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00:03:23,072\n有關於11月16號的時候你們勞動部有貼文上一年的時候你們說假訊息那件事情之外有一句話很特別叫做勞動部深知目前社會對於印度開放移工來源還是有疑慮所以你們說那個時候尚未簽署也在草擬之中可是過了短短大概三個月的時間你們就簽署了請問部長你覺得有解決這個疑慮嗎\n\n9\n00:03:25,124 --> 00:03:52,139\n報告委員其實疑慮的部分我們還是會持﹖所以請問你覺得有解決疑慮嗎有一些有理解可能有一些部分大家還需要我們再多溝通所以還沒有解決對不對我不敢說因為問題一定會也有辦法說一定會持續啦有些人理解有些人不理解那我們就是說不理解的部分我們還是要持續努力那為什麼部長牌你們自己也知道還有不理解的部分要這麼急著簽MOU呢\n\n10\n00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:16,834\n報告委員我們的MOU他是一個架構就是雙方就這個勞務合作一個意向的一個簽署那後面那個實質的是部長我知道剛剛前面有幾位委員也提過那請問你們在做這件事情之前有沒有什麼評估的報告和方案或是評估相關的這個作業流程報告\n\n11\n00:04:22,162 --> 00:04:49,229\n報告委員我們業務單位在沒有有他們有做一些資訊的蒐集包括評估都有有做資訊的蒐集那你們有做一個報告嗎報告你們跟委員報告這一次我們跟印度在洽商大概主要的評估資訊是從像外交部還有包含印度部台的這些相關字我們把它做我要打斷您喔抱歉我想要打斷您的是說其實你們有你不知道啊部長\n\n12\n00:04:50,273 --> 00:05:18,892\n我上網查了一下,你們官方的報告裡面有一個106年外勞來源國輸出政策走向及我國因應對策的官方評估,對不對?有嘛,對不對?所以你們剛剛是忘記了這件事?不是忘記,我本來以為是說這一次,以為特別寫報告,因為我們...好沒關係,我請問,因為你們這段時間新的報告等於沒做嘛,最新的一份是這個嘛,我網路上查到你們官方有的報告是這份,那請問這是決策,唯一的決策依據嗎?\n\n13\n00:05:20,936 --> 00:05:25,093\n不是是依據之一好那我們下一頁\n\n14\n00:05:26,724 --> 00:05:51,670\n你沒有講到包含你3月4號的這個新聞有說到印度是一個我們可以用的這個來源國因為依照目前的政經局勢還有可能印度受到中國大陸的干預比較少然後低於貧窮線的人口數也眾多加上菲律賓跟菲律賓相同多數人可以用英語溝通而且數理能力這個程度加所以可以來做考慮的對象請問您是不是認同\n\n15\n00:05:53,567 --> 00:06:15,238\n認同這個報告的這部分認同嗎?認同對不對?部長請回答認同好但是同一份報告裡面也有專家說也有專家反饋他們認為印度比較不推薦因為他們的家族性常會使一次一大群人一起來而且語言跟文化差異性也較高請問部長你認同嗎?認同不認同?\n\n16\n00:06:19,019 --> 00:06:20,020\n所以你認同這個概念嗎?你認同還是不認同?好,我們下一個\n\n17\n00:06:32,162 --> 00:06:45,168\n好那這裡也有講到這個印度跟臺灣的關係不錯印度的種族很多可能要考慮哪一個種族適合臺灣我想要請問這個部長您覺得是你們有評估過哪一個種族適合臺灣嗎沒有評估有還是沒有評估有評估嗎沒有評估沒有評估對是這個我們其實目前並不是以種族來考慮是來合作其實主要是對於未來他的條件\n\n18\n00:07:01,816 --> 00:07:05,939\n建議鎖定印度某些區域引進,如東北方的阿薩姆或周遭的六個省,信仰基督教且英文流利,請問你認同與否?\n\n19\n00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:49,721\n副長,你認同?所以你部分有認同,部分不認同這個決議?我就尊重他這個報告,不能說任何人都尊重。但是尊重也有認同和不認同嗎?因為我記得你也有提說,你們會優先從那三個,那個部分來引進,對嗎?優先考量。這個就是說,當初是說,未來我們會考。你有優先考量嘛,對不對?優先考量,當然就是有這個。\n\n20\n00:07:50,728 --> 00:08:13,431\n好,所以其實你們有這個評估報告可是你們不太確定可是你也是部分的採用那再來對,再來就是這個裡面也有提到印度斯里蘭卡進入到家庭內勞工比較困難在語言溝通上有困難那還有同時應該要教育國人與回教徒及印度教徒的相處方式請問你們有相關的配套或是你們有相關的要執行的方向嗎\n\n21\n00:08:16,259 --> 00:08:30,286\n因為印度他的語言確實有印度文跟相關的語氣所以說未來在討論的時候其實我們在跟他主席再給我兩分鐘因為他裡面的英文的能力也是很多好沒關係下一頁\n\n22\n00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:51,994\n所以我上面只想要解決要告訴部長的是其實你們也知道社會的疑慮並沒有解除並沒有解除所以你們應該要再努力的這應該是你們要努力的方向因為現在我們在民間有接收到非常多的民眾對於這件事情的確有疑慮我在反映我們代表反映疑慮告訴你而且也要提醒部長\n\n23\n00:08:53,034 --> 00:09:07,963\n剛剛你們所有的報告裡面有包含種族包含區域等等的其實我要提醒部長要小心不要變成人權笑話因為您昨天也才在印度移工說膚色相近的部分遭到藍綠都共同譴責所以要請部長小心好不好下一頁\n\n24\n00:09:09,304 --> 00:09:11,786\n我們現在遇到很大的問題是我們逃逸的移工數量暴增\n\n25\n00:09:29,653 --> 00:09:29,853\n你聽我說齁其實在\n\n26\n00:09:54,343 --> 00:10:21,759\n最近的元素為什麼還暴增?主要是3年的疫情我知道!你的報告裡面有寫但是我跟委員報告我們110有比111我知道!我都有看到數據我有認真讀你的東西但是你剛剛自己也有講到嘛你有3件很重要的事情要繼續努力的嘛其中一項就是這個嘛所以我要提出來告訴你喔其實你並沒有做好你要再繼續努力好不好下一頁勞動部會繼續努力那但是你缺工也沒有解決嘛所以你移工跟缺工\n\n27\n00:10:22,739 --> 00:10:22,779\n下頁下頁\n\n28\n00:10:54,020 --> 00:11:17,873\n因為非法的黑工他收入更優惑所以他就會逃跑包含很多建築工是不是他有他量能不足他還是偷用了這個失聯義工結果失聯義工一天的薪水都比合法義工還要高最後都被洗去當失聯義工對不對這是事實吧這是地氣這個是很接地氣的部分甚至很多農業的部分你們也不敢真的去抓對不對下一頁\n\n29\n00:11:20,285 --> 00:11:41,679\n比如說有一些農業的需求因為沒有年輕人所以他必須用移工然後他的淡旺季分配不明顯所以導致很多人就是臨時去當了移工他們也願意雇用移工然後當你們要去稽查的時候還會特別通知在地的里長說要來稽查囉大家當天不要出現這都是在地方上和農業上真正發生的事情你有沒有意識到這樣的狀況部長\n\n30\n00:11:44,060 --> 00:12:00,665\n所以剛剛委員講的很對啦就是說其實很多是經濟因素所以像我們的那個家庭看護工我們也在把他薪資從一萬七調到兩萬我們未來也會針對非法僱用非法仲介這邊我們加重他的罰則\n\n31\n00:12:03,127 --> 00:12:22,586\n是,所以我要告訴部長的事情對,就是說這是一個結構性的問題你應該要從整個大結構配合產業的需求去通盤的考量不是頭痛於頭,腳痛於腳該開放的我們就開放,像營造業,過去民間很多開工所以我們現在營造業,民間的營造業我們也開了一萬五,農業移工部門\n\n32\n00:12:26,549 --> 00:12:28,610\n好謝謝廖偉翔委員的質詢我們現在休息5分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8720\t11602\t主席好 有請部長好 請部長廖元豪許部長你好不好意思稍等我一下好不好我們等這個PowerPoint把它弄出來好 OK好 我想要請教我們的許部長你知不知道你是現在就任至今已經2200天了是我們這個史上任期最長的部長\n38499\t52150\t恭喜你所以我想要請問你回顧這2000多天的日子你覺得在你的任內勞動部最急切還需要加把勁的業務有哪一些你可不可以給我舉例三項我想\n57867\t75573\t譬如說勞保年金的這些問題財務問題的解決我想這是大家所關注的那第二個就是像目前這個大家對移工失聯的問題希望能夠有效的能夠解決我覺得這也是重大的議題之一\n76853\t77273\t報告委員．我\n106570\t134916\t目前就是把我目前的工作做好那希望在520之後能夠順利交給新任的部長所以你就有覺得不想要再續任了我覺得應該可以讓更多長才來發揮更多長才來發揮那如果部長沒有要繼續擔任部長的話我們祝福你希望你可以轉職成功那也希望在你任內你很成功的推動你的這個中高齡就業服務的機制你會不會使用這個機制去找你新的工作\n137367\t162696\t我覺得這個也是一個很好的不過我本身有專業還好所以你比較特別那請問所以你本身有專業還好那請問你會因為也有在外傳這個其實如果要跨業我如果不想回到我專業跨業我會來來善用這個你會來善用這個對不對我覺得不要用中高齡我覺得我是壯士代很好我也喜歡壯士代那請問我們這個壯士代的部長你會考慮投入選舉嗎\n167485\t177489\t目前沒有這個規劃沒有這個規劃我剛剛委員把我現在的工作做好我印象就是這樣好因為有傳聞是這樣那沒關係我們今天趕快進入到正題下一頁\n180126\t203072\t有關於11月16號的時候你們勞動部有貼文上一年的時候你們說假訊息那件事情之外有一句話很特別叫做勞動部深知目前社會對於印度開放移工來源還是有疑慮所以你們說那個時候尚未簽署也在草擬之中可是過了短短大概三個月的時間你們就簽署了請問部長你覺得有解決這個疑慮嗎\n205124\t232139\t報告委員其實疑慮的部分我們還是會持﹖所以請問你覺得有解決疑慮嗎有一些有理解可能有一些部分大家還需要我們再多溝通所以還沒有解決對不對我不敢說因為問題一定會也有辦法說一定會持續啦有些人理解有些人不理解那我們就是說不理解的部分我們還是要持續努力那為什麼部長牌你們自己也知道還有不理解的部分要這麼急著簽MOU呢\n233920\t256834\t報告委員我們的MOU他是一個架構就是雙方就這個勞務合作一個意向的一個簽署那後面那個實質的是部長我知道剛剛前面有幾位委員也提過那請問你們在做這件事情之前有沒有什麼評估的報告和方案或是評估相關的這個作業流程報告\n262162\t289229\t報告委員我們業務單位在沒有有他們有做一些資訊的蒐集包括評估都有有做資訊的蒐集那你們有做一個報告嗎報告你們跟委員報告這一次我們跟印度在洽商大概主要的評估資訊是從像外交部還有包含印度部台的這些相關字我們把它做我要打斷您喔抱歉我想要打斷您的是說其實你們有你不知道啊部長\n290273\t318892\t我上網查了一下,你們官方的報告裡面有一個106年外勞來源國輸出政策走向及我國因應對策的官方評估,對不對?有嘛,對不對?所以你們剛剛是忘記了這件事?不是忘記,我本來以為是說這一次,以為特別寫報告,因為我們...好沒關係,我請問,因為你們這段時間新的報告等於沒做嘛,最新的一份是這個嘛,我網路上查到你們官方有的報告是這份,那請問這是決策,唯一的決策依據嗎?\n320936\t325093\t不是是依據之一好那我們下一頁\n326724\t351670\t你沒有講到包含你3月4號的這個新聞有說到印度是一個我們可以用的這個來源國因為依照目前的政經局勢還有可能印度受到中國大陸的干預比較少然後低於貧窮線的人口數也眾多加上菲律賓跟菲律賓相同多數人可以用英語溝通而且數理能力這個程度加所以可以來做考慮的對象請問您是不是認同\n353567\t375238\t認同這個報告的這部分認同嗎?認同對不對?部長請回答認同好但是同一份報告裡面也有專家說也有專家反饋他們認為印度比較不推薦因為他們的家族性常會使一次一大群人一起來而且語言跟文化差異性也較高請問部長你認同嗎?認同不認同?\n379019\t380020\t所以你認同這個概念嗎?你認同還是不認同?好,我們下一個\n392162\t405168\t好那這裡也有講到這個印度跟臺灣的關係不錯印度的種族很多可能要考慮哪一個種族適合臺灣我想要請問這個部長您覺得是你們有評估過哪一個種族適合臺灣嗎沒有評估有還是沒有評估有評估嗎沒有評估沒有評估對是這個我們其實目前並不是以種族來考慮是來合作其實主要是對於未來他的條件\n421816\t425939\t建議鎖定印度某些區域引進,如東北方的阿薩姆或周遭的六個省,信仰基督教且英文流利,請問你認同與否?\n447967\t469721\t副長,你認同?所以你部分有認同,部分不認同這個決議?我就尊重他這個報告,不能說任何人都尊重。但是尊重也有認同和不認同嗎?因為我記得你也有提說,你們會優先從那三個,那個部分來引進,對嗎?優先考量。這個就是說,當初是說,未來我們會考。你有優先考量嘛,對不對?優先考量,當然就是有這個。\n470728\t493431\t好,所以其實你們有這個評估報告可是你們不太確定可是你也是部分的採用那再來對,再來就是這個裡面也有提到印度斯里蘭卡進入到家庭內勞工比較困難在語言溝通上有困難那還有同時應該要教育國人與回教徒及印度教徒的相處方式請問你們有相關的配套或是你們有相關的要執行的方向嗎\n496259\t510286\t因為印度他的語言確實有印度文跟相關的語氣所以說未來在討論的時候其實我們在跟他主席再給我兩分鐘因為他裡面的英文的能力也是很多好沒關係下一頁\n512799\t531994\t所以我上面只想要解決要告訴部長的是其實你們也知道社會的疑慮並沒有解除並沒有解除所以你們應該要再努力的這應該是你們要努力的方向因為現在我們在民間有接收到非常多的民眾對於這件事情的確有疑慮我在反映我們代表反映疑慮告訴你而且也要提醒部長\n533034\t547963\t剛剛你們所有的報告裡面有包含種族包含區域等等的其實我要提醒部長要小心不要變成人權笑話因為您昨天也才在印度移工說膚色相近的部分遭到藍綠都共同譴責所以要請部長小心好不好下一頁\n549304\t551786\t我們現在遇到很大的問題是我們逃逸的移工數量暴增\n569653\t569853\t你聽我說齁 其實在\n594343\t621759\t最近的元素為什麼還暴增?主要是3年的疫情我知道!你的報告裡面有寫但是我跟委員報告我們110有比111我知道!我都有看到數據我有認真讀你的東西但是你剛剛自己也有講到嘛你有3件很重要的事情要繼續努力的嘛其中一項就是這個嘛所以我要提出來告訴你喔其實你並沒有做好你要再繼續努力好不好下一頁勞動部會繼續努力那但是你缺工也沒有解決嘛所以你移工跟缺工\n622739\t622779\t下頁下頁\n654020\t677873\t因為非法的黑工他收入更優惑所以他就會逃跑包含很多建築工是不是他有他量能不足他還是偷用了這個失聯義工結果失聯義工一天的薪水都比合法義工還要高最後都被洗去當失聯義工對不對這是事實吧這是地氣這個是很接地氣的部分甚至很多農業的部分你們也不敢真的去抓對不對下一頁\n680285\t701679\t比如說有一些農業的需求因為沒有年輕人所以他必須用移工然後他的淡旺季分配不明顯所以導致很多人就是臨時去當了移工他們也願意雇用移工然後當你們要去稽查的時候還會特別通知在地的里長說要來稽查囉大家當天不要出現這都是在地方上和農業上真正發生的事情你有沒有意識到這樣的狀況部長\n704060\t720665\t所以剛剛委員講的很對啦就是說其實很多是經濟因素所以像我們的那個家庭看護工我們也在把他薪資從一萬七調到兩萬我們未來也會針對非法僱用非法仲介這邊我們加重他的罰則\n723127\t742586\t是,所以我要告訴部長的事情對,就是說這是一個結構性的問題你應該要從整個大結構配合產業的需求去通盤的考量不是頭痛於頭,腳痛於腳該開放的我們就開放,像營造業,過去民間很多開工所以我們現在營造業,民間的營造業我們也開了一萬五,農業移工部門\n746549\t748610\t好 謝謝廖偉翔委員的質詢 我們現在休息5分鐘\n","txt":"主席好 有請部長好 請部長廖元豪許部長你好不好意思稍等我一下好不好我們等這個PowerPoint把它弄出來好 OK好 我想要請教我們的許部長你知不知道你是現在就任至今已經2200天了是我們這個史上任期最長的部長\n恭喜你所以我想要請問你回顧這2000多天的日子你覺得在你的任內勞動部最急切還需要加把勁的業務有哪一些你可不可以給我舉例三項我想\n譬如說勞保年金的這些問題財務問題的解決我想這是大家所關注的那第二個就是像目前這個大家對移工失聯的問題希望能夠有效的能夠解決我覺得這也是重大的議題之一\n報告委員．我\n目前就是把我目前的工作做好那希望在520之後能夠順利交給新任的部長所以你就有覺得不想要再續任了我覺得應該可以讓更多長才來發揮更多長才來發揮那如果部長沒有要繼續擔任部長的話我們祝福你希望你可以轉職成功那也希望在你任內你很成功的推動你的這個中高齡就業服務的機制你會不會使用這個機制去找你新的工作\n我覺得這個也是一個很好的不過我本身有專業還好所以你比較特別那請問所以你本身有專業還好那請問你會因為也有在外傳這個其實如果要跨業我如果不想回到我專業跨業我會來來善用這個你會來善用這個對不對我覺得不要用中高齡我覺得我是壯士代很好我也喜歡壯士代那請問我們這個壯士代的部長你會考慮投入選舉嗎\n目前沒有這個規劃沒有這個規劃我剛剛委員把我現在的工作做好我印象就是這樣好因為有傳聞是這樣那沒關係我們今天趕快進入到正題下一頁\n有關於11月16號的時候你們勞動部有貼文上一年的時候你們說假訊息那件事情之外有一句話很特別叫做勞動部深知目前社會對於印度開放移工來源還是有疑慮所以你們說那個時候尚未簽署也在草擬之中可是過了短短大概三個月的時間你們就簽署了請問部長你覺得有解決這個疑慮嗎\n報告委員其實疑慮的部分我們還是會持﹖所以請問你覺得有解決疑慮嗎有一些有理解可能有一些部分大家還需要我們再多溝通所以還沒有解決對不對我不敢說因為問題一定會也有辦法說一定會持續啦有些人理解有些人不理解那我們就是說不理解的部分我們還是要持續努力那為什麼部長牌你們自己也知道還有不理解的部分要這麼急著簽MOU呢\n報告委員我們的MOU他是一個架構就是雙方就這個勞務合作一個意向的一個簽署那後面那個實質的是部長我知道剛剛前面有幾位委員也提過那請問你們在做這件事情之前有沒有什麼評估的報告和方案或是評估相關的這個作業流程報告\n報告委員我們業務單位在沒有有他們有做一些資訊的蒐集包括評估都有有做資訊的蒐集那你們有做一個報告嗎報告你們跟委員報告這一次我們跟印度在洽商大概主要的評估資訊是從像外交部還有包含印度部台的這些相關字我們把它做我要打斷您喔抱歉我想要打斷您的是說其實你們有你不知道啊部長\n我上網查了一下,你們官方的報告裡面有一個106年外勞來源國輸出政策走向及我國因應對策的官方評估,對不對?有嘛,對不對?所以你們剛剛是忘記了這件事?不是忘記,我本來以為是說這一次,以為特別寫報告,因為我們...好沒關係,我請問,因為你們這段時間新的報告等於沒做嘛,最新的一份是這個嘛,我網路上查到你們官方有的報告是這份,那請問這是決策,唯一的決策依據嗎?\n不是是依據之一好那我們下一頁\n你沒有講到包含你3月4號的這個新聞有說到印度是一個我們可以用的這個來源國因為依照目前的政經局勢還有可能印度受到中國大陸的干預比較少然後低於貧窮線的人口數也眾多加上菲律賓跟菲律賓相同多數人可以用英語溝通而且數理能力這個程度加所以可以來做考慮的對象請問您是不是認同\n認同這個報告的這部分認同嗎?認同對不對?部長請回答認同好但是同一份報告裡面也有專家說也有專家反饋他們認為印度比較不推薦因為他們的家族性常會使一次一大群人一起來而且語言跟文化差異性也較高請問部長你認同嗎?認同不認同?\n所以你認同這個概念嗎?你認同還是不認同?好,我們下一個\n好那這裡也有講到這個印度跟臺灣的關係不錯印度的種族很多可能要考慮哪一個種族適合臺灣我想要請問這個部長您覺得是你們有評估過哪一個種族適合臺灣嗎沒有評估有還是沒有評估有評估嗎沒有評估沒有評估對是這個我們其實目前並不是以種族來考慮是來合作其實主要是對於未來他的條件\n建議鎖定印度某些區域引進,如東北方的阿薩姆或周遭的六個省,信仰基督教且英文流利,請問你認同與否?\n副長,你認同?所以你部分有認同,部分不認同這個決議?我就尊重他這個報告,不能說任何人都尊重。但是尊重也有認同和不認同嗎?因為我記得你也有提說,你們會優先從那三個,那個部分來引進,對嗎?優先考量。這個就是說,當初是說,未來我們會考。你有優先考量嘛,對不對?優先考量,當然就是有這個。\n好,所以其實你們有這個評估報告可是你們不太確定可是你也是部分的採用那再來對,再來就是這個裡面也有提到印度斯里蘭卡進入到家庭內勞工比較困難在語言溝通上有困難那還有同時應該要教育國人與回教徒及印度教徒的相處方式請問你們有相關的配套或是你們有相關的要執行的方向嗎\n因為印度他的語言確實有印度文跟相關的語氣所以說未來在討論的時候其實我們在跟他主席再給我兩分鐘因為他裡面的英文的能力也是很多好沒關係下一頁\n所以我上面只想要解決要告訴部長的是其實你們也知道社會的疑慮並沒有解除並沒有解除所以你們應該要再努力的這應該是你們要努力的方向因為現在我們在民間有接收到非常多的民眾對於這件事情的確有疑慮我在反映我們代表反映疑慮告訴你而且也要提醒部長\n剛剛你們所有的報告裡面有包含種族包含區域等等的其實我要提醒部長要小心不要變成人權笑話因為您昨天也才在印度移工說膚色相近的部分遭到藍綠都共同譴責所以要請部長小心好不好下一頁\n我們現在遇到很大的問題是我們逃逸的移工數量暴增\n你聽我說齁 其實在\n最近的元素為什麼還暴增?主要是3年的疫情我知道!你的報告裡面有寫但是我跟委員報告我們110有比111我知道!我都有看到數據我有認真讀你的東西但是你剛剛自己也有講到嘛你有3件很重要的事情要繼續努力的嘛其中一項就是這個嘛所以我要提出來告訴你喔其實你並沒有做好你要再繼續努力好不好下一頁勞動部會繼續努力那但是你缺工也沒有解決嘛所以你移工跟缺工\n下頁下頁\n因為非法的黑工他收入更優惑所以他就會逃跑包含很多建築工是不是他有他量能不足他還是偷用了這個失聯義工結果失聯義工一天的薪水都比合法義工還要高最後都被洗去當失聯義工對不對這是事實吧這是地氣這個是很接地氣的部分甚至很多農業的部分你們也不敢真的去抓對不對下一頁\n比如說有一些農業的需求因為沒有年輕人所以他必須用移工然後他的淡旺季分配不明顯所以導致很多人就是臨時去當了移工他們也願意雇用移工然後當你們要去稽查的時候還會特別通知在地的里長說要來稽查囉大家當天不要出現這都是在地方上和農業上真正發生的事情你有沒有意識到這樣的狀況部長\n所以剛剛委員講的很對啦就是說其實很多是經濟因素所以像我們的那個家庭看護工我們也在把他薪資從一萬七調到兩萬我們未來也會針對非法僱用非法仲介這邊我們加重他的罰則\n是,所以我要告訴部長的事情對,就是說這是一個結構性的問題你應該要從整個大結構配合產業的需求去通盤的考量不是頭痛於頭,腳痛於腳該開放的我們就開放,像營造業,過去民間很多開工所以我們現在營造業,民間的營造業我們也開了一萬五,農業移工部門\n好 謝謝廖偉翔委員的質詢 我們現在休息5分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.720 --> 00:11.602\n主席好有請部長好請部長廖元豪許部長你好不好意思稍等我一下好不好我們等這個PowerPoint把它弄出來好OK好我想要請教我們的許部長你知不知道你是現在就任至今已經2200天了是我們這個史上任期最長的部長\n\n00:38.499 --> 00:52.150\n恭喜你所以我想要請問你回顧這2000多天的日子你覺得在你的任內勞動部最急切還需要加把勁的業務有哪一些你可不可以給我舉例三項我想\n\n00:57.867 --> 01:15.573\n譬如說勞保年金的這些問題財務問題的解決我想這是大家所關注的那第二個就是像目前這個大家對移工失聯的問題希望能夠有效的能夠解決我覺得這也是重大的議題之一\n\n01:16.853 --> 01:17.273\n報告委員．我\n\n01:46.570 --> 02:14.916\n目前就是把我目前的工作做好那希望在520之後能夠順利交給新任的部長所以你就有覺得不想要再續任了我覺得應該可以讓更多長才來發揮更多長才來發揮那如果部長沒有要繼續擔任部長的話我們祝福你希望你可以轉職成功那也希望在你任內你很成功的推動你的這個中高齡就業服務的機制你會不會使用這個機制去找你新的工作\n\n02:17.367 --> 02:42.696\n我覺得這個也是一個很好的不過我本身有專業還好所以你比較特別那請問所以你本身有專業還好那請問你會因為也有在外傳這個其實如果要跨業我如果不想回到我專業跨業我會來來善用這個你會來善用這個對不對我覺得不要用中高齡我覺得我是壯士代很好我也喜歡壯士代那請問我們這個壯士代的部長你會考慮投入選舉嗎\n\n02:47.485 --> 02:57.489\n目前沒有這個規劃沒有這個規劃我剛剛委員把我現在的工作做好我印象就是這樣好因為有傳聞是這樣那沒關係我們今天趕快進入到正題下一頁\n\n03:00.126 --> 03:23.072\n有關於11月16號的時候你們勞動部有貼文上一年的時候你們說假訊息那件事情之外有一句話很特別叫做勞動部深知目前社會對於印度開放移工來源還是有疑慮所以你們說那個時候尚未簽署也在草擬之中可是過了短短大概三個月的時間你們就簽署了請問部長你覺得有解決這個疑慮嗎\n\n03:25.124 --> 03:52.139\n報告委員其實疑慮的部分我們還是會持﹖所以請問你覺得有解決疑慮嗎有一些有理解可能有一些部分大家還需要我們再多溝通所以還沒有解決對不對我不敢說因為問題一定會也有辦法說一定會持續啦有些人理解有些人不理解那我們就是說不理解的部分我們還是要持續努力那為什麼部長牌你們自己也知道還有不理解的部分要這麼急著簽MOU呢\n\n03:53.920 --> 04:16.834\n報告委員我們的MOU他是一個架構就是雙方就這個勞務合作一個意向的一個簽署那後面那個實質的是部長我知道剛剛前面有幾位委員也提過那請問你們在做這件事情之前有沒有什麼評估的報告和方案或是評估相關的這個作業流程報告\n\n04:22.162 --> 04:49.229\n報告委員我們業務單位在沒有有他們有做一些資訊的蒐集包括評估都有有做資訊的蒐集那你們有做一個報告嗎報告你們跟委員報告這一次我們跟印度在洽商大概主要的評估資訊是從像外交部還有包含印度部台的這些相關字我們把它做我要打斷您喔抱歉我想要打斷您的是說其實你們有你不知道啊部長\n\n04:50.273 --> 05:18.892\n我上網查了一下,你們官方的報告裡面有一個106年外勞來源國輸出政策走向及我國因應對策的官方評估,對不對?有嘛,對不對?所以你們剛剛是忘記了這件事?不是忘記,我本來以為是說這一次,以為特別寫報告,因為我們...好沒關係,我請問,因為你們這段時間新的報告等於沒做嘛,最新的一份是這個嘛,我網路上查到你們官方有的報告是這份,那請問這是決策,唯一的決策依據嗎?\n\n05:20.936 --> 05:25.093\n不是是依據之一好那我們下一頁\n\n05:26.724 --> 05:51.670\n你沒有講到包含你3月4號的這個新聞有說到印度是一個我們可以用的這個來源國因為依照目前的政經局勢還有可能印度受到中國大陸的干預比較少然後低於貧窮線的人口數也眾多加上菲律賓跟菲律賓相同多數人可以用英語溝通而且數理能力這個程度加所以可以來做考慮的對象請問您是不是認同\n\n05:53.567 --> 06:15.238\n認同這個報告的這部分認同嗎?認同對不對?部長請回答認同好但是同一份報告裡面也有專家說也有專家反饋他們認為印度比較不推薦因為他們的家族性常會使一次一大群人一起來而且語言跟文化差異性也較高請問部長你認同嗎?認同不認同?\n\n06:19.019 --> 06:20.020\n所以你認同這個概念嗎?你認同還是不認同?好,我們下一個\n\n06:32.162 --> 06:45.168\n好那這裡也有講到這個印度跟臺灣的關係不錯印度的種族很多可能要考慮哪一個種族適合臺灣我想要請問這個部長您覺得是你們有評估過哪一個種族適合臺灣嗎沒有評估有還是沒有評估有評估嗎沒有評估沒有評估對是這個我們其實目前並不是以種族來考慮是來合作其實主要是對於未來他的條件\n\n07:01.816 --> 07:05.939\n建議鎖定印度某些區域引進,如東北方的阿薩姆或周遭的六個省,信仰基督教且英文流利,請問你認同與否?\n\n07:27.967 --> 07:49.721\n副長,你認同?所以你部分有認同,部分不認同這個決議?我就尊重他這個報告,不能說任何人都尊重。但是尊重也有認同和不認同嗎?因為我記得你也有提說,你們會優先從那三個,那個部分來引進,對嗎?優先考量。這個就是說,當初是說,未來我們會考。你有優先考量嘛,對不對?優先考量,當然就是有這個。\n\n07:50.728 --> 08:13.431\n好,所以其實你們有這個評估報告可是你們不太確定可是你也是部分的採用那再來對,再來就是這個裡面也有提到印度斯里蘭卡進入到家庭內勞工比較困難在語言溝通上有困難那還有同時應該要教育國人與回教徒及印度教徒的相處方式請問你們有相關的配套或是你們有相關的要執行的方向嗎\n\n08:16.259 --> 08:30.286\n因為印度他的語言確實有印度文跟相關的語氣所以說未來在討論的時候其實我們在跟他主席再給我兩分鐘因為他裡面的英文的能力也是很多好沒關係下一頁\n\n08:32.799 --> 08:51.994\n所以我上面只想要解決要告訴部長的是其實你們也知道社會的疑慮並沒有解除並沒有解除所以你們應該要再努力的這應該是你們要努力的方向因為現在我們在民間有接收到非常多的民眾對於這件事情的確有疑慮我在反映我們代表反映疑慮告訴你而且也要提醒部長\n\n08:53.034 --> 09:07.963\n剛剛你們所有的報告裡面有包含種族包含區域等等的其實我要提醒部長要小心不要變成人權笑話因為您昨天也才在印度移工說膚色相近的部分遭到藍綠都共同譴責所以要請部長小心好不好下一頁\n\n09:09.304 --> 09:11.786\n我們現在遇到很大的問題是我們逃逸的移工數量暴增\n\n09:29.653 --> 09:29.853\n你聽我說齁其實在\n\n09:54.343 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