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00:01:29,313\n還是桃園機場?好,那我們來看一下。如果未來,未來我們的台灣的半導體晶片生產重心已經難移,那你覺得南部半導體的出口貨運需求的解約方案,就看那個小港機場嘛,那你認為需不需要再考慮這個問題,運輸的時間跟能量、量能,你覺得設立貨運機場還在擴建原來小港機場?\n\n5\n00:01:32,563 --> 00:01:56,180\n是,我想委員提到一個好的議題因為如果有多元的機場當然除了舊近南部可以提供他的一些facility之外那我想對於這個供應鏈的韌性也會有所幫助沒有錯,我們如果所有晶片都往淘機送在高速公路上耗費3個小時以上\n\n6\n00:01:56,943 --> 00:02:16,298\n那高速公路一塞車我們這個供應鏈就可能會斷鏈往下看我們來看一下目前台灣各機場貨運量淘機你看一下在客運的部分其他的機場加起來不到淘機淘機都占了一半以上這是客運那你覺得貨運呢?台灣的貨運出口貨運在哪個機場最重要?\n\n7\n00:02:18,334 --> 00:02:18,354\n桃園\n\n8\n00:02:29,175 --> 00:02:33,898\n您認為過去在疫情期間我們的國際航空華航跟長榮是賠錢還是賺錢?是賺錢,主要是貨運對,您看沒有錯在110年跟11年我看到的資料華航在110年它的\n\n9\n00:02:49,887 --> 00:03:17,688\n一、隔年呢他的同年的貨運是當年客運的20倍啊在11年也有將近快5倍對不對表示這些國際航空公司他主要在疫情期間主要是靠什麼靠貨運營收嘛是再看看長榮長榮呢在11年呢他的貨運是客運的10倍到了11年呢也有快這個快8、9倍所以我們很清楚在疫情期間那現在呢現在這下\n\n10\n00:03:18,829 --> 00:03:39,140\n現在航空公司主要在國際航空公司主要是靠什麼?現在疫情已經過去了嘛,觀光人潮也回來了嘛,你估計大概是什麼情況?有沒有客貨怎麼樣比?為什麼客運有些班級沒有辦法提升?就是因為他轉成貨以後,比較不容易轉回來的,還是持續?\n\n11\n00:03:43,522 --> 00:04:11,265\n但你看最近的新聞,桃園機場稅修造成大塞機你覺得會塞的是什麼機?塞了客機就擋了貨機,是不是這樣子?因為客人不能等嘛如果你是塔台,你要讓哪個機先降?讓客機先起降嘛那這種情況之下,我說過九成六的貨運是從桃機出桃機又以客運優先那當桃機稅修,我們的出口就癱瘓了你覺得這樣有這個可能性?\n\n12\n00:04:13,464 --> 00:04:40,305\n我不曉得會不會太誇張,但是會排擠啊會排擠,好那我們來看齁最近有一個新聞啊,上禮拜我跟邱哲偉委員才開一個台積電進駐熊本小港機場準備好了沒有?未來高雄跟熊本會成為沉寂的一個交通需求你覺得他準備好了沒?現在好像班機要慢慢的恢復了其實目前呢,這個淘機的運,旅客的運能已經恢復了7成小港只有恢復5成,你覺得什麼原因?\n\n13\n00:04:41,687 --> 00:04:48,512\n小港為什麼連客運都不想去?小港的問題在哪裡?小港的問題,高雄的委員李博義委員在這裡,很清楚。\n\n14\n00:05:03,864 --> 00:05:27,259\n20小時不能20小時降貨機對不對貨機要20小時降居民抗議晚上太吵腹地不足你的貨機還有周邊的什麼倉儲轉運這些配套他都沒有所以最後的結論要出來了你覺得如果未來我們的半導體從台南部出口的需求如果量很大的話是不是如果你把這個需求交給交通部交通部是要去評估在南部建一個貨運機場\n\n15\n00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:56,888\n包括說他的用地取得包括周邊產業規劃跟大眾運輸的接駁你覺得是不是要先把你的出口需求評估出來可以嗎可以那你是不是可以在一個月內把我們半導體從南部出口需求預估未來5到10年這個量估出來我好去澳洲交通部趕快就南部的貨運機場的運能做個評估可以嗎一個月夠不夠我們來試試看一個月評估未來5到10年台灣的半導體出口從南部出口的貨運需求好不好好謝謝謝謝竹北謝謝處長謝謝主席\n\n16\n00:06:02,398 --> 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