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00:00:31,043\n很高興再次見面那今天是我們這個會期也是這一屆的第一次委員會那我有幾些問題剛好延續還好您在我看各位處長大概都是老面孔所以一些舊問題我們可以持續追蹤\n\n3\n00:00:32,344 --> 00:00:52,770\n在業務報告裡面我常常重視的是我們安置我們的軍事官兵的比例特別是我們在民間像新字頭的天然氣公司啊新興客運等等我們持股比例多少我們盡量做到安置軍事官兵的比例盡量接近權責相輔福利相輔\n\n4\n00:00:53,570 --> 00:01:20,420\n第二個這個安置的福利以往可能中高階居多數我們現在職業軍人包含職業兵越來越多第一類第二類退伍軍人增加我們希望多幫助這一些還很年輕他可能10年就退了或者20年退不過40來歲所以對基層的中低階的官士兵的安置我們也希望提高人數所以我比較注重這兩個數字所以第一個我特別挑出新章\n\n5\n00:01:21,499 --> 00:01:46,645\n我們在多次的委員會討論就是安置比例的問題目前我把所有數字看了一遍好像只有新章最難配合在退伏會持股比例34.08那新章目前安置的我們退伍軍人是17.35大概就一半跟其他新自備的天然氣公司我們其他的事業單位\n\n6\n00:01:47,645 --> 00:01:58,887\n我差距有一段相當的距離我可不可以請教一下為什麼新章天然氣的輔導我們的退伍軍人就業特別低原因是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:00,231 --> 00:02:17,140\n委員好我是事業管理處組長嚴常在我先跟您回答這個問題事實上我們也非常重視這個問題因為我們整體的比例其實我們總共33%現在已經42%的安置率了但是新商公司經過我們3年的努力其實有成長那個成長在誤差值範圍內是是是\n\n8\n00:02:21,142 --> 00:02:36,620\n但是我們會持續努力為什麼為什麼要特別低你剛才講到一點喔你們在協助我們的退伍的弟兄姊妹們就業其實是成長喔30多%到40多%不錯喔那你的不錯這個又特別低那他的問題就特別突兀嘛\n\n9\n00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:40,124\n李文宗副主委也在這邊答詢這個議題說到如果真的拉不上來開董事會他要親自帶隊去好問一下\n\n10\n00:02:55,024 --> 00:03:20,611\n這一個家公司到底有什麼問題我們去拜訪朱和聲董事長其實他最主要的問題為什麼成長速度這麼慢是因為這三年來員工流動的比例實在是太少了像這三年來我們雖然只進步了5%5%而已只是占他們員工新進用的人數已經是絕大部分你想的理由是他的舊員工沒人走所以我就沒辦法安置新人進去那我如果查起來不是這樣子怎麼辦當然\n\n11\n00:03:22,992 --> 00:03:44,442\n他們跟我回報的狀況是這個樣子是這個樣子你們有董事在裡面你們可以看他的業務報告人事機用你看得到怎麼他講就算數報告委員所以說為了改善這個狀況我們特別派了當地的彰化地區的榮福樹處長去擔任那個公司的董事我坦白講不要形塑好像新章\n\n12\n00:03:45,612 --> 00:03:49,794\n我接受也尊重剛才我們馮主委講的我們對外交的失誤有時候講太細反而推不動\n\n13\n00:04:09,562 --> 00:04:20,369\n那我們今年國際退伍軍人事務交流從原來的預算627萬5千元提升到1127萬6千元成長500萬1千元有成長那為什麼會有成長這500萬向委員報告最主要就是我們成長兩個部分第一個是機票那另外我們剛剛因為機票漲價機票漲價第二個就是國內接待的一些相關事務\n\n14\n00:04:39,451 --> 00:04:39,851\n我想讓副主委去\n\n15\n00:05:09,332 --> 00:05:33,850\n因為有些國家對於上將還當過部長的他們會有一點點你上將當過部長的現在有一個在當某一國的總統那一國名字我不好意思講出來因為我怕你們要去你懂我意思嗎其實你去對北約或者有另外一個層次的交流但是你指派副主委我想應該是李文忠副主委要去\n\n16\n00:05:35,290 --> 00:05:35,990\n主動接觸然後他們邀請\n\n17\n00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:28,652\n那你認為受阻的機會大不大大因為你今天我們都還沒問你在記者問的時候你已經講要去歐洲了嘛那歐洲的國家有退伍軍人協會的齁我坦白講也沒那麼多啦大概可以算一算算得出來啦齁如果中共阻撓導致不能成行我覺得中國把自己這個大國做小了退伍軍人的交流你去阻礙什麼全世界的退伍軍人都是朋友嘛\n\n18\n00:06:29,434 --> 00:06:29,854\n王定宇\n\n19\n00:06:47,233 --> 00:07:07,699\n歐洲型可能會有一些阻礙所以我就不問你什麼時候要去了好不好就不要談什麼時候要去我們希望去了之後是不是向本會提一個專報這應該沒問題會的好等你們回來好接下來我要就叫退府會的產訓合作專班一樣這個我先給你們肯定我一直在追這個數據你看2018年你們產訓專班參訓8人畢業7個\n\n20\n00:07:14,498 --> 00:07:41,288\n我辦了一個專案只有8個參加7個退伍而且只能去客運公司上班當時我們就提出來說行業這麼多我們的訓練太少經過2018年到現在2023到2024你的人數其實是一直跳躍是成長我給你們肯定那行業別我過去最不喜歡也不能接受就是誰說退伍軍人只能當保全退伍軍人很多專業\n\n21\n00:07:43,356 --> 00:08:05,838\n退伍軍人在軍中學的很多可以應用的所以你們到2022年開始應用在客運海運天然氣食品鋼鐵光電一直往下走這好事我現在只問一個問題你們這叫做產訓嘛所以2024年訓260人那產業就是說我要進到產業界他們的就業安排目前幾比幾\n\n22\n00:08:08,159 --> 00:08:16,827\n那個勞動部的救福中心會算每一個訓練出來的人有3個工作叫1比3有1.2個工作叫1比1.2你訓練出來的人大概有多少就業機會\n\n23\n00:08:19,042 --> 00:08:24,107\n稍微好好跟您報告就學界會處處長齊玉蘭而針對您剛所追尋的問題我們的這個補導會所推的產訓合作跟勞動部的方案是不一樣我們簡單來講我今天是這個跟了一個企業界已經找好了優質企業時間我簡單問你就是我先詢問找好的需求是找好的需求這邊虛工260我這邊就訓練260是你們是這樣作業的嗎\n\n24\n00:08:45,146 --> 00:08:57,196\n不是這樣子,因為他們會提出一個職缺的數量,那我們去推薦有意願報名的,我們就是經過他面試以後,他也同意了我這個人數呢,他只要通過這個測驗,訓練合格,他一定要給我入局\n\n25\n00:09:03,081 --> 00:09:23,497\n所以我把程序弄懂是你們變成要去拜訪公司行號是那我這邊需要5個員工分別需要光電機械類似這樣子那你們就錄取這樣的人數來進行訓練訓練考核合格他一定要禁用我們推薦人數會比較多讓他先去做面試對所以你應該會禁用比較多一點嘛大概幾比幾但是他的5\n\n26\n00:09:24,438 --> 00:09:38,790\n呃就是比如說他職缺就是要5個那但是我會推薦比較多的一個數目讓他先去做面試面試他合格以後讓他去受訓你們現在媒合率達到百分之多少百分之一百百分之一百那他們聘用之後我們有沒有像過去給予每個月薪資補貼一萬\n\n27\n00:09:40,891 --> 00:09:57,980\n就是我們促進穩定就業津貼是他可以領領一年嗎對領一年你們有沒有追蹤一年後還在任的剛才我好像聽主委有講在任的還達到百分之八十幾我們的統計是就是一滿一年以後他還在繼續留任的公司90.6390.63好這個我們繼續希望更精進讓我們的退伍軍人就業環境更好謝謝主委謝謝處長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n883\t5005\t主席麻煩主委主委我們兩個應該是在這個空間相處最久的人\n16835\t31043\t很高興再次見面那今天是我們這個會期也是這一屆的第一次委員會那我有幾些問題剛好延續還好您在我看各位處長大概都是老面孔所以一些舊問題我們可以持續追蹤\n32344\t52770\t在業務報告裡面我常常重視的是我們安置我們的軍事官兵的比例特別是我們在民間像新字頭的天然氣公司啊新興客運等等我們持股比例多少我們盡量做到安置軍事官兵的比例盡量接近權責相輔福利相輔\n53570\t80420\t第二個這個安置的福利以往可能中高階居多數我們現在職業軍人包含職業兵越來越多第一類第二類退伍軍人增加我們希望多幫助這一些還很年輕他可能10年就退了或者20年退不過40來歲所以對基層的中低階的官士兵的安置我們也希望提高人數所以我比較注重這兩個數字所以第一個我特別挑出新章\n81499\t106645\t我們在多次的委員會討論就是安置比例的問題目前我把所有數字看了一遍好像只有新章最難配合在退伏會持股比例34.08那新章目前安置的我們退伍軍人是17.35大概就一半跟其他新自備的天然氣公司我們其他的事業單位\n107645\t118887\t我差距有一段相當的距離我可不可以請教一下為什麼新章天然氣的輔導我們的退伍軍人就業特別低原因是什麼\n120231\t137140\t委員好 我是事業管理處組長嚴常在我先跟您回答這個問題事實上我們也非常重視這個問題因為我們整體的比例其實我們總共33%現在已經42%的安置率了但是新商公司經過我們3年的努力其實有成長那個成長在誤差值範圍內是是是\n141142\t156620\t但是我們會持續努力為什麼 為什麼要特別低 你剛才講到一點喔你們在協助我們的退伍的弟兄姊妹們就業其實是成長喔 30多%到40多%不錯喔那你的不錯 這個又特別低 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我是事業管理處組長嚴常在我先跟您回答這個問題事實上我們也非常重視這個問題因為我們整體的比例其實我們總共33%現在已經42%的安置率了但是新商公司經過我們3年的努力其實有成長那個成長在誤差值範圍內是是是\n但是我們會持續努力為什麼 為什麼要特別低 你剛才講到一點喔你們在協助我們的退伍的弟兄姊妹們就業其實是成長喔 30多%到40多%不錯喔那你的不錯 這個又特別低 那他的問題就特別突兀嘛\n李文宗副主委也在這邊答詢這個議題說到如果真的拉不上來開董事會他要親自帶隊去好問一下\n這一個家公司到底有什麼問題我們去拜訪朱和聲董事長其實他最主要的問題為什麼成長速度這麼慢是因為這三年來員工流動的比例實在是太少了像這三年來我們雖然只進步了5%5%而已只是占他們員工新進用的人數已經是絕大部分你想的理由是他的舊員工沒人走所以我就沒辦法安置新人進去那我如果查起來不是這樣子怎麼辦當然\n他們跟我回報的狀況是這個樣子是這個樣子你們有董事在裡面你們可以看他的業務報告人事機用你看得到怎麼他講就算數報告委員所以說為了改善這個狀況我們特別派了當地的彰化地區的榮福樹處長去擔任那個公司的董事我坦白講不要形塑好像新章\n我接受也尊重剛才我們馮主委講的我們對外交的失誤有時候講太細反而推不動\n那我們今年國際退伍軍人事務交流從原來的預算627萬5千元提升到1127萬6千元成長500萬1千元有成長那為什麼會有成長這500萬向委員報告最主要就是我們成長兩個部分第一個是機票那另外我們剛剛因為機票漲價機票漲價第二個就是國內接待的一些相關事務\n我想讓副主委去\n因為有些國家對於上將還當過部長的他們會有一點點你上將當過部長的現在有一個在當某一國的總統那一國名字我不好意思講出來因為我怕你們要去你懂我意思嗎其實你去對北約或者有另外一個層次的交流但是你指派副主委我想應該是李文忠副主委要去\n主動接觸然後他們邀請\n那你認為受阻的機會大不大大因為你今天我們都還沒問你在記者問的時候你已經講要去歐洲了嘛那歐洲的國家有退伍軍人協會的齁我坦白講也沒那麼多啦大概可以算一算算得出來啦齁如果中共阻撓導致不能成行我覺得中國把自己這個大國做小了退伍軍人的交流你去阻礙什麼全世界的退伍軍人都是朋友嘛\n王定宇\n歐洲型可能會有一些阻礙所以我就不問你什麼時候要去了好不好就不要談什麼時候要去我們希望去了之後是不是向本會提一個專報這應該沒問題會的好等你們回來好接下來我要就叫退府會的產訓合作專班一樣這個我先給你們肯定我一直在追這個數據你看2018年你們產訓專班參訓8人畢業7個\n我辦了一個專案只有8個參加7個退伍而且只能去客運公司上班當時我們就提出來說行業這麼多我們的訓練太少經過2018年到現在2023到2024你的人數其實是一直跳躍是成長我給你們肯定那行業別我過去最不喜歡也不能接受就是誰說退伍軍人只能當保全退伍軍人很多專業\n退伍軍人在軍中學的很多可以應用的所以你們到2022年開始應用在客運海運天然氣食品鋼鐵光電一直往下走這好事我現在只問一個問題你們這叫做產訓嘛所以2024年訓260人那產業就是說我要進到產業界他們的就業安排目前幾比幾\n那個勞動部的救福中心會算每一個訓練出來的人有3個工作叫1比3有1.2個工作叫1比1.2你訓練出來的人大概有多少就業機會\n稍微好好跟您報告就學界會處處長齊玉蘭而針對您剛所追尋的問題我們的這個補導會所推的產訓合作跟勞動部的方案是不一樣我們簡單來講我今天是這個跟了一個企業界已經找好了優質企業時間我簡單問你就是我先詢問找好的需求是找好的需求這邊虛工260我這邊就訓練260是你們是這樣作業的嗎\n不是這樣子,因為他們會提出一個職缺的數量,那我們去推薦有意願報名的,我們就是經過他面試以後,他也同意了我這個人數呢,他只要通過這個測驗,訓練合格,他一定要給我入局\n所以我把程序弄懂是你們變成要去拜訪公司行號是那我這邊需要5個員工分別需要光電機械類似這樣子那你們就錄取這樣的人數來進行訓練訓練考核合格他一定要禁用我們推薦人數會比較多讓他先去做面試對所以你應該會禁用比較多一點嘛大概幾比幾但是他的5\n呃就是比如說他職缺就是要5個那但是我會推薦比較多的一個數目讓他先去做面試面試他合格以後讓他去受訓你們現在媒合率達到百分之多少百分之一百百分之一百那他們聘用之後我們有沒有像過去給予每個月薪資補貼一萬\n就是我們促進穩定就業津貼是他可以領領一年嗎對領一年你們有沒有追蹤一年後還在任的剛才我好像聽主委有講在任的還達到百分之八十幾我們的統計是就是一滿一年以後他還在繼續留任的公司90.6390.63好這個我們繼續希望更精進讓我們的退伍軍人就業環境更好謝謝主委謝謝處長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.883 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