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00:02:31,716\n對於整個你也知道不管是行政機關也好相關的就是說你你也知道去年的那個年假太長嗎你也是被罵的很慘嗎是不是也惹出很多的那個大家到底你在評估這個時候到底是五一勞動節放假比較好還是行限節日其實國定假日不可能無限期的增加下去嗎是不是\n\n7\n00:02:32,836 --> 00:02:49,682\n在這個情況下雖然說現在才剛在討論五一勞動節但是可能12月25號大家就開始討論那個行限紀念日以及行限紀念日剛好是恰巧就是外國的耶誕節\n\n8\n00:02:50,822 --> 00:03:08,989\n那對於國家整體的經濟效益而言也許在這個時間放假好像有相關的產業以及商機那就你而言你當然是就公務員的所以就你而言這兩個放假有什麼差別\n\n9\n00:03:10,327 --> 00:03:37,860\n委員報告一下因為大宴在民國89年的時候有一個附帶結議就是每一年的放假天數大概就維持115到116那事實上也就是因為有這樣的一個附帶結議所以這個也就是內政部他要去針對這樣的一個limitation去討論看看要如何去調整有些節日只有紀念不放假那些是要又紀念又放假\n\n10\n00:03:38,500 --> 00:04:04,620\n會在那個會議裡面來討論事實上我們還是尊重整個內政部他全盤的不是我現在不是在問內政部我是說從你過去擔任人事長的這樣的經驗你認為對不對我就說了現在大家在討論五一有可能就是行政院人事的時候大家也開始討論了12月25號要不要變成國定假日那如果這個時候呢\n\n11\n00:04:06,101 --> 00:04:13,891\n你怎麼樣評估呢?你怎麼樣在跨部會議當中提供給行政院長相關的資訊?\n\n12\n00:04:16,163 --> 00:04:43,677\n現在我們就是一定是要去recheck看看這個是有沒有法律規範的遊戲規則上限嘛我剛才有報告過了嘛假如因為大宴在89年的時候我知道這個你已經重複過了因為這個很重要因為當五一也放了然後在行驗期日就再放當然會超過這樣的上限怎麼樣取捨嗎現在就是取捨的問題嗎\n\n13\n00:04:45,990 --> 00:05:09,568\n沒有錯這個就是所謂的移動的概念本來是沒放假的移到有放假有放假的你就要去找有放假的移到只紀念不放假會有這移動的那這個就會在那一個會議裡面大家一起去交換意見因為一定是要去試算哪一種假放了以後他哪些Stakeholder他的一個衝擊嘛\n\n14\n00:05:10,589 --> 00:05:32,578\n你不要把你內心的OS告訴大家,你應該告訴我們說,什麼樣的情況是最好的?我當然是說遵守法律規定的情況下,那如果只能二者一哪一個是比較好的?\n\n15\n00:05:34,505 --> 00:05:50,384\n我會建議大家共識度最高的就是最好的因為我覺得民主時代不能你認為想怎樣就怎樣我覺得要聽大家大部分的人都有共識朝這個方向一定是風險最低\n\n16\n00:05:52,131 --> 00:06:15,891\n我看到最近大家也在討論檢察官助理的問題其實上會期我也是強力的認為以目前的詐騙案以及相關的案件審理的時候我們應該要增加檢察官助理的員額其實上會期的時候大家有對於檢察官的助理員額法定的\n\n17\n00:06:19,697 --> 00:06:26,948\n施法院的法官助理也會相對的要求,那兩個元額是否會有相關的影響呢?\n\n18\n00:06:29,112 --> 00:06:53,573\n我覺得我們增加檢察官助理的主要目的如果是要去處理詐騙案件我覺得最佳的方式是源頭減量當源頭不減量的時候我們再增加太多的檢察官助理事實上整個地檢他們不管是檢察官也好或者檢察事務官或者這些檢察官助理大家都很忙\n\n19\n00:06:54,696 --> 00:07:11,928\n最佳的方式就是源頭減量源頭減量然後再把一些檢察官目前要做的事情去做一些梳理哪些可以透過跟警察機關合作的還有一些訴訟有些\n\n20\n00:07:13,564 --> 00:07:18,887\n施法院的法官助理跟檢察官助理的緣額會不會有衝突?他兩邊基本上他沒有衝突可是會有一個現象就會援引比照的概念\n\n21\n00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:40,331\n那對於公務人員的總額會不會有影響呢?一定會有影響因為他是在董業務那會互相排擠嗎?\n\n22\n00:08:05,560 --> 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