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00:02:13,170\n中國想要利用觀光客來作為他們的籌碼但是當然我們採取對等的方式我們在8月的時候我們就提出這個團客其實也不是我們提出啦我們跟我們的旅行業者來討論這個經過新冠疫情之後8月是不是可以要旅行業者大家來討論\n\n7\n00:02:15,138 --> 00:02:41,145\n團客可以開始來進行籌劃但是這個旅行業者就開始在籌劃的過程裡面消息出去嘛但是這個過程裡面還包含中國片面的時不時的用我們的農產品又驗出什麼樣不合中國標準的那在包含這個M503的這個航線他要片面的做改變所以我們不能只有\n\n8\n00:02:42,265 --> 00:03:00,004\n交通部我們不能只有觀光署這邊片面的來去決定說我們的團客開始要過去陸委會行政院必須要做相關的調控整體的考量來決定我們是不是對等的團客過去對方對等也可以團客過來\n\n9\n00:03:01,445 --> 00:03:01,785\n李柏毅\n\n10\n00:03:23,413 --> 00:03:36,645\n我們經過今天這個專案報告之後我們又開始好我們的結論就是說我們要有善意我們先來提出我們的團課6月之後又可以開始籌辦了\n\n11\n00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:38,690\n主委請你回應\n\n12\n00:03:57,153 --> 00:04:00,017\n除了剛剛委員所提到的事實上去年8月我們當然宣布對等開放之後我們也很希望他們能夠希望我們期待嘛期待到過年前所以他們有說要組彩線團到台灣來有來嘛\n\n13\n00:04:13,236 --> 00:04:30,865\n我們也幫他們安排希望說他們這些人回去也能夠跟他們的政府提出說確實應該也讓入客到台灣來但是沒有想到這個中間過程就是起起伏伏又涉及到台灣的一些政治的選舉等等所以才會造成對岸很多的考量\n\n14\n00:04:36,408 --> 00:05:00,295\n那很多人考量重點是在於說對我們實在是不公平因為他不斷的宣布他要開放到他們的團客可以到其他國家去包括港澳結果就是沒有台灣那這個對我們來講坦白講我們是難以接受啦不對等就已經很糟糕了又不公平那我想這也是應該是國人難以接受的那我們也很熱情的歡迎他們的採線團先到台灣再來勘察如何安排入客到台灣來旅遊啦\n\n15\n00:05:04,076 --> 00:05:20,610\n所以我想交通部也都很認真的期待這個能夠促成但是沒有想到我們後來看到的變化其實是越來越不友善謝謝主委你先請稍等一下我請交通部那個林次長我想請問一下對岸的這個對等的機關你認為對岸對等對於旅遊的這個機關\n\n16\n00:05:26,215 --> 00:05:37,121\n他們要開放入客團客來台灣的這個他們的旅行機關是他們的對等的這個行政機關是什麼就你所知\n\n17\n00:05:39,233 --> 00:05:50,777\n跟委員報告,雖然是文旅部,但事實上是不是文旅部?是國台辦嗎?所以國台辦沒有同意,那國台辦要請教國台辦的主任,再請教國台辦要問他們的主席,對不對?\n\n18\n00:05:57,919 --> 00:06:13,926\n所以這個層次的問題真的不是交通部也不是觀光局確實陸委會邱主委是這一次必須要決定臺灣的這個觀光的團客到底能不能過去但是最後的決定權是誰\n\n19\n00:06:15,006 --> 00:06:35,085\n我們遞出感染誌之後最後的決定權是誰?還是國台辦嗎?這個是我們沒有辦法質詢的單位所以說來那個次長你請休息再請邱主委所以從2019年其實大陸方面中國方面就因為臺灣進行縣市長的選舉\n\n20\n00:06:37,884 --> 00:07:05,043\n那因為台灣這個太民主、太自由、太多元來台灣看電視會讓這些大陸來的這些自由行的旅客會愛上台灣的民主啊所以說會愛上台灣的自由啊所以說他們就開始禁止這個自由行的旅客來台灣那到這個目前為止啊中國也還沒有開放大陸自由行的旅客來台灣是中國還沒有開放對不對對\n\n21\n00:07:06,805 --> 00:07:32,027\n他那個禁令還在2019年8月1號的禁令所以不是台灣不是陸委會禁止中國的自由行旅客來對不對對我們還開放了第三地的大陸人可以來台灣這個還有很多很多人搞不清楚這個還有很多人以為是我們陸委會禁止大陸旅客自由行來台灣其實我們在這邊還是要清楚的說明是大陸方面禁止他們的自由行旅客來台灣對不對對\n\n22\n00:07:34,208 --> 00:07:58,715\n謝謝那我們不斷地釋出這些感染值但是過程裡面還是遇到中國沒有善意的回應那總是把九二共識掛在前面說你如果沒有承認九二共識你就不要來談團客或者是你如果沒有承認九二共識你就不要來跟我們做相關的談判甚至現在今夏的這個快艇的事件是一個執法\n\n23\n00:08:22,813 --> 00:08:38,673\n目前大家也都很期待嘛剛剛有很多委員也期待說那6月之後的團呢暑假之後的團呢目前中國方面這些國台辦方面有沒有任何的跡象顯示說有可能有機會可以談\n\n24\n00:08:39,638 --> 00:09:04,413\n一般來講我跟委員報告跟委員會報告大概基本上我們在觀察中共的一些政策或是說他的面向大概都會跟他們自己的政治時程有一點關聯目前來看他們的兩會也是我們觀察他未來的政治走向包括他對國際的這樣的一個因為我們基本上也都必須要跟國際做相當程度的連結跟觀察\n\n25\n00:09:06,034 --> 00:09:33,041\n所以我想兩會之後我們會有一些相關的觀察報告那我想我們也會提供給交通部來做參考好謝謝主委目前為止我們內政委員會的委員我聽起來大部分支持對等對我想這是朝野的利益都應該對我們都支持對等但是我要加一點就是說其實我更支持我們行政院包含陸委會要用政策性的調整\n\n26\n00:09:33,681 --> 00:09:58,588\n那也可以符合到所有旅行業者的期待如果說未來有機會可以交流的話大家要知道這是一個對等的交流讓我們國內的這些餐廳旅館業者也有機會享受到開放之後的這個旅行的紅利不是只有我們的旅行團出去那邊記得中國的邏輯人民幣很香你要聽他的話\n\n27\n00:09:59,688 --> 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其實基本上是不會經過審查的只要你的這個電影分級制度它是合理的那符合這個輔導級、限制級等等的對內容其實我們是沒有意見的但是對岸不是啊\n68263\t80508\t對岸跳起來我記得那時候好像整個高雄市政府被高雄市議會當時國民黨的議長整個快要翻掉了包含副市長包含現在的主委你也被趕出去\n81985\t109215\t這個其實就是中國利用各種包含這個他們的觀光客要不要來台灣要不要來高雄要不要到高雄市當時六合夜市的攤商都說啊因為放這個影片害的其實背後這是什麼背後是台灣的民主台灣的自由播放了影片受到中國這一方面的制裁這一次的事件一模一樣\n111041\t133170\t中國想要利用觀光客來作為他們的籌碼但是當然我們採取對等的方式我們在8月的時候我們就提出這個團客其實也不是我們提出啦我們跟我們的旅行業者來討論這個經過新冠疫情之後8月是不是可以要旅行業者大家來討論\n135138\t161145\t團客可以開始來進行籌劃但是這個旅行業者就開始在籌劃的過程裡面消息出去嘛但是這個過程裡面還包含中國片面的時不時的用我們的農產品又驗出什麼樣不合中國標準的那在包含這個M503的這個航線他要片面的做改變所以我們不能只有\n162265\t180004\t交通部我們不能只有觀光署這邊片面的來去決定說我們的團客開始要過去陸委會行政院必須要做相關的調控整體的考量來決定我們是不是對等的團客過去對方對等也可以團客過來\n181445\t181785\t李柏毅\n203413\t216645\t我們經過今天這個專案報告之後我們又開始好我們的結論就是說我們要有善意我們先來提出我們的團課6月之後又可以開始籌辦了\n218510\t218690\t主委請你回應\n237153\t240017\t除了剛剛委員所提到的事實上去年8月我們當然宣布對等開放之後我們也很希望他們能夠希望我們期待嘛期待到過年前所以他們有說要組彩線團到台灣來有來嘛\n253236\t270865\t我們也幫他們安排希望說他們這些人回去也能夠跟他們的政府提出說確實應該也讓入客到台灣來但是沒有想到這個中間過程就是起起伏伏又涉及到台灣的一些政治的選舉等等所以才會造成對岸很多的考量\n276408\t300295\t那很多人考量重點是在於說對我們實在是不公平因為他不斷的宣布他要開放到他們的團客可以到其他國家去包括港澳結果就是沒有台灣那這個對我們來講坦白講我們是難以接受啦不對等就已經很糟糕了又不公平那我想這也是應該是國人難以接受的那我們也很熱情的歡迎他們的採線團先到台灣再來勘察如何安排入客到台灣來旅遊啦\n304076\t320610\t所以我想交通部也都很認真的期待這個能夠促成但是沒有想到我們後來看到的變化其實是越來越不友善謝謝主委你先請稍等一下我請交通部那個林次長我想請問一下對岸的這個對等的機關你認為對岸對等對於旅遊的這個機關\n326215\t337121\t他們要開放入客團客來台灣的這個他們的旅行機關是他們的對等的這個行政機關是什麼就你所知\n339233\t350777\t跟委員報告,雖然是文旅部,但事實上是不是文旅部?是國台辦嗎?所以國台辦沒有同意,那國台辦要請教國台辦的主任,再請教國台辦要問他們的主席,對不對?\n357919\t373926\t所以這個層次的問題真的不是交通部也不是觀光局確實陸委會邱主委是這一次必須要決定臺灣的這個觀光的團客到底能不能過去但是最後的決定權是誰\n375006\t395085\t我們遞出感染誌之後最後的決定權是誰?還是國台辦嗎?這個是我們沒有辦法質詢的單位所以說來那個次長你請休息再請邱主委所以從2019年其實大陸方面中國方面就因為臺灣進行縣市長的選舉\n397884\t425043\t那因為台灣這個太民主、太自由、太多元來台灣看電視會讓這些大陸來的這些自由行的旅客會愛上台灣的民主啊所以說會愛上台灣的自由啊所以說他們就開始禁止這個自由行的旅客來台灣那到這個目前為止啊中國也還沒有開放大陸自由行的旅客來台灣是中國還沒有開放對不對對\n426805\t452027\t他那個禁令還在2019年8月1號的禁令所以不是台灣不是陸委會禁止中國的自由行旅客來對不對對我們還開放了第三地的大陸人可以來台灣這個還有很多很多人搞不清楚這個還有很多人以為是我們陸委會禁止大陸旅客自由行來台灣其實我們在這邊還是要清楚的說明是大陸方面禁止他們的自由行旅客來台灣對不對對\n454208\t478715\t謝謝那我們不斷地釋出這些感染值但是過程裡面還是遇到中國沒有善意的回應那總是把九二共識掛在前面說你如果沒有承認九二共識你就不要來談團客或者是你如果沒有承認九二共識你就不要來跟我們做相關的談判甚至現在今夏的這個快艇的事件是一個執法\n479275\t502312\t﹗\n502813\t518673\t目前大家也都很期待嘛剛剛有很多委員也期待說那6月之後的團呢暑假之後的團呢目前中國方面這些國台辦方面有沒有任何的跡象顯示說有可能有機會可以談\n519638\t544413\t一般來講我跟委員報告跟委員會報告大概基本上我們在觀察中共的一些政策或是說他的面向大概都會跟他們自己的政治時程有一點關聯目前來看他們的兩會也是我們觀察他未來的政治走向包括他對國際的這樣的一個因為我們基本上也都必須要跟國際做相當程度的連結跟觀察\n546034\t573041\t所以我想兩會之後我們會有一些相關的觀察報告那我想我們也會提供給交通部來做參考好 謝謝主委目前為止我們內政委員會的委員我聽起來大部分支持對等對 我想這是朝野的利益都應該對 我們都支持對等但是我要加一點就是說其實我更支持我們行政院包含陸委會要用政策性的調整\n573681\t598588\t那也可以符合到所有旅行業者的期待如果說未來有機會可以交流的話大家要知道這是一個對等的交流讓我們國內的這些餐廳旅館業者也有機會享受到開放之後的這個旅行的紅利不是只有我們的旅行團出去那邊記得中國的邏輯人民幣很香你要聽他的話\n599688\t621444\t所以基於對等的原則的話我們也希望可以促進臺灣島內的觀光也可以蓬勃的發展,謝謝是的,我想交通部也保留所有的彈性只要對方有調整我們就會相對應的回應好,謝謝謝謝柏毅委員質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝次長我們現在休息三分鐘\n","txt":"請邱泰山主委及交通部次長\n我曾經是你的助理我也曾經跟你在高雄市政府有同事過那我回想到過去中國曾經利用觀光客的手段來對付台灣的種種有什麼我突然想到一個熱比亞事件注意你在擔任高雄市副市長的時候高雄市辦了一個影展由民間單位來主辦一個影展\n那這個影展呢 裡面有上百部的影片、電影其中一部有關熱比亞哇 其實在整個籌辦的過程裡面 其實台灣的社會是這樣子嘛你要放什麼電影 其實基本上是不會經過審查的只要你的這個電影分級制度它是合理的那符合這個輔導級、限制級等等的對內容其實我們是沒有意見的但是對岸不是啊\n對岸跳起來我記得那時候好像整個高雄市政府被高雄市議會當時國民黨的議長整個快要翻掉了包含副市長包含現在的主委你也被趕出去\n這個其實就是中國利用各種包含這個他們的觀光客要不要來台灣要不要來高雄要不要到高雄市當時六合夜市的攤商都說啊因為放這個影片害的其實背後這是什麼背後是台灣的民主台灣的自由播放了影片受到中國這一方面的制裁這一次的事件一模一樣\n中國想要利用觀光客來作為他們的籌碼但是當然我們採取對等的方式我們在8月的時候我們就提出這個團客其實也不是我們提出啦我們跟我們的旅行業者來討論這個經過新冠疫情之後8月是不是可以要旅行業者大家來討論\n團客可以開始來進行籌劃但是這個旅行業者就開始在籌劃的過程裡面消息出去嘛但是這個過程裡面還包含中國片面的時不時的用我們的農產品又驗出什麼樣不合中國標準的那在包含這個M503的這個航線他要片面的做改變所以我們不能只有\n交通部我們不能只有觀光署這邊片面的來去決定說我們的團客開始要過去陸委會行政院必須要做相關的調控整體的考量來決定我們是不是對等的團客過去對方對等也可以團客過來\n李柏毅\n我們經過今天這個專案報告之後我們又開始好我們的結論就是說我們要有善意我們先來提出我們的團課6月之後又可以開始籌辦了\n主委請你回應\n除了剛剛委員所提到的事實上去年8月我們當然宣布對等開放之後我們也很希望他們能夠希望我們期待嘛期待到過年前所以他們有說要組彩線團到台灣來有來嘛\n我們也幫他們安排希望說他們這些人回去也能夠跟他們的政府提出說確實應該也讓入客到台灣來但是沒有想到這個中間過程就是起起伏伏又涉及到台灣的一些政治的選舉等等所以才會造成對岸很多的考量\n那很多人考量重點是在於說對我們實在是不公平因為他不斷的宣布他要開放到他們的團客可以到其他國家去包括港澳結果就是沒有台灣那這個對我們來講坦白講我們是難以接受啦不對等就已經很糟糕了又不公平那我想這也是應該是國人難以接受的那我們也很熱情的歡迎他們的採線團先到台灣再來勘察如何安排入客到台灣來旅遊啦\n所以我想交通部也都很認真的期待這個能夠促成但是沒有想到我們後來看到的變化其實是越來越不友善謝謝主委你先請稍等一下我請交通部那個林次長我想請問一下對岸的這個對等的機關你認為對岸對等對於旅遊的這個機關\n他們要開放入客團客來台灣的這個他們的旅行機關是他們的對等的這個行政機關是什麼就你所知\n跟委員報告,雖然是文旅部,但事實上是不是文旅部?是國台辦嗎?所以國台辦沒有同意,那國台辦要請教國台辦的主任,再請教國台辦要問他們的主席,對不對?\n所以這個層次的問題真的不是交通部也不是觀光局確實陸委會邱主委是這一次必須要決定臺灣的這個觀光的團客到底能不能過去但是最後的決定權是誰\n我們遞出感染誌之後最後的決定權是誰?還是國台辦嗎?這個是我們沒有辦法質詢的單位所以說來那個次長你請休息再請邱主委所以從2019年其實大陸方面中國方面就因為臺灣進行縣市長的選舉\n那因為台灣這個太民主、太自由、太多元來台灣看電視會讓這些大陸來的這些自由行的旅客會愛上台灣的民主啊所以說會愛上台灣的自由啊所以說他們就開始禁止這個自由行的旅客來台灣那到這個目前為止啊中國也還沒有開放大陸自由行的旅客來台灣是中國還沒有開放對不對對\n他那個禁令還在2019年8月1號的禁令所以不是台灣不是陸委會禁止中國的自由行旅客來對不對對我們還開放了第三地的大陸人可以來台灣這個還有很多很多人搞不清楚這個還有很多人以為是我們陸委會禁止大陸旅客自由行來台灣其實我們在這邊還是要清楚的說明是大陸方面禁止他們的自由行旅客來台灣對不對對\n謝謝那我們不斷地釋出這些感染值但是過程裡面還是遇到中國沒有善意的回應那總是把九二共識掛在前面說你如果沒有承認九二共識你就不要來談團客或者是你如果沒有承認九二共識你就不要來跟我們做相關的談判甚至現在今夏的這個快艇的事件是一個執法\n﹗\n目前大家也都很期待嘛剛剛有很多委員也期待說那6月之後的團呢暑假之後的團呢目前中國方面這些國台辦方面有沒有任何的跡象顯示說有可能有機會可以談\n一般來講我跟委員報告跟委員會報告大概基本上我們在觀察中共的一些政策或是說他的面向大概都會跟他們自己的政治時程有一點關聯目前來看他們的兩會也是我們觀察他未來的政治走向包括他對國際的這樣的一個因為我們基本上也都必須要跟國際做相當程度的連結跟觀察\n所以我想兩會之後我們會有一些相關的觀察報告那我想我們也會提供給交通部來做參考好 謝謝主委目前為止我們內政委員會的委員我聽起來大部分支持對等對 我想這是朝野的利益都應該對 我們都支持對等但是我要加一點就是說其實我更支持我們行政院包含陸委會要用政策性的調整\n那也可以符合到所有旅行業者的期待如果說未來有機會可以交流的話大家要知道這是一個對等的交流讓我們國內的這些餐廳旅館業者也有機會享受到開放之後的這個旅行的紅利不是只有我們的旅行團出去那邊記得中國的邏輯人民幣很香你要聽他的話\n所以基於對等的原則的話我們也希望可以促進臺灣島內的觀光也可以蓬勃的發展,謝謝是的,我想交通部也保留所有的彈性只要對方有調整我們就會相對應的回應好,謝謝謝謝柏毅委員質詢,謝謝主委,謝謝次長我們現在休息三分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.100 --> 00:06.544\n請邱泰山主委及交通部次長\n\n00:13.513 --> 00:39.789\n我曾經是你的助理我也曾經跟你在高雄市政府有同事過那我回想到過去中國曾經利用觀光客的手段來對付台灣的種種有什麼我突然想到一個熱比亞事件注意你在擔任高雄市副市長的時候高雄市辦了一個影展由民間單位來主辦一個影展\n\n00:40.569 --> 01:07.323\n那這個影展呢裡面有上百部的影片、電影其中一部有關熱比亞哇其實在整個籌辦的過程裡面其實台灣的社會是這樣子嘛你要放什麼電影其實基本上是不會經過審查的只要你的這個電影分級制度它是合理的那符合這個輔導級、限制級等等的對內容其實我們是沒有意見的但是對岸不是啊\n\n01:08.263 --> 01:20.508\n對岸跳起來我記得那時候好像整個高雄市政府被高雄市議會當時國民黨的議長整個快要翻掉了包含副市長包含現在的主委你也被趕出去\n\n01:21.985 --> 01:49.215\n這個其實就是中國利用各種包含這個他們的觀光客要不要來台灣要不要來高雄要不要到高雄市當時六合夜市的攤商都說啊因為放這個影片害的其實背後這是什麼背後是台灣的民主台灣的自由播放了影片受到中國這一方面的制裁這一次的事件一模一樣\n\n01:51.041 --> 02:13.170\n中國想要利用觀光客來作為他們的籌碼但是當然我們採取對等的方式我們在8月的時候我們就提出這個團客其實也不是我們提出啦我們跟我們的旅行業者來討論這個經過新冠疫情之後8月是不是可以要旅行業者大家來討論\n\n02:15.138 --> 02:41.145\n團客可以開始來進行籌劃但是這個旅行業者就開始在籌劃的過程裡面消息出去嘛但是這個過程裡面還包含中國片面的時不時的用我們的農產品又驗出什麼樣不合中國標準的那在包含這個M503的這個航線他要片面的做改變所以我們不能只有\n\n02:42.265 --> 03:00.004\n交通部我們不能只有觀光署這邊片面的來去決定說我們的團客開始要過去陸委會行政院必須要做相關的調控整體的考量來決定我們是不是對等的團客過去對方對等也可以團客過來\n\n03:01.445 --> 03:01.785\n李柏毅\n\n03:23.413 --> 03:36.645\n我們經過今天這個專案報告之後我們又開始好我們的結論就是說我們要有善意我們先來提出我們的團課6月之後又可以開始籌辦了\n\n03:38.510 --> 03:38.690\n主委請你回應\n\n03:57.153 --> 04:00.017\n除了剛剛委員所提到的事實上去年8月我們當然宣布對等開放之後我們也很希望他們能夠希望我們期待嘛期待到過年前所以他們有說要組彩線團到台灣來有來嘛\n\n04:13.236 --> 04:30.865\n我們也幫他們安排希望說他們這些人回去也能夠跟他們的政府提出說確實應該也讓入客到台灣來但是沒有想到這個中間過程就是起起伏伏又涉及到台灣的一些政治的選舉等等所以才會造成對岸很多的考量\n\n04:36.408 --> 05:00.295\n那很多人考量重點是在於說對我們實在是不公平因為他不斷的宣布他要開放到他們的團客可以到其他國家去包括港澳結果就是沒有台灣那這個對我們來講坦白講我們是難以接受啦不對等就已經很糟糕了又不公平那我想這也是應該是國人難以接受的那我們也很熱情的歡迎他們的採線團先到台灣再來勘察如何安排入客到台灣來旅遊啦\n\n05:04.076 --> 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