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00:01:04,410\n不知道這幾年齁去年3.1萬那前年4.1萬那這幾年會比較多是因為因為前幾年那個疫情影響齁那邊際管制移工進不來整個供需失調所以尤其在111年的時候哇整個人數我們失聯率達到5.96那去年已經降下來4點多\n\n4\n00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:23,876\n那你現在要引進印度的移工那你的理想台灣是要需要多少移工才是屋頂是差不多多少?報告委員我們其實移工的總數我們其實會有一些評估那目前來講\n\n5\n00:01:26,127 --> 00:01:54,161\n移工的引進其實跟失聯那是兩個議題那移工的引進的部分我們只要是看國內的缺工狀態那其實以目前來講整個缺工還是所以隨時調整隨時調整他的上限人數理想人數我們沒有一個上限人數我們現在就是警戒指標我們是用警戒指標來看就是說如果這個可能看警戒指標這個移工的引進有需要緊縮那我們會再\n\n6\n00:01:57,531 --> 00:02:13,081\n現在年輕人最擔心最擔心最擔心的這是什麼一直進來會不會影響他們的就業第二個會不會影響他們的薪資拉不上來第三個婦女同胞最關心的是治安這個你的看法怎麼樣\n\n7\n00:02:14,014 --> 00:02:35,789\n第一個報告委員我們移工的引進是一個補充性原則我們的就業還是以本國人優先所以縱使是開放的行業開放引進移工的行業雇主先必須進行依照我們目前國內的薪資條件去進行招募找不到人他才可以進移工\n\n8\n00:02:36,590 --> 00:03:00,478\n所以基本上不會去影響到本國的就業機會那第二個新資因為其實本外勞是平等待遇原則這個移工進來像製造業他一樣要適用基本工資所以這個不會去拉...我在東港看到一個很很SHOCK的這個場景就是我們台灣的年輕人送副胖打上去跟東港的賣頭\n\n9\n00:03:03,917 --> 00:03:21,526\n上齁在沿洋漁船上的外籍漁工抓他的我看了真的很羞愧我們那個人少年人騎上湖龐大去找那間外籍我說這個應該是香港才對齁所以\n\n10\n00:03:28,624 --> 00:03:43,957\n委員其實還好,因為他們畢竟在船上可能要上來陸地去用這樣可能不太方便,這個外送其實不管本國人外國人大家都是一個很方便的一個\n\n11\n00:03:44,697 --> 00:03:46,298\n﹚蘇清泉﹚蘇清泉﹚\n\n12\n00:04:13,332 --> 00:04:37,221\n這個都會講到又會講到說有種族什麼這個不能講就像你講說輻射一樣你講到輻射這個是很敏感的問題好我第二個問題要問巴士亮表開放就放寬之後這個是侯友宜選總統的時候他提出來那是我提的啦我是醫療後援會總會長\n\n13\n00:04:40,887 --> 00:05:04,113\n開放之後真的是讓很多高齡的比較方便因為我第一線的意思我也沒有在想給很好是一個好的政策過去8年都不做等到人家提出來就馬上做那現在看護外籍看護移工也包括看護嘛現在看護開放之後你們的回饋是怎麼樣\n\n14\n00:05:05,424 --> 00:05:19,558\n就是讓這些家庭真的最近開放了不少齁讓他們都減輕了不少的負擔部長你剛有說回饋就基層的回饋有沒有\n\n15\n00:05:22,168 --> 00:05:42,230\n我們現在不僅用巴士量表,我們有多元認定方式目前採多元認定方式的人到今年2月15日為止大概就是7700多人,申請上會更方便,包括我們也簡化重聘的程序\n\n16\n00:05:45,452 --> 00:05:58,977\n第三個比較敏感的問題這些外勞、外籍移工他們都身強體壯、年輕體壯他們進到台灣僱主跟他分攤都有繳健保費嘛對不對那他們有使用健保嗎\n\n17\n00:06:00,148 --> 00:06:21,763\n那這些外籍移工或者是外籍的配偶來到臺灣他們都有繳健保費然後使用健保我給大家粗算這些人的生病的比例不高啦那像移工大部分都是意外所以我們的健保局應該是有結與的有結與喔?沒有說結果比較多那同樣的道理\n\n18\n00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:45,120\n大陸來的配偶也是年輕力壯也是要繳健保費使用健保所以有說不一樣嗎為什麼要給他搞成說會耗用健保等等我是覺得這是沒有邏輯啦那你健保的費用不夠\n\n19\n00:06:46,343 --> 00:07:02,468\n那是你另外一個issue另外一個題目就是說你的健保還不夠你就提高費利嘛提高健保費等等所以這個這個是比較敏感的問題大家要了解了我這裡跟大家報告再來接續的問題我們那個漁船\n\n20\n00:07:07,692 --> 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00:41.507\n部長,我們現在外籍移工進來台灣總共75萬多人,裡面有包括跑掉的嗎?包括。跑掉的一年差不多多少人?\n\n00:42.967 --> 01:04.410\n不知道這幾年齁去年3.1萬那前年4.1萬那這幾年會比較多是因為因為前幾年那個疫情影響齁那邊際管制移工進不來整個供需失調所以尤其在111年的時候哇整個人數我們失聯率達到5.96那去年已經降下來4點多\n\n01:04.690 --> 01:23.876\n那你現在要引進印度的移工那你的理想台灣是要需要多少移工才是屋頂是差不多多少?報告委員我們其實移工的總數我們其實會有一些評估那目前來講\n\n01:26.127 --> 01:54.161\n移工的引進其實跟失聯那是兩個議題那移工的引進的部分我們只要是看國內的缺工狀態那其實以目前來講整個缺工還是所以隨時調整隨時調整他的上限人數理想人數我們沒有一個上限人數我們現在就是警戒指標我們是用警戒指標來看就是說如果這個可能看警戒指標這個移工的引進有需要緊縮那我們會再\n\n01:57.531 --> 02:13.081\n現在年輕人最擔心最擔心最擔心的這是什麼一直進來會不會影響他們的就業第二個會不會影響他們的薪資拉不上來第三個婦女同胞最關心的是治安這個你的看法怎麼樣\n\n02:14.014 --> 02:35.789\n第一個報告委員我們移工的引進是一個補充性原則我們的就業還是以本國人優先所以縱使是開放的行業開放引進移工的行業雇主先必須進行依照我們目前國內的薪資條件去進行招募找不到人他才可以進移工\n\n02:36.590 --> 03:00.478\n所以基本上不會去影響到本國的就業機會那第二個新資因為其實本外勞是平等待遇原則這個移工進來像製造業他一樣要適用基本工資所以這個不會去拉...我在東港看到一個很很SHOCK的這個場景就是我們台灣的年輕人送副胖打上去跟東港的賣頭\n\n03:03.917 --> 03:21.526\n上齁在沿洋漁船上的外籍漁工抓他的我看了真的很羞愧我們那個人少年人騎上湖龐大去找那間外籍我說這個應該是香港才對齁所以\n\n03:28.624 --> 03:43.957\n委員其實還好,因為他們畢竟在船上可能要上來陸地去用這樣可能不太方便,這個外送其實不管本國人外國人大家都是一個很方便的一個\n\n03:44.697 --> 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