":1030.601,"text":"我跟委員說明"},{"start":1045.297,"end":1063.677,"text":"當初我們在雞蛋緊急進口的時候,那我們針對貿易商,因為那時候臺灣對於國外進口的雞蛋過去都沒有這樣的一個經驗。所以我們尋找的是一個有經驗,曾經進口雞蛋到臺灣的這些業者。那另外他本身...請問一下超市過去有從巴西進口到臺灣的經驗嗎?"},{"start":1065.216,"end":1068.639,"text":"他沒有,但是他有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗,因為他應該在111年的時候就有進口雞蛋到臺灣的經驗。日本到臺灣的雞蛋。從巴西進口蛋到日本。"},{"start":1087.881,"end":1093.247,"text":"我想請教院長的是,超私從111年,當時好像是5月份才成立的,它才成立兩個月,其實國人不知道的是說,當時為什麼續產會會請超私進口日本的雞蛋,進口1000多顆的雞蛋?"},{"start":1110.245,"end":1112.348,"text":"議長,我跟您請教,他才成立兩個月,"},{"start":1127.829,"end":1132.09,"text":"我請教一下當時超私跟因為我們都知道齁當時在111年的時候這時候農業部長陳其中其實跟人民說那時候是不缺蛋的"},{"start":1155.877,"end":1182.81,"text":"可是不曉得為什麼要請超司從日本進口一千多萬顆的雞蛋那我先請教一下這些雞蛋一顆進口大概多少錢我們現在目前因為一百一十一年的時候並沒有專案一百一十二年專案進口那一百一十一年那是因為剛好我請教一下一顆雞蛋大概進口多少錢他本身報價CF報價大概是五十五一箱所以換算起來有到七點六到十塊之間"},{"start":1184.701,"end":1184.921,"text":"我跟委員說明"},{"start":1210.387,"end":1212.93,"text":"一百一十一年的時候。一百一十二年的時候。"},{"start":1232.318,"end":1241.16,"text":"那個我剛剛跟您報告齁,我說續產會請超市買雞蛋的時候是在111年,請他進進口。110年就有部分做調節的時候他有去買。"},{"start":1243.374,"end":1266.246,"text":"所以我請問說為什麼當時續產會他不親自去買日本的雞蛋要透過超市去買日本的雞蛋?我想很多貿易本身的雞蛋貿易本身你要有對這個雞蛋的貿易是有熟悉的為什麼續產會沒有這樣的能力嗎?每年國人給了這麼多的預算以及續產會有這麼多的人員而且當時我們知道是說日本的雞蛋其實是比其他東南亞國家來的貴"},{"start":1271.01,"end":1285.239,"text":"簡單來講,我跟院長報告,這樣就會讓國人認為其實是有圖利而且偏愛超思的這樣一個情形。請院長回答。我想很重要的續場會他的所有的職長當中很重要的一個職長是調整、調節我們的這個豬肉的供應為主。"},{"start":1286.34,"end":1286.78,"text":"我請教一下院長,那為什麼?"},{"start":1310.645,"end":1337.275,"text":"為什麼不請其他廠商,一定要請超市來進口?就是我剛才講過,我們當初其實我們都有洽詢了非常多的貿易商以我們了解。當時還是不是很缺雞蛋的時候嗎?對,但是他不像112年3月,就是去年3月那麼嚴重。但是那時候還有一些波動,所以當國內的調度沒有辦法滿足的時候,那時候續產會有一部分是透過貿易商從日本先調度。"},{"start":1338.934,"end":1340.156,"text":"請問大概一顆的價格買多少錢?你剛剛講的是大概多少錢?"},{"start":1351.209,"end":1376.445,"text":"我們講平均,那時候大概是7.6塊到10塊之間。包含關稅跟...沒有,不包含關稅的部分,我們是買斷的部分。那詳細的資料我想我們如果能夠了解的話可以匯報給你。匯報再給委員,因為這個數字不太容易記得。所以我也跟委員說明,以我的態度就是我們能夠公開可以提供給委員,我們絕對不會惡意的就是故意的說不提供。"},{"start":1377.085,"end":1402.094,"text":"那相關的因為有一些相關的這些資訊符合政府資訊公開法的部分他有不適合提供的我們才不會提供特別是牽涉到他本身之間的貿易之間的這些廠商他們的相關的營業秘密我們才不會給所以說會後可以提供我超市當時進口日本雞蛋的報價單那個價格我大概可以提供給你而且我聽說是說有沒有簽合約"},{"start":1403.612,"end":1404.213,"text":"不同的採購方式"},{"start":1422.625,"end":1441.165,"text":"其實本席要提的就是說這就是人民覺得對超市有意見的地方因為超市當時在111年的時候只成立了兩個月人民不知道的是他只成立兩個月去產會就請他從日本進口了1000多萬克的雞蛋到隔年112年的3月那時候他不知道為什麼停業"},{"start":1441.986,"end":1454.379,"text":"然後3月份的時候續產會又請他進口8千多萬顆的雞蛋。而且今天的報導也顯示現在所有的當時進口進來的雞蛋還有5千多萬顆是等待要報廢的。"},{"start":1455.694,"end":1484.005,"text":"所以照我的了解來講我要跟院長報告就是說在不缺蛋的時候請超私進口日本雞蛋在真正缺蛋的時候請超私進口巴西的雞蛋結果進口進來了以後又跟大家說因為不好意思這個雞蛋現在已經不是那麼缺了所以剩下還有5000多塊顆的雞蛋等著報廢這是院長我覺得這是浪費人民的納稅錢院長你怎麼看"},{"start":1484.642,"end":1507.678,"text":"在所有的這個雞蛋的供應的過程當中我們在當時確實是缺蛋所以需要有從國外來進口那進口的蛋本來就有兩種用途一個是當殼蛋賣一個就是當液蛋來處理那在當時的估算我們一天大概少兩百"},{"start":1508.719,"end":1533.509,"text":"兩百萬顆嘛所以我們就按照這樣的估計來進來但是呢當我們開始進口這個雞蛋的時候呢我們民間的護養的部分呢也有慢慢的上來那在上來的時候我們原先已經跟人家訂好契約的這個部分當然還要繼續進口嘛所以才會有所謂的剩餘的這個部分那我們盡可能的把它種業蛋來處理是這樣子的"},{"start":1534.271,"end":1538.002,"text":"我的論壇報告齁,這個其實你們沒有用業單來處理,你們是整個雞蛋全部都要報廢齁?"},{"start":1540.677,"end":1542.018,"text":"不好意思,因為我時間有限,我要打斷你的話。"},{"start":1564.336,"end":1585.866,"text":"所以院長這邊我們還是要希望第一個你們可以提供我有關於續產會當時請託這個超市111年進口日本蛋的報價單我想要了解那相關的金流可不可以提供給我到底為什麼一家50萬資本的公司他有那麼大的能力去進口1000多萬克的雞蛋這樣的這個金流可不可以提供給本席"},{"start":1586.226,"end":1611.378,"text":"我跟委員再一次大概30秒就可以齁。我們在進口雞蛋的時候每一批的蛋款都是由超市先付。第二個就是他有兩張本票將近4000萬是在合約裡面是壓著的。那是巴西,是巴西。對對巴西的部分。那這就是讓本席就覺得質疑的他是不是因為是因為進口日本雞蛋所賺的錢讓他有這麼大的金額的本票。沒有沒有沒有。或是存款的金額可以來去做這個單保的部分。我覺得這是不對的齁。"},{"start":1612.639,"end":1630.671,"text":"因為本身我們的標案是一個委託案那他只賺他的百分之八的服務費不好意思還是要打斷一下你的話所以基本上只要你提供這個資料本席就可以了解說這中間沒有利益輸送的問題那我請教一下可不可以提供我超市的股東名單"},{"start":1634.512,"end":1650.258,"text":"因為這個是有關於食安健康的問題,如果可以讓民眾知道說進口超市的雞蛋這些股東跟本身政府單位人員其實是沒有任何的利益糾葛的話,我其實認為大家對這個進口雞蛋的問題也不會認為政府如此的護航超市啊。"},{"start":1651.572,"end":1678.042,"text":"我想我在這裏要澄清一次我們進口的雞蛋都沒有食安的問題只是說我們進來的時候呢我要跟委員長報告他當時進口的時候的確有發生他進口出來檢驗出來的雞蛋是有問題的的確是有發生食安問題我要跟委員 委員順報那個有問題的雞蛋是我們在邊境攔檢的時候查到的所以這些雞蛋就是退役我需要會後好不好我需要會後院長還是可以提供我這樣的資料那我要講他進行第三題"},{"start":1679.315,"end":1700.916,"text":"有關於最近那個新聞一直報導說4月份電費即將漲價我在這邊是不是可以跟院長請議一下為什麼電費4月份一定要漲價因為過去以來不管是蔡英文總統一直說電費10年不能漲那現在說電費要漲價我覺得這全民都不能認同那尤其大家都知道綠電現在是"},{"start":1703.158,"end":1722.461,"text":"大家的坊間都在傳綠油油,綠能就是可以賺大錢,排電虧損。那我這邊希望院長這個部分,第一個因為時間的關係是不是可以答應我說,因為4月份漲電價馬上就到用電高峰的時期,是不是可以等到520未來或者是下半年度以後才漲電價。"},{"start":1723.713,"end":1744.004,"text":"我們本來就是4月份就是要有調整。那這個調整的幅度大概是多少?有電價審議委員會。對,電價審議委員會不是一年開幾次?兩次。那是不是可以等到下半年再來調整?因為基本上我記得美化部長也有說,他說如果不調整電價的話到年底"},{"start":1744.804,"end":1744.824,"text":"﹚張智倫﹚"},{"start":1762.037,"end":1762.217,"text":"我們是按時間來調啦"},{"start":1789.415,"end":1804.14,"text":"每年開兩次會是不是可以苦民所苦到下半年度再來做這個電費的調整?或者是說可以部分來去做調整?到底4月份要漲多少電費?是不是可以這邊說明一下?我想我們剛才講過一定是電價審議委員會做最後的這個拍板來決定。"},{"start":1808.061,"end":1811.624,"text":"最後再拜託院長,因為我們有去查綠電相關的公司,有一家公司螢幕上有表示,它在最近這幾年,它的EPS成長很多。"},{"start":1850.452,"end":1850.634,"text":"謝謝張委員、智倫的"}]}}}}