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00:02:19,512\n那他的孩子如果說有需要我們去做協助的我們也會透過三節的相關的一些慰問來給他們做一些這個協助那委員放心只要是我們服務的對象我們一定都會把他照顧好謝謝委員\n\n8\n00:02:21,013 --> 00:02:45,512\n那如果用65歲作為農民的一個分界點的話65歲以上大概有4萬5千人65歲以下的是有16萬8千多位那65歲以下以現在我們國民的這種健康狀態來說的話其實是壯年那甚至有一些是青年有些年紀還比我輕那這個部分你們有落實輔導他們的就業需求嗎\n\n9\n00:02:51,673 --> 00:02:57,314\n委員好我是就學就業處處長池玉來跟您報告65歲以下就是我們的勞動人口所以我們在有16萬多裡面有9萬6千多他是有業就不需要暫時不需要我來輔導6萬多人是無業的我們優先要針對他這個無業的部分如果他有就業的需求其實我們有很多的作為第一個我們就是我們會他如果要工作\n\n10\n00:03:16,658 --> 00:03:22,321\n我們在他服役要準備離營的時候其實我們就會有一個借退官兵權益說明會的時候現場我就有一些就業廠商就可以做就業媒合那第二個他如果說退伍了新退15天以內其實我就會去做訪視確認他到底要就學執訓就業因為他們的年齡非常的年輕第一類的官兵也平均只有43歲第二類也只有26歲\n\n11\n00:03:42,432 --> 00:03:44,033\n陳冠廷委員我們是不是讓馮主委下來一下換那個因為他現在沒聲音啊讓他下來一下讓我們讓那個哪一位\n\n12\n00:04:10,754 --> 00:04:11,676\n李文宗副主委請上\n\n13\n00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,682\n我們剛剛講就是讓他有一個知道他比較適合去從業的方向然後我們輔導他去上工就是就業就業的時候我們還會給他促進穩定就業的津貼給他一年的補助讓他適應這個職場穩定的就業那就業以後如果他有創業的需求其實我們會給他創業貸款的利息補貼這些的作為其實這一年我們每一年都會輔導一萬多人\n\n14\n00:04:49,051 --> 00:04:49,071\n老榮銘\n\n15\n00:05:04,255 --> 00:05:31,701\n但是其實在我們的服務處裡面我們大概也是僱用農民非常多的一個地方那很多都比我還年輕那都是校級軍官退役所以說這一些農民或者是說有些是第二類退役的官兵那他們的能力跟他們的這個年齡其實都是還非常年少的所以在這樣的狀況之下我想要知道說這一些退役的這些軍官你們有沒有辦法提升輔導就業比例是結合過去的專業背景\n\n16\n00:05:33,061 --> 00:05:51,638\n因為我們現在看到包含輔導的就業的這些方案等等其實很少我們有看到直接跟他們過去所屬的能力有關有些有工程背景有些有通信有些甚至是已經念到博士對於這個政策上面也非常的熟悉我想知道你們這方面是怎麼樣處置是\n\n17\n00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:59,064\n我跟委員報告我們從前年開始其實針對在軍中有專技的就是您剛講的化工通這些有專業背景的人我們就是做一個專技的那個就業媒合也就是說他在退伍之前\n\n18\n00:06:09,012 --> 00:06:28,781\n大概退伍3個月他已經打報告準備要退伍我就會去找相關的化工通他在軍中的專長的人廠商一起來做求職求財的就業媒合那第一場試的一個媒合其實成效出媒率非常好高達90%那在去年我們在中南部也是做專業技術的一個就業媒合今年我們北中南還要再辦理專業技術的一個就業媒合活動\n\n19\n00:06:34,844 --> 00:06:53,257\n我們是希望說在軍中學習到的東西特別是跟科技技能相關的他能夠有機會進入這個民營機構其實我看到很多我們的軍官那曾經特別我有些在海軍服役的一些同事們那他們是在過去其實還有送我出國留學\n\n20\n00:06:53,777 --> 00:06:53,877\n﹚陳冠廷\n\n21\n00:07:11,289 --> 00:07:38,199\n委員我能不能給你做一點補充我給你幾個數字第一在這8年來我們在8年前大概我們一年推介榮民含二類那就會大概是將近6000人現在都是超過1萬多人這第一個數字那我再對照一個數字現在一年部隊退下來多少人大概是1萬6000人那我們一年推介是超過1萬人這是第一個\n\n22\n00:07:38,999 --> 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