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00:01:27,836\n但是如果你現在上網搜尋這個魔方移動魔方電信因為這間公司他設置在台中我們上網看他的這個網站裡面還有所謂的行動轉售跟加持服務的營業規章他的合作電信業者很擺明地寫的就是寫的中華電信那中華電信裡面這個部分魔方移動的合約裡面也提到\n\n4\n00:01:29,346 --> 00:01:43,737\n他的規章裡面他的業務合作的範圍合作的公司就是向中華電信來陳租他的行動網路業務經營那租用他的門號跟服務那再向用戶來提供行動轉售跟相關的加值服務簡單來講\n\n5\n00:01:46,543 --> 00:02:04,956\n這間魔方移動他是把他的所謂的這個業務範圍建立在中華電信的業務上面然後提供給所謂的詐騙集團提供給很多的使用者來使用他在販賣他的這個門號的時候他會強調保證是全新號碼吃到飽無限制流量\n\n6\n00:02:05,897 --> 00:02:30,935\n安全無虞吃到飽跟號碼可以完全的分開追蹤不易號碼保證絕不輪轉兩個月內可以無限的收發驗證碼那獨立的海外系統防止駭客入侵提供三組號碼可以一直來收發簡訊APP所以我想想包含我自己在內我們常常覺得說為什麼會常常收到什麼標股的簡訊常常收到很多投資的簡訊常常很多的我們的民眾受害者被詐騙集團的欺騙原來\n\n7\n00:02:33,181 --> 00:02:54,938\n找到原因了就是因為有很多所謂的二類的業者他是在跟中華電信來使用相關的服務而且最嚴重是什麼我要講的是說當然如果今天是合法的商業行為我們沒辦法智慧但是今天提到了這個像剛剛提到這個魔方電信魔方移動公司他在2021年他就早就被NCC廢止的相關的業務了\n\n8\n00:02:55,558 --> 00:03:08,531\n但是他卻還能夠持續的來跟中華電信來合作那包含去年減掉的偵辦還有今年齁今年2024年1月的時候雲林地檢署的起訴文件也都提到\n\n9\n00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:38,398\n我發現他是向這個中華電信來申請企業門號跟賣藥門號提供給這個上海族裔公司來使用那當然這過程很複雜但總之就是讓這個上海族裔公司再把這個門號提供給詐騙集團詐騙集團再來詐騙我們台灣的民眾到了今年都還有這樣的事情當然去年還有另外一間叫做這個海峽電信公司也是用同樣的手段來做這些事情所以今天要問的是我想問中華電信還有問我們部長\n\n10\n00:03:39,724 --> 00:03:54,209\n如果未來還有相關的業務中華電信要不要負連帶賠償責任以及中華電信你們有沒有去清查過在這個二類電信終止之後有多少公司到現在還跟中華電信有合作關係\n\n11\n00:03:56,913 --> 00:04:14,893\n報告委員．有關中華電信．跟MVNO業者相關的合作規範．都是依照通常會的規範來辦理．陳路委員剛才提到前年2021年之後．電信法轉軌到電信管理法．\n\n12\n00:04:15,453 --> 00:04:42,467\n那麼相關的業者在申請轉軌過程當中繼續在向這個通傳會在申請這個執照當中那麼我們目前這個合作的範圍呢並沒有收到任何這個各自外洩的議題那麼剛才委員所提到的這個相關的內容呢據我們目前的了解是並不是中華電信或者是魔方這個銷售出去的\n\n13\n00:04:42,887 --> 00:04:43,788\n於林地檢署的起訴文件提到\n\n14\n00:04:58,938 --> 00:05:15,149\n檢察官偵辦的這個魔方移動他就是向中華電信申請經驗門號當然他最後賣出去他不是用魔方移動來賣他是就轉給所謂台灣左翼跟上海左翼來賣給這個詐騙集團當然導致了詐騙行為這個偵辦部門是因為去查這個電信門號才發現了這一層關係所以當然中華電信沒有直接賣給詐騙集團我知道\n\n15\n00:05:26,533 --> 00:05:47,006\n中華電信賣個魔方移動,魔方移動再賣個臺灣卓一,臺灣卓一再賣個上海卓一,上海卓一再賣個詐騙集團他經過了多層,所以當然你們沒有直接關係嘛,但我今天要問你說今天既然已經知道像這個魔方移動有這樣子的案子出現那他也已經被NCC廢止相關的使用執照,中華電信還會繼續跟這樣業者合作嗎?未來還會繼續合作嗎?我知道你不會跟他合作啦\n\n16\n00:05:51,869 --> 00:06:15,018\n第二個那個剛才提到的議題齁那個中華電線銷售給魔方的門號只能在國外使用那麼這個相關國外使用的剛才您提到那個上海那個個案那個我們的了解是不是魔方銷售出去的那個部分是另外的這個銷售的管道出去的所以你們意思說你們現在如果魔方連中跟你們買你們還是會賣給他\n\n17\n00:06:16,644 --> 00:06:30,133\n這個部分我們如果相關的跟業者合作有涉及到任何疑似詐欺的部分我們都會嚴謹來積極處理謝謝委員指教部長我想這個詐騙不是只有檢調單位的責任我想檢調也常常抱怨說很無力\n\n18\n00:06:35,336 --> 00:06:35,356\n委員會議員\n\n19\n00:06:51,624 --> 00:06:51,884\n檢查官提到\n\n20\n00:07:08,266 --> 00:07:36,611\n模仿移動和類似這種二類電信公司就是跟你們承租承租完之後再轉手賣給其他業者那他去做其他的操作最後再回過頭來詐騙所以我們現在強調說相關的法令我們希望中華電信跟交通部這邊應該去研擬起來如果已經被廢紙執照了如果他有相關的案例出現他就不應該再去做這個這樣子應用而不是說對中華電信來講我沒差我賣給模仿移動他沒有騙人是模仿移動賣給其他公司其他公司去騙人的\n\n21\n00:07:37,212 --> 00:07:39,600\n這樣不對啊,我們希望今天做的是源頭控管\n\n22\n00:07:40,509 --> 00:07:40,609\n主席\n\n23\n00:08:10,589 --> 00:08:34,996\n你們第一當然我在強調的是模方移動他的確沒有直接的騙人他是把東西賣給別人讓別人來騙那這個行為到底跟中華電信有沒有關係因為你們是這個關股所以我們才特別提出來不能因為中華電信你們掌握的門號數你們掌握的個資比其他電信公司來的更多更直接而且大家可能也信任中華電信所以這部分我們希望還是要提一個完整的方案好\n\n24\n00:08:35,476 --> 00:09:04,656\n接下來我們還提到這兩天淘機跑到稅休導致航班大亂的問題我們看到說這個排名下降的時候2022年降到67名2023年到82名的時候這個淘機公司當初回應講說未來會積極的相關協調相關業務來共同努力優化經濟從整體服務、林外交通、便利通關等等來改善提升大家的旅客服務的滿意度但是馬上就發生了這兩天的這個事件我想這個\n\n25\n00:09:05,956 --> 00:09:24,508\n在交通上我想這個塔台跟淘氣公司這邊是不是沒有做一個做足這個準備還是維持原來的管制措施從我們收到的資料來看到原定的這個規定當然是120秒放飛一次那因為塞機之後你們才去調整調整成90秒跟60秒放飛有沒有這個事情\n\n26\n00:09:27,579 --> 00:09:28,660\n飛行管理程序\n\n27\n00:09:41,972 --> 00:09:41,992\n韓國瑜議員\n\n28\n00:10:11,847 --> 00:10:23,084\n主委長時間不夠了這個下一頁我們桃園機場的這個作業要點裡面單跑到的時候每小時離道場總架次最大是每小時30架次但是我們根據預報表看到\n\n29\n00:10:24,296 --> 00:10:45,646\n3月3日當天有685架次最密集的時候是46架那等於你們的這個航管要點參考用的嘛單跑道本來說只用每小時30架次但是在3月3日當天最大的時間的時候685架最大的這個離場架次達到46架那不就表示說你們這個SOP是參考用而已嗎\n\n30\n00:10:47,465 --> 00:11:05,463\n我想這一個所謂的離場航班的一個調整這個部分其實要分開來講就是說如果你這個是例行的稅休其實你在前面需要去考慮到說一個尖峰小時大概剛剛講兩分鐘來算大概是30架單跑道\n\n31\n00:11:41,852 --> 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是只有檢調單位的責任我想檢調也常常抱怨說很無力\n委員會議員\n檢查官提到\n模仿移動和類似這種二類電信公司就是跟你們承租承租完之後再轉手賣給其他業者那他去做其他的操作最後再回過頭來詐騙所以我們現在強調說相關的法令我們希望中華電信跟交通部這邊應該去研擬起來如果已經被廢紙執照了如果他有相關的案例出現他就不應該再去做這個這樣子應用而不是說對中華電信來講我沒差我賣給模仿移動他沒有騙人是模仿移動賣給其他公司其他公司去騙人的\n這樣不對啊,我們希望今天做的是源頭控管\n主席\n你們第一當然我在強調的是模方移動他的確沒有直接的騙人他是把東西賣給別人讓別人來騙那這個行為到底跟中華電信有沒有關係因為你們是這個關股所以我們才特別提出來不能因為中華電信你們掌握的門號數你們掌握的個資比其他電信公司來的更多更直接而且大家可能也信任中華電信所以這部分我們希望還是要提一個完整的方案好\n接下來我們還提到這兩天淘機跑到稅休導致航班大亂的問題我們看到說這個排名下降的時候2022年降到67名2023年到82名的時候這個淘機公司當初回應講說未來會積極的相關協調相關業務來共同努力優化經濟從整體服務、林外交通、便利通關等等來改善提升大家的旅客服務的滿意度但是馬上就發生了這兩天的這個事件我想這個\n在交通上我想這個塔台跟淘氣公司這邊是不是沒有做一個做足這個準備還是維持原來的管制措施從我們收到的資料來看到原定的這個規定當然是120秒放飛一次那因為塞機之後你們才去調整調整成90秒跟60秒放飛有沒有這個事情\n飛行管理程序\n韓國瑜議員\n主委長時間不夠了這個下一頁我們桃園機場的這個作業要點裡面單跑到的時候每小時離道場總架次最大是每小時30架次但是我們根據預報表看到\n3月3日當天有685架次最密集的時候是46架那等於你們的這個航管要點參考用的嘛單跑道本來說只用每小時30架次但是在3月3日當天最大的時間的時候685架最大的這個離場架次達到46架那不就表示說你們這個SOP是參考用而已嗎\n我想這一個所謂的離場航班的一個調整這個部分其實要分開來講就是說如果你這個是例行的稅休其實你在前面需要去考慮到說一個尖峰小時大概剛剛講兩分鐘來算大概是30架單跑道\n響鐘響鐘\n響鈴\n黃委員發言完畢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.672 --> 00:30.864\n好,謝謝趙偉。那我們事先請部長跟這個中華電信請王部長,還有請中華電信董事長我想啊,台灣的這個詐騙問題非常非常的嚴重那我想政府也多次的講說我們要來打擊詐騙但是本席今天質詢的時候要指出一件事情,包含稍早的時候我們有開一個記者會\n\n00:32.165 --> 00:57.863\n中華電信會不會成為這個詐騙的共犯或者是我當然你知道你沒有翻譯啦但是會不會這個詐騙集團來利用我們講個案子2021年2月28號的時候有一間這個魔方移動股份有限公司NCC就已經廢止了他所謂的第二類電信事業的全部業務這個時間點是2021年2月8號他就被廢止了\n\n01:04.158 --> 01:27.836\n但是如果你現在上網搜尋這個魔方移動魔方電信因為這間公司他設置在台中我們上網看他的這個網站裡面還有所謂的行動轉售跟加持服務的營業規章他的合作電信業者很擺明地寫的就是寫的中華電信那中華電信裡面這個部分魔方移動的合約裡面也提到\n\n01:29.346 --> 01:43.737\n他的規章裡面他的業務合作的範圍合作的公司就是向中華電信來陳租他的行動網路業務經營那租用他的門號跟服務那再向用戶來提供行動轉售跟相關的加值服務簡單來講\n\n01:46.543 --> 02:04.956\n這間魔方移動他是把他的所謂的這個業務範圍建立在中華電信的業務上面然後提供給所謂的詐騙集團提供給很多的使用者來使用他在販賣他的這個門號的時候他會強調保證是全新號碼吃到飽無限制流量\n\n02:05.897 --> 02:30.935\n安全無虞吃到飽跟號碼可以完全的分開追蹤不易號碼保證絕不輪轉兩個月內可以無限的收發驗證碼那獨立的海外系統防止駭客入侵提供三組號碼可以一直來收發簡訊APP所以我想想包含我自己在內我們常常覺得說為什麼會常常收到什麼標股的簡訊常常收到很多投資的簡訊常常很多的我們的民眾受害者被詐騙集團的欺騙原來\n\n02:33.181 --> 02:54.938\n找到原因了就是因為有很多所謂的二類的業者他是在跟中華電信來使用相關的服務而且最嚴重是什麼我要講的是說當然如果今天是合法的商業行為我們沒辦法智慧但是今天提到了這個像剛剛提到這個魔方電信魔方移動公司他在2021年他就早就被NCC廢止的相關的業務了\n\n02:55.558 --> 03:08.531\n但是他卻還能夠持續的來跟中華電信來合作那包含去年減掉的偵辦還有今年齁今年2024年1月的時候雲林地檢署的起訴文件也都提到\n\n03:09.639 --> 03:38.398\n我發現他是向這個中華電信來申請企業門號跟賣藥門號提供給這個上海族裔公司來使用那當然這過程很複雜但總之就是讓這個上海族裔公司再把這個門號提供給詐騙集團詐騙集團再來詐騙我們台灣的民眾到了今年都還有這樣的事情當然去年還有另外一間叫做這個海峽電信公司也是用同樣的手段來做這些事情所以今天要問的是我想問中華電信還有問我們部長\n\n03:39.724 --> 03:54.209\n如果未來還有相關的業務中華電信要不要負連帶賠償責任以及中華電信你們有沒有去清查過在這個二類電信終止之後有多少公司到現在還跟中華電信有合作關係\n\n03:56.913 --> 04:14.893\n報告委員．有關中華電信．跟MVNO業者相關的合作規範．都是依照通常會的規範來辦理．陳路委員剛才提到前年2021年之後．電信法轉軌到電信管理法．\n\n04:15.453 --> 04:42.467\n那麼相關的業者在申請轉軌過程當中繼續在向這個通傳會在申請這個執照當中那麼我們目前這個合作的範圍呢並沒有收到任何這個各自外洩的議題那麼剛才委員所提到的這個相關的內容呢據我們目前的了解是並不是中華電信或者是魔方這個銷售出去的\n\n04:42.887 --> 04:43.788\n於林地檢署的起訴文件提到\n\n04:58.938 --> 05:15.149\n檢察官偵辦的這個魔方移動他就是向中華電信申請經驗門號當然他最後賣出去他不是用魔方移動來賣他是就轉給所謂台灣左翼跟上海左翼來賣給這個詐騙集團當然導致了詐騙行為這個偵辦部門是因為去查這個電信門號才發現了這一層關係所以當然中華電信沒有直接賣給詐騙集團我知道\n\n05:26.533 --> 05:47.006\n中華電信賣個魔方移動,魔方移動再賣個臺灣卓一,臺灣卓一再賣個上海卓一,上海卓一再賣個詐騙集團他經過了多層,所以當然你們沒有直接關係嘛,但我今天要問你說今天既然已經知道像這個魔方移動有這樣子的案子出現那他也已經被NCC廢止相關的使用執照,中華電信還會繼續跟這樣業者合作嗎?未來還會繼續合作嗎?我知道你不會跟他合作啦\n\n05:51.869 --> 06:15.018\n第二個那個剛才提到的議題齁那個中華電線銷售給魔方的門號只能在國外使用那麼這個相關國外使用的剛才您提到那個上海那個個案那個我們的了解是不是魔方銷售出去的那個部分是另外的這個銷售的管道出去的所以你們意思說你們現在如果魔方連中跟你們買你們還是會賣給他\n\n06:16.644 --> 06:30.133\n這個部分我們如果相關的跟業者合作有涉及到任何疑似詐欺的部分我們都會嚴謹來積極處理謝謝委員指教部長我想這個詐騙不是只有檢調單位的責任我想檢調也常常抱怨說很無力\n\n06:35.336 --> 06:35.356\n委員會議員\n\n06:51.624 --> 06:51.884\n檢查官提到\n\n07:08.266 --> 07:36.611\n模仿移動和類似這種二類電信公司就是跟你們承租承租完之後再轉手賣給其他業者那他去做其他的操作最後再回過頭來詐騙所以我們現在強調說相關的法令我們希望中華電信跟交通部這邊應該去研擬起來如果已經被廢紙執照了如果他有相關的案例出現他就不應該再去做這個這樣子應用而不是說對中華電信來講我沒差我賣給模仿移動他沒有騙人是模仿移動賣給其他公司其他公司去騙人的\n\n07:37.212 --> 07:39.600\n這樣不對啊,我們希望今天做的是源頭控管\n\n07:40.509 --> 07:40.609\n主席\n\n08:10.589 --> 08:34.996\n你們第一當然我在強調的是模方移動他的確沒有直接的騙人他是把東西賣給別人讓別人來騙那這個行為到底跟中華電信有沒有關係因為你們是這個關股所以我們才特別提出來不能因為中華電信你們掌握的門號數你們掌握的個資比其他電信公司來的更多更直接而且大家可能也信任中華電信所以這部分我們希望還是要提一個完整的方案好\n\n08:35.476 --> 09:04.656\n接下來我們還提到這兩天淘機跑到稅休導致航班大亂的問題我們看到說這個排名下降的時候2022年降到67名2023年到82名的時候這個淘機公司當初回應講說未來會積極的相關協調相關業務來共同努力優化經濟從整體服務、林外交通、便利通關等等來改善提升大家的旅客服務的滿意度但是馬上就發生了這兩天的這個事件我想這個\n\n09:05.956 --> 09:24.508\n在交通上我想這個塔台跟淘氣公司這邊是不是沒有做一個做足這個準備還是維持原來的管制措施從我們收到的資料來看到原定的這個規定當然是120秒放飛一次那因為塞機之後你們才去調整調整成90秒跟60秒放飛有沒有這個事情\n\n09:27.579 --> 09:28.660\n飛行管理程序\n\n09:41.972 --> 09:41.992\n韓國瑜議員\n\n10:11.847 --> 10:23.084\n主委長時間不夠了這個下一頁我們桃園機場的這個作業要點裡面單跑到的時候每小時離道場總架次最大是每小時30架次但是我們根據預報表看到\n\n10:24.296 --> 10:45.646\n3月3日當天有685架次最密集的時候是46架那等於你們的這個航管要點參考用的嘛單跑道本來說只用每小時30架次但是在3月3日當天最大的時間的時候685架最大的這個離場架次達到46架那不就表示說你們這個SOP是參考用而已嗎\n\n10:47.465 --> 11:05.463\n我想這一個所謂的離場航班的一個調整這個部分其實要分開來講就是說如果你這個是例行的稅休其實你在前面需要去考慮到說一個尖峰小時大概剛剛講兩分鐘來算大概是30架單跑道\n\n11:41.852 --> 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