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00:01:41,899\n這是昨天晚上在市府轉運站1815等車的狀況當下有超過300人在那邊等車而我本期在那邊從9點半到10點的時候我在那邊等1815這台車是基隆市目前運量第二大的國道公路路線但是那個時候能夠上車的如果我記得我本期沒有記錯的話在150人左右裡面差不多只有50個人能上了車\n\n6\n00:01:42,859 --> 00:02:09,165\n而這個擁捨的狀況非常嚴重在下一頁在第二個2088是更大的一條是目前基隆市最大的客運路線而2088這條線呢好一點在短短的30分鐘裡面有將近5班車平均每班車有20多個人但是像這樣的狀況是如果說在我本席只是臨時去抽查在昨天晚上9點下一頁\n\n7\n00:02:12,301 --> 00:02:32,255\n本期只是臨時去搜查在昨天晚上9點半到10點之間我就看到這樣的狀況的話我想在台北市的每一個大站點我們都會看到同樣的基隆人甚至桃園人遇到同樣的國道客運班次的問題我們等車的時間實質上是越來越長的因為\n\n8\n00:02:32,955 --> 00:03:00,537\n有班次不夠因為司機不夠因為國道客運法因為運輸業管理規則其實事實上已經不符合時宜TPAS的成立對於全部的通勤族來講是件好事但是目前來講因為我們準備的資源不管是不管是班次也好司機也好甚至車子也好我聽說我們的這個中央政府要求我們的巴士全面電動化\n\n9\n00:03:02,839 --> 00:03:18,985\n但是全面電動化的話目前我知道客運業者跟得上能夠跟得上進度的人沒幾個啊那你補助又不夠的時候你這樣不是硬生生的逼著業者不得不去違法不得不去趕不上要求嗎這一點來講我認為運輸業管理規則如果要很快速的改變的話運輸業管理規則\n\n10\n00:03:25,027 --> 00:03:37,261\n這件事情會是未來在交通委員會在您任內不管下一項520之後您做不到交通部部長這件事情必須要馬上解決這個不關政治這是民生的問題請部長回答\n\n11\n00:03:39,884 --> 00:04:01,046\n的確基隆的客運就像委員所提的事實上如果以這樣的看式如果服務都提供的話那個更多人搭乘用T-pass更多人的確現在主要是在司機還有包括在這一次在基隆的國道客運這個首都退出以後他服務品質是比較差的\n\n12\n00:04:01,747 --> 00:04:27,383\n所以我們在這段時間也做了很多的改善那其中有一個是司機的課題司機課題在我們公路局等一下局長做一個補充他事實上有幫忙代信司機但是這個腳步的確疫情過後我認為司機的問題是其次而是在於業者是不是能夠合理有效的調度司機的班次我覺得才是我們現在真的要討論的問題\n\n13\n00:04:28,604 --> 00:04:56,863\n而這個問題上面國道客運跟一般公車我們上次在總質詢的時候我們曾經討論過1.4公里1.4塊1公里的補助跟2.3塊1公里的補助基本上這個其實是很不合理的第二件事情就是說讓空車繼續跑讓司機開空車然後造成成本的增加這個對國道客運的業者來講也是很辛苦的所以本席在這邊強力\n\n14\n00:04:58,985 --> 00:05:13,807\n強力訴求應該要把雙北化成一個首都生活圈或首都交通圈讓基隆、桃園、宜蘭三邊的國道公車變成所謂的城際公車這樣能夠快速的解決我們現在遇到國道客運的問題\n\n15\n00:05:16,611 --> 00:05:20,313\n現在基本上就是一個生活圈,依然基隆雙北\n\n16\n00:05:45,530 --> 00:06:00,375\n再來我在1到10頁的部長講在你的這份報告裡面寫最多是1到10頁的公路工程尤其是國道交流道的設置那上次我們在總諮詢的時候\n\n17\n00:06:01,815 --> 00:06:23,574\n部長一直提說軌道運輸其實某個程度上是為了都市規劃而設計的但是本席認為公路工程跟我們的國道交流道的設置才是針對國家的區域發展有長足的幫助在我的一道實驗裡面每一個你設置的這個設置的這些交流道裡面高工局都負責設計都跟用地取得工程發包\n\n18\n00:06:24,375 --> 00:06:49,495\n然後尤其是最好的例子是國道33接66號快速道路國道1號接74號快速道路這方面的事情的話本席在這邊強烈推強烈建議以下幾個幾條路線我認為國道交流道這邊的工程應該延伸到那邊去第一個在基隆市安樂區國家新城地區目前那邊只有不到0.9平方公里就有15000人住在那個區域\n\n19\n00:06:50,456 --> 00:07:15,482\n而15000個區域之外還加一個貨櫃場在那0.9平方公里裡面而只有一條兩線道的道路要開差不多將近1.5公里才能接上國道那這件事情其實我造成說安樂區我目前最大的選區造成常態性的大塞車天天早上都在塞車我認為這樣的困境應該需要交通部來幫忙這是第一個第二個\n\n20\n00:07:16,582 --> 00:07:32,358\n每週末我們都知道說往金山萬里都有大量的觀光客在塞車那這個問題已經不是單單純基隆市的問題包括新北的問題也常浮現而我也知道說這條高速公路為什麼會塞車主要原因是經過\n\n21\n00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:51,009\n國道3號基金交流道而基金交流道那邊要直接到金山萬里必須經過整個大武倫地區而大武倫地區嚴格講起來那邊有住住有3萬人住在那邊而最主要的是國道3號並沒有一個往西向的交流道引道\n\n22\n00:07:52,069 --> 00:08:18,571\n我們如果部長還是我們的高工局的主管開過條路的時候你會發現說國道3號有到62號往東向也就是往瑞芳甚至九份方向去跑的交流道但是並沒有往西向但是本席在這邊強烈建議與其你們再重新開一條高速公路直達萬里金山倒不如好好去想一想國道3號怎麼樣去連接往西向的交流道\n\n23\n00:08:19,561 --> 00:08:47,526\n委員我能不能簡單說明一下那個國家新城的話印象中的話他是西邊是隔一個新山水庫才到國道3號所以要做可行性評估阿他應該是做一條聯絡道路看看這聯絡道路怎麼處理我先把我這邊的訴求先講清楚因為這個是工層面我認為我們如果在在工層面在不影響水庫安全的情況下我們都是可以克服的他距離國道還有1公里多\n\n24\n00:08:48,306 --> 00:08:51,089\n我現在要提的是還有第三個,國道1號在於苗栗市玉清大橋這邊其實應該設一個交流道連接72號來幫助苗栗的苗中地區的經濟發展\n\n25\n00:09:04,541 --> 00:09:15,609\n這個部分以前有討論過他有高低差的問題而且那地方是邊坡曾經有癱滑過所以目前來講說那個山齁是我覺得可行性評估以前有處理過那請給我資料第4個我在第4頁第7項的時候我有看到國道1號\n\n26\n00:09:23,234 --> 00:09:39,276\n的無土交流道到矽脂交流道有投寬計畫但是我們目前本席要求會後你要給我詳細的書面資料然後我之後我要再從這邊再去做質詢而最後一點我是目前我想請問一下因為本席以前曾經在港務公司任職過\n\n27\n00:09:40,217 --> 00:10:08,379\n在高雄的旅運中心當初是認為這個建造的經費是比基隆的旅運中心來得高很多的我記得如果沒有錯的話高達20億以上那請問一下基隆港現在的旅運中心進度怎麼樣因為部長您也講過捷運到基隆捷運一定到我有生之年捷運一定到基隆市區但是如果你當初的計畫沒有說話捷運到基隆市區的最後一站是基隆港的旅運中心那我想請教目前進度是怎麼樣\n\n28\n00:10:08,899 --> 00:10:10,120\n當時在99年是有一個規劃旅運大樓\n\n29\n00:10:30,780 --> 00:10:32,242\n那請問西六碼頭現在空在那邊做什麼?\n\n30\n00:10:40,575 --> 00:10:49,543\n那個計畫在103年的時候因為西岸會展旅運智慧大樓那同時之間也是基隆捷運最後一站那我想請問交通部\n\n31\n00:11:05,346 --> 00:11:31,601\n目前的規劃是什麼?現在這樣啦,旅運大樓現在西岸就是西2、西3嘛那個就是你們所謂的旅運大樓那您講的在西3碼頭那個他們現在還在準備花包現在西6的話,西6的部分的話就是我們有這跟當初國際標那個建築物差太多了吧當初開國際標還是那時候還是被國際認為說是優良建築物所以現在變成是什麼都不是的倉庫\n\n32\n00:11:33,387 --> 00:11:33,627\n關於文資的問題﹖\n\n33\n00:11:55,366 --> 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里都有大量的觀光客在塞車那這個問題已經不是單單純基隆市的問題包括新北的問題也常浮現而我也知道說這條高速公路為什麼會塞車主要原因是經過\n國道3號基金交流道而基金交流道那邊要直接到金山萬里必須經過整個大武倫地區而大武倫地區嚴格講起來那邊有住住有3萬人住在那邊而最主要的是國道3號並沒有一個往西向的交流道引道\n我們如果部長還是我們的高工局的主管開過條路的時候你會發現說國道3號有到62號往東向也就是往瑞芳甚至九份方向去跑的交流道但是並沒有往西向但是本席在這邊強烈建議與其你們再重新開一條高速公路直達萬里金山倒不如好好去想一想國道3號怎麼樣去連接往西向的交流道\n委員我能不能簡單說明一下那個國家新城的話印象中的話他是西邊是隔一個新山水庫才到國道3號所以要做可行性評估阿他應該是做一條聯絡道路看看這聯絡道路怎麼處理我先把我這邊的訴求先講清楚因為這個是工層面我認為我們如果在在工層面在不影響水庫安全的情況下我們都是可以克服的他距離國道還有1公里多\n我現在要提的是還有第三個,國道1號在於苗栗市玉清大橋這邊其實應該設一個交流道連接72號來幫助苗栗的苗中地區的經濟發展\n這個部分以前有討論過他有高低差的問題而且那地方是邊坡曾經有癱滑過所以目前來講說那個山齁是我覺得可行性評估以前有處理過那請給我資料第4個我在第4頁第7項的時候我有看到國道1號\n的無土交流道到矽脂交流道有投寬計畫但是我們目前本席要求會後你要給我詳細的書面資料然後我之後我要再從這邊再去做質詢而最後一點我是目前我想請問一下因為本席以前曾經在港務公司任職過\n在高雄的旅運中心當初是認為這個建造的經費是比基隆的旅運中心來得高很多的我記得如果沒有錯的話高達20億以上那請問一下基隆港現在的旅運中心進度怎麼樣因為部長您也講過捷運到基隆捷運一定到我有生之年捷運一定到基隆市區但是如果你當初的計畫沒有說話捷運到基隆市區的最後一站是基隆港的旅運中心那我想請教目前進度是怎麼樣\n當時在99年是有一個規劃旅運大樓\n那請問西六碼頭現在空在那邊做什麼?\n那個計畫在103年的時候因為西岸會展旅運智慧大樓那同時之間也是基隆捷運最後一站那我想請問交通部\n目前的規劃是什麼?現在這樣啦,旅運大樓現在西岸就是西2、西3嘛那個就是你們所謂的旅運大樓那您講的在西3碼頭那個他們現在還在準備花包現在西6的話,西6的部分的話就是我們有這跟當初國際標那個建築物差太多了吧當初開國際標還是那時候還是被國際認為說是優良建築物所以現在變成是什麼都不是的倉庫\n關於文資的問題﹖\n我希望交通部可以主動負責其第二階段的基礎決定規劃。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.822 --> 00:11.528\n主席請王部長上台請王部長另外一張\n\n00:14.057 --> 00:33.554\n王部長,我在你們這份報告裡面看得洋洋灑灑看了一堆我發覺在67到68年你們對TPAS的功能性你們覺得很自豪但是我必須提醒你們看到TPAS的功能性其實實質上是大幅度被削弱的而且削弱得很厲害\n\n00:34.415 --> 00:34.735\n李卓人議員\n\n00:51.647 --> 00:51.667\n請下頁。\n\n01:14.390 --> 01:41.899\n這是昨天晚上在市府轉運站1815等車的狀況當下有超過300人在那邊等車而我本期在那邊從9點半到10點的時候我在那邊等1815這台車是基隆市目前運量第二大的國道公路路線但是那個時候能夠上車的如果我記得我本期沒有記錯的話在150人左右裡面差不多只有50個人能上了車\n\n01:42.859 --> 02:09.165\n而這個擁捨的狀況非常嚴重在下一頁在第二個2088是更大的一條是目前基隆市最大的客運路線而2088這條線呢好一點在短短的30分鐘裡面有將近5班車平均每班車有20多個人但是像這樣的狀況是如果說在我本席只是臨時去抽查在昨天晚上9點下一頁\n\n02:12.301 --> 02:32.255\n本期只是臨時去搜查在昨天晚上9點半到10點之間我就看到這樣的狀況的話我想在台北市的每一個大站點我們都會看到同樣的基隆人甚至桃園人遇到同樣的國道客運班次的問題我們等車的時間實質上是越來越長的因為\n\n02:32.955 --> 03:00.537\n有班次不夠因為司機不夠因為國道客運法因為運輸業管理規則其實事實上已經不符合時宜TPAS的成立對於全部的通勤族來講是件好事但是目前來講因為我們準備的資源不管是不管是班次也好司機也好甚至車子也好我聽說我們的這個中央政府要求我們的巴士全面電動化\n\n03:02.839 --> 03:18.985\n但是全面電動化的話目前我知道客運業者跟得上能夠跟得上進度的人沒幾個啊那你補助又不夠的時候你這樣不是硬生生的逼著業者不得不去違法不得不去趕不上要求嗎這一點來講我認為運輸業管理規則如果要很快速的改變的話運輸業管理規則\n\n03:25.027 --> 03:37.261\n這件事情會是未來在交通委員會在您任內不管下一項520之後您做不到交通部部長這件事情必須要馬上解決這個不關政治這是民生的問題請部長回答\n\n03:39.884 --> 04:01.046\n的確基隆的客運就像委員所提的事實上如果以這樣的看式如果服務都提供的話那個更多人搭乘用T-pass更多人的確現在主要是在司機還有包括在這一次在基隆的國道客運這個首都退出以後他服務品質是比較差的\n\n04:01.747 --> 04:27.383\n所以我們在這段時間也做了很多的改善那其中有一個是司機的課題司機課題在我們公路局等一下局長做一個補充他事實上有幫忙代信司機但是這個腳步的確疫情過後我認為司機的問題是其次而是在於業者是不是能夠合理有效的調度司機的班次我覺得才是我們現在真的要討論的問題\n\n04:28.604 --> 04:56.863\n而這個問題上面國道客運跟一般公車我們上次在總質詢的時候我們曾經討論過1.4公里1.4塊1公里的補助跟2.3塊1公里的補助基本上這個其實是很不合理的第二件事情就是說讓空車繼續跑讓司機開空車然後造成成本的增加這個對國道客運的業者來講也是很辛苦的所以本席在這邊強力\n\n04:58.985 --> 05:13.807\n強力訴求應該要把雙北化成一個首都生活圈或首都交通圈讓基隆、桃園、宜蘭三邊的國道公車變成所謂的城際公車這樣能夠快速的解決我們現在遇到國道客運的問題\n\n05:16.611 --> 05:20.313\n現在基本上就是一個生活圈,依然基隆雙北\n\n05:45.530 --> 06:00.375\n再來我在1到10頁的部長講在你的這份報告裡面寫最多是1到10頁的公路工程尤其是國道交流道的設置那上次我們在總諮詢的時候\n\n06:01.815 --> 06:23.574\n部長一直提說軌道運輸其實某個程度上是為了都市規劃而設計的但是本席認為公路工程跟我們的國道交流道的設置才是針對國家的區域發展有長足的幫助在我的一道實驗裡面每一個你設置的這個設置的這些交流道裡面高工局都負責設計都跟用地取得工程發包\n\n06:24.375 --> 06:49.495\n然後尤其是最好的例子是國道33接66號快速道路國道1號接74號快速道路這方面的事情的話本席在這邊強烈推強烈建議以下幾個幾條路線我認為國道交流道這邊的工程應該延伸到那邊去第一個在基隆市安樂區國家新城地區目前那邊只有不到0.9平方公里就有15000人住在那個區域\n\n06:50.456 --> 07:15.482\n而15000個區域之外還加一個貨櫃場在那0.9平方公里裡面而只有一條兩線道的道路要開差不多將近1.5公里才能接上國道那這件事情其實我造成說安樂區我目前最大的選區造成常態性的大塞車天天早上都在塞車我認為這樣的困境應該需要交通部來幫忙這是第一個第二個\n\n07:16.582 --> 07:32.358\n每週末我們都知道說往金山萬里都有大量的觀光客在塞車那這個問題已經不是單單純基隆市的問題包括新北的問題也常浮現而我也知道說這條高速公路為什麼會塞車主要原因是經過\n\n07:34.740 --> 07:51.009\n國道3號基金交流道而基金交流道那邊要直接到金山萬里必須經過整個大武倫地區而大武倫地區嚴格講起來那邊有住住有3萬人住在那邊而最主要的是國道3號並沒有一個往西向的交流道引道\n\n07:52.069 --> 08:18.571\n我們如果部長還是我們的高工局的主管開過條路的時候你會發現說國道3號有到62號往東向也就是往瑞芳甚至九份方向去跑的交流道但是並沒有往西向但是本席在這邊強烈建議與其你們再重新開一條高速公路直達萬里金山倒不如好好去想一想國道3號怎麼樣去連接往西向的交流道\n\n08:19.561 --> 08:47.526\n委員我能不能簡單說明一下那個國家新城的話印象中的話他是西邊是隔一個新山水庫才到國道3號所以要做可行性評估阿他應該是做一條聯絡道路看看這聯絡道路怎麼處理我先把我這邊的訴求先講清楚因為這個是工層面我認為我們如果在在工層面在不影響水庫安全的情況下我們都是可以克服的他距離國道還有1公里多\n\n08:48.306 --> 08:51.089\n我現在要提的是還有第三個,國道1號在於苗栗市玉清大橋這邊其實應該設一個交流道連接72號來幫助苗栗的苗中地區的經濟發展\n\n09:04.541 --> 09:15.609\n這個部分以前有討論過他有高低差的問題而且那地方是邊坡曾經有癱滑過所以目前來講說那個山齁是我覺得可行性評估以前有處理過那請給我資料第4個我在第4頁第7項的時候我有看到國道1號\n\n09:23.234 --> 09:39.276\n的無土交流道到矽脂交流道有投寬計畫但是我們目前本席要求會後你要給我詳細的書面資料然後我之後我要再從這邊再去做質詢而最後一點我是目前我想請問一下因為本席以前曾經在港務公司任職過\n\n09:40.217 --> 10:08.379\n在高雄的旅運中心當初是認為這個建造的經費是比基隆的旅運中心來得高很多的我記得如果沒有錯的話高達20億以上那請問一下基隆港現在的旅運中心進度怎麼樣因為部長您也講過捷運到基隆捷運一定到我有生之年捷運一定到基隆市區但是如果你當初的計畫沒有說話捷運到基隆市區的最後一站是基隆港的旅運中心那我想請教目前進度是怎麼樣\n\n10:08.899 --> 10:10.120\n當時在99年是有一個規劃旅運大樓\n\n10:30.780 --> 10:32.242\n那請問西六碼頭現在空在那邊做什麼?\n\n10:40.575 --> 10:49.543\n那個計畫在103年的時候因為西岸會展旅運智慧大樓那同時之間也是基隆捷運最後一站那我想請問交通部\n\n11:05.346 --> 11:31.601\n目前的規劃是什麼?現在這樣啦,旅運大樓現在西岸就是西2、西3嘛那個就是你們所謂的旅運大樓那您講的在西3碼頭那個他們現在還在準備花包現在西6的話,西6的部分的話就是我們有這跟當初國際標那個建築物差太多了吧當初開國際標還是那時候還是被國際認為說是優良建築物所以現在變成是什麼都不是的倉庫\n\n11:33.387 --> 11:33.627\n關於文資的問題﹖\n\n11:55.366 --> 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