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00:02:10,113\n我們歡迎陸客來臺,甚至各種形式,自由行,我沒有禁止\n\n8\n00:02:39,814 --> 00:02:45,903\n貴女姐,我們就送我們這個旅遊業者一個大禮物,就是進團令\n\n9\n00:02:47,608 --> 00:03:06,619\n委員,我們是希望促成,所以前幾年背過、摘過,今年切都希望我們的善意可以得到回應,但是一直到2月7號以前,都等不到消息。那個時候你們有對應就對了,你們有跟他們對應就對了,你們如果沒有跟他們對應就算了,因為那時候剛好跟他們對應說他們沒有跟他們對應,所以剛好春天。\n\n10\n00:03:13,844 --> 00:03:14,726\n對啦,跟選舉所在這,跟選舉所在這再來選否啦吼,啊怎麼會突然會受到?\n\n11\n00:03:21,309 --> 00:03:22,150\n主團行自由行有什麼活動?\n\n12\n00:03:49,731 --> 00:04:12,841\n自由行我們沒有禁,我們自己可以過,他們都沒有過團進團出行,自由行我們現在不敢,也是可以去逮捕我們現在自由行沒有禁,如果有重要事件,他們還是可以用自由行去如果是因為單純他們沒有跟我們有那個互相的一個對面,是單純這樣我們才會進團是因為這樣我們才會進團\n\n13\n00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:28,472\n應該說都沒有對等的開放,連自由行都沒有開,剛剛主委也報告他對130個國家,連港澳都開放了,但是他都沒有對我們。我是覺得,交通應該是比較重要。\n\n14\n00:04:35,157 --> 00:04:41,342\n我們現在不是說遇到大陸的這個我們外國營業群的總統來跟你們請教我們是因為我們之前你們也知道之前因為以前疫情而我們這麼多的旅遊業的時候因為疫情的關係這麼多公司都倒閉了,對啦,好好的兩位齁\n\n15\n00:04:57,854 --> 00:05:25,059\n現在疫情已經過了,我們旅遊觀光都已經開放了,已經都開放了,這麼多人都很熱鬧的去大陸選擇發貨是怎樣?剛才我們的委員、立委同事,他在說在請我們主委的組團,我去參考,我去參考我一定會去,因為我很希望看到什麼,兵馬俑跟紫禁城,\n\n16\n00:05:26,206 --> 00:05:26,246\n有語過進行．\n\n17\n00:05:30,424 --> 00:05:38,266\n有經過一個反滲透條例,反滲透法,要做到單元訂定,要做一個修訂,還要走走走,走到去,如果副大夫去回來,所有狀況有事情,到這陣子,我要有完善我的願望,請主委,要做完善我的願望,你做就好了,你會想你就有這個煩惱,一般民眾當然也有這個煩惱,\n\n18\n00:05:57,841 --> 00:06:00,442\n我再告訴你一句,宗教觀光,這樣有什麼?宗教觀光,有什麼組團?宗教交流。委員,我們自由行無禁,你要自己去都可以。今年,我們婦人館原莊、奧芳宮,\n\n19\n00:06:18,258 --> 00:06:19,759\n他們智慧喔!\n\n20\n00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:24,881\n他們智慧去大陸做宗教的一個交流智慧喔!\n\n21\n00:06:24,881 --> 00:06:25,642\n還有讓他們知道是主委一人開門門櫃去結果當然吵那個吊詐\n\n22\n00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,303\n總幹事還說幾個月我們自己拿錢去交貨我只是說這算什麼可以拿去做的事情是我們公安局不夠狹窄的不是你們公安局狹窄的那是地安黨有狹窄的可能啦可能一個原因就是什麼算了算了\n\n23\n00:06:58,394 --> 00:07:01,975\n所以我覺得這種惡習一直在存在我會覺得政府要讓我們明確保障到國人旅遊的權利以及我們國人的一些文化交流的權利\n\n24\n00:07:21,042 --> 00:07:46,623\n對啦,我是覺得這一定要給我們做一個比較好的一個報告給委員報告齁,我們自由行沒有金,但是團課的部分本來是希望開放嘛所以因為他們對方沒有給我們善意的回應但是我們也是說3月1號到5月31號還是讓原來的組團進去降低大家的這個不方便這一段期間希望他們能有善意的回應啦\n\n25\n00:07:46,903 --> 00:07:48,223\n五二零以後的事情看未來的\n\n26\n00:08:11,252 --> 00:08:19,274\n所以我聽到你講的,人家520反省喔,人家520不就讓人家520再選好這件事,你當那個總統還沒起來,你就把他選好這?我們希望把路破好,如果順利,我們繼續走,如果沒有順利,當然到時候要調整。這樣,你們想法這樣有什麼,其實齁,\n\n27\n00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,422\n其實你們的可能啦,我們都尊重啦,但是齁,我們是依依說若驕啦,我們是依依說我們這個旅遊若驕,他們的權利啦,真的,我就像剛才說的,當進行疫情的時候,我們這個若驕已經犧牲很多,多了很多經歷,讓他們現在有機會可以給他們複製,我們希望說,當這個\n\n28\n00:09:04,215 --> 00:09:23,159\n其實去大陸會議員的人是很多的我們說這個也可以討論的好山好水好風景和我們台灣一樣大家也希望去看一樣的一個民族和不同的風景這樣也很多人大家希望去看我們不要拋開那個政治立場\n\n29\n00:09:31,020 --> 00:09:31,320\n主席主席\n\n30\n00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:49,470\n主席主席主席\n\n31\n00:10:09,316 --> 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結果當然吵那個吊詐\n總幹事還說幾個月我們自己拿錢去交貨我只是說這算什麼可以拿去做的事情是我們公安局不夠狹窄的不是你們公安局狹窄的那是地安黨有狹窄的可能啦可能一個原因就是什麼算了算了\n所以我覺得這種惡習一直在存在我會覺得政府要讓我們明確保障到國人旅遊的權利以及我們國人的一些文化交流的權利\n對啦,我是覺得這一定要給我們做一個比較好的一個報告給委員報告齁,我們自由行沒有金,但是團課的部分本來是希望開放嘛所以因為他們對方沒有給我們善意的回應但是我們也是說3月1號到5月31號還是讓原來的組團進去降低大家的這個不方便這一段期間希望他們能有善意的回應啦\n五二零以後的事情看未來的\n所以我聽到你講的,人家520反省喔,人家520不就讓人家520再選好這件事,你當那個總統還沒起來,你就把他選好這?我們希望把路破好,如果順利,我們繼續走,如果沒有順利,當然到時候要調整。這樣,你們想法這樣有什麼,其實齁,\n其實你們的可能啦,我們都尊重啦,但是齁,我們是依依說若驕啦,我們是依依說我們這個旅遊若驕,他們的權利啦,真的,我就像剛才說的,當進行疫情的時候,我們這個若驕已經犧牲很多,多了很多經歷,讓他們現在有機會可以給他們複製,我們希望說,當這個\n其實去大陸會議員的人是很多的我們說這個也可以討論的好山好水好風景和我們台灣一樣大家也希望去看一樣的一個民族和不同的風景這樣也很多人大家希望去看我們不要拋開那個政治立場\n主席主席\n主席主席主席\n主委阿里來說可以跟交通部再次的一個大家溝通一下以我們的國人的權利為重感謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:10.972\n主席,請我們主委跟次長,啊,主委你先坐下,你先坐下,現在先請次長是不是?好,我們先請次長,謝謝。要跟次長請教一下,我們地理界國家最重要的是誠信對不對?\n\n00:20.187 --> 00:21.868\n政策在形成過程會先溝通,溝通的過程會看實際是否成熟,所以這整個過程是有這樣的節奏。\n\n00:47.264 --> 00:49.025\n市長你請教我們這個開放遊大陸這個政策重大的一個政策是很重要的政策團遊的那個\n\n01:05.149 --> 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