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--> 00:02:37,449\n那再來其實仁次我也有去查去年其實因為在中國團客跟自由行都沒有辦法來台灣的情況下只有22萬人來到台灣那這包括可能是第三地的商務的就其實林林總總也就22萬人那台灣去中國因為自由行都還有開放所以大概有176萬人整整差了8倍\n\n8\n00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:48,975\n那這其實從政策到產值到人次很明顯就是一個非常不對等的狀態請問以上的數字有說錯嗎根據交通部的統計這是確實是這樣子沒有錯好那再來我要講一下這個對等不只是說這從政策產值到人次其實我要講\n\n9\n00:03:02,063 --> 00:03:18,293\n過去都一直以來都是中國在對台灣進行片面的改變現狀為什麼其實剛剛前面有委員提到說為什麼馬政府時期OK然後到了民進黨執政時期不OK很明確啊因為他們就國台辦就講啦他們說有九二共識才要開放\n\n10\n00:03:23,325 --> 00:03:42,034\n他們很明顯就是要以商逼政嘛這其實國台辦從頭到尾都沒有在掩飾他的政治意圖以政治來進行商業的干預那其實過去從馬政府時期到蔡政府時期其實當蔡政府一上任的時候這個人\n\n11\n00:03:43,274 --> 00:04:12,294\n中國來臺的旅客就有非常明顯的落差是418萬人最後只剩下351萬人他們其實就很明確講了你民進黨執政我就是要用人數來臺的人數來干預你的執政的這個影響那這是第一個那到了2019年7月的時候國台辦也禁止中國的自由行來臺當時國台辦是怎麼說的他說有九二共識才有自由行\n\n12\n00:04:13,575 --> 00:04:15,177\n昨年12月其實中國已經開放138個國家的團客跟自由行到世界各國但是獨落台灣\n\n13\n00:04:33,768 --> 00:04:58,322\n從頭到尾就是沒有要讓台灣跟我們對等的交流啦所以從頭到尾就是在欺負台灣嘛那再來甚至是到了今年1月非常更嚴重的事情就是他們篡改M03的航路那剛剛主委這部分我也希望你再明確的表達一下為什麼這個會嚴重影響飛安甚至是不是有模糊海峽中線的意圖\n\n14\n00:05:01,681 --> 00:05:15,481\n確實我想國際社會也都對於中國擅自更改503這樣的一個路線發出說這是在片面改變現狀而且會影響到整個區域的國際飛航的安全因為它就是一條國際航道\n\n15\n00:05:17,771 --> 00:05:45,832\n所以這其實是值得大家關注的事情善改M503航路這件事情是中國一直在片面的對台灣改變我們兩岸的現狀那最後當然他們還加碼就是不只沒有善意以上聽起來林林總總對台灣已經很沒有善意了還非常惡意的加碼1月的諾魯斷交嘛然後跟我們搶邦交國嘛那以上這些林林總總的事情那國台辦還片面的說我方的做法不得人心\n\n16\n00:05:46,213 --> 00:05:48,780\n但從頭到尾沒有溝通誠意的是不是就是中國?\n\n17\n00:05:51,135 --> 00:06:16,201\n我想我先問啦以上這些他們在進行這個測試的時候請問中國有來跟台灣溝通過嗎?我們如果會有接到任何消息嗎?當然不可能啦沒有嗎?完全沒有嗎?這個對等的溝通在哪裡嗎?那我想問一下這一次我們在這個在釋出說我們很願意開放團課的這個前提用對等的前提其實我們釋出非常大的善意是嗎?對,沒有錯那請問中方給了什麼回應?\n\n18\n00:06:19,002 --> 00:06:30,730\n基本上是以讀不回還是未讀未回根本就不理我們對嗎初期他們是認為這個現階段不談這個議題但是也沒有所謂明確的否決但是隨著台灣選舉的這個基調上面他們的這個說法上就越來越朝向負面好我就問一個很明確的如果當中方給了什麼樣的回應我們就可以對等的來開放那可以開放什麼可不可以請\n\n19\n00:06:46,638 --> 00:07:13,435\n主委這邊給一下一個明確的指令就是說當中方答應說他們開放團客跟自由行來台灣我們就可以對等的開放是這樣對嗎對基本上我們還是會按照過去的經驗上從彼此的人數上為什麼我們一開始所謂的設定這個每日2000人的這樣的一個計算基準倒不是說限定每日一定2000人而是一段時間的總數那是在算總數\n\n20\n00:07:15,856 --> 00:07:32,611\n因為2019年他就是調控到他可以調控到從本來團客幾百萬人次調控到只剩下85萬人次所以中國在對台灣的觀光旅遊也不斷的隨著台灣政情的發展變化他有控制他的人數\n\n21\n00:07:34,261 --> 00:07:53,757\n好那我也希望說我們就維持這個原則那繼續的釋出善意當然我不希望說我們的善意是真心換絕情好心被雷清啦這個一定要秉持住這個基本的原則那最後我還是要問一下說因為大家還是說這次有許多的旅遊業者可能因為我們釋出的資訊不夠明確\n\n22\n00:07:54,818 --> 00:07:54,918\n副署長\n\n23\n00:08:13,251 --> 00:08:16,312\n好,我先把明確的問題因為你們確實還是在這個釋出的訊息上或許有一點落差讓旅遊業者覺得說已經可以去組團了所以確實我們還是在3到5月有一個緩衝讓他們盡量在這段時間本來已經組好的還是可以赴陸旅遊,對嗎?赴中旅遊\n\n24\n00:08:34,750 --> 00:09:03,719\n是的那我還是希望說已經發覺有些旅行社開始攬客嘛所以就基本上3月1號到5月31號這三個月降低他們已經組團這個損失了那可不可以請市長明確的說明說我們在這段時間會如何協助業者跟稍微受到影響的這些旅客的權益我們祭出什麼樣的措施來協助他們因為讓國人安心還是最重要的\n\n25\n00:09:04,175 --> 00:09:07,017\n在釋出訊息的時候,一定也要跟業者有一個明確的溝通,讓他們知道我們的政策是什麼,並且確保所有旅客的權益。\n\n26\n00:09:27,631 --> 00:09:45,503\n那最後還是要小小的提醒,畢竟現在附中的風險漸漸提升,然後確實也有這個所謂的反間諜法,我還是希望我們在所有的權益跟風險上都要明確的讓業者以及所有的旅客知道,好嗎?是,謝謝委員提醒,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,謝謝黃捷委員的質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝次長,\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n309\t24841\t請立委會主委請邱主委好 主委首先晚上請教一下因為大家都在說這個我們兩岸交流以及這個觀光應該要在對等的基礎之上那這個對等到底指的是什麼基本的原則是什麼我想對等呢 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主委首先晚上請教一下因為大家都在說這個我們兩岸交流以及這個觀光應該要在對等的基礎之上那這個對等到底指的是什麼基本的原則是什麼我想對等呢 好有問題啦就是說大家在政策上如何\n為什麼這樣沒有不對等?\n其實剛剛主委就已經回答了嘛對等的基礎就是兩邊都是同樣是完全開放的狀態就不會有這個問題嘛所以為什麼我們跟中國之間會很常被說沒有對等因為其實我從剛剛整個報告聽下來我整理了一下目前其實中國到台灣的政策是團客跟自由行完全不行對嗎是的而且他已經開放了138個國家團客可以去就是沒有台灣\n沒錯,那我們台灣去中國是自由行都一直都是可以的,對嗎?對。沒錯,所以其實台灣到中國到現在都還可以自由行,我們買一張機票就可以過去,這個是政策上很明顯的一個不對的,對嗎?\n這是必然的嘛\n沒有錯 所以是直接歸零嘛代表說我們台灣的業者的損失不只是旅遊業相關的餐飲業相關的娛樂業全部的損失就是這麼多739億這是很明顯一個不對等的情況對嗎對\n那再來其實仁次我也有去查 去年其實因為在中國團客跟自由行都沒有辦法來台灣的情況下只有22萬人來到台灣 那這包括可能是第三地的商務的就其實林林總總也就22萬人 那台灣去中國因為自由行都還有開放所以大概有176萬人 整整差了8倍\n那這其實從政策到產值到人次很明顯就是一個非常不對等的狀態請問以上的數字有說錯嗎根據交通部的統計這是確實是這樣子沒有錯好那再來我要講一下這個對等不只是說這從政策產值到人次其實我要講\n過去都一直以來都是中國在對台灣進行片面的改變現狀為什麼其實剛剛前面有委員提到說為什麼馬政府時期OK然後到了民進黨執政時期不OK很明確啊因為他們就國台辦就講啦他們說有九二共識才要開放\n他們很明顯就是要以商逼政嘛這其實國台辦從頭到尾都沒有在掩飾他的政治意圖以政治來進行商業的干預那其實過去從馬政府時期到蔡政府時期其實當蔡政府一上任的時候這個人\n中國來臺的旅客就有非常明顯的落差是418萬人最後只剩下351萬人他們其實就很明確講了你民進黨執政我就是要用人數來臺的人數來干預你的執政的這個影響那這是第一個那到了2019年7月的時候國台辦也禁止中國的自由行來臺當時國台辦是怎麼說的他說有九二共識才有自由行\n昨年12月其實中國已經開放138個國家的團客跟自由行到世界各國但是獨落台灣\n從頭到尾就是沒有要讓台灣跟我們對等的交流啦所以從頭到尾就是在欺負台灣嘛那再來甚至是到了今年1月非常更嚴重的事情就是他們篡改M03的航路那剛剛主委這部分我也希望你再明確的表達一下為什麼這個會嚴重影響飛安甚至是不是有模糊海峽中線的意圖\n確實我想國際社會也都對於中國擅自更改503這樣的一個路線發出說這是在片面改變現狀而且會影響到整個區域的國際飛航的安全因為它就是一條國際航道\n所以這其實是值得大家關注的事情善改M503航路這件事情是中國一直在片面的對台灣改變我們兩岸的現狀那最後當然他們還加碼就是不只沒有善意以上聽起來林林總總對台灣已經很沒有善意了還非常惡意的加碼1月的諾魯斷交嘛然後跟我們搶邦交國嘛那以上這些林林總總的事情那國台辦還片面的說我方的做法不得人心\n但從頭到尾沒有溝通誠意的是不是就是中國?\n我想我先問啦以上這些他們在進行這個測試的時候請問中國有來跟台灣溝通過嗎?我們如果會有接到任何消息嗎?當然不可能啦沒有嗎?完全沒有嗎?這個對等的溝通在哪裡嗎?那我想問一下這一次我們在這個在釋出說我們很願意開放團課的這個前提用對等的前提其實我們釋出非常大的善意是嗎?對,沒有錯那請問中方給了什麼回應?\n基本上是以讀不回還是未讀未回根本就不理我們對嗎初期他們是認為這個現階段不談這個議題但是也沒有所謂明確的否決但是隨著台灣選舉的這個基調上面他們的這個說法上就越來越朝向負面好我就問一個很明確的如果當中方給了什麼樣的回應我們就可以對等的來開放那可以開放什麼可不可以請\n主委這邊給一下一個明確的指令就是說當中方答應說他們開放團客跟自由行來台灣我們就可以對等的開放是這樣對嗎對基本上我們還是會按照過去的經驗上從彼此的人數上為什麼我們一開始所謂的設定這個每日2000人的這樣的一個計算基準倒不是說限定每日一定2000人而是一段時間的總數那是在算總數\n因為2019年他就是調控到他可以調控到從本來團客幾百萬人次調控到只剩下85萬人次所以中國在對台灣的觀光旅遊也不斷的隨著台灣政情的發展變化他有控制他的人數\n好那我也希望說我們就維持這個原則那繼續的釋出善意當然我不希望說我們的善意是真心換絕情好心被雷清啦這個一定要秉持住這個基本的原則那最後我還是要問一下說因為大家還是說這次有許多的旅遊業者可能因為我們釋出的資訊不夠明確\n副署長\n好,我先把明確的問題因為你們確實還是在這個釋出的訊息上或許有一點落差讓旅遊業者覺得說已經可以去組團了所以確實我們還是在3到5月有一個緩衝讓他們盡量在這段時間本來已經組好的還是可以赴陸旅遊,對嗎?赴中旅遊\n是的那我還是希望說已經發覺有些旅行社開始攬客嘛所以就基本上3月1號到5月31號這三個月降低他們已經組團這個損失了那可不可以請市長明確的說明說我們在這段時間會如何協助業者跟稍微受到影響的這些旅客的權益我們祭出什麼樣的措施來協助他們因為讓國人安心還是最重要的\n在釋出訊息的時候,一定也要跟業者有一個明確的溝通,讓他們知道我們的政策是什麼,並且確保所有旅客的權益。\n那最後還是要小小的提醒,畢竟現在附中的風險漸漸提升,然後確實也有這個所謂的反間諜法,我還是希望我們在所有的權益跟風險上都要明確的讓業者以及所有的旅客知道,好嗎?是,謝謝委員提醒,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,謝謝黃捷委員的質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝次長,\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:24.841\n請立委會主委請邱主委好主委首先晚上請教一下因為大家都在說這個我們兩岸交流以及這個觀光應該要在對等的基礎之上那這個對等到底指的是什麼基本的原則是什麼我想對等呢好有問題啦就是說大家在政策上如何\n\n00:25.441 --> 00:25.561\n為什麼這樣沒有不對等?\n\n00:52.430 --> 01:16.224\n其實剛剛主委就已經回答了嘛對等的基礎就是兩邊都是同樣是完全開放的狀態就不會有這個問題嘛所以為什麼我們跟中國之間會很常被說沒有對等因為其實我從剛剛整個報告聽下來我整理了一下目前其實中國到台灣的政策是團客跟自由行完全不行對嗎是的而且他已經開放了138個國家團客可以去就是沒有台灣\n\n01:20.106 --> 01:34.668\n沒錯,那我們台灣去中國是自由行都一直都是可以的,對嗎?對。沒錯,所以其實台灣到中國到現在都還可以自由行,我們買一張機票就可以過去,這個是政策上很明顯的一個不對的,對嗎?\n\n01:36.150 --> 01:36.510\n這是必然的嘛\n\n02:02.861 --> 02:10.151\n沒有錯所以是直接歸零嘛代表說我們台灣的業者的損失不只是旅遊業相關的餐飲業相關的娛樂業全部的損失就是這麼多739億這是很明顯一個不對等的情況對嗎對\n\n02:18.403 --> 02:37.449\n那再來其實仁次我也有去查去年其實因為在中國團客跟自由行都沒有辦法來台灣的情況下只有22萬人來到台灣那這包括可能是第三地的商務的就其實林林總總也就22萬人那台灣去中國因為自由行都還有開放所以大概有176萬人整整差了8倍\n\n02:40.530 --> 02:48.975\n那這其實從政策到產值到人次很明顯就是一個非常不對等的狀態請問以上的數字有說錯嗎根據交通部的統計這是確實是這樣子沒有錯好那再來我要講一下這個對等不只是說這從政策產值到人次其實我要講\n\n03:02.063 --> 03:18.293\n過去都一直以來都是中國在對台灣進行片面的改變現狀為什麼其實剛剛前面有委員提到說為什麼馬政府時期OK然後到了民進黨執政時期不OK很明確啊因為他們就國台辦就講啦他們說有九二共識才要開放\n\n03:23.325 --> 03:42.034\n他們很明顯就是要以商逼政嘛這其實國台辦從頭到尾都沒有在掩飾他的政治意圖以政治來進行商業的干預那其實過去從馬政府時期到蔡政府時期其實當蔡政府一上任的時候這個人\n\n03:43.274 --> 04:12.294\n中國來臺的旅客就有非常明顯的落差是418萬人最後只剩下351萬人他們其實就很明確講了你民進黨執政我就是要用人數來臺的人數來干預你的執政的這個影響那這是第一個那到了2019年7月的時候國台辦也禁止中國的自由行來臺當時國台辦是怎麼說的他說有九二共識才有自由行\n\n04:13.575 --> 04:15.177\n昨年12月其實中國已經開放138個國家的團客跟自由行到世界各國但是獨落台灣\n\n04:33.768 --> 04:58.322\n從頭到尾就是沒有要讓台灣跟我們對等的交流啦所以從頭到尾就是在欺負台灣嘛那再來甚至是到了今年1月非常更嚴重的事情就是他們篡改M03的航路那剛剛主委這部分我也希望你再明確的表達一下為什麼這個會嚴重影響飛安甚至是不是有模糊海峽中線的意圖\n\n05:01.681 --> 05:15.481\n確實我想國際社會也都對於中國擅自更改503這樣的一個路線發出說這是在片面改變現狀而且會影響到整個區域的國際飛航的安全因為它就是一條國際航道\n\n05:17.771 --> 05:45.832\n所以這其實是值得大家關注的事情善改M503航路這件事情是中國一直在片面的對台灣改變我們兩岸的現狀那最後當然他們還加碼就是不只沒有善意以上聽起來林林總總對台灣已經很沒有善意了還非常惡意的加碼1月的諾魯斷交嘛然後跟我們搶邦交國嘛那以上這些林林總總的事情那國台辦還片面的說我方的做法不得人心\n\n05:46.213 --> 05:48.780\n但從頭到尾沒有溝通誠意的是不是就是中國?\n\n05:51.135 --> 06:16.201\n我想我先問啦以上這些他們在進行這個測試的時候請問中國有來跟台灣溝通過嗎?我們如果會有接到任何消息嗎?當然不可能啦沒有嗎?完全沒有嗎?這個對等的溝通在哪裡嗎?那我想問一下這一次我們在這個在釋出說我們很願意開放團課的這個前提用對等的前提其實我們釋出非常大的善意是嗎?對,沒有錯那請問中方給了什麼回應?\n\n06:19.002 --> 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