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00:04:41,180\n獲得14萬的工作機會不管是在就業的機會還是提高我們的薪資培養人才等等是都會來帶動那我們在整個來看看我們大溪谷這個計畫那我們政府也必須要在這個水電的供應跟我們交通醫療跟近年的轉型跟員工的居住還有子女的交易等等來做一個完整的配套\n\n11\n00:04:42,000 --> 00:05:04,097\n這是在整個完整的配套裡面我們心裡想這個必須就是不管是我們各部會還有地方政府就一起要來努力做的對不對所以我們先從這個交通方面來看那在這一次我們在桃園來講的話我們桃園的話板龍快速道路跟新梅龍快速道路已經有納入這個計畫了是不是\n\n12\n00:05:05,458 --> 00:05:05,478\n﹚呂玲\n\n13\n00:05:20,435 --> 00:05:48,964\n所以我要跟主委提醒的就是說桃園整個環山整個交通路網的話還有三條是北桃的部分在這北桃的部分就有我們的城中快速道路跟我們的環城西快速道路跟國一甲的東延加上桃北的快速道路這三條可不可以併入一起來討論呢都有在大氣鼓的方案裡面所以這三條北桃這三條快道路會併入\n\n14\n00:05:51,636 --> 00:06:16,675\n為什麼要這樣子問主委呢?因為我在這次總諮詢裡面特別問交通部的王部長這三條病毒他說我們地方市政府送計畫來的話就來討論他公然說謊王部長公然說謊去年10月的時候我們地方政府就已經提出這個計畫這三條道路的計畫我們中央就已經回解說請地方政府自己去負責\n\n15\n00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:36,173\n接下來我們就要討論的就是我們的住宅醫療部分在醫療部分的話主委您在這個醫療部分的話說未來會有23間醫院提供出1萬張的病床是不是?\n\n16\n00:06:59,656 --> 00:07:26,044\n桃竹苗有390萬人口你要提供的這個病床數的話也要有1萬3千床對不對所以本席在這邊提醒主委的是臺北有9家的醫學中心就有1萬個病床那現在桃竹苗有390萬人這個病床數會不會過低啊比例原則\n\n17\n00:07:28,129 --> 00:07:32,841\n是不是?是,因為這個都一直在討論,因為醫學...所以要去檢討?所以你要調整啊?是不是?\n\n18\n00:07:35,919 --> 00:08:01,477\n可不可以把列入調整?我先提醒了主委嗎?好那你就列入調整在接下來的話就要跟主委討論的就是這個社宅的部分在這個人口產業要進來的話就有人會住進來嘛包括我們人工人工的都會住進來那內政部說在2032年桃竹苗要直接興建42,250戶的社會住宅請問\n\n19\n00:08:06,761 --> 00:08:14,067\n這個4萬多的社會住宅是從中央加地方嗎?還是只有中央直接清潔?因為你加了直接兩個字\n\n20\n00:08:15,782 --> 00:08:33,958\n只有算中央的地方不算嗎?中央加地方所以你們中央會補助嗎?不然是土地還是興建的工程?未來我們可能會規範如果這個土地用徵收的方式的話會保留大概5%來建造這個社宅的部分那就土地有空出來的話那就盡量趕快來施作這樣子你認為會達到嗎?這4萬?\n\n21\n00:09:00,316 --> 00:09:10,288\n五百零五戶新建跟絕標要開工的規劃的當中才有一萬一千一百二十二戶所以你這個八年要完成這四萬多戶你做得到嗎?\n\n22\n00:09:13,041 --> 00:09:41,423\n內政部當然有做過一些估算不過他是希望說這4萬多戶至少在8年裡面開始動工陸續完成這樣子是所以本期的提醒就是你在交通也好不在社宅在整個產業醫療的量能裡面你一定要跟橫向溝通各部分地方來做一個預期的施工或者是效率的規劃都要把它做出來才能帶動產業的預期的效果達到你的目標好不好\n\n23\n00:09:42,063 --> 00:09:49,828\n最後要問的就是電價雖然說明天我們稍微有排電價那請問一下現在說預估電費會漲10%那本期請教諸位那物價會漲多少%\n\n24\n00:09:57,475 --> 00:09:58,216\n你是審議委員會小組裡面的成員\n\n25\n00:10:27,856 --> 00:10:30,178\n為什麼不跟你討論?你是主委欸所以現在漲10%了嘛那好,你們研究分析,要漲價你們還沒有去評估去檢討去做個討論嗎?好,討論的結果呢?物價會漲多少?\n\n26\n00:10:46,494 --> 00:11:08,222\n因為過去的經驗來估算來講的話如果長10%的話那直接會反映物價在大概是0.1%多0.1%多你這麼樂觀只會長0.1%多這個成本的反彈的效果是很大的那是直接啦那後續當然會有延伸性的一些波動性的效果\n\n27\n00:11:13,989 --> 00:11:24,782\n主委請您要重視現在人民苦了那麼久了現在你們要苦民所苦啊這物價如果去穩定讓人民好生活好不好\n\n28\n00:11:25,683 --> 00:11:36,961\n你們不要感覺說零點幾而已啊我們百分之五都有可能嘛直接的部分是百分之零點一二嘛阿如果加上延伸性效果還在零點以下\n\n29\n00:11:41,027 --> 00:11:41,067\n是,是\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n309\t11765\t請做詢答。謝謝主席,請供主委。我們再請供主委。\n17398\t22420\t國發會主責工作最重要的就是規劃國家整體的發展策略,尤其是要監督各部會的整個計畫實施的期程。\n34625\t48509\t因為說這個4年當中也碰到了疫情那現在疫情已經過了那所以你對國家整個經濟整個發展都非常的清楚那尤其是現在520也有聽說這個你可能就是我們經濟部長的一個最佳人選那也請問賴清德準總統有沒有跟你要約呢?\n58012\t78933\t﹗\n78933\t103490\t議員議員議員\n103490\t128422\t​​​​​​​​​​​​\n129302\t137207\t在1月份的時候我們整個主計總署也有公布了2023年的經濟成長率只有1.4%保2都沒有到保2都沒有到而且主計總署也公布說這經濟回春可望我們今年能夠達到3%\n150894\t152195\t這是不是太過於樂觀了?所以這就是本席要講的說\n166644\t193798\t你當時的寶二都不到了只有1.4現在你說寶三更高要3.4所以我們會不會太過於樂觀了你整個來評估尤其是國際的整個情勢而定報告委員就是說現在從1月2日看到的一些狀況來講的話主要原因就是因為去年很多的很多的產業基本上它有存貨早期來講有歐巴布克的狀況那一直在去化當中\n194719\t194839\t昨年黃榮勳\n210058\t222503\t這個NVIDIA他會到臺灣來一直希望尋求這個產能上的一些支持跟協助所以我還在請諸位多注意啦因為畢竟這個是14年來的新低啦所以你要整個聯合整個國際的整個變動要因應著這個策略才能夠讓我們臺灣整個經濟的狀況能夠實質的好轉好不好\n231746\t235810\t接下來要跟主委討論的就是大矽谷計畫 這個大矽谷計畫在我們的準總統賴清德在選舉期間就提出這個計畫 說預計要投入200億的這個預算那現在在2月22號行政院也已經核定 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那你就列入調整在接下來的話就要跟主委討論的就是這個社宅的部分在這個人口產業要進來的話就有人會住進來嘛包括我們人工人工的都會住進來那內政部說在2032年桃竹苗要直接興建42,250戶的社會住宅請問\n486761\t494067\t這個4萬多的社會住宅是從中央加地方嗎?還是只有中央直接清潔?因為你加了直接兩個字\n495782\t513958\t只有算中央的地方不算嗎?中央加地方所以你們中央會補助嗎?不然是土地還是興建的工程?未來我們可能會規範如果這個土地用徵收的方式的話會保留大概5%來建造這個社宅的部分那就土地有空出來的話那就盡量趕快來施作這樣子你認為會達到嗎?這4萬?\n517961\t540196\t﹚議員\n540316\t550288\t五百零五戶新建跟絕標要開工的規劃的當中才有一萬一千一百二十二戶所以你這個八年要完成這四萬多戶你做得到嗎?\n553041\t581423\t內政部當然有做過一些估算不過他是希望說這4萬多戶至少在8年裡面開始動工陸續完成這樣子是 所以本期的提醒就是你在交通也好不在社宅在整個產業醫療的量能裡面你一定要跟橫向溝通各部分地方來做一個預期的施工或者是效率的規劃都要把它做出來才能帶動產業的預期的效果達到你的目標好不好\n582063\t589828\t最後要問的就是電價雖然說明天我們稍微有排電價那請問一下現在說預估電費會漲10%那本期請教諸位那物價會漲多少%\n597475\t598216\t你是審議委員會小組裡面的成員\n627856\t630178\t為什麼不跟你討論?你是主委欸所以現在漲10%了嘛那好,你們研究分析,要漲價你們還沒有去評估去檢討去做個討論嗎?好,討論的結果呢?物價會漲多少?\n646494\t668222\t因為過去的經驗來估算來講的話如果長10%的話那直接會反映物價在大概是0.1%多0.1%多你這麼樂觀只會長0.1%多這個成本的反彈的效果是很大的那是直接啦那後續當然會有延伸性的一些波動性的效果\n673989\t684782\t主委請您要重視現在人民苦了那麼久了現在你們要苦民所苦啊這物價如果去穩定讓人民好生活好不好\n685683\t696961\t你們不要感覺說零點幾而已啊我們百分之五都有可能嘛直接的部分是百分之零點一二嘛阿如果加上延伸性效果還在零點以下\n701027\t701067\t是,是\n","txt":"請做詢答。謝謝主席,請供主委。我們再請供主委。\n國發會主責工作最重要的就是規劃國家整體的發展策略,尤其是要監督各部會的整個計畫實施的期程。\n因為說這個4年當中也碰到了疫情那現在疫情已經過了那所以你對國家整個經濟整個發展都非常的清楚那尤其是現在520也有聽說這個你可能就是我們經濟部長的一個最佳人選那也請問賴清德準總統有沒有跟你要約呢?\n﹗\n議員議員議員\n​​​​​​​​​​​​\n在1月份的時候我們整個主計總署也有公布了2023年的經濟成長率只有1.4%保2都沒有到保2都沒有到而且主計總署也公布說這經濟回春可望我們今年能夠達到3%\n這是不是太過於樂觀了?所以這就是本席要講的說\n你當時的寶二都不到了只有1.4現在你說寶三更高要3.4所以我們會不會太過於樂觀了你整個來評估尤其是國際的整個情勢而定報告委員就是說現在從1月2日看到的一些狀況來講的話主要原因就是因為去年很多的很多的產業基本上它有存貨早期來講有歐巴布克的狀況那一直在去化當中\n昨年黃榮勳\n這個NVIDIA他會到臺灣來一直希望尋求這個產能上的一些支持跟協助所以我還在請諸位多注意啦因為畢竟這個是14年來的新低啦所以你要整個聯合整個國際的整個變動要因應著這個策略才能夠讓我們臺灣整個經濟的狀況能夠實質的好轉好不好\n接下來要跟主委討論的就是大矽谷計畫 這個大矽谷計畫在我們的準總統賴清德在選舉期間就提出這個計畫 說預計要投入200億的這個預算那現在在2月22號行政院也已經核定 他說未來預估這個4年會創造6兆的這個產值\n獲得14萬的工作機會不管是在就業的機會還是提高我們的薪資培養人才等等是都會來帶動那我們在整個來看看我們大溪谷這個計畫那我們政府也必須要在這個水電的供應跟我們交通醫療跟近年的轉型跟員工的居住還有子女的交易等等來做一個完整的配套\n這是在整個完整的配套裡面我們心裡想這個必須就是不管是我們各部會還有地方政府就一起要來努力做的對不對所以我們先從這個交通方面來看那在這一次我們在桃園來講的話我們桃園的話板龍快速道路跟新梅龍快速道路已經有納入這個計畫了是不是\n﹚呂玲\n所以我要跟主委提醒的就是說桃園整個環山整個交通路網的話還有三條是北桃的部分在這北桃的部分就有我們的城中快速道路跟我們的環城西快速道路跟國一甲的東延加上桃北的快速道路這三條可不可以併入一起來討論呢都有在大氣鼓的方案裡面所以這三條北桃這三條快道路會併入\n為什麼要這樣子問主委呢?因為我在這次總諮詢裡面特別問交通部的王部長這三條病毒他說我們地方市政府送計畫來的話就來討論他公然說謊王部長公然說謊去年10月的時候我們地方政府就已經提出這個計畫這三條道路的計畫我們中央就已經回解說請地方政府自己去負責\n﹏﹏\n接下來我們就要討論的就是我們的住宅醫療部分在醫療部分的話 主委您在這個醫療部分的話說未來會有23間醫院提供出1萬張的病床是不是?\n桃竹苗有390萬人口你要提供的這個病床數的話也要有1萬3千床對不對所以本席在這邊提醒主委的是臺北有9家的醫學中心就有1萬個病床那現在桃竹苗有390萬人這個病床數會不會過低啊比例原則\n是不是?是,因為這個都一直在討論,因為醫學...所以要去檢討?所以你要調整啊?是不是?\n可不可以把列入調整?我先提醒了主委嗎?好 那你就列入調整在接下來的話就要跟主委討論的就是這個社宅的部分在這個人口產業要進來的話就有人會住進來嘛包括我們人工人工的都會住進來那內政部說在2032年桃竹苗要直接興建42,250戶的社會住宅請問\n這個4萬多的社會住宅是從中央加地方嗎?還是只有中央直接清潔?因為你加了直接兩個字\n只有算中央的地方不算嗎?中央加地方所以你們中央會補助嗎?不然是土地還是興建的工程?未來我們可能會規範如果這個土地用徵收的方式的話會保留大概5%來建造這個社宅的部分那就土地有空出來的話那就盡量趕快來施作這樣子你認為會達到嗎?這4萬?\n﹚議員\n五百零五戶新建跟絕標要開工的規劃的當中才有一萬一千一百二十二戶所以你這個八年要完成這四萬多戶你做得到嗎?\n內政部當然有做過一些估算不過他是希望說這4萬多戶至少在8年裡面開始動工陸續完成這樣子是 所以本期的提醒就是你在交通也好不在社宅在整個產業醫療的量能裡面你一定要跟橫向溝通各部分地方來做一個預期的施工或者是效率的規劃都要把它做出來才能帶動產業的預期的效果達到你的目標好不好\n最後要問的就是電價雖然說明天我們稍微有排電價那請問一下現在說預估電費會漲10%那本期請教諸位那物價會漲多少%\n你是審議委員會小組裡面的成員\n為什麼不跟你討論?你是主委欸所以現在漲10%了嘛那好,你們研究分析,要漲價你們還沒有去評估去檢討去做個討論嗎?好,討論的結果呢?物價會漲多少?\n因為過去的經驗來估算來講的話如果長10%的話那直接會反映物價在大概是0.1%多0.1%多你這麼樂觀只會長0.1%多這個成本的反彈的效果是很大的那是直接啦那後續當然會有延伸性的一些波動性的效果\n主委請您要重視現在人民苦了那麼久了現在你們要苦民所苦啊這物價如果去穩定讓人民好生活好不好\n你們不要感覺說零點幾而已啊我們百分之五都有可能嘛直接的部分是百分之零點一二嘛阿如果加上延伸性效果還在零點以下\n是,是\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:11.765\n請做詢答。謝謝主席,請供主委。我們再請供主委。\n\n00:17.398 --> 00:22.420\n國發會主責工作最重要的就是規劃國家整體的發展策略,尤其是要監督各部會的整個計畫實施的期程。\n\n00:34.625 --> 00:48.509\n因為說這個4年當中也碰到了疫情那現在疫情已經過了那所以你對國家整個經濟整個發展都非常的清楚那尤其是現在520也有聽說這個你可能就是我們經濟部長的一個最佳人選那也請問賴清德準總統有沒有跟你要約呢?\n\n02:09.302 --> 02:17.207\n在1月份的時候我們整個主計總署也有公布了2023年的經濟成長率只有1.4%保2都沒有到保2都沒有到而且主計總署也公布說這經濟回春可望我們今年能夠達到3%\n\n02:30.894 --> 02:32.195\n這是不是太過於樂觀了?所以這就是本席要講的說\n\n02:46.644 --> 03:13.798\n你當時的寶二都不到了只有1.4現在你說寶三更高要3.4所以我們會不會太過於樂觀了你整個來評估尤其是國際的整個情勢而定報告委員就是說現在從1月2日看到的一些狀況來講的話主要原因就是因為去年很多的很多的產業基本上它有存貨早期來講有歐巴布克的狀況那一直在去化當中\n\n03:14.719 --> 03:14.839\n昨年黃榮勳\n\n03:30.058 --> 03:42.503\n這個NVIDIA他會到臺灣來一直希望尋求這個產能上的一些支持跟協助所以我還在請諸位多注意啦因為畢竟這個是14年來的新低啦所以你要整個聯合整個國際的整個變動要因應著這個策略才能夠讓我們臺灣整個經濟的狀況能夠實質的好轉好不好\n\n03:51.746 --> 03:55.810\n接下來要跟主委討論的就是大矽谷計畫這個大矽谷計畫在我們的準總統賴清德在選舉期間就提出這個計畫說預計要投入200億的這個預算那現在在2月22號行政院也已經核定他說未來預估這個4年會創造6兆的這個產值\n\n04:15.285 --> 04:41.180\n獲得14萬的工作機會不管是在就業的機會還是提高我們的薪資培養人才等等是都會來帶動那我們在整個來看看我們大溪谷這個計畫那我們政府也必須要在這個水電的供應跟我們交通醫療跟近年的轉型跟員工的居住還有子女的交易等等來做一個完整的配套\n\n04:42.000 --> 05:04.097\n這是在整個完整的配套裡面我們心裡想這個必須就是不管是我們各部會還有地方政府就一起要來努力做的對不對所以我們先從這個交通方面來看那在這一次我們在桃園來講的話我們桃園的話板龍快速道路跟新梅龍快速道路已經有納入這個計畫了是不是\n\n05:05.458 --> 05:05.478\n﹚呂玲\n\n05:20.435 --> 05:48.964\n所以我要跟主委提醒的就是說桃園整個環山整個交通路網的話還有三條是北桃的部分在這北桃的部分就有我們的城中快速道路跟我們的環城西快速道路跟國一甲的東延加上桃北的快速道路這三條可不可以併入一起來討論呢都有在大氣鼓的方案裡面所以這三條北桃這三條快道路會併入\n\n05:51.636 --> 06:16.675\n為什麼要這樣子問主委呢?因為我在這次總諮詢裡面特別問交通部的王部長這三條病毒他說我們地方市政府送計畫來的話就來討論他公然說謊王部長公然說謊去年10月的時候我們地方政府就已經提出這個計畫這三條道路的計畫我們中央就已經回解說請地方政府自己去負責\n\n06:32.892 --> 06:36.173\n接下來我們就要討論的就是我們的住宅醫療部分在醫療部分的話主委您在這個醫療部分的話說未來會有23間醫院提供出1萬張的病床是不是?\n\n06:59.656 --> 07:26.044\n桃竹苗有390萬人口你要提供的這個病床數的話也要有1萬3千床對不對所以本席在這邊提醒主委的是臺北有9家的醫學中心就有1萬個病床那現在桃竹苗有390萬人這個病床數會不會過低啊比例原則\n\n07:28.129 --> 07:32.841\n是不是?是,因為這個都一直在討論,因為醫學...所以要去檢討?所以你要調整啊?是不是?\n\n07:35.919 --> 08:01.477\n可不可以把列入調整?我先提醒了主委嗎?好那你就列入調整在接下來的話就要跟主委討論的就是這個社宅的部分在這個人口產業要進來的話就有人會住進來嘛包括我們人工人工的都會住進來那內政部說在2032年桃竹苗要直接興建42,250戶的社會住宅請問\n\n08:06.761 --> 08:14.067\n這個4萬多的社會住宅是從中央加地方嗎?還是只有中央直接清潔?因為你加了直接兩個字\n\n08:15.782 --> 08:33.958\n只有算中央的地方不算嗎?中央加地方所以你們中央會補助嗎?不然是土地還是興建的工程?未來我們可能會規範如果這個土地用徵收的方式的話會保留大概5%來建造這個社宅的部分那就土地有空出來的話那就盡量趕快來施作這樣子你認為會達到嗎?這4萬?\n\n09:00.316 --> 09:10.288\n五百零五戶新建跟絕標要開工的規劃的當中才有一萬一千一百二十二戶所以你這個八年要完成這四萬多戶你做得到嗎?\n\n09:13.041 --> 09:41.423\n內政部當然有做過一些估算不過他是希望說這4萬多戶至少在8年裡面開始動工陸續完成這樣子是所以本期的提醒就是你在交通也好不在社宅在整個產業醫療的量能裡面你一定要跟橫向溝通各部分地方來做一個預期的施工或者是效率的規劃都要把它做出來才能帶動產業的預期的效果達到你的目標好不好\n\n09:42.063 --> 09:49.828\n最後要問的就是電價雖然說明天我們稍微有排電價那請問一下現在說預估電費會漲10%那本期請教諸位那物價會漲多少%\n\n09:57.475 --> 09:58.216\n你是審議委員會小組裡面的成員\n\n10:27.856 --> 10:30.178\n為什麼不跟你討論?你是主委欸所以現在漲10%了嘛那好,你們研究分析,要漲價你們還沒有去評估去檢討去做個討論嗎?好,討論的結果呢?物價會漲多少?\n\n10:46.494 --> 11:08.222\n因為過去的經驗來估算來講的話如果長10%的話那直接會反映物價在大概是0.1%多0.1%多你這麼樂觀只會長0.1%多這個成本的反彈的效果是很大的那是直接啦那後續當然會有延伸性的一些波動性的效果\n\n11:13.989 --> 11:24.782\n主委請您要重視現在人民苦了那麼久了現在你們要苦民所苦啊這物價如果去穩定讓人民好生活好不好\n\n11:25.683 --> 11:36.961\n你們不要感覺說零點幾而已啊我們百分之五都有可能嘛直接的部分是百分之零點一二嘛阿如果加上延伸性效果還在零點以下\n\n11:41.027 --> 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