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00:01:34,730\n好,那我們也知道勞動部應該要持續的針對各方的代表來妥善的溝通來化解疑慮來凝聚共識這個前面好幾位委員也都有提到相關的政策那當然我們也知道不同的立場一定有不同的看法跟考量所以本期建議勞動部應該持續的邀請包括所有的工商團體、勞動團體等各方的代表來妥善的溝通\n\n5\n00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:54,039\n讓這個社會的共識可以凝聚的更為完整讓這一項經過政府完整的評估而且是符合我們國際經濟發展的需求的政策能夠順利的執行這是非常期待的部分我們所期許的各方面的這些推動\n\n6\n00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:09,012\n不只是在這個勞工的移入的同時其實醫療領域也是我們很期待的部分我們知道目前基於國際跟區域情勢的變化如果能夠簽署在MOU這類雙邊合作的時候\n\n7\n00:02:10,653 --> 00:02:26,543\n能夠有相關的這些帶動的話應該對於臺灣的整理發展會更佔有優勢那請教部長我們這次簽署MOU剛剛提到說沒有其他的利益的問題那我們是不是有連動的去促進其他層面的合作\n\n8\n00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:42,452\n其他部位其實他們早就有各項議題的合作我們這邊是屬於勞務所以其實台印之間的合作面向其實是越來越多但是就是各自的部位自己去\n\n9\n00:02:43,012 --> 00:02:43,452\n在疫情最緊張的時候\n\n10\n00:03:02,859 --> 00:03:22,392\n我們對於這位KK阿加瓦這位前西貿理事長的過世真的是表達對他的敬意因為他為了要率先防疫所以也不幸感染而死亡這部分我們覺得非常萬喜那我們期待說未來\n\n11\n00:03:23,112 --> 00:03:40,414\n在做醫療的部分簽署MOU的同時有沒有機會針對醫療的領域也有機會透過這些合作方式持續來執行那當然這個會是我們其他需要再持續努力的目標不知道衛福這邊有沒有其他的一些思維\n\n12\n00:03:42,172 --> 00:03:57,528\n目前部裡面這邊其實有關醫療的部分也都持續有這些包括新南向的一些政策那也都在持續在推動中是好謝謝那我們也知道其實移工的職債風險是很高的\n\n13\n00:04:01,353 --> 00:04:14,067\n實現風險會上升的原因基本上就是因為工作類別造成的那我們很謝謝這些移工們到臺灣來協助整個臺灣的這些各方面的進步那我們也看到其實只在\n\n14\n00:04:15,228 --> 00:04:38,064\n對於這個移工造成的影響是蠻明顯的從108年到112年這5年來已經有1000件以上的這些不管是失能或者是死亡的給付那請問我們最近對於這些移工造成的失能跟給付的部分我們看到的是案件那有沒有金額上的統計\n\n15\n00:04:39,724 --> 00:05:09,367\n金額這個部分我再給委員好不好那個金額部分我請業務單位整理以後再送給委員辦公室那就麻煩部長因為我們知道如果我們能夠有效的去控制管控這個失能或者是死亡幾戶的話那對於不管是對於他們的保護或是對我們整體的經濟在費用的處理也應該會有相關的影響那我們在強化這個職案的部分不知道現在勞動部有加強了哪一部分\n\n16\n00:05:09,947 --> 00:05:32,190\n我們其實對移工的這些職安委的宣導跟教育訓練都持續在進行那也會針對說高危險的高風險的一些行業像營造營造這方面我們也都會去列為我們的重點那也會特別加強移工在\n\n17\n00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:50,921\n指責這些營造的高風險等行業的一些它的風險管理自己的風險的危害的意識還有應該要配備的相關的這些防護措施等等我們都有計畫在做一些推動\n\n18\n00:05:51,482 --> 00:06:14,393\n好那就讓部長繼續加強那移工安全的下游的部分就是醫療權益就是我們這些移工的醫療權益那其實目前跨部會的整合既有了醫療權益當然我們期待的就是能夠保障他們在當他身體有違和的時候能夠提供好的一個醫療處置那不曉得部長\n\n19\n00:06:17,935 --> 00:06:23,943\n有沒有了解新南向健康服務中心相關的資源的配置?那如何能夠有效的來連結這些資源?這個\n\n20\n00:06:32,762 --> 00:06:58,107\n包委這個部分我可能還不是那麼清楚我在了解以後是當然是不只是未來的印度籍的移工我們也期待假設現在已經在臺灣的這些移工也都能夠讓他們在就醫的過程裡面得到相關的一些好的連結因為我們至少有40家以上的友善醫院其實有提供這方面的服務模式\n\n21\n00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:22,563\n是國內的醫院體系是嗎?是我請業務單位了解以後我覺得這是很好的一個大家可以合作的政策好那就再麻煩勞動部還有跟衛福部這邊有更多相關的這個服務面向的連結那我們再看其實除了這個部分以外\n\n22\n00:07:24,384 --> 00:07:48,709\n很多很多的移工在就業市有一些困境這個困境很有可能就是包括四大項因為他不熟悉我們的醫療體制他可能有語言上的隔閡他有怕擔心會受到歧視那有時候是因為工作的性質不容易請假所以我們也曾經去查過目前每位勞工平均一年\n\n23\n00:07:50,287 --> 00:07:51,347\n這次我們希望能夠持續來加強的部分\n\n24\n00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,107\n好,那我們看這個部...所以...\n\n25\n00:08:22,483 --> 00:08:50,706\n主席我可以多兩分鐘那大嘉義計畫基本上是我們最近透過嘉義制度希望能夠幫助到臺灣尤其是慢性病的部分在事實上很多高科技、新科技是可以進來如果我們未來移工有這個需要也期待有這樣的計畫能夠協助他們這個可能還是要跨部會的這個結合能夠讓這個落實度會更好那我們再往下看最後的部分其實大家都很關心\n\n26\n00:08:51,667 --> 00:09:05,732\n很關心這些失聯移工人數也多了那他們的就醫造成的袋帳怎麼辦那醫院長期來墊付就變成每一家醫院的負擔尤其很多都是屬於地區醫院\n\n27\n00:09:06,812 --> 00:09:30,271\n那地區醫院他本身可能這樣的風險就已經比較高他如果是在地區醫院是私人醫院處理好以後或者是處理他們覺得無法承擔就把他轉到公立醫院那就變成公立醫院另外一項負擔所以這部分不知道未來如何能夠來協助加強因為我們知道目前是有海外工作基金等等的部分那\n\n28\n00:09:37,517 --> 00:09:50,287\n請問我們目前是不是有任何移工已經有成立的基金?那如果跟印度簽署MOU這個議題能不能夠也把它納為在簽署MOU當中的一項?\n\n29\n00:09:52,150 --> 00:10:09,597\n謝謝委員：我們會來納入討論的項目之一那這個海外工作基金到目前為止因為來源國都比較消極不願意配合不過未來我們會就是外國的連帶仲介的連帶保證責任這部分我們會來\n\n30\n00:10:11,536 --> 00:10:15,058\n目前這些店鋪的部分我們看到就業安定基金指含瓜的\n\n31\n00:10:30,105 --> 00:10:48,250\n暫時會、旅費所以我們很期待就業服務法如果能夠把這個醫藥費也能夠納為他要墊付的這個項目的話那至少至少在這個醫療院所協助這些移工做醫療照顧的時候的費用是不應該被排除的\n\n32\n00:10:50,071 --> 00:11:07,085\n這個部分其實我們在行政院有討論過大家是認為這是不符合救安基金的使用目的因為這個還是屬於個人債務所以我們其實就是剛剛講的在跟萊恩國這邊再做一些溝通協商另外就是用這個科與仲介連帶保證的機制來讓這個問題\n\n33\n00:11:11,192 --> 00:11:12,814\n王正旭委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7559\t19345\t謝謝主席有請勞動部許部長整席今天的質詢的內容有部分是關於衛福部的業務所以也請衛福部的代表王偉好是你好部長好\n30450\t46138\t首先關於本次與印度簽署開放移工的MOU本席有兩個面向的建議對內本席建議我們勞動部必須要積極溝通才能夠凝聚國內的共識對外\n47859\t65356\t本席也建議我們應該透過這一次的契機來持續推動與印度合作的這個相關的一些內容那我們這邊所提到的官方合作不只勞動部也希望會包括其他的行政機關是 謝謝委員我們會遵照辦理\n65796\t94730\t好,那我們也知道勞動部應該要持續的針對各方的代表來妥善的溝通來化解疑慮來凝聚共識這個前面好幾位委員也都有提到相關的政策那當然我們也知道不同的立場一定有不同的看法跟考量所以本期建議勞動部應該持續的邀請包括所有的工商團體、勞動團體等各方的代表來妥善的溝通\n96290\t114039\t讓這個社會的共識可以凝聚的更為完整讓這一項經過政府完整的評估而且是符合我們國際經濟發展的需求的政策能夠順利的執行這是非常期待的部分我們所期許的各方面的這些推動\n115160\t129012\t不只是在這個勞工的移入的同時其實醫療領域也是我們很期待的部分我們知道目前基於國際跟區域情勢的變化如果能夠簽署在MOU這類雙邊合作的時候\n130653\t146543\t能夠有相關的這些帶動的話應該對於臺灣的整理發展會更佔有優勢那請教部長我們這次簽署MOU剛剛提到說沒有其他的利益的問題那我們是不是有連動的去促進其他層面的合作\n148780\t162452\t其他部位其實他們早就有各項議題的合作我們這邊是屬於勞務所以其實台印之間的合作面向其實是越來越多但是就是各自的部位自己去\n163012\t163452\t在疫情最緊張的時候\n182859\t202392\t我們對於這位KK阿加瓦這位前西貿理事長的過世真的是表達對他的敬意因為他為了要率先防疫所以也不幸感染而死亡這部分我們覺得非常萬喜那我們期待說未來\n203112\t220414\t在做醫療的部分簽署MOU的同時有沒有機會針對醫療的領域也有機會透過這些合作方式持續來執行那當然這個會是我們其他需要再持續努力的目標不知道衛福這邊有沒有其他的一些思維\n222172\t237528\t目前部裡面這邊其實有關醫療的部分也都持續有這些包括新南向的一些政策那也都在持續在推動中是好謝謝那我們也知道其實移工的職債風險是很高的\n241353\t254067\t實現風險會上升的原因基本上就是因為工作類別造成的那我們很謝謝這些移工們到臺灣來協助整個臺灣的這些各方面的進步那我們也看到其實只在\n255228\t278064\t對於這個移工造成的影響是蠻明顯的從108年到112年這5年來已經有1000件以上的這些不管是失能或者是死亡的給付那請問我們最近對於這些移工造成的失能跟給付的部分我們看到的是案件那有沒有金額上的統計\n279724\t309367\t金額這個部分我再給委員好不好那個金額部分我請業務單位整理以後再送給委員辦公室那就麻煩部長因為我們知道如果我們能夠有效的去控制管控這個失能或者是死亡幾戶的話那對於不管是對於他們的保護或是對我們整體的經濟在費用的處理也應該會有相關的影響那我們在強化這個職案的部分不知道現在勞動部有加強了哪一部分\n309947\t332190\t我們其實對移工的這些職安委的宣導跟教育訓練都持續在進行那也會針對說高危險的高風險的一些行業像營造營造這方面我們也都會去列為我們的重點那也會特別加強移工在\n334400\t350921\t指責這些營造的高風險等行業的一些它的風險管理自己的風險的危害的意識還有應該要配備的相關的這些防護措施等等我們都有計畫在做一些推動\n351482\t374393\t好 那就讓部長繼續加強那移工安全的下游的部分就是醫療權益就是我們這些移工的醫療權益那其實目前跨部會的整合既有了醫療權益當然我們期待的就是能夠保障他們在當他身體有違和的時候能夠提供好的一個醫療處置那不曉得部長\n377935\t383943\t有沒有了解新南向健康服務中心相關的資源的配置?那如何能夠有效的來連結這些資源?這個\n392762\t418107\t包委這個部分我可能還不是那麼清楚我在了解以後是當然是不只是未來的印度籍的移工我們也期待假設現在已經在臺灣的這些移工也都能夠讓他們在就醫的過程裡面得到相關的一些好的連結因為我們至少有40家以上的友善醫院其實有提供這方面的服務模式\n420087\t442563\t是國內的醫院體系是嗎?是我請業務單位了解以後我覺得這是很好的一個大家可以合作的政策好那就再麻煩勞動部還有跟衛福部這邊有更多相關的這個服務面向的連結那我們再看其實除了這個部分以外\n444384\t468709\t很多很多的移工在就業市有一些困境這個困境很有可能就是包括四大項因為他不熟悉我們的醫療體制他可能有語言上的隔閡他有怕擔心會受到歧視那有時候是因為工作的性質不容易請假所以我們也曾經去查過目前每位勞工平均一年\n470287\t471347\t這次我們希望能夠持續來加強的部分\n499000\t500107\t好,那我們看這個部...所以...\n502483\t530706\t主席我可以多兩分鐘那大嘉義計畫基本上是我們最近透過嘉義制度希望能夠幫助到臺灣尤其是慢性病的部分在事實上很多高科技、新科技是可以進來如果我們未來移工有這個需要也期待有這樣的計畫能夠協助他們這個可能還是要跨部會的這個結合能夠讓這個落實度會更好那我們再往下看最後的部分其實大家都很關心\n531667\t545732\t很關心這些失聯移工人數也多了那他們的就醫造成的袋帳怎麼辦那醫院長期來墊付就變成每一家醫院的負擔尤其很多都是屬於地區醫院\n546812\t570271\t那地區醫院他本身可能這樣的風險就已經比較高他如果是在地區醫院是私人醫院處理好以後或者是處理他們覺得無法承擔就把他轉到公立醫院那就變成公立醫院另外一項負擔所以這部分不知道未來如何能夠來協助加強因為我們知道目前是有海外工作基金等等的部分那\n577517\t590287\t請問我們目前是不是有任何移工已經有成立的基金?那如果跟印度簽署MOU這個議題能不能夠也把它納為在簽署MOU當中的一項?\n592150\t609597\t謝謝委員：我們會來納入討論的項目之一那這個海外工作基金到目前為止因為來源國都比較消極不願意配合不過未來我們會就是外國的連帶仲介的連帶保證責任這部分我們會來\n611536\t615058\t目前這些店鋪的部分我們看到就業安定基金指含瓜的\n630105\t648250\t暫時會、旅費所以我們很期待就業服務法如果能夠把這個醫藥費也能夠納為他要墊付的這個項目的話那至少至少在這個醫療院所協助這些移工做醫療照顧的時候的費用是不應該被排除的\n650071\t667085\t這個部分其實我們在行政院有討論過大家是認為這是不符合救安基金的使用目的因為這個還是屬於個人債務所以我們其實就是剛剛講的在跟萊恩國這邊再做一些溝通協商另外就是用這個科與仲介連帶保證的機制來讓這個問題\n671192\t672814\t王正旭委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請勞動部許部長整席今天的質詢的內容有部分是關於衛福部的業務所以也請衛福部的代表王偉好是你好部長好\n首先關於本次與印度簽署開放移工的MOU本席有兩個面向的建議對內本席建議我們勞動部必須要積極溝通才能夠凝聚國內的共識對外\n本席也建議我們應該透過這一次的契機來持續推動與印度合作的這個相關的一些內容那我們這邊所提到的官方合作不只勞動部也希望會包括其他的行政機關是 謝謝委員我們會遵照辦理\n好,那我們也知道勞動部應該要持續的針對各方的代表來妥善的溝通來化解疑慮來凝聚共識這個前面好幾位委員也都有提到相關的政策那當然我們也知道不同的立場一定有不同的看法跟考量所以本期建議勞動部應該持續的邀請包括所有的工商團體、勞動團體等各方的代表來妥善的溝通\n讓這個社會的共識可以凝聚的更為完整讓這一項經過政府完整的評估而且是符合我們國際經濟發展的需求的政策能夠順利的執行這是非常期待的部分我們所期許的各方面的這些推動\n不只是在這個勞工的移入的同時其實醫療領域也是我們很期待的部分我們知道目前基於國際跟區域情勢的變化如果能夠簽署在MOU這類雙邊合作的時候\n能夠有相關的這些帶動的話應該對於臺灣的整理發展會更佔有優勢那請教部長我們這次簽署MOU剛剛提到說沒有其他的利益的問題那我們是不是有連動的去促進其他層面的合作\n其他部位其實他們早就有各項議題的合作我們這邊是屬於勞務所以其實台印之間的合作面向其實是越來越多但是就是各自的部位自己去\n在疫情最緊張的時候\n我們對於這位KK阿加瓦這位前西貿理事長的過世真的是表達對他的敬意因為他為了要率先防疫所以也不幸感染而死亡這部分我們覺得非常萬喜那我們期待說未來\n在做醫療的部分簽署MOU的同時有沒有機會針對醫療的領域也有機會透過這些合作方式持續來執行那當然這個會是我們其他需要再持續努力的目標不知道衛福這邊有沒有其他的一些思維\n目前部裡面這邊其實有關醫療的部分也都持續有這些包括新南向的一些政策那也都在持續在推動中是好謝謝那我們也知道其實移工的職債風險是很高的\n實現風險會上升的原因基本上就是因為工作類別造成的那我們很謝謝這些移工們到臺灣來協助整個臺灣的這些各方面的進步那我們也看到其實只在\n對於這個移工造成的影響是蠻明顯的從108年到112年這5年來已經有1000件以上的這些不管是失能或者是死亡的給付那請問我們最近對於這些移工造成的失能跟給付的部分我們看到的是案件那有沒有金額上的統計\n金額這個部分我再給委員好不好那個金額部分我請業務單位整理以後再送給委員辦公室那就麻煩部長因為我們知道如果我們能夠有效的去控制管控這個失能或者是死亡幾戶的話那對於不管是對於他們的保護或是對我們整體的經濟在費用的處理也應該會有相關的影響那我們在強化這個職案的部分不知道現在勞動部有加強了哪一部分\n我們其實對移工的這些職安委的宣導跟教育訓練都持續在進行那也會針對說高危險的高風險的一些行業像營造營造這方面我們也都會去列為我們的重點那也會特別加強移工在\n指責這些營造的高風險等行業的一些它的風險管理自己的風險的危害的意識還有應該要配備的相關的這些防護措施等等我們都有計畫在做一些推動\n好 那就讓部長繼續加強那移工安全的下游的部分就是醫療權益就是我們這些移工的醫療權益那其實目前跨部會的整合既有了醫療權益當然我們期待的就是能夠保障他們在當他身體有違和的時候能夠提供好的一個醫療處置那不曉得部長\n有沒有了解新南向健康服務中心相關的資源的配置?那如何能夠有效的來連結這些資源?這個\n包委這個部分我可能還不是那麼清楚我在了解以後是當然是不只是未來的印度籍的移工我們也期待假設現在已經在臺灣的這些移工也都能夠讓他們在就醫的過程裡面得到相關的一些好的連結因為我們至少有40家以上的友善醫院其實有提供這方面的服務模式\n是國內的醫院體系是嗎?是我請業務單位了解以後我覺得這是很好的一個大家可以合作的政策好那就再麻煩勞動部還有跟衛福部這邊有更多相關的這個服務面向的連結那我們再看其實除了這個部分以外\n很多很多的移工在就業市有一些困境這個困境很有可能就是包括四大項因為他不熟悉我們的醫療體制他可能有語言上的隔閡他有怕擔心會受到歧視那有時候是因為工作的性質不容易請假所以我們也曾經去查過目前每位勞工平均一年\n這次我們希望能夠持續來加強的部分\n好,那我們看這個部...所以...\n主席我可以多兩分鐘那大嘉義計畫基本上是我們最近透過嘉義制度希望能夠幫助到臺灣尤其是慢性病的部分在事實上很多高科技、新科技是可以進來如果我們未來移工有這個需要也期待有這樣的計畫能夠協助他們這個可能還是要跨部會的這個結合能夠讓這個落實度會更好那我們再往下看最後的部分其實大家都很關心\n很關心這些失聯移工人數也多了那他們的就醫造成的袋帳怎麼辦那醫院長期來墊付就變成每一家醫院的負擔尤其很多都是屬於地區醫院\n那地區醫院他本身可能這樣的風險就已經比較高他如果是在地區醫院是私人醫院處理好以後或者是處理他們覺得無法承擔就把他轉到公立醫院那就變成公立醫院另外一項負擔所以這部分不知道未來如何能夠來協助加強因為我們知道目前是有海外工作基金等等的部分那\n請問我們目前是不是有任何移工已經有成立的基金?那如果跟印度簽署MOU這個議題能不能夠也把它納為在簽署MOU當中的一項?\n謝謝委員：我們會來納入討論的項目之一那這個海外工作基金到目前為止因為來源國都比較消極不願意配合不過未來我們會就是外國的連帶仲介的連帶保證責任這部分我們會來\n目前這些店鋪的部分我們看到就業安定基金指含瓜的\n暫時會、旅費所以我們很期待就業服務法如果能夠把這個醫藥費也能夠納為他要墊付的這個項目的話那至少至少在這個醫療院所協助這些移工做醫療照顧的時候的費用是不應該被排除的\n這個部分其實我們在行政院有討論過大家是認為這是不符合救安基金的使用目的因為這個還是屬於個人債務所以我們其實就是剛剛講的在跟萊恩國這邊再做一些溝通協商另外就是用這個科與仲介連帶保證的機制來讓這個問題\n王正旭委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.559 --> 00:19.345\n謝謝主席有請勞動部許部長整席今天的質詢的內容有部分是關於衛福部的業務所以也請衛福部的代表王偉好是你好部長好\n\n00:30.450 --> 00:46.138\n首先關於本次與印度簽署開放移工的MOU本席有兩個面向的建議對內本席建議我們勞動部必須要積極溝通才能夠凝聚國內的共識對外\n\n00:47.859 --> 01:05.356\n本席也建議我們應該透過這一次的契機來持續推動與印度合作的這個相關的一些內容那我們這邊所提到的官方合作不只勞動部也希望會包括其他的行政機關是謝謝委員我們會遵照辦理\n\n01:05.796 --> 01:34.730\n好,那我們也知道勞動部應該要持續的針對各方的代表來妥善的溝通來化解疑慮來凝聚共識這個前面好幾位委員也都有提到相關的政策那當然我們也知道不同的立場一定有不同的看法跟考量所以本期建議勞動部應該持續的邀請包括所有的工商團體、勞動團體等各方的代表來妥善的溝通\n\n01:36.290 --> 01:54.039\n讓這個社會的共識可以凝聚的更為完整讓這一項經過政府完整的評估而且是符合我們國際經濟發展的需求的政策能夠順利的執行這是非常期待的部分我們所期許的各方面的這些推動\n\n01:55.160 --> 02:09.012\n不只是在這個勞工的移入的同時其實醫療領域也是我們很期待的部分我們知道目前基於國際跟區域情勢的變化如果能夠簽署在MOU這類雙邊合作的時候\n\n02:10.653 --> 02:26.543\n能夠有相關的這些帶動的話應該對於臺灣的整理發展會更佔有優勢那請教部長我們這次簽署MOU剛剛提到說沒有其他的利益的問題那我們是不是有連動的去促進其他層面的合作\n\n02:28.780 --> 02:42.452\n其他部位其實他們早就有各項議題的合作我們這邊是屬於勞務所以其實台印之間的合作面向其實是越來越多但是就是各自的部位自己去\n\n02:43.012 --> 02:43.452\n在疫情最緊張的時候\n\n03:02.859 --> 03:22.392\n我們對於這位KK阿加瓦這位前西貿理事長的過世真的是表達對他的敬意因為他為了要率先防疫所以也不幸感染而死亡這部分我們覺得非常萬喜那我們期待說未來\n\n03:23.112 --> 03:40.414\n在做醫療的部分簽署MOU的同時有沒有機會針對醫療的領域也有機會透過這些合作方式持續來執行那當然這個會是我們其他需要再持續努力的目標不知道衛福這邊有沒有其他的一些思維\n\n03:42.172 --> 03:57.528\n目前部裡面這邊其實有關醫療的部分也都持續有這些包括新南向的一些政策那也都在持續在推動中是好謝謝那我們也知道其實移工的職債風險是很高的\n\n04:01.353 --> 04:14.067\n實現風險會上升的原因基本上就是因為工作類別造成的那我們很謝謝這些移工們到臺灣來協助整個臺灣的這些各方面的進步那我們也看到其實只在\n\n04:15.228 --> 04:38.064\n對於這個移工造成的影響是蠻明顯的從108年到112年這5年來已經有1000件以上的這些不管是失能或者是死亡的給付那請問我們最近對於這些移工造成的失能跟給付的部分我們看到的是案件那有沒有金額上的統計\n\n04:39.724 --> 05:09.367\n金額這個部分我再給委員好不好那個金額部分我請業務單位整理以後再送給委員辦公室那就麻煩部長因為我們知道如果我們能夠有效的去控制管控這個失能或者是死亡幾戶的話那對於不管是對於他們的保護或是對我們整體的經濟在費用的處理也應該會有相關的影響那我們在強化這個職案的部分不知道現在勞動部有加強了哪一部分\n\n05:09.947 --> 05:32.190\n我們其實對移工的這些職安委的宣導跟教育訓練都持續在進行那也會針對說高危險的高風險的一些行業像營造營造這方面我們也都會去列為我們的重點那也會特別加強移工在\n\n05:34.400 --> 05:50.921\n指責這些營造的高風險等行業的一些它的風險管理自己的風險的危害的意識還有應該要配備的相關的這些防護措施等等我們都有計畫在做一些推動\n\n05:51.482 --> 06:14.393\n好那就讓部長繼續加強那移工安全的下游的部分就是醫療權益就是我們這些移工的醫療權益那其實目前跨部會的整合既有了醫療權益當然我們期待的就是能夠保障他們在當他身體有違和的時候能夠提供好的一個醫療處置那不曉得部長\n\n06:17.935 --> 06:23.943\n有沒有了解新南向健康服務中心相關的資源的配置?那如何能夠有效的來連結這些資源?這個\n\n06:32.762 --> 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