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00:00:36,269\n主席我想請鞏主委再請鞏主委鞏主委今天這個非常夯的議題啊大家都在討論說你是不是下一個這個經濟部的部長那我想這個您從2020年就接任國發會主委到現在已經4年了那在這之前也擔任過經濟部的次長甚至\n\n2\n00:00:37,510 --> 00:00:48,359\n大家都覺得說您是國內經濟產業的專家一把手那您怎麼看台積電在熊本設廠這件事對台灣的影響\n\n3\n00:00:50,920 --> 00:01:13,997\n我自己認為大概有兩層的意涵第一個就是說對台積電而言那原來像Sony跟Denso甚至以後來的TOYOTA它原來是它的客戶那現在變成它的合作夥伴所以原來從客戶變成合作夥伴就它的這個ecosystem就是生態系就把它buildup起來了\n\n4\n00:01:14,557 --> 00:01:16,979\n你會擔心說這會降低台灣的影響力嗎?跟重要性嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:38,434 --> 00:02:01,662\n因為這個基本上他的決策還是在TSMC,TSMC就是台積電他還是握有比較大的…您不是也是董事嗎?是,我是董事。您是我們國家的法人代表嗎?對,對,國防基金的法人代表。所以你也應該是有一個一席之地可以好好的表示說要把先進製程留在台灣不是嗎?您同意嗎?一定,一定,是。\n\n6\n00:02:02,022 --> 00:02:05,605\n所以本席在這裡也想跟主委確定說主委也是贊成台積電在中科落腳的\n\n7\n00:02:32,233 --> 00:02:32,533\n據本席瞭解\n\n8\n00:02:53,215 --> 00:03:05,318\n公主委在這個熊本開幕的時候您也去了那這個熊本可以說是這個熊本廠這麼快的快速可以建成其實也是蠻使人欽佩的但我覺得當中也體現出一點就是說政府的支持對於產業推動的速度\n\n9\n00:03:15,060 --> 00:03:42,558\n是有幫助的就日本政府全力的來協助他克服所有的困難所以本席在這裡也要求就是說國科會也好要全力的來支持台積電在我們臺灣繼續擴展這樣子的計畫您同意嗎?同意同意齁?全力支持嗎?全力支持全力支持你也覺得說只要你們全力支持應該我們的進度也不會落後太多吧?是\n\n10\n00:03:43,118 --> 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