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00:02:32,512\n所以本席既然是我們是學長跟學弟你應該身為原住民的學弟希望能夠多照顧我們退出役官兵的原住民那當然本席是有史以來是第一次在國防外交委員會擔任委員所以現在就是我想本席\n\n7\n00:02:33,686 --> 00:02:50,598\n就叫主委推不會相關轉投資事業公司及農場禁用的職員的狀況如何?當中禁用退除役員主委的比例狀況如何?這個部分我想請教\n\n8\n00:02:54,923 --> 00:03:09,372\n委員好我是事業管理處處長楊長正現在我回答委員的問題我們農場的職員工總共聘用了447個人那其中原住民的同胞我們的弟兄大概聘用124個人\n\n9\n00:03:11,693 --> 00:03:27,465\n平庸少的原因並不是他們不願意來,因為高山地區偏遠地區,所以他們服務意願不高。雖然待遇很好,我們最基礎的員工進來就4萬多塊,平均如果表現良好的話,他一年可以領19個月的薪水。\n\n10\n00:03:28,326 --> 00:03:38,056\n所以說禁用了124個人佔比是27%點多所以說我們是很努力在工作另外一個就是我們的委營狀況也是這個樣子我們委營的人數總共有1791個人\n\n11\n00:03:44,923 --> 00:03:46,564\n現在我問的是他增加了多少的目前\n\n12\n00:04:08,786 --> 00:04:32,815\n我們一直在增加每年統計比如說我們缺工我們高山農場事實上是缺工的比如說武林農場跟福壽山農場其實在環山部落大黎山地區我們都建立非常良好關係也鼓勵我們的原住民同胞青年能回鄉工作目前為止這些都是回鄉工作來參加到我們農場的服務的\n\n13\n00:04:34,451 --> 00:04:59,130\n地形地物在就地的立場上當然是因為有比較偏遠當然也希望說能夠在宣導上鼓勵他們退除役官兵能夠有就業回鄉的機會這個是一個基本的一個你們退補會基本本來就要宣導的好不好那另外就是33家主要轉投資事業截至112年底\n\n14\n00:05:01,232 --> 00:05:02,152\n報告委員這個我還要再統計統計資料以後向委員回答\n\n15\n00:05:23,151 --> 00:05:30,900\n不是,現在你不是要再給我回答什麼本來今天你這個答案就應該要知道\n\n16\n00:05:32,272 --> 00:05:58,717\n知道今天我可能要問你這個議題因為在你的報告作業裡面就是非常清楚這個議題所以我要問你因為我現在重視的是原住民的這一些員額那我希望你未來我在詢問你的時候不要再給我說補充的報告這是一個非常不禮貌的因為你就業\n\n17\n00:06:00,629 --> 00:06:22,764\n這個業務報告裡面就非常清楚就是說你所列出來本來就應該回答本席的以上謝謝委員的指導報告委員我可以跟你們報告一件額外的事情嗎今天你看我們軍中啊空軍有兩個原住民一個當副司令一個當參謀長\n\n18\n00:06:24,343 --> 00:06:24,423\n主席\n\n19\n00:06:42,726 --> 00:07:07,171\n這個比例原則當然是一定要重視現在我們非常以前在早期不管是四年代五年代六十年代已經家境清寒有的是轉到軍中裡面發展但是原住民在軍中裡面是非常忠於國家忠於服從命令這是一個基本\n\n20\n00:07:08,571 --> 00:07:08,811\n兵輔導委員\n\n21\n00:07:25,578 --> 00:07:43,190\n那升官升遷是一個非常重要的因為我們很多的原住民的官兵在軍中裡面非常非常的服從然後對國家的責任是一個非常很要不得的不得了的一個軍人\n\n22\n00:07:44,071 --> 00:08:09,914\n那升遷的管道本來就應該要給予他們公平的比例原則今天管碧玲主委在媒體裡面講了原住民的升遷這不是應該現在所談的應該升遷的管道按照他的比例原則包含他的成績能夠公開公平的\n\n23\n00:08:10,435 --> 00:08:11,356\n委員我覺得你講的很對\n\n24\n00:08:20,438 --> 00:08:42,479\n好非常對那第三外界節的退譜會事業單位高階職籤大都由退伍上校將擔任請問諸位有沒有機會開放一些職籤由原住民來選任這個是一個新的議題好心態好轉\n\n25\n00:08:45,238 --> 00:08:50,320\n就在退役原住民就業的媒合進度如何今天退補會的就業報告第39頁有提到退補會的業務範圍由推動促進就業津貼\n\n26\n00:09:12,224 --> 00:09:31,591\n退除役官兵重返職場為退不會聯結原住民委員會強化原住民促進就業方案所提報輔導成效112年輔導原住民退除役官兵穩定就業人數只有749人\n\n27\n00:09:36,550 --> 00:10:03,675\n又根據退伏會官網截至112年12月統計資料顯示原住民退出役官兵多達10267人每合比例只有7%為何黃仁委員因為時間到了我們請退伏會再要回答不足的地方請向委員當面報告委員各項指導我們都會下去那這個順便報告給我好不好謝謝\n\n28\n00:10:06,038 --> 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