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00:03:24,960\n但是2月21日才公告那這樣子短短的兩個禮拜的期間那造成這樣子重大的一個失誤那非安的這種安全的確保啊那這種風險是不可以有任何的一個偏差所以說部長你也覺得這是有可能造成空難的沒有錯這次我們也非常注意這個事了比如說在盤有沒有可能造成空難\n\n10\n00:03:26,011 --> 00:03:45,139\n我們是不會讓他發聲,因為他只要有Madeit的話,我們就讓他趕快降落,所以啊不過有就是有沒有任何一點可能性我們不會讓他發聲啦,但是的確有這樣的一個可能性嘛對不對\n\n11\n00:03:47,639 --> 00:04:14,792\n在航管這一塊為什麼要做流量管理主要就是要確保整個載空機的安全流量管理的話是在一個正常的情況之下才會進行這個流量管理那這個是突發的狀況的話流量管理的話大家我相信交通部一定都說沒有問題啦那航管一定都說沒有問題啦但是發生問題的時候通通都是在認為沒有問題的情況之下發生的那我想問一下這一次的這個整個過程中\n\n12\n00:04:15,552 --> 00:04:21,293\n那我想請教部長那一個單位應該去負最大的一個責任誰是最可以獲首\n\n13\n00:04:22,649 --> 00:04:44,386\n我想在整個因為他們現在直接說哪個單位好了我覺得當然是這個桃園機場他們在這一次的稅修包括桃園機場那我直接問部長那因為這個是包含的在後面稅修的處理以及包含在未來相關的一個這種維護上大家要做一個實施警惕實施檢討\n\n14\n00:04:46,327 --> 00:05:02,134\n我想問一下在這一次的經驗上必須要有一個負責的成績或是救責的成績我想請問目前在部長這一個事件上哪一個成績會負到什麼樣的責任不管是行政責任或是政治責任請部長回答\n\n15\n00:05:03,249 --> 00:05:17,177\n我想因為這次他們在第二天就完全掌握了在第二天原來三天的跑道的變成兩天因為這個不是第二天因為這本來就不應該發生的部長你也認為不應該發生嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:18,337 --> 00:05:38,009\n對我覺得那這一次的懲處的成績我相信不管是機場的內部的人員在看交通部在看社會各界也在看想請教部長這一次的預計負責的成績要懲處的成績到哪裡沒有現在就是因為我們的行政司就是會簽上來就是但是他們現在的確內部在討論在這個過程中\n\n17\n00:05:40,931 --> 00:06:02,857\n比如說他們開了這麼多的會議在航空公司不知道到底我們淘機的後續的追蹤比如說這個航班到底有沒有去做一些改變等等的我想等他們檢討出來以後我們再來所以說這次目前沒有有任何人對這次的負責沒有就是他們檢討報告我們行政司會送上來我們再來討論應該\n\n18\n00:06:09,875 --> 00:06:11,896\n所以說現在沒有辦法對社會各界回應\n\n19\n00:06:34,315 --> 00:07:01,145\n沒有那個就是一個月內沒關係一個月內之後我們看後面的結果好不好在今天也不用特別去那因為最主要是需要有這樣子的回應是社會各界的回應因為不僅是航空公司裡面大家也在看社會各界也在看因為宣案是不能夠有任何的失誤那這次來講我相信不可以再犯因為大家時時會盯著此案那同樣的我想要再延續著\n\n20\n00:07:02,205 --> 00:07:31,390\n就是之前跟部長就教的有關於南投縣那這個機場的終結延伸何時何定在這個局限的部分那今天也有提一個臨時的提案那包括南投縣政府在南投縣軌道系統整體路網評估計畫那也有提出那機場公司請回那再來就是在2014年的時候蔡英文總統曾經在南投的\n\n21\n00:07:32,690 --> 00:07:51,438\n這個場合直接公開宣誓要將終結延伸到南投那在賴清德未來要就任的總統也在南投的時候提出了要讓終結延伸到南投那我想請教一下部長終結何時可以延伸到南投你有沒有把握\n\n22\n00:07:51,898 --> 00:08:06,010\n現在跟游委員報告,我們當然是支持就是說台中的軌道延伸不管是南線延伸還是現在的橘線延伸那現在我們也請這個地方政府提出因為現在的決定是這樣\n\n23\n00:08:07,011 --> 00:08:34,034\n他提出可行性報告我們來審查中國規劃通過以後我們就補助我們交通部主要是在這個經費補助的部分那現在就是台中市政府跟南南投縣政府討論一下包括整個路線的這個規劃然後提出報告那相關的這個可行性的這個報告我們可以做一些經費的支持我想要這部分地方提出來我們按照我們行政程序來來審查\n\n24\n00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:58,974\n因為在賴清德來南投的時候他又直接提到了一個吸引、兩大升級、八大計畫那我想請教一下在他所提的這個政見要延伸到南投的部分部長你怎麼解讀以及說他已經公開承諾了賴清德已經公開承諾了而且這個部分從2014年蔡英文其實騙南投的人騙到現在\n\n25\n00:09:00,075 --> 00:09:16,136\n那賴清德他來南投再次承諾我想請教一下部長在你任期內有沒有可能能夠確實來承諾讓這個終結延伸到南投局限的部分這個表示兩位總統的態度很清楚嗎\n\n26\n00:09:16,676 --> 00:09:34,117\n但是問題好那個游偉你地方不提可行性我沒辦法審你了解嗎你提出來我跟部長報告其實地方他們是有提規劃的部分其實部內也知道那我想請教一下部長就是這個部分的脈絡其實你是清楚的\n\n27\n00:09:35,158 --> 00:09:50,730\n我想知道剛才我相信林佩翔委員在想有生之年希望能夠看到那我在想說終結到南投有生之年大家也都能夠看到那部長你有沒有辦法承諾在你任期上能夠具體的能夠回復南投還有是不是終結到南投有具體進度\n\n28\n00:09:51,751 --> 00:10:11,352\n我的態度就是兩位總統的態度一樣我們支持就是說軌道不是只有都會區它應該是往外延伸就像這個臺北延伸到這個新北一樣甚至到桃園我們的態度支持那地方提可行性我們來協助\n\n29\n00:10:13,257 --> 00:10:30,353\n那所以說有沒有辦法具體的承諾在你的這個任內的期間能夠加速的配合南投縣政府因為南投縣政府有提其實那時候你們也知道嘛不是那那個提出來然後我們可以做協助越快越好啦好啦盡快因為等一下會提案解決齁好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10016\t22483\t麥克風謝謝一樣有請部長請王部長嗨謝謝那一樣針對延續討機、賽機的問題\n31243\t46068\t那部長還有陶基的不管董事總經理那今天延續大家還是針對陶基的稅修的部分還造成塞機的問題那本席同樣這個塞機的問題他不僅是管理處的問題他同時這個飛機在那邊塞機的時候\n52790\t59838\t我們在立院一直都希望的包括大家交通都是很平順包括這個飛機的航空安全都是非常的能夠有保障\n75554\t84423\t那這個稅修的這一次的事件那確實是有可能造成空難那我想請教部長您覺得有沒有這個可能\n85202\t105882\t的確這一次比如說在通告時間太短然後航空公司可能來不及應變所以那天在修跑道剩一條跑道當天還有近700架的飛機在起降我想這個是在淘氣必須做一個檢討應該是把它分散到別的別天去\n106883\t130300\t然後另外就是在整個這次另外就是乘客都不知道這件事也是很嚴重就是說乘客不知道有修跑道可能會有延誤這件事情也很嚴重我想說未來他們除了在相關的營運者包括地勤包括航空公司的通知以外旅客通知一定要到位要不然他沒有預期到說可能延誤\n131101\t133223\t部長,我想問一下本來應該要在多久以前的時間要先進行公告?\n158123\t180849\t我們建議是應該是三個月 正常就是三個月前但是公告的話是幾月幾號公告他們是2月21號公告 他是沒有說一定要三個月但是我們是覺得一定要有一個三個月讓他包括航班的調度等等的那其實本來就應該要在三個月前公告還是比較正確的 是\n181809\t204960\t但是2月21日才公告那這樣子短短的兩個禮拜的期間那造成這樣子重大的一個失誤那非安的這種安全的確保啊那這種風險是不可以有任何的一個偏差所以說部長你也覺得這是有可能造成空難的沒有錯這次我們也非常注意這個事了比如說在盤有沒有可能造成空難\n206011\t225139\t我們是不會讓他發聲,因為他只要有Made it的話,我們就讓他趕快降落,所以啊不過有就是有沒有任何一點可能性我們不會讓他發聲啦,但是的確有這樣的一個可能性嘛對不對\n227639\t254792\t在航管這一塊為什麼要做流量管理主要就是要確保整個載空機的安全流量管理的話是在一個正常的情況之下才會進行這個流量管理那這個是突發的狀況的話流量管理的話大家我相信交通部一定都說沒有問題啦那航管一定都說沒有問題啦但是發生問題的時候通通都是在認為沒有問題的情況之下發生的那我想問一下這一次的這個整個過程中\n255552\t261293\t那我想請教部長那一個單位應該去負最大的一個責任誰是最可以獲首\n262649\t284386\t我想在整個因為他們現在直接說哪個單位好了我覺得當然是這個桃園機場他們在這一次的稅修包括桃園機場那我直接問部長那因為這個是包含的在後面稅修的處理以及包含在未來相關的一個這種維護上大家要做一個實施警惕實施檢討\n286327\t302134\t我想問一下在這一次的經驗上必須要有一個負責的成績或是救責的成績我想請問目前在部長這一個事件上哪一個成績會負到什麼樣的責任不管是行政責任或是政治責任請部長回答\n303249\t317177\t我想因為這次他們在第二天就完全掌握了在第二天原來三天的跑道的變成兩天因為這個不是第二天因為這本來就不應該發生的部長你也認為不應該發生嗎?\n318337\t338009\t對我覺得那這一次的懲處的成績我相信不管是機場的內部的人員在看交通部在看社會各界也在看想請教部長這一次的預計負責的成績要懲處的成績到哪裡沒有現在就是因為我們的行政司就是會簽上來就是但是他們現在的確內部在討論在這個過程中\n340931\t362857\t比如說他們開了這麼多的會議在航空公司不知道到底我們淘機的後續的追蹤比如說這個航班到底有沒有去做一些改變等等的我想等他們檢討出來以後我們再來所以說這次目前沒有有任何人對這次的負責沒有就是他們檢討報告我們行政司會送上來我們再來討論應該\n369875\t371896\t所以說現在沒有辦法對社會各界回應\n394315\t421145\t沒有那個就是一個月內沒關係一個月內之後我們看後面的結果好不好在今天也不用特別去那因為最主要是需要有這樣子的回應是社會各界的回應因為不僅是航空公司裡面大家也在看社會各界也在看因為宣案是不能夠有任何的失誤那這次來講我相信不可以再犯因為大家時時會盯著此案那同樣的我想要再延續著\n422205\t451390\t就是之前跟部長就教的有關於南投縣那這個機場的終結延伸何時何定在這個局限的部分那今天也有提一個臨時的提案那包括南投縣政府在南投縣軌道系統整體路網評估計畫那也有提出那機場公司請回那再來就是在2014年的時候蔡英文總統曾經在南投的\n452690\t471438\t這個場合直接公開宣誓要將終結延伸到南投那在賴清德未來要就任的總統也在南投的時候提出了要讓終結延伸到南投那我想請教一下部長終結何時可以延伸到南投你有沒有把握\n471898\t486010\t現在跟游委員報告,我們當然是支持就是說台中的軌道延伸不管是南線延伸還是現在的橘線延伸那現在我們也請這個地方政府提出因為現在的決定是這樣\n487011\t514034\t他提出可行性報告我們來審查中國規劃通過以後我們就補助我們交通部主要是在這個經費補助的部分那現在就是台中市政府跟南南投縣政府討論一下包括整個路線的這個規劃然後提出報告那相關的這個可行性的這個報告我們可以做一些經費的支持我想要這部分地方提出來我們按照我們行政程序來來審查\n515515\t538974\t因為在賴清德來南投的時候他又直接提到了一個吸引、兩大升級、八大計畫那我想請教一下在他所提的這個政見要延伸到南投的部分部長你怎麼解讀以及說他已經公開承諾了賴清德已經公開承諾了而且這個部分從2014年蔡英文其實騙南投的人騙到現在\n540075\t556136\t那賴清德他來南投再次承諾我想請教一下部長在你任期內有沒有可能能夠確實來承諾讓這個終結延伸到南投局限的部分這個表示兩位總統的態度很清楚嗎\n556676\t574117\t但是問題好 那個游偉你地方不提可行性我沒辦法審你了解嗎 你提出來我跟部長報告其實地方他們是有提規劃的部分其實部內也知道那我想請教一下部長就是這個部分的脈絡其實你是清楚的\n575158\t590730\t我想知道剛才我相信林佩翔委員在想有生之年希望能夠看到那我在想說終結到南投有生之年大家也都能夠看到那部長你有沒有辦法承諾在你任期上能夠具體的能夠回復南投還有是不是終結到南投有具體進度\n591751\t611352\t我的態度就是兩位總統的態度一樣我們支持就是說軌道不是只有都會區它應該是往外延伸就像這個臺北延伸到這個新北一樣甚至到桃園我們的態度支持那地方提可行性我們來協助\n613257\t630353\t那所以說有沒有辦法具體的承諾在你的這個任內的期間能夠加速的配合南投縣政府因為南投縣政府有提其實那時候你們也知道嘛不是那那個提出來然後我們可以做協助越快越好啦好啦盡快因為等一下會提案解決齁好好謝謝\n","txt":"麥克風謝謝一樣有請部長請王部長嗨謝謝那一樣針對延續討機、賽機的問題\n那部長還有陶基的不管董事總經理那今天延續大家還是針對陶基的稅修的部分還造成塞機的問題那本席同樣這個塞機的問題他不僅是管理處的問題他同時這個飛機在那邊塞機的時候\n我們在立院一直都希望的包括大家交通都是很平順包括這個飛機的航空安全都是非常的能夠有保障\n那這個稅修的這一次的事件那確實是有可能造成空難那我想請教部長您覺得有沒有這個可能\n的確這一次比如說在通告時間太短然後航空公司可能來不及應變所以那天在修跑道剩一條跑道當天還有近700架的飛機在起降我想這個是在淘氣必須做一個檢討應該是把它分散到別的別天去\n然後另外就是在整個這次另外就是乘客都不知道這件事也是很嚴重就是說乘客不知道有修跑道可能會有延誤這件事情也很嚴重我想說未來他們除了在相關的營運者包括地勤包括航空公司的通知以外旅客通知一定要到位要不然他沒有預期到說可能延誤\n部長,我想問一下本來應該要在多久以前的時間要先進行公告?\n我們建議是應該是三個月 正常就是三個月前但是公告的話是幾月幾號公告他們是2月21號公告 他是沒有說一定要三個月但是我們是覺得一定要有一個三個月讓他包括航班的調度等等的那其實本來就應該要在三個月前公告還是比較正確的 是\n但是2月21日才公告那這樣子短短的兩個禮拜的期間那造成這樣子重大的一個失誤那非安的這種安全的確保啊那這種風險是不可以有任何的一個偏差所以說部長你也覺得這是有可能造成空難的沒有錯這次我們也非常注意這個事了比如說在盤有沒有可能造成空難\n我們是不會讓他發聲,因為他只要有Made it的話,我們就讓他趕快降落,所以啊不過有就是有沒有任何一點可能性我們不會讓他發聲啦,但是的確有這樣的一個可能性嘛對不對\n在航管這一塊為什麼要做流量管理主要就是要確保整個載空機的安全流量管理的話是在一個正常的情況之下才會進行這個流量管理那這個是突發的狀況的話流量管理的話大家我相信交通部一定都說沒有問題啦那航管一定都說沒有問題啦但是發生問題的時候通通都是在認為沒有問題的情況之下發生的那我想問一下這一次的這個整個過程中\n那我想請教部長那一個單位應該去負最大的一個責任誰是最可以獲首\n我想在整個因為他們現在直接說哪個單位好了我覺得當然是這個桃園機場他們在這一次的稅修包括桃園機場那我直接問部長那因為這個是包含的在後面稅修的處理以及包含在未來相關的一個這種維護上大家要做一個實施警惕實施檢討\n我想問一下在這一次的經驗上必須要有一個負責的成績或是救責的成績我想請問目前在部長這一個事件上哪一個成績會負到什麼樣的責任不管是行政責任或是政治責任請部長回答\n我想因為這次他們在第二天就完全掌握了在第二天原來三天的跑道的變成兩天因為這個不是第二天因為這本來就不應該發生的部長你也認為不應該發生嗎?\n對我覺得那這一次的懲處的成績我相信不管是機場的內部的人員在看交通部在看社會各界也在看想請教部長這一次的預計負責的成績要懲處的成績到哪裡沒有現在就是因為我們的行政司就是會簽上來就是但是他們現在的確內部在討論在這個過程中\n比如說他們開了這麼多的會議在航空公司不知道到底我們淘機的後續的追蹤比如說這個航班到底有沒有去做一些改變等等的我想等他們檢討出來以後我們再來所以說這次目前沒有有任何人對這次的負責沒有就是他們檢討報告我們行政司會送上來我們再來討論應該\n所以說現在沒有辦法對社會各界回應\n沒有那個就是一個月內沒關係一個月內之後我們看後面的結果好不好在今天也不用特別去那因為最主要是需要有這樣子的回應是社會各界的回應因為不僅是航空公司裡面大家也在看社會各界也在看因為宣案是不能夠有任何的失誤那這次來講我相信不可以再犯因為大家時時會盯著此案那同樣的我想要再延續著\n就是之前跟部長就教的有關於南投縣那這個機場的終結延伸何時何定在這個局限的部分那今天也有提一個臨時的提案那包括南投縣政府在南投縣軌道系統整體路網評估計畫那也有提出那機場公司請回那再來就是在2014年的時候蔡英文總統曾經在南投的\n這個場合直接公開宣誓要將終結延伸到南投那在賴清德未來要就任的總統也在南投的時候提出了要讓終結延伸到南投那我想請教一下部長終結何時可以延伸到南投你有沒有把握\n現在跟游委員報告,我們當然是支持就是說台中的軌道延伸不管是南線延伸還是現在的橘線延伸那現在我們也請這個地方政府提出因為現在的決定是這樣\n他提出可行性報告我們來審查中國規劃通過以後我們就補助我們交通部主要是在這個經費補助的部分那現在就是台中市政府跟南南投縣政府討論一下包括整個路線的這個規劃然後提出報告那相關的這個可行性的這個報告我們可以做一些經費的支持我想要這部分地方提出來我們按照我們行政程序來來審查\n因為在賴清德來南投的時候他又直接提到了一個吸引、兩大升級、八大計畫那我想請教一下在他所提的這個政見要延伸到南投的部分部長你怎麼解讀以及說他已經公開承諾了賴清德已經公開承諾了而且這個部分從2014年蔡英文其實騙南投的人騙到現在\n那賴清德他來南投再次承諾我想請教一下部長在你任期內有沒有可能能夠確實來承諾讓這個終結延伸到南投局限的部分這個表示兩位總統的態度很清楚嗎\n但是問題好 那個游偉你地方不提可行性我沒辦法審你了解嗎 你提出來我跟部長報告其實地方他們是有提規劃的部分其實部內也知道那我想請教一下部長就是這個部分的脈絡其實你是清楚的\n我想知道剛才我相信林佩翔委員在想有生之年希望能夠看到那我在想說終結到南投有生之年大家也都能夠看到那部長你有沒有辦法承諾在你任期上能夠具體的能夠回復南投還有是不是終結到南投有具體進度\n我的態度就是兩位總統的態度一樣我們支持就是說軌道不是只有都會區它應該是往外延伸就像這個臺北延伸到這個新北一樣甚至到桃園我們的態度支持那地方提可行性我們來協助\n那所以說有沒有辦法具體的承諾在你的這個任內的期間能夠加速的配合南投縣政府因為南投縣政府有提其實那時候你們也知道嘛不是那那個提出來然後我們可以做協助越快越好啦好啦盡快因為等一下會提案解決齁好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.016 --> 00:22.483\n麥克風謝謝一樣有請部長請王部長嗨謝謝那一樣針對延續討機、賽機的問題\n\n00:31.243 --> 00:46.068\n那部長還有陶基的不管董事總經理那今天延續大家還是針對陶基的稅修的部分還造成塞機的問題那本席同樣這個塞機的問題他不僅是管理處的問題他同時這個飛機在那邊塞機的時候\n\n00:52.790 --> 00:59.838\n我們在立院一直都希望的包括大家交通都是很平順包括這個飛機的航空安全都是非常的能夠有保障\n\n01:15.554 --> 01:24.423\n那這個稅修的這一次的事件那確實是有可能造成空難那我想請教部長您覺得有沒有這個可能\n\n01:25.202 --> 01:45.882\n的確這一次比如說在通告時間太短然後航空公司可能來不及應變所以那天在修跑道剩一條跑道當天還有近700架的飛機在起降我想這個是在淘氣必須做一個檢討應該是把它分散到別的別天去\n\n01:46.883 --> 02:10.300\n然後另外就是在整個這次另外就是乘客都不知道這件事也是很嚴重就是說乘客不知道有修跑道可能會有延誤這件事情也很嚴重我想說未來他們除了在相關的營運者包括地勤包括航空公司的通知以外旅客通知一定要到位要不然他沒有預期到說可能延誤\n\n02:11.101 --> 02:13.223\n部長,我想問一下本來應該要在多久以前的時間要先進行公告?\n\n02:38.123 --> 03:00.849\n我們建議是應該是三個月正常就是三個月前但是公告的話是幾月幾號公告他們是2月21號公告他是沒有說一定要三個月但是我們是覺得一定要有一個三個月讓他包括航班的調度等等的那其實本來就應該要在三個月前公告還是比較正確的是\n\n03:01.809 --> 03:24.960\n但是2月21日才公告那這樣子短短的兩個禮拜的期間那造成這樣子重大的一個失誤那非安的這種安全的確保啊那這種風險是不可以有任何的一個偏差所以說部長你也覺得這是有可能造成空難的沒有錯這次我們也非常注意這個事了比如說在盤有沒有可能造成空難\n\n03:26.011 --> 03:45.139\n我們是不會讓他發聲,因為他只要有Madeit的話,我們就讓他趕快降落,所以啊不過有就是有沒有任何一點可能性我們不會讓他發聲啦,但是的確有這樣的一個可能性嘛對不對\n\n03:47.639 --> 04:14.792\n在航管這一塊為什麼要做流量管理主要就是要確保整個載空機的安全流量管理的話是在一個正常的情況之下才會進行這個流量管理那這個是突發的狀況的話流量管理的話大家我相信交通部一定都說沒有問題啦那航管一定都說沒有問題啦但是發生問題的時候通通都是在認為沒有問題的情況之下發生的那我想問一下這一次的這個整個過程中\n\n04:15.552 --> 04:21.293\n那我想請教部長那一個單位應該去負最大的一個責任誰是最可以獲首\n\n04:22.649 --> 04:44.386\n我想在整個因為他們現在直接說哪個單位好了我覺得當然是這個桃園機場他們在這一次的稅修包括桃園機場那我直接問部長那因為這個是包含的在後面稅修的處理以及包含在未來相關的一個這種維護上大家要做一個實施警惕實施檢討\n\n04:46.327 --> 05:02.134\n我想問一下在這一次的經驗上必須要有一個負責的成績或是救責的成績我想請問目前在部長這一個事件上哪一個成績會負到什麼樣的責任不管是行政責任或是政治責任請部長回答\n\n05:03.249 --> 05:17.177\n我想因為這次他們在第二天就完全掌握了在第二天原來三天的跑道的變成兩天因為這個不是第二天因為這本來就不應該發生的部長你也認為不應該發生嗎?\n\n05:18.337 --> 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