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00:01:30,776\n這個業務的需求也符合政府施政的方針好謝謝委員我想這分兩個方面來講那個上一年112年的五部議會的主改大概我們人力精簡大概682位然後一個很重要的就是我們在主改的目標我們不希望造成一種大家錯誤的印象就\n\n5\n00:01:32,271 --> 00:01:57,248\n業主改機關的業膨脹所以我們把該減的這些延額去做適當的一個減少當然在上一年從8月1號開始到目前的這半年中間也有一些新成立的一個機關他們在業務運作上他需要額外增加的人事實上我們都有跟他們溝通甚至我們還派同仁\n\n6\n00:01:57,788 --> 00:02:25,530\n現場去看該給的人我們還是有給那第二個比較常態性的做法就是我們有兩年一度的一個延額評鑑那延額評鑑這是一個非常扎實的一個工作我們會請所有二級機關來去做兩年一度的延額評鑑那最近這兩次我們有做一些微調等於平常我們在看的是以二級機關的角度\n\n7\n00:02:26,611 --> 00:02:53,349\n現在我們會抽幾個業務比較重點的像水利署、林業保育署或者移民署這些重點的機關我們直接就進到三級機關去協助他們針對嚴若評鑑的一些結果去做一些適當的接應比如像資訊化很多機關都已經有資訊化可是資訊化裡面我們發現資訊化的速度不夠前面\n\n8\n00:02:53,769 --> 00:02:54,189\n陳俊宇\n\n9\n00:03:07,922 --> 00:03:34,981\n像移民署來講移民署我們也去看了兩趟去看了兩趟因為現在很多E-GATE自動通關了嘛像日本還有新加坡他們都大量利用那個自動化能源辨識的這一種生物特徵的來加速通關嘛那這一部分我們坦白講也有跟移民署也做了很多的互動那同樣的這一部分我也取得了內政部長的支持好\n\n10\n00:03:36,144 --> 00:04:05,180\n那聽起來應該我們就是針對這個部分都有在落實做檢討那也秉持我們這個人事總處的這個當增則增當減則減的這個原則我希望說因為你在原額做調整做分配的過程裡面也不要去影響到我們公務人員的一個基本條件他在做工作的時候不要說工作量暴增還是說我們為了要減少人事的開銷然後把人減到讓他們工作量\n\n11\n00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:05,840\n委員會主席\n\n12\n00:04:33,599 --> 00:04:53,514\n來投入這個工作我們行政院從2013年4月定定的這個行政院所屬的地方機關學校員工協助方案包括這個工作適應生涯規劃還有這個法律諮詢稅務債務保險等這個財務規劃還有心理健康等多方面的服務\n\n13\n00:04:56,505 --> 00:05:18,198\n本期最關心的當然就是公務人員的這個心理健康問題現在不管是民間的企業還是學校都更加的重視員工的這個還有學生的這個心理健康問題可是不同措施機制的這個因應會讓我們公務人員的心理狀況在過去恐怕是一個比較被忽視的一個區塊\n\n14\n00:05:21,295 --> 00:05:42,802\n現在社會普遍認為公務人員因為他們的工作穩定單純在旁人來看他是一個鐵飯碗那近年來因為公務人員離職的相關問題越來越多雖然大部分的人都是說是個人的這個因素而提出離職可是從實際的觀察來看\n\n15\n00:05:45,003 --> 00:05:58,878\n很多人都是因為所謂的心累我想請教我們人事長關於公務人員的心理健康問題我們人事總處在推動員工的協助方案方面我們處理的情況如何\n\n16\n00:06:00,285 --> 00:06:26,850\n謝謝委員給我這個機會來說明事實上從102年我們重新整建整個行政院跟所屬地方機關學校員工的一個協助夯夯之後第一個我們是解決知不知道的問題知不知道有這樣的一個機制然後去哪裡看然後會不會的問題會不會假如他個人有這種需要心理諮商需要help\n\n17\n00:06:27,571 --> 00:06:43,183\n他知道要去找哪些所以基本上我們在內部辦了一些先導活動還有網站事實上我們也透過人力學院合作去辦一些信念課程EAP的相關的program我想\n\n18\n00:06:43,983 --> 00:07:05,642\n這是一個內部驅動的一個活動同樣的我們也有找外部的資源進來就是說當同仁有需要的時候因為要考慮到他的個人的隱私的問題所以我們會給一組電話我們每一年都會簽約比如像張老師相關的這一些外面的團體或者心理諮商師就請他們打電話當然就是會\n\n19\n00:07:08,924 --> 00:07:34,177\n簽一個合約就是百次的來算可是我覺得有一個很重要的部分在制度化的米漿制度化的部分一個很重要的會在哪裡?我們人跟人的溝通應該是互相關心你如果互相關心就有大數化小數化沒有現在很多的問題來自於大家那一種\n\n20\n00:07:35,157 --> 00:08:02,215\n互動的密度低阿人跟人的互動的溫度不夠假如辦公室那個溫度有夠大家互相關心一下你像我去南部大家都比較稀薄你有什麼事情我就要你關心一下阿我有什麼事情你幫我倒三天這樣互相料齁其實很多事情會不會遺憾的事情不會發生啦我還是我一直在拜託同仁就是說多關心一下就寒暄溫暖你就幫忙一下\n\n21\n00:08:04,036 --> 00:08:05,257\n這個部分我也是請我們人事總處這邊多一點關心你讓我們的公務人員在他的職場能夠受到這個\n\n22\n00:08:27,797 --> 00:08:28,218\n委員會主席\n\n23\n00:08:43,738 --> 00:09:05,980\n針對這個五一勞動節的問題我們就現行面來看勞動節是勞工朋友在放假那公務人員還是需要上班可是會造成許多層面的這個混亂及不方便我們就說這個學生跟家庭這個問題就好了有一些因為家長沒有放假可是學校都放假了\n\n24\n00:09:06,852 --> 00:09:06,992\n陳俊宇議員\n\n25\n00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:58,754\n委員報告這件事情就是要basedon紀念日及節日實施方法因為主管機關是來進步所以昨天在執行的時候當然內政部部長也有上去因為這言語在2000年的時候立法院有做一個附帶結議那個休假天數大概115或116\n\n26\n00:09:59,915 --> 00:10:24,466\n那這一部分內政部他會去召開一個會議大概我們人總會參加交易部國防部都會參加我們會把相關我們各個機關的代表會把每一個機關所考量的事情在會議上充分討論然後看討論的結果怎樣內政部會簽到行政院行政院合併以後看看就是到final就是看看怎樣\n\n27\n00:10:26,246 --> 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on紀念日及節日實施方法因為主管機關是來進步所以昨天在執行的時候當然內政部部長也有上去因為這言語在2000年的時候立法院有做一個附帶結議那個休假天數大概115或116\n599915\t624466\t那這一部分內政部他會去召開一個會議大概我們人總會參加交易部國防部都會參加我們會把相關我們各個機關的代表會把每一個機關所考量的事情在會議上充分討論然後看討論的結果怎樣內政部會簽到行政院行政院合併以後看看就是到final就是看看怎樣\n626246\t643812\t我還是主張對於五一勞動節的部分我請人事總組跟我們內政部相關部會去做研擬的討論之後能夠有一致性的放假情況才不會造成社會混亂的情況還有一些不方便以上我們接下來請審發會委員發言\n","txt":"﹗\n好謝謝主席我們人事長還有我們所有列席的處長主任各位委員大家早安我想首先來請教我們人事長對於我們這個組織改造的緣而檢討的問題那我們行政院在2023年我們推動了這個組織調整並且完成了五部議會及所屬機關的組織改造的相關工作\n從去年的8月到9月期間就以新的機關架構在運作當中\n那到現在大約已經上路半年左右但當時進行組織改造原而仍然以原有的人數為基準並沒有大幅的增加甚至還有這個欲缺不補的這個跡象那對此事我想請教就是我們人事行政總處有沒有定期來做檢討的機制以符合我們機關\n這個業務的需求也符合政府施政的方針好 謝謝委員我想這分兩個方面來講那個上一年112年的五部議會的主改大概我們人力精簡大概682位然後一個很重要的就是我們在主改的目標我們不希望造成一種大家錯誤的印象就\n業主改機關的業膨脹所以我們把該減的這些延額去做適當的一個減少當然在上一年從8月1號開始到目前的這半年中間也有一些新成立的一個機關他們在業務運作上他需要額外增加的人事實上我們都有跟他們溝通甚至我們還派同仁\n現場去看該給的人我們還是有給那第二個比較常態性的做法就是我們有兩年一度的一個延額評鑑那延額評鑑這是一個非常扎實的一個工作我們會請所有二級機關來去做兩年一度的延額評鑑那最近這兩次我們有做一些微調等於平常我們在看的是以二級機關的角度\n現在我們會抽幾個業務比較重點的像水利署、林業保育署或者移民署這些重點的機關我們直接就進到三級機關去協助他們針對嚴若評鑑的一些結果去做一些適當的接應比如像資訊化很多機關都已經有資訊化可是資訊化裡面我們發現資訊化的速度不夠前面\n陳俊宇\n像移民署來講移民署我們也去看了兩趟去看了兩趟因為現在很多E-GATE自動通關了嘛像日本還有新加坡他們都大量利用那個自動化能源辨識的這一種生物特徵的來加速通關嘛那這一部分我們坦白講也有跟移民署也做了很多的互動那同樣的這一部分我也取得了內政部長的支持好\n那聽起來應該我們就是針對這個部分都有在落實做檢討那也秉持我們這個人事總處的這個當增則增當減則減的這個原則我希望說因為你在原額做調整做分配的過程裡面也不要去影響到我們公務人員的一個基本條件他在做工作的時候不要說工作量暴增還是說我們為了要減少人事的開銷然後把人減到讓他們工作量\n委員會主席\n來投入這個工作我們行政院從2013年4月定定的這個行政院所屬的地方機關學校員工協助方案包括這個工作適應生涯規劃還有這個法律諮詢稅務債務保險等這個財務規劃還有心理健康等多方面的服務\n本期最關心的當然就是公務人員的這個心理健康問題現在不管是民間的企業還是學校都更加的重視員工的這個還有學生的這個心理健康問題可是不同措施機制的這個因應會讓我們公務人員的心理狀況在過去恐怕是一個比較被忽視的一個區塊\n現在社會普遍認為公務人員因為他們的工作穩定單純在旁人來看他是一個鐵飯碗那近年來因為公務人員離職的相關問題越來越多雖然大部分的人都是說是個人的這個因素而提出離職可是從實際的觀察來看\n很多人都是因為所謂的心累我想請教我們人事長關於公務人員的心理健康問題我們人事總處在推動員工的協助方案方面我們處理的情況如何\n謝謝委員給我這個機會來說明事實上從102年我們重新整建整個行政院跟所屬地方機關學校員工的一個協助夯夯之後第一個我們是解決知不知道的問題知不知道有這樣的一個機制然後去哪裡看然後會不會的問題會不會假如他個人有這種需要心理諮商需要help\n他知道要去找哪些所以基本上我們在內部辦了一些先導活動還有網站事實上我們也透過人力學院合作去辦一些信念課程EAP的相關的program我想\n這是一個內部驅動的一個活動同樣的我們也有找外部的資源進來就是說當同仁有需要的時候因為要考慮到他的個人的隱私的問題所以我們會給一組電話我們每一年都會簽約比如像張老師相關的這一些外面的團體或者心理諮商師就請他們打電話當然就是會\n簽一個合約就是百次的來算可是我覺得有一個很重要的部分在制度化的米漿制度化的部分一個很重要的會在哪裡?我們人跟人的溝通應該是互相關心你如果互相關心就有大數化小數化沒有現在很多的問題來自於大家那一種\n互動的密度低阿人跟人的互動的溫度不夠假如辦公室那個溫度有夠大家互相關心一下你像我去南部大家都比較稀薄你有什麼事情我就要你關心一下阿我有什麼事情你幫我倒三天這樣互相料齁其實很多事情會不會遺憾的事情不會發生啦我還是我一直在拜託同仁就是說多關心一下就寒暄溫暖你就幫忙一下\n這個部分我也是請我們人事總處這邊多一點關心你讓我們的公務人員在他的職場能夠受到這個\n委員會主席\n針對這個五一勞動節的問題我們就現行面來看勞動節是勞工朋友在放假那公務人員還是需要上班可是會造成許多層面的這個混亂及不方便我們就說這個學生跟家庭這個問題就好了有一些因為家長沒有放假可是學校都放假了\n陳俊宇議員\n委員報告這件事情就是要based on紀念日及節日實施方法因為主管機關是來進步所以昨天在執行的時候當然內政部部長也有上去因為這言語在2000年的時候立法院有做一個附帶結議那個休假天數大概115或116\n那這一部分內政部他會去召開一個會議大概我們人總會參加交易部國防部都會參加我們會把相關我們各個機關的代表會把每一個機關所考量的事情在會議上充分討論然後看討論的結果怎樣內政部會簽到行政院行政院合併以後看看就是到final就是看看怎樣\n我還是主張對於五一勞動節的部分我請人事總組跟我們內政部相關部會去做研擬的討論之後能夠有一致性的放假情況才不會造成社會混亂的情況還有一些不方便以上我們接下來請審發會委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.479 --> 00:29.788\n好謝謝主席我們人事長還有我們所有列席的處長主任各位委員大家早安我想首先來請教我們人事長對於我們這個組織改造的緣而檢討的問題那我們行政院在2023年我們推動了這個組織調整並且完成了五部議會及所屬機關的組織改造的相關工作\n\n00:31.228 --> 00:36.661\n從去年的8月到9月期間就以新的機關架構在運作當中\n\n00:38.769 --> 01:05.226\n那到現在大約已經上路半年左右但當時進行組織改造原而仍然以原有的人數為基準並沒有大幅的增加甚至還有這個欲缺不補的這個跡象那對此事我想請教就是我們人事行政總處有沒有定期來做檢討的機制以符合我們機關\n\n01:06.907 --> 01:30.776\n這個業務的需求也符合政府施政的方針好謝謝委員我想這分兩個方面來講那個上一年112年的五部議會的主改大概我們人力精簡大概682位然後一個很重要的就是我們在主改的目標我們不希望造成一種大家錯誤的印象就\n\n01:32.271 --> 01:57.248\n業主改機關的業膨脹所以我們把該減的這些延額去做適當的一個減少當然在上一年從8月1號開始到目前的這半年中間也有一些新成立的一個機關他們在業務運作上他需要額外增加的人事實上我們都有跟他們溝通甚至我們還派同仁\n\n01:57.788 --> 02:25.530\n現場去看該給的人我們還是有給那第二個比較常態性的做法就是我們有兩年一度的一個延額評鑑那延額評鑑這是一個非常扎實的一個工作我們會請所有二級機關來去做兩年一度的延額評鑑那最近這兩次我們有做一些微調等於平常我們在看的是以二級機關的角度\n\n02:26.611 --> 02:53.349\n現在我們會抽幾個業務比較重點的像水利署、林業保育署或者移民署這些重點的機關我們直接就進到三級機關去協助他們針對嚴若評鑑的一些結果去做一些適當的接應比如像資訊化很多機關都已經有資訊化可是資訊化裡面我們發現資訊化的速度不夠前面\n\n02:53.769 --> 02:54.189\n陳俊宇\n\n03:07.922 --> 03:34.981\n像移民署來講移民署我們也去看了兩趟去看了兩趟因為現在很多E-GATE自動通關了嘛像日本還有新加坡他們都大量利用那個自動化能源辨識的這一種生物特徵的來加速通關嘛那這一部分我們坦白講也有跟移民署也做了很多的互動那同樣的這一部分我也取得了內政部長的支持好\n\n03:36.144 --> 04:05.180\n那聽起來應該我們就是針對這個部分都有在落實做檢討那也秉持我們這個人事總處的這個當增則增當減則減的這個原則我希望說因為你在原額做調整做分配的過程裡面也不要去影響到我們公務人員的一個基本條件他在做工作的時候不要說工作量暴增還是說我們為了要減少人事的開銷然後把人減到讓他們工作量\n\n04:05.680 --> 04:05.840\n委員會主席\n\n04:33.599 --> 04:53.514\n來投入這個工作我們行政院從2013年4月定定的這個行政院所屬的地方機關學校員工協助方案包括這個工作適應生涯規劃還有這個法律諮詢稅務債務保險等這個財務規劃還有心理健康等多方面的服務\n\n04:56.505 --> 05:18.198\n本期最關心的當然就是公務人員的這個心理健康問題現在不管是民間的企業還是學校都更加的重視員工的這個還有學生的這個心理健康問題可是不同措施機制的這個因應會讓我們公務人員的心理狀況在過去恐怕是一個比較被忽視的一個區塊\n\n05:21.295 --> 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