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--> 00:01:35,889\n您覺得這一個經濟成長率的預估符合現在實際的標準嗎?是,我跟委員報告就是說我剛才報告的時候現在看起來就是說比較調高的部分就是出口的部分\n\n5\n00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:18,882\n在網上調?有沒有這樣的空間跟可行性?我是覺得他有他的依據跟合理性,我們要調高的。那所以就是我們要持續觀察到底是不是還有可能是變化情況。所以這個要讓您看一下齁。\n\n6\n00:02:24,688 --> 00:02:45,776\n您們的這個燈號指數啊最近也同時發表了這個燈號指數嘛是你們的這個計算的標準跟指標其實有做了一些微調所以呢睽違17個月之後1月份的景氣燈號指數是亮了綠燈喔是那有的人認為說是不是因為你的這個指標改變所以\n\n7\n00:02:46,716 --> 00:02:58,187\n要符合你的所謂的指標改變然後做了一個這樣子的綠燈的調整這個我覺得國發會可能需要來說明一下我讓你有幾分鐘的時間說明我們如果用舊的指標答案一樣也是一樣的是綠燈\n\n8\n00:03:05,453 --> 00:03:33,245\n所以不是因為指標的改變不是因為指標改變的關係是因為不管你用舊的或者是新的標準去計算一樣是27分一樣是會達到綠燈沒有錯那主要的原因是因為那個舊的指標它我們經過反覆的測試以後它有點鈍化了沒有辦法去反映這個所以這個其實我們在去年也跟您請教過嘛已經有對所以這不是技術性不是技術性的對那您覺得這樣的一個景氣指標\n\n9\n00:03:34,867 --> 00:04:01,625\n未來的前景它會持續往上呢?或者是說至少這個綠燈的信號可以維持多久?它不會是因為比如說我們1月2月可能遇到農曆的春節啦等等這一些採買所以你的整個景氣燈號是亮綠燈您覺得舊國發會的專業評估未來上半年的台灣的景氣指數能夠持續這樣的維持或者是會一路往上走嗎?\n\n10\n00:04:02,125 --> 00:04:02,666\n議員提出的事項是關於經濟的變化．\n\n11\n00:04:21,607 --> 00:04:42,562\n所以它是一個比較穩定性的因為你說如果比較這個前瞻的這個指標它可能會變來變去訂單可能變但是你一旦你生產銷售全面性的翻轉的話那它不會是因為過年春節的這個關係還是說其實還是要在longterm一點的去觀察比如說到3月、4月\n\n12\n00:04:43,963 --> 00:04:46,865\n當然當然持續觀察我們一定要做的啦但是因為現在3月了嘛那2月份有一些資料已經陸續出來的我們有做一個頻寬\n\n13\n00:05:06,554 --> 00:05:08,036\n主委我接下來要請教的我覺得這個電腦好像還是怪怪的好這個\n\n14\n00:05:26,656 --> 00:05:44,975\n今年是農年那我們的少子化的問題其實這個也是非常嚴重的國安議題根據內政部的這個統計雖然我們這個去年的人口已經不再負成長了但是我們的新生兒的人數再創新低\n\n15\n00:05:46,662 --> 00:06:15,138\n我到目前為止其實還沒有很完整的看出國發會對於少子化的這個問題我們相關的政策是什麼我們過去這幾個月或者是過去的這一兩年我們大概都討論的是整個經濟的成長出口或者是缺工或者是白領移入的問題那對於少子化這件事情國發會有什麼相關的政策那你們推動的成效是什麼\n\n16\n00:06:16,906 --> 00:06:45,953\n發言委員因為國發會主要關注的是整體的人口．他的變化那人口的變化當然就是有少子化的部分甚至有老年化結構的部分還有是英文的部分我其實下一題要問你老年化結構的部分我看起來你好像對少子化這一題沒有研究那我如果問你老年化．人口老年化的這個部分因為少子化的部分在行政院有一個推動的一個機制是林政委在督導那我們當然有參與\n\n17\n00:06:46,873 --> 00:06:46,893\n﹚邱議瑩﹚\n\n18\n00:07:03,985 --> 00:07:31,876\n好了,少子化這一題我看起來你研究的幅度不是太大啦應該都是林政委在研究不過其實這是一個牽扯性的比如說我們現在的少子化孩子生得少青少年的人口數其實也一直在減少反而中老年的人口是在大幅增加所以如果你們對於中老年的關切度是比較高的話來\n\n19\n00:07:34,113 --> 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