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00:00:11,101\n主委,我們來討論一個民生問題高鐵為什麼收不到訊號偏鄉為什麼收不到訊號隧道為什麼收不到訊號以及我們講說要行人地獄這個行人地獄當中的智慧入口我怎麼樣的落實\n\n2\n00:00:35,740 --> 00:00:41,845\n只有加速5G的基礎建設。好,我們來爬出現在政府的5G相關的政策執行的狀況如何?本新的提綱,包括我們電信5G現況的分析5G建設補助金及前三計畫中的5G經費的補助情形以及人民購買的服務\n\n3\n00:00:54,275 --> 00:01:11,663\n期望跟實際的落差又是怎麼樣具體的建議為什麼人民的通訊權要來國發會來捍衛呢我們的軌道事業是交通部主管電信通訊的評斷是由行政院的NCC來管理5G產業發展是歷史速發部這麼簡單的民生問題我只好在行政體系下由國發會來扮演跨部會的角色了\n\n4\n00:01:23,968 --> 00:01:25,850\n我們電信業5G的現況是什麼?我們在2020年1月的時候5G的商用頻段4兆那時候一個大標題國庫進帳了1405億這麼多錢我們用在哪裡?就是希望能夠用在5G國產的應用\n\n5\n00:01:46,329 --> 00:01:52,714\n但是呢我們電信業者仍然是利用現在的假5G也就是現在的DSS系的技術來做這個服務的簡單講什麼叫DSS這個技術它是用4G來讓的頻段的部分頻段運行5G的服務讓消費者體驗5G所以呢也就是現在每一個人手機的右上角\n\n6\n00:02:12,751 --> 00:02:21,883\n都打5G不好意思那全部都是假5G震撼吧各位消費者說全台灣人民隨便假5G那為什麼我人民去到買手機的時候我如果要由4G到買到5G我要多付月租費耶\n\n7\n00:02:31,295 --> 00:02:34,678\n所以國貨編了一千多億結果呢有沒有落實沒有還是假5G我人民要買這個這個5G的系統我多付了業主會有享受到嗎沒有好那這個呢我們來看我們5G建設怎麼花錢在前瞻第4期喔這都已經執行完畢囉針對5G的\n\n8\n00:02:52,133 --> 00:03:18,423\n基礎公共建設編列了85億其中5G的網路建設計畫68億包含等等等5G的資安也得1億多分配在哪裡?速發部國科會好另外行政院的NCC呢他也花了155億完成了鼓勵國內的電信業者加速5G的基礎建設包含鼓勵國產化的5G基站的設備\n\n9\n00:03:21,184 --> 00:03:27,267\n有沒有落實完全沒有國產化的5G設備現在所用的通訊系統不管是Nokia的或者是Allison的全部都還是原廠的好那民眾購買的服務期望跟實際有落差我們就是在這個假5G的情況之下就所謂DSS機制的這個環境之下民眾並沒有獲到5G的真正服務還是用4G的頻段設備\n\n10\n00:03:50,636 --> 00:04:08,196\n效能沒有達到5G的效益也就是說5G完成商品試照4年了從2020的1月到今年的20243月整整4年我國的電信行動服務並沒有真正完成基礎建設的提升更不要講國產5G設備的投入好\n\n11\n00:04:11,099 --> 00:04:17,184\n那本辦公室非常的認真我們委託實測我就在北市的捷運作為模擬的試驗場我用這樣的5GN78的就是我們商用視頻的這個頻道進行隧道跟站體的建置好果然在電信服務的效能呈現了倍速成長隧道不再斷訊收訊的品質提升你看下面這兩張圖是我們實測出來的\n\n12\n00:04:37,481 --> 00:04:49,277\n在隧道當中黃色的那個霸他其實就是現況在隧道當中黃色然後藍色的是我們實測的果然是倍數包括在站體也是如此\n\n13\n00:04:50,410 --> 00:05:18,155\n好那本席就具體要求了根本知道在第一個要求電信業者中華電信、臺歌大、遠傳提升核心網路Nokia跟Allison由現在的假5G提升到真5G我國產的網路通訊業者才能加國產的基地台借接到電信網路市場簡單的說就算我國產的業者投入了這樣的基地台的設備\n\n14\n00:05:19,275 --> 00:05:43,221\n他現在就是沒有辦法借接到我們的中華電信台歌大遠傳因為他們還是用NokiaEdison的4G而不是用NokiaEdison的5G他們不願意投入成本所以導致我們花了好多錢政府有沒有在做?有我現在詹處長很清楚他一直在點頭他很清楚問題的重點可是為什麼這三家\n\n15\n00:05:44,381 --> 00:05:46,603\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n16\n00:06:08,602 --> 00:06:24,118\n所以為什麼要國發會出來好第二個我也要求電信業者針對台鐵、高鐵捷運等及地下交通設備及軌道提升通訊方法非常簡單只要在目前的甲5G現在的4G系統下簡單拉個光線就能夠解決那電信業者\n\n17\n00:06:29,904 --> 00:06:55,361\n就是不做!他就是要節省成本犧牲人民的通訊權所以我要拜託國發會來協調相關部會提出具體的方案及具體的施策這個馬上就可以做現在的私區系統拉光線就可以了第三個檢討5G基礎設備的補助經費執行的成效及業者那這個以利你未來5G或6G的政策規劃及預算編列\n\n18\n00:06:57,602 --> 00:07:15,657\n這個我這個也要讓你來跟本席跟大家講到底你們在未來5G當中還要投入嗎還是就提升成6G的如果你再敢給我編沒有檢討5G的情況之下包括你的電信業者沒有提升你的第一個核心網路沒有4G提升到5G你再再編6G那根本就詐騙就詐騙台政府\n\n19\n00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,342\n主委,那您回應一下。\n\n20\n00:07:30,968 --> 00:07:32,269\n主委來來來這一點我們兩個要搞清楚喔你講的是專網\n\n21\n00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:04,261\n我講的是通訊、公網這是兩間部隊我講的是公網嗎公網也要提升到5G喔所以我剛才提到了公網的部分我同意怎麼樣來精進但是我們編很多的預算是在怎麼樣提升小基站或是物聯網讓它智慧工廠、智慧交通等等的一些情況是比較local型的那個部分那那個部分的確很多部分已經國產化了\n\n22\n00:08:27,927 --> 00:08:36,509\n是有的那我跟委員補充說明但是我同意公網那個部分怎麼樣來提升它的效果我們來做督促對這是全台灣人民的通訊權我的高鐵這樣走過他們就會省錢啊為什麼不要提升因為我閃過去兩三秒所以呢哎呀就是才兩三秒收不到訊號沒關係啊就算不願意投資啊中華電信啊或者這些台哥大啊或遠傳啊他們就這種苟且的心態啊所以您這邊要你的實質上要怎麼要求呢\n\n23\n00:08:57,015 --> 00:09:07,282\n現在全台灣人民都在做高鐵啊?對,因為您提到說30天裡面去韓富尼那這30天裡面我就可能開一個協調會來看看相關部會他們的應處狀況是怎麼樣好,謝謝,謝謝主委,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8198\t11101\t主委,我們來討論一個民生問題高鐵為什麼收不到訊號偏鄉為什麼收不到訊號隧道為什麼收不到訊號以及我們講說要行人地獄這個行人地獄當中的智慧入口我怎麼樣的落實\n35740\t41845\t只有加速5G的基礎建設。好,我們來爬出現在政府的5G相關的政策執行的狀況如何?本新的提綱,包括我們電信5G現況的分析5G建設補助金及前三計畫中的5G經費的補助情形以及人民購買的服務\n54275\t71663\t期望跟實際的落差又是怎麼樣具體的建議為什麼人民的通訊權要來國發會來捍衛呢我們的軌道事業是交通部主管電信通訊的評斷是由行政院的NCC來管理5G產業發展是歷史速發部這麼簡單的民生問題我只好在行政體系下由國發會來扮演跨部會的角色了\n83968\t85850\t我們電信業5G的現況是什麼?我們在2020年1月的時候5G的商用頻段4兆那時候一個大標題國庫進帳了1405億這麼多錢我們用在哪裡?就是希望能夠用在5G國產的應用\n106329\t112714\t但是呢我們電信業者仍然是利用現在的假5G也就是現在的DSS系的技術來做這個服務的簡單講什麼叫DSS這個技術它是用4G來讓的頻段的部分頻段運行5G的服務讓消費者體驗5G所以呢也就是現在每一個人手機的右上角\n132751\t141883\t都打5G不好意思那全部都是假5G震撼吧各位消費者說全台灣人民隨便假5G那為什麼我人民去到買手機的時候我如果要由4G到買到5G我要多付月租費耶\n151295\t154678\t所以國貨編了一千多億結果呢有沒有落實沒有還是假5G我人民要買這個這個5G的系統我多付了業主會有享受到嗎沒有好那這個呢我們來看我們5G建設怎麼花錢在前瞻第4期喔這都已經執行完畢囉針對5G的\n172133\t198423\t基礎公共建設編列了85億其中5G的網路建設計畫68億包含等等等5G的資安也得1億多分配在哪裡?速發部國科會好另外行政院的NCC呢他也花了155億完成了鼓勵國內的電信業者加速5G的基礎建設包含鼓勵國產化的5G基站的設備\n201184\t207267\t有沒有落實完全沒有國產化的5G設備現在所用的通訊系統不管是Nokia的或者是Allison的全部都還是原廠的好那民眾購買的服務期望跟實際有落差我們就是在這個假5G的情況之下就所謂DSS機制的這個環境之下民眾並沒有獲到5G的真正服務還是用4G的頻段設備\n230636\t248196\t效能沒有達到5G的效益也就是說5G完成商品試照4年了從2020的1月到今年的20243月整整4年我國的電信行動服務並沒有真正完成基礎建設的提升更不要講國產5G設備的投入好\n251099\t257184\t那本辦公室非常的認真我們委託實測我就在北市的捷運作為模擬的試驗場我用這樣的5GN78的就是我們商用視頻的這個頻道進行隧道跟站體的建置好果然在電信服務的效能呈現了倍速成長隧道不再斷訊收訊的品質提升你看下面這兩張圖是我們實測出來的\n277481\t289277\t在隧道當中黃色的那個霸他其實就是現況在隧道當中黃色然後藍色的是我們實測的果然是倍數包括在站體也是如此\n290410\t318155\t好那本席就具體要求了根本知道在第一個要求電信業者中華電信、臺歌大、遠傳提升核心網路Nokia跟Allison由現在的假5G提升到真5G我國產的網路通訊業者才能加國產的基地台借接到電信網路市場簡單的說就算我國產的業者投入了這樣的基地台的設備\n319275\t343221\t他現在就是沒有辦法借接到我們的中華電信台歌大遠傳因為他們還是用Nokia Edison的4G而不是用Nokia Edison的5G他們不願意投入成本所以導致我們花了好多錢政府有沒有在做?有我現在詹處長很清楚他一直在點頭他很清楚問題的重點可是為什麼這三家\n344381\t346603\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n368602\t384118\t所以為什麼要國發會出來好第二個我也要求電信業者針對台鐵、高鐵捷運等及地下交通設備及軌道提升通訊方法非常簡單只要在目前的甲5G現在的4G系統下簡單拉個光線就能夠解決那電信業者\n389904\t415361\t就是不做!他就是要節省成本犧牲人民的通訊權所以我要拜託國發會來協調相關部會提出具體的方案及具體的施策這個馬上就可以做現在的私區系統拉光線就可以了第三個檢討5G基礎設備的補助經費執行的成效及業者那這個以利你未來5G或6G的政策規劃及預算編列\n417602\t435657\t這個我這個也要讓你來跟本席跟大家講到底你們在未來5G當中還要投入嗎還是就提升成6G的如果你再敢給我編沒有檢討5G的情況之下包括你的電信業者沒有提升你的第一個核心網路沒有4G提升到5G你再再編6G那根本就詐騙就詐騙台政府\n439680\t440342\t主委,那您回應一下。\n450968\t452269\t主委來來來 這一點我們兩個要搞清楚喔你講的是專網\n478320\t484261\t我講的是通訊、公網這是兩間部隊我講的是公網嗎公網也要提升到5G喔所以我剛才提到了公網的部分我同意怎麼樣來精進但是我們編很多的預算是在怎麼樣提升小基站或是物聯網讓它智慧工廠、智慧交通等等的一些情況是比較local型的那個部分那那個部分的確很多部分已經國產化了\n507927\t516509\t是有的那我跟委員補充說明但是我同意公網那個部分怎麼樣來提升它的效果我們來做督促對這是全台灣人民的通訊權我的高鐵這樣走過他們就會省錢啊為什麼不要提升因為我閃過去兩三秒所以呢哎呀就是才兩三秒收不到訊號沒關係啊就算不願意投資啊中華電信啊或者這些台哥大啊或遠傳啊他們就這種苟且的心態啊所以您這邊要你的實質上要怎麼要求呢\n537015\t547282\t現在全台灣人民都在做高鐵啊?對,因為您提到說30天裡面去韓富尼那這30天裡面我就可能開一個協調會來看看相關部會他們的應處狀況是怎麼樣好,謝謝,謝謝主委,謝謝\n","txt":"主委,我們來討論一個民生問題高鐵為什麼收不到訊號偏鄉為什麼收不到訊號隧道為什麼收不到訊號以及我們講說要行人地獄這個行人地獄當中的智慧入口我怎麼樣的落實\n只有加速5G的基礎建設。好,我們來爬出現在政府的5G相關的政策執行的狀況如何?本新的提綱,包括我們電信5G現況的分析5G建設補助金及前三計畫中的5G經費的補助情形以及人民購買的服務\n期望跟實際的落差又是怎麼樣具體的建議為什麼人民的通訊權要來國發會來捍衛呢我們的軌道事業是交通部主管電信通訊的評斷是由行政院的NCC來管理5G產業發展是歷史速發部這麼簡單的民生問題我只好在行政體系下由國發會來扮演跨部會的角色了\n我們電信業5G的現況是什麼?我們在2020年1月的時候5G的商用頻段4兆那時候一個大標題國庫進帳了1405億這麼多錢我們用在哪裡?就是希望能夠用在5G國產的應用\n但是呢我們電信業者仍然是利用現在的假5G也就是現在的DSS系的技術來做這個服務的簡單講什麼叫DSS這個技術它是用4G來讓的頻段的部分頻段運行5G的服務讓消費者體驗5G所以呢也就是現在每一個人手機的右上角\n都打5G不好意思那全部都是假5G震撼吧各位消費者說全台灣人民隨便假5G那為什麼我人民去到買手機的時候我如果要由4G到買到5G我要多付月租費耶\n所以國貨編了一千多億結果呢有沒有落實沒有還是假5G我人民要買這個這個5G的系統我多付了業主會有享受到嗎沒有好那這個呢我們來看我們5G建設怎麼花錢在前瞻第4期喔這都已經執行完畢囉針對5G的\n基礎公共建設編列了85億其中5G的網路建設計畫68億包含等等等5G的資安也得1億多分配在哪裡?速發部國科會好另外行政院的NCC呢他也花了155億完成了鼓勵國內的電信業者加速5G的基礎建設包含鼓勵國產化的5G基站的設備\n有沒有落實完全沒有國產化的5G設備現在所用的通訊系統不管是Nokia的或者是Allison的全部都還是原廠的好那民眾購買的服務期望跟實際有落差我們就是在這個假5G的情況之下就所謂DSS機制的這個環境之下民眾並沒有獲到5G的真正服務還是用4G的頻段設備\n效能沒有達到5G的效益也就是說5G完成商品試照4年了從2020的1月到今年的20243月整整4年我國的電信行動服務並沒有真正完成基礎建設的提升更不要講國產5G設備的投入好\n那本辦公室非常的認真我們委託實測我就在北市的捷運作為模擬的試驗場我用這樣的5GN78的就是我們商用視頻的這個頻道進行隧道跟站體的建置好果然在電信服務的效能呈現了倍速成長隧道不再斷訊收訊的品質提升你看下面這兩張圖是我們實測出來的\n在隧道當中黃色的那個霸他其實就是現況在隧道當中黃色然後藍色的是我們實測的果然是倍數包括在站體也是如此\n好那本席就具體要求了根本知道在第一個要求電信業者中華電信、臺歌大、遠傳提升核心網路Nokia跟Allison由現在的假5G提升到真5G我國產的網路通訊業者才能加國產的基地台借接到電信網路市場簡單的說就算我國產的業者投入了這樣的基地台的設備\n他現在就是沒有辦法借接到我們的中華電信台歌大遠傳因為他們還是用Nokia Edison的4G而不是用Nokia Edison的5G他們不願意投入成本所以導致我們花了好多錢政府有沒有在做?有我現在詹處長很清楚他一直在點頭他很清楚問題的重點可是為什麼這三家\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n所以為什麼要國發會出來好第二個我也要求電信業者針對台鐵、高鐵捷運等及地下交通設備及軌道提升通訊方法非常簡單只要在目前的甲5G現在的4G系統下簡單拉個光線就能夠解決那電信業者\n就是不做!他就是要節省成本犧牲人民的通訊權所以我要拜託國發會來協調相關部會提出具體的方案及具體的施策這個馬上就可以做現在的私區系統拉光線就可以了第三個檢討5G基礎設備的補助經費執行的成效及業者那這個以利你未來5G或6G的政策規劃及預算編列\n這個我這個也要讓你來跟本席跟大家講到底你們在未來5G當中還要投入嗎還是就提升成6G的如果你再敢給我編沒有檢討5G的情況之下包括你的電信業者沒有提升你的第一個核心網路沒有4G提升到5G你再再編6G那根本就詐騙就詐騙台政府\n主委,那您回應一下。\n主委來來來 這一點我們兩個要搞清楚喔你講的是專網\n我講的是通訊、公網這是兩間部隊我講的是公網嗎公網也要提升到5G喔所以我剛才提到了公網的部分我同意怎麼樣來精進但是我們編很多的預算是在怎麼樣提升小基站或是物聯網讓它智慧工廠、智慧交通等等的一些情況是比較local型的那個部分那那個部分的確很多部分已經國產化了\n是有的那我跟委員補充說明但是我同意公網那個部分怎麼樣來提升它的效果我們來做督促對這是全台灣人民的通訊權我的高鐵這樣走過他們就會省錢啊為什麼不要提升因為我閃過去兩三秒所以呢哎呀就是才兩三秒收不到訊號沒關係啊就算不願意投資啊中華電信啊或者這些台哥大啊或遠傳啊他們就這種苟且的心態啊所以您這邊要你的實質上要怎麼要求呢\n現在全台灣人民都在做高鐵啊?對,因為您提到說30天裡面去韓富尼那這30天裡面我就可能開一個協調會來看看相關部會他們的應處狀況是怎麼樣好,謝謝,謝謝主委,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.198 --> 00:11.101\n主委,我們來討論一個民生問題高鐵為什麼收不到訊號偏鄉為什麼收不到訊號隧道為什麼收不到訊號以及我們講說要行人地獄這個行人地獄當中的智慧入口我怎麼樣的落實\n\n00:35.740 --> 00:41.845\n只有加速5G的基礎建設。好,我們來爬出現在政府的5G相關的政策執行的狀況如何?本新的提綱,包括我們電信5G現況的分析5G建設補助金及前三計畫中的5G經費的補助情形以及人民購買的服務\n\n00:54.275 --> 01:11.663\n期望跟實際的落差又是怎麼樣具體的建議為什麼人民的通訊權要來國發會來捍衛呢我們的軌道事業是交通部主管電信通訊的評斷是由行政院的NCC來管理5G產業發展是歷史速發部這麼簡單的民生問題我只好在行政體系下由國發會來扮演跨部會的角色了\n\n01:23.968 --> 01:25.850\n我們電信業5G的現況是什麼?我們在2020年1月的時候5G的商用頻段4兆那時候一個大標題國庫進帳了1405億這麼多錢我們用在哪裡?就是希望能夠用在5G國產的應用\n\n01:46.329 --> 01:52.714\n但是呢我們電信業者仍然是利用現在的假5G也就是現在的DSS系的技術來做這個服務的簡單講什麼叫DSS這個技術它是用4G來讓的頻段的部分頻段運行5G的服務讓消費者體驗5G所以呢也就是現在每一個人手機的右上角\n\n02:12.751 --> 02:21.883\n都打5G不好意思那全部都是假5G震撼吧各位消費者說全台灣人民隨便假5G那為什麼我人民去到買手機的時候我如果要由4G到買到5G我要多付月租費耶\n\n02:31.295 --> 02:34.678\n所以國貨編了一千多億結果呢有沒有落實沒有還是假5G我人民要買這個這個5G的系統我多付了業主會有享受到嗎沒有好那這個呢我們來看我們5G建設怎麼花錢在前瞻第4期喔這都已經執行完畢囉針對5G的\n\n02:52.133 --> 03:18.423\n基礎公共建設編列了85億其中5G的網路建設計畫68億包含等等等5G的資安也得1億多分配在哪裡?速發部國科會好另外行政院的NCC呢他也花了155億完成了鼓勵國內的電信業者加速5G的基礎建設包含鼓勵國產化的5G基站的設備\n\n03:21.184 --> 03:27.267\n有沒有落實完全沒有國產化的5G設備現在所用的通訊系統不管是Nokia的或者是Allison的全部都還是原廠的好那民眾購買的服務期望跟實際有落差我們就是在這個假5G的情況之下就所謂DSS機制的這個環境之下民眾並沒有獲到5G的真正服務還是用4G的頻段設備\n\n03:50.636 --> 04:08.196\n效能沒有達到5G的效益也就是說5G完成商品試照4年了從2020的1月到今年的20243月整整4年我國的電信行動服務並沒有真正完成基礎建設的提升更不要講國產5G設備的投入好\n\n04:11.099 --> 04:17.184\n那本辦公室非常的認真我們委託實測我就在北市的捷運作為模擬的試驗場我用這樣的5GN78的就是我們商用視頻的這個頻道進行隧道跟站體的建置好果然在電信服務的效能呈現了倍速成長隧道不再斷訊收訊的品質提升你看下面這兩張圖是我們實測出來的\n\n04:37.481 --> 04:49.277\n在隧道當中黃色的那個霸他其實就是現況在隧道當中黃色然後藍色的是我們實測的果然是倍數包括在站體也是如此\n\n04:50.410 --> 05:18.155\n好那本席就具體要求了根本知道在第一個要求電信業者中華電信、臺歌大、遠傳提升核心網路Nokia跟Allison由現在的假5G提升到真5G我國產的網路通訊業者才能加國產的基地台借接到電信網路市場簡單的說就算我國產的業者投入了這樣的基地台的設備\n\n05:19.275 --> 05:43.221\n他現在就是沒有辦法借接到我們的中華電信台歌大遠傳因為他們還是用NokiaEdison的4G而不是用NokiaEdison的5G他們不願意投入成本所以導致我們花了好多錢政府有沒有在做?有我現在詹處長很清楚他一直在點頭他很清楚問題的重點可是為什麼這三家\n\n05:44.381 --> 05:46.603\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n06:08.602 --> 06:24.118\n所以為什麼要國發會出來好第二個我也要求電信業者針對台鐵、高鐵捷運等及地下交通設備及軌道提升通訊方法非常簡單只要在目前的甲5G現在的4G系統下簡單拉個光線就能夠解決那電信業者\n\n06:29.904 --> 06:55.361\n就是不做!他就是要節省成本犧牲人民的通訊權所以我要拜託國發會來協調相關部會提出具體的方案及具體的施策這個馬上就可以做現在的私區系統拉光線就可以了第三個檢討5G基礎設備的補助經費執行的成效及業者那這個以利你未來5G或6G的政策規劃及預算編列\n\n06:57.602 --> 07:15.657\n這個我這個也要讓你來跟本席跟大家講到底你們在未來5G當中還要投入嗎還是就提升成6G的如果你再敢給我編沒有檢討5G的情況之下包括你的電信業者沒有提升你的第一個核心網路沒有4G提升到5G你再再編6G那根本就詐騙就詐騙台政府\n\n07:19.680 --> 07:20.342\n主委,那您回應一下。\n\n07:30.968 --> 07:32.269\n主委來來來這一點我們兩個要搞清楚喔你講的是專網\n\n07:58.320 --> 08:04.261\n我講的是通訊、公網這是兩間部隊我講的是公網嗎公網也要提升到5G喔所以我剛才提到了公網的部分我同意怎麼樣來精進但是我們編很多的預算是在怎麼樣提升小基站或是物聯網讓它智慧工廠、智慧交通等等的一些情況是比較local型的那個部分那那個部分的確很多部分已經國產化了\n\n08:27.927 --> 08:36.509\n是有的那我跟委員補充說明但是我同意公網那個部分怎麼樣來提升它的效果我們來做督促對這是全台灣人民的通訊權我的高鐵這樣走過他們就會省錢啊為什麼不要提升因為我閃過去兩三秒所以呢哎呀就是才兩三秒收不到訊號沒關係啊就算不願意投資啊中華電信啊或者這些台哥大啊或遠傳啊他們就這種苟且的心態啊所以您這邊要你的實質上要怎麼要求呢\n\n08:57.015 --> 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