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00:00:08,392\n委員長今天先關心消防員的問題來我們看一下這個圖我們全國的消防機關原額統計及服務人口比大家看一下\n\n2\n00:00:20,277 --> 00:00:39,522\n內政部消防署本身預算原額512人現有原額489人預算缺額23人我們再來看六都六都臺北市政府預算缺額59人新北市政府232人桃園市136人臺中市118人臺南224人高雄市政府52人\n\n3\n00:00:48,644 --> 00:00:53,846\n普遍的預算缺額超過很多服務人口比,六都超過1比1300以上新北市政府1比1662台南市政府1比1581高雄市政府1比1756\n\n4\n00:01:18,934 --> 00:01:25,337\n我自己居住的新竹縣市新竹市是1比1467新竹縣市1比1366都超過非常的多這個服務比超過那麼多對照國外的國家我們鄰近的國家新加坡是1比925日本的東京是1比731\n\n5\n00:01:47,705 --> 00:01:49,427\n美國兩城市紐約1比519芝加哥1比547\n\n6\n00:01:56,502 --> 00:02:23,640\n所以我們看我們的消防人力的配置還有我們的服務人數一個消防員的服務的人數比都超過這個我們鄰近的不管新加坡還有日本東京那跟這個美國來比也是差距非常的大所以我們的消防員可以說是很辛苦的所以才會普遍造成說我們的消防人員工時超時工作的情形就很普遍所以我是想問那個那個人事長\n\n7\n00:02:27,903 --> 00:02:52,479\n針對這種人員編制我剛才是沒提到你原來的人這個編制的緣額現在跟你說預算緣額如果說是以實際的編制緣額來比較的話那差距更大啦所以我想這種狀態對於這種消防人員或者對我們一般民眾來講這麼大的一個一個消防人員要面對服務的人口這麼大的一個狀態\n\n8\n00:02:54,460 --> 00:03:13,321\n這不是好事,大家都很辛苦的,所以這種情況之下,我們未來要如何的把這個我們消防人員的不管是我們的員額的一個增加,還有服務人口比如何來降低,總長這邊你們有沒有什麼樣的一個政策?\n\n9\n00:03:15,532 --> 00:03:37,788\n謝謝委員這個議題那首先我要說明一下消防人力不足的問題現在主要是集中在地方剛才那個六都查很多六都查很多而且有一個消防人員他的言而不受地方行政機關組織準則其實地方政協主要的原因就是\n\n10\n00:03:42,012 --> 00:04:03,792\n課上了以後他要經過一到兩年的訓練所以我們最近在協助消防署去從他南投那裡有一個消防訓練中心去增加他的訓練量能當他的訓練量能多的時候有更多的消防員可以去那裡訓練可以快速的彌補像最近這五年\n\n11\n00:04:05,253 --> 00:04:24,263\n我提供給地方政府的他的增援已經到3100位的他們的目標在117年的時候人均服務比大概會從1比1300降到1比1100那這個過程中現在的瓶頸在哪裡瓶頸就是他的訓練的期間等靠進來的\n\n12\n00:04:29,446 --> 00:04:50,715\n上一年我們為了這個問題我們有去拜會幾個機關結果發現有一個問題考入期率不是很理想所以為了這件事情我們也去協商考試院在考科方面各方面是不是可以有精進的地方因為你如果要訓練的量能不足就對了\n\n13\n00:04:55,117 --> 00:04:58,039\n所以我剛才跟委員報告的我們就是從兩個路徑來嘛第一個讓入企率\n\n14\n00:05:24,699 --> 00:05:32,705\n市長今天時間的關係你詳細用書面來做答覆給我本席還有我們司法委員會的各位委員我問你一下你剛才說我們入企力不足這我也很好奇為什麼這樣去年我們四等消防警察員員需求人數多少你知道嗎\n\n15\n00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:57,432\n955人人員需求報上來是955人入企人數只有351人除除缺了604人去年為什麼入企人數不足而入企的比例會那麼大\n\n16\n00:06:23,274 --> 00:06:26,240\n專業科目平均沒有達到入企標準所以刷掉很多人\n\n17\n00:06:37,985 --> 00:07:00,196\n阿這個我們就是因為這件事情所以我們已經有去跟考選部反映這樣的情況因為他那個專業分數的門檻你沒過你就沒辦法錄處嘛這是第一關嘛你錄取了以後第二關就要到訓練中心嘛那訓練中心我們希望說如果每年都這樣因為這個專業科目考不過上一年這個問題比較嚴重是所以你未來你要怎麼跟考試員來溝通\n\n18\n00:07:07,352 --> 00:07:13,198\n你後面要怎麼規劃?因為我看到你們有講,對考試規則來做修正,對公務人員特種考試,一般警察人員的考試規則,你要做修正,你是往這個方向來做。\n\n19\n00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:30,776\n113年考試院規劃提報考試院主管機關審議納入未來在招訊部分持續擴大到1000名消防人員你如何跟考試院溝通?\n\n20\n00:07:49,042 --> 00:07:51,723\n專業科目一直卡在那邊因為考試很難講現在已經有跟考選部溝通過了大概有一個共識大概從考試端去處理專業科目的問題\n\n21\n00:08:10,484 --> 00:08:10,524\n主席\n\n22\n00:08:32,755 --> 00:08:37,876\n考選部已經有同意我們的一個建議方向他們現在會去做這個方面的努力甚至我跟委員報告我們也有提出來今年是不是結構一次\n\n23\n00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,001\n市長我想這個部分真的要加油啦齁\n\n24\n00:09:21,016 --> 00:09:25,520\n現在關於資安的問題我看你的報告有寫人事總處跟數位發展部合作辦理資安長的共事營現在各級政府單位目前總共設立了幾位資安長我們各級政府單位都會有資安長的設立\n\n25\n00:09:48,151 --> 00:10:00,200\n二級、三級機關每一個機關都會由副首長或主任秘書擔任治安長所以副首長跟主秘?主秘跟副首長他們有沒有治安的專才?\n\n26\n00:10:10,635 --> 00:10:26,104\n委員你這個問題說真的那是沒什麼可能大家都有治安的專財可是他就是他有一個專責的副首長他去主責整個機關的一個治安業務\n\n27\n00:10:27,503 --> 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今天先關心消防員的問題來我們看一下這個圖我們全國的消防機關原額統計及服務人口比大家看一下\n內政部消防署本身預算原額512人現有原額489人預算缺額23人我們再來看六都六都臺北市政府預算缺額59人新北市政府232人桃園市136人臺中市118人臺南224人高雄市政府52人\n普遍的預算缺額超過很多服務人口比,六都超過1比1300以上新北市政府1比1662台南市政府1比1581高雄市政府1比1756\n我自己居住的新竹縣市新竹市是1比1467新竹縣市1比1366都超過非常的多這個服務比超過那麼多對照國外的國家我們鄰近的國家新加坡是1比925日本的東京是1比731\n美國兩城市紐約1比519芝加哥1比547\n所以我們看我們的消防人力的配置還有我們的服務人數一個消防員的服務的人數比都超過這個我們鄰近的不管新加坡還有日本東京那跟這個美國來比也是差距非常的大所以我們的消防員可以說是很辛苦的所以才會普遍造成說我們的消防人員工時超時工作的情形就很普遍所以我是想問那個那個人事長\n針對這種人員編制我剛才是沒提到你原來的人這個編制的緣額現在跟你說預算緣額如果說是以實際的編制緣額來比較的話那差距更大啦所以我想這種狀態對於這種消防人員或者對我們一般民眾來講這麼大的一個一個消防人員要面對服務的人口這麼大的一個狀態\n這不是好事,大家都很辛苦的,所以這種情況之下,我們未來要如何的把這個我們消防人員的不管是我們的員額的一個增加,還有服務人口比如何來降低,總長這邊你們有沒有什麼樣的一個政策?\n謝謝委員這個議題那首先我要說明一下消防人力不足的問題現在主要是集中在地方剛才那個 六都查很多 六都查很多而且有一個消防人員他的言而不受地方行政機關組織準則其實地方政協主要的原因就是\n課上了以後他要經過一到兩年的訓練所以我們最近在協助消防署去從他南投那裡有一個消防訓練中心去增加他的訓練量能當他的訓練量能多的時候有更多的消防員可以去那裡訓練可以快速的彌補像最近這五年\n我提供給地方政府的他的增援已經到3100位的他們的目標在117年的時候人均服務比大概會從1比1300降到1比1100那這個過程中現在的瓶頸在哪裡瓶頸就是他的訓練的期間等靠進來的\n上一年我們為了這個問題我們有去拜會幾個機關結果發現有一個問題考入期率不是很理想所以為了這件事情我們也去協商考試院在考科方面各方面是不是可以有精進的地方因為你如果要訓練的量能不足就對了\n所以我剛才跟委員報告的我們就是從兩個路徑來嘛第一個讓入企率\n市長今天時間的關係你詳細用書面來做答覆給我本席還有我們司法委員會的各位委員我問你一下你剛才說我們入企力不足這我也很好奇為什麼這樣去年我們四等消防警察員員需求人數多少你知道嗎\n955人人員需求報上來是955人入企人數只有351人除除缺了604人去年為什麼入企人數不足而入企的比例會那麼大\n專業科目平均沒有達到入企標準所以刷掉很多人\n阿這個我們就是因為這件事情所以我們已經有去跟考選部反映這樣的情況因為他那個專業分數的門檻你沒過你就沒辦法錄處嘛這是第一關嘛你錄取了以後第二關就要到訓練中心嘛那訓練中心我們希望說如果每年都這樣因為這個專業科目考不過上一年這個問題比較嚴重是所以你未來你要怎麼跟考試員來溝通\n你後面要怎麼規劃?因為我看到你們有講,對考試規則來做修正,對公務人員特種考試,一般警察人員的考試規則,你要做修正,你是往這個方向來做。\n113年考試院規劃提報考試院主管機關審議納入未來在招訊部分持續擴大到1000名消防人員你如何跟考試院溝通?\n專業科目一直卡在那邊因為考試很難講現在已經有跟考選部溝通過了大概有一個共識大概從考試端去處理專業科目的問題\n主席\n考選部已經有同意我們的一個建議方向他們現在會去做這個方面的努力甚至我跟委員報告我們也有提出來今年是不是結構一次\n市長我想這個部分真的要加油啦齁\n現在關於資安的問題我看你的報告有寫人事總處跟數位發展部合作辦理資安長的共事營現在各級政府單位目前總共設立了幾位資安長我們各級政府單位都會有資安長的設立\n二級、三級機關每一個機關都會由副首長或主任秘書擔任治安長所以副首長跟主秘?主秘跟副首長他們有沒有治安的專才?\n委員你這個問題說真的那是沒什麼可能大家都有治安的專財可是他就是他有一個專責的副首長他去主責整個機關的一個治安業務\n他本身就沒有具有資訊或資安的專業可是他的同仁他的同仁有資安專業啊統籌管轄要怎麼領導他底下一定會有資安專業的同仁去協助他這我了解他本身不具有我現在要請教你這個問題就是我們一直好奇奇怪啊資安長不管怎麼樣也要有對資安是有一定的專業你現在就內部由我們的副首長祖密來兼任\n是否在體制上要做調整?是否未來你的資安長應該從民間企業或培訓一些對資安專業有能力的來擔任資安長比較適合?我覺得你應該做這種調整\n我跟委員報告最近政府有培養很多資安長可是都被民間尤其金融單位還有高科技公司都挖走挖走去當他們的資安長所以我們現在就希望說既然他的名稱叫資安長他本身對於我們的資訊安全這部分他要有一定相關的專業知識否則你那個外行領導內行你是要怎麼領導\n這問題是不是要改觀我答應委員我會把這個信息跟數位部來傳達因為資安現在資安最重要現在資安是我們現在政府單位最重要的一個職責現在網路攻擊無所不能無所不在所以我們政府的重要資料如何來加以保護這部分要加強了謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.149 --> 00:08.392\n委員長今天先關心消防員的問題來我們看一下這個圖我們全國的消防機關原額統計及服務人口比大家看一下\n\n00:20.277 --> 00:39.522\n內政部消防署本身預算原額512人現有原額489人預算缺額23人我們再來看六都六都臺北市政府預算缺額59人新北市政府232人桃園市136人臺中市118人臺南224人高雄市政府52人\n\n00:48.644 --> 00:53.846\n普遍的預算缺額超過很多服務人口比,六都超過1比1300以上新北市政府1比1662台南市政府1比1581高雄市政府1比1756\n\n01:18.934 --> 01:25.337\n我自己居住的新竹縣市新竹市是1比1467新竹縣市1比1366都超過非常的多這個服務比超過那麼多對照國外的國家我們鄰近的國家新加坡是1比925日本的東京是1比731\n\n01:47.705 --> 01:49.427\n美國兩城市紐約1比519芝加哥1比547\n\n01:56.502 --> 02:23.640\n所以我們看我們的消防人力的配置還有我們的服務人數一個消防員的服務的人數比都超過這個我們鄰近的不管新加坡還有日本東京那跟這個美國來比也是差距非常的大所以我們的消防員可以說是很辛苦的所以才會普遍造成說我們的消防人員工時超時工作的情形就很普遍所以我是想問那個那個人事長\n\n02:27.903 --> 02:52.479\n針對這種人員編制我剛才是沒提到你原來的人這個編制的緣額現在跟你說預算緣額如果說是以實際的編制緣額來比較的話那差距更大啦所以我想這種狀態對於這種消防人員或者對我們一般民眾來講這麼大的一個一個消防人員要面對服務的人口這麼大的一個狀態\n\n02:54.460 --> 03:13.321\n這不是好事,大家都很辛苦的,所以這種情況之下,我們未來要如何的把這個我們消防人員的不管是我們的員額的一個增加,還有服務人口比如何來降低,總長這邊你們有沒有什麼樣的一個政策?\n\n03:15.532 --> 03:37.788\n謝謝委員這個議題那首先我要說明一下消防人力不足的問題現在主要是集中在地方剛才那個六都查很多六都查很多而且有一個消防人員他的言而不受地方行政機關組織準則其實地方政協主要的原因就是\n\n03:42.012 --> 04:03.792\n課上了以後他要經過一到兩年的訓練所以我們最近在協助消防署去從他南投那裡有一個消防訓練中心去增加他的訓練量能當他的訓練量能多的時候有更多的消防員可以去那裡訓練可以快速的彌補像最近這五年\n\n04:05.253 --> 04:24.263\n我提供給地方政府的他的增援已經到3100位的他們的目標在117年的時候人均服務比大概會從1比1300降到1比1100那這個過程中現在的瓶頸在哪裡瓶頸就是他的訓練的期間等靠進來的\n\n04:29.446 --> 04:50.715\n上一年我們為了這個問題我們有去拜會幾個機關結果發現有一個問題考入期率不是很理想所以為了這件事情我們也去協商考試院在考科方面各方面是不是可以有精進的地方因為你如果要訓練的量能不足就對了\n\n04:55.117 --> 04:58.039\n所以我剛才跟委員報告的我們就是從兩個路徑來嘛第一個讓入企率\n\n05:24.699 --> 05:32.705\n市長今天時間的關係你詳細用書面來做答覆給我本席還有我們司法委員會的各位委員我問你一下你剛才說我們入企力不足這我也很好奇為什麼這樣去年我們四等消防警察員員需求人數多少你知道嗎\n\n05:51.670 --> 05:57.432\n955人人員需求報上來是955人入企人數只有351人除除缺了604人去年為什麼入企人數不足而入企的比例會那麼大\n\n06:23.274 --> 06:26.240\n專業科目平均沒有達到入企標準所以刷掉很多人\n\n06:37.985 --> 07:00.196\n阿這個我們就是因為這件事情所以我們已經有去跟考選部反映這樣的情況因為他那個專業分數的門檻你沒過你就沒辦法錄處嘛這是第一關嘛你錄取了以後第二關就要到訓練中心嘛那訓練中心我們希望說如果每年都這樣因為這個專業科目考不過上一年這個問題比較嚴重是所以你未來你要怎麼跟考試員來溝通\n\n07:07.352 --> 07:13.198\n你後面要怎麼規劃?因為我看到你們有講,對考試規則來做修正,對公務人員特種考試,一般警察人員的考試規則,你要做修正,你是往這個方向來做。\n\n07:24.730 --> 07:30.776\n113年考試院規劃提報考試院主管機關審議納入未來在招訊部分持續擴大到1000名消防人員你如何跟考試院溝通?\n\n07:49.042 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今天先關心消防員的問題來我們看一下這個圖我們全國的消防機關原額統計及服務人口比大家看一下"},{"start":20.277,"end":39.522,"text":"內政部消防署本身預算原額512人現有原額489人預算缺額23人我們再來看六都六都臺北市政府預算缺額59人新北市政府232人桃園市136人臺中市118人臺南224人高雄市政府52人"},{"start":48.644,"end":53.846,"text":"普遍的預算缺額超過很多服務人口比,六都超過1比1300以上新北市政府1比1662台南市政府1比1581高雄市政府1比1756"},{"start":78.934,"end":85.337,"text":"我自己居住的新竹縣市新竹市是1比1467新竹縣市1比1366都超過非常的多這個服務比超過那麼多對照國外的國家我們鄰近的國家新加坡是1比925日本的東京是1比731"},{"start":107.705,"end":109.427,"text":"美國兩城市紐約1比519芝加哥1比547"},{"start":116.502,"end":143.64,"text":"所以我們看我們的消防人力的配置還有我們的服務人數一個消防員的服務的人數比都超過這個我們鄰近的不管新加坡還有日本東京那跟這個美國來比也是差距非常的大所以我們的消防員可以說是很辛苦的所以才會普遍造成說我們的消防人員工時超時工作的情形就很普遍所以我是想問那個那個人事長"},{"start":147.903,"end":172.479,"text":"針對這種人員編制我剛才是沒提到你原來的人這個編制的緣額現在跟你說預算緣額如果說是以實際的編制緣額來比較的話那差距更大啦所以我想這種狀態對於這種消防人員或者對我們一般民眾來講這麼大的一個一個消防人員要面對服務的人口這麼大的一個狀態"},{"start":174.46,"end":193.321,"text":"這不是好事,大家都很辛苦的,所以這種情況之下,我們未來要如何的把這個我們消防人員的不管是我們的員額的一個增加,還有服務人口比如何來降低,總長這邊你們有沒有什麼樣的一個政策?"},{"start":195.532,"end":217.788,"text":"謝謝委員這個議題那首先我要說明一下消防人力不足的問題現在主要是集中在地方剛才那個 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六都查很多而且有一個消防人員他的言而不受地方行政機關組織準則其實地方政協主要的原因就是"},{"start":222.012,"end":243.792,"text":"課上了以後他要經過一到兩年的訓練所以我們最近在協助消防署去從他南投那裡有一個消防訓練中心去增加他的訓練量能當他的訓練量能多的時候有更多的消防員可以去那裡訓練可以快速的彌補像最近這五年"},{"start":245.253,"end":264.263,"text":"我提供給地方政府的他的增援已經到3100位的他們的目標在117年的時候人均服務比大概會從1比1300降到1比1100那這個過程中現在的瓶頸在哪裡瓶頸就是他的訓練的期間等靠進來的"},{"start":269.446,"end":290.715,"text":"上一年我們為了這個問題我們有去拜會幾個機關結果發現有一個問題考入期率不是很理想所以為了這件事情我們也去協商考試院在考科方面各方面是不是可以有精進的地方因為你如果要訓練的量能不足就對了"},{"start":295.117,"end":298.039,"text":"所以我剛才跟委員報告的我們就是從兩個路徑來嘛第一個讓入企率"},{"start":324.699,"end":332.705,"text":"市長今天時間的關係你詳細用書面來做答覆給我本席還有我們司法委員會的各位委員我問你一下你剛才說我們入企力不足這我也很好奇為什麼這樣去年我們四等消防警察員員需求人數多少你知道嗎"},{"start":351.67,"end":357.432,"text":"955人人員需求報上來是955人入企人數只有351人除除缺了604人去年為什麼入企人數不足而入企的比例會那麼大"},{"start":383.274,"end":386.24,"text":"專業科目平均沒有達到入企標準所以刷掉很多人"},{"start":397.985,"end":420.196,"text":"阿這個我們就是因為這件事情所以我們已經有去跟考選部反映這樣的情況因為他那個專業分數的門檻你沒過你就沒辦法錄處嘛這是第一關嘛你錄取了以後第二關就要到訓練中心嘛那訓練中心我們希望說如果每年都這樣因為這個專業科目考不過上一年這個問題比較嚴重是所以你未來你要怎麼跟考試員來溝通"},{"start":427.352,"end":433.198,"text":"你後面要怎麼規劃?因為我看到你們有講,對考試規則來做修正,對公務人員特種考試,一般警察人員的考試規則,你要做修正,你是往這個方向來做。"},{"start":444.73,"end":450.776,"text":"113年考試院規劃提報考試院主管機關審議納入未來在招訊部分持續擴大到1000名消防人員你如何跟考試院溝通?"},{"start":469.042,"end":471.723,"text":"專業科目一直卡在那邊因為考試很難講現在已經有跟考選部溝通過了大概有一個共識大概從考試端去處理專業科目的問題"},{"start":490.484,"end":490.524,"text":"主席"},{"start":512.755,"end":517.876,"text":"考選部已經有同意我們的一個建議方向他們現在會去做這個方面的努力甚至我跟委員報告我們也有提出來今年是不是結構一次"},{"start":534.44,"end":536.001,"text":"市長我想這個部分真的要加油啦齁"},{"start":561.016,"end":565.52,"text":"現在關於資安的問題我看你的報告有寫人事總處跟數位發展部合作辦理資安長的共事營現在各級政府單位目前總共設立了幾位資安長我們各級政府單位都會有資安長的設立"},{"start":588.151,"end":600.2,"text":"二級、三級機關每一個機關都會由副首長或主任秘書擔任治安長所以副首長跟主秘?主秘跟副首長他們有沒有治安的專才?"},{"start":610.635,"end":626.104,"text":"委員你這個問題說真的那是沒什麼可能大家都有治安的專財可是他就是他有一個專責的副首長他去主責整個機關的一個治安業務"},{"start":627.503,"end":656.792,"text":"他本身就沒有具有資訊或資安的專業可是他的同仁他的同仁有資安專業啊統籌管轄要怎麼領導他底下一定會有資安專業的同仁去協助他這我了解他本身不具有我現在要請教你這個問題就是我們一直好奇奇怪啊資安長不管怎麼樣也要有對資安是有一定的專業你現在就內部由我們的副首長祖密來兼任"},{"start":658.123,"end":666.251,"text":"是否在體制上要做調整?是否未來你的資安長應該從民間企業或培訓一些對資安專業有能力的來擔任資安長比較適合?我覺得你應該做這種調整"},{"start":678.923,"end":703.369,"text":"我跟委員報告最近政府有培養很多資安長可是都被民間尤其金融單位還有高科技公司都挖走挖走去當他們的資安長所以我們現在就希望說既然他的名稱叫資安長他本身對於我們的資訊安全這部分他要有一定相關的專業知識否則你那個外行領導內行你是要怎麼領導"},{"start":707.143,"end":732.48,"text":"這問題是不是要改觀我答應委員我會把這個信息跟數位部來傳達因為資安現在資安最重要現在資安是我們現在政府單位最重要的一個職責現在網路攻擊無所不能無所不在所以我們政府的重要資料如何來加以保護這部分要加強了謝謝"}]}}}}