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00:01:21,974\n對,那火力發電的部分,那現在你們提出的一個方案是什麼?還是用綠電跟再生能源?再生能源還是很重要的一部分,因為原來就預估大概在2050年的時候再生能源佔我們的發電比例可能是6成到7成左右,那但是\n\n5\n00:01:23,140 --> 00:01:44,949\n你就是要把那個火力發電降下來但是沒有辦法因為台灣的特殊環境你沒有辦法那麼多的再生能源那會透過CCUS的方式那我現在想請教就是說我們現在目標到底有沒有改變到2050年的時候我們再生能源的占比要到多少大概60到7060到70但你的這個解決方案你的再生能源包括什麼\n\n6\n00:01:45,891 --> 00:02:10,722\n所以說我現在看到的嘛就是你第9頁裡面有綠電跟再生能源嘛但是你提到的還是離岸風電然後太陽能板提到一些但是其他就沒啦我們現在在講是說過去國家已經投入那麼多的一個資源而且再加上風跟光最主要的大家考慮或是扛慎的最大關鍵是它不是一個穩定的能源來源\n\n7\n00:02:11,482 --> 00:02:14,424\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n8\n00:02:38,184 --> 00:02:42,407\n不是比較細你剛講2050的時候他要佔6成到7成換言之今天20、50、30有50的藍氣、30的藍莓、20的再生2050廢核家園你已經跳票了嘛\n\n9\n00:02:56,977 --> 00:03:25,657\n現在本席要講的是說我們因為今天是第一次的國發會來經濟委員會報告你照理講2024年的開頭應該是要有對於未來有一個完整化尤其是我們在去年前年也已經訂了2050淨零碳排的目標往前回推現在20幾年20幾年沒有很快沒有很久欸對其實馬上就到了欸對那所以說本席現在想要講的是說這個就是我們現在短視近利的一個狀況\n\n10\n00:03:27,957 --> 00:03:53,965\n你已經講了6層到7層要用再生能源本席也問您就是說你現在能源的部分大家都很擔憂那你現在提出來整篇報告裡面有提到能源的就是在第9月的綠能跟再生能源但是綠能的部分你們只強調說我們現在有做多少的離岸風電有做多少太陽能的部分可是對於其他隻字未提那你到底你要怎麼達成到底有沒有在我們現在的想法裡面\n\n11\n00:03:54,591 --> 00:04:08,042\n有阿有阿,就是我剛才特別提到,因為那個還沒有辦法三旋三轉,所以比較是示範性的,包括地震,還有海岸轉等等。是,不管是示範性或是規劃或是等等,你是不是應該現在已經著手要去執行動作?\n\n12\n00:04:08,042 --> 00:04:08,662\n有有有,對。在哪裡?\n\n13\n00:04:11,553 --> 00:04:38,704\n因為今天的報告沒有辦法那麼多啦因為那個非常非常多最後我們可以提供主委本席點出這個點最主要就是希望說在整個國家的長遠發展尤其我們現在如果說比較看有一個進程的目標就有一個目標2050出來那應該是往前回推這一些都是我們現在應該關注的主委另外一個部分本席也看到了\n\n14\n00:04:40,253 --> 00:05:02,947\n你報告後面有講到我們國發會另外一個重要的議題就是國家的檔案管理所以你在最後第33頁用一個標題深化國家檔案開發禁用那整個一整頁的內容全都在講國家檔案那我覺得最重要的本席的選區營口國家檔案管那你的報告勒?\n\n15\n00:05:06,394 --> 00:05:06,995\n2050就要落成\n\n16\n00:05:22,693 --> 00:05:44,910\n2025年2025年就要落成就明年要落成嘛對不對在報告裡面隻字未提啊是現在沒有把握要開放是不是沒有我們進度還超前進度超前那為什麼整個這本期就好奇了一方面你剛剛講的是說哇那個太遠了地能什麼不夠成熟所以說我報告裡面沒有辦法寫那麼細那我現在有一個29億的投資20\n\n17\n00:05:47,952 --> 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