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00:01:47,587\n那當時就已經做了這樣的一個宣布那對岸他也了解這樣的一個情勢那後來我們也給一個一個月的這樣的一個雙方的這個準備期或是什麼等等那當然在這裡面就透過或者說業者也好或者是相關的熱心的人士也好都有做彼此意願的這樣的一個巡打但是呢一開始他們可能因為一些考量或是什麼等等並沒有明確的表達要談或不要談\n\n5\n00:01:48,487 --> 00:01:48,507\n吳琪銘議員\n\n6\n00:02:06,618 --> 00:02:20,818\n本席的建議還是是不是我們嘗試跟對岸來一個熱線大家來溝通因為對我們國家整體的利益我們還是要鎖住\n\n7\n00:02:21,818 --> 00:02:47,564\n還有一個平等的互惠的原則我們還是要堅持我們的立場那是不是可以跟對岸來講對岸要是要恢復你看我們剛才我們的交通部長王國才在交通委員會他也特別提到3月到5月就將近4000多團要到中國大陸超過10萬人這個\n\n8\n00:02:50,285 --> 00:03:14,406\n我們已經釋出這個善意是不是對方他也要讓我們釋出他的善意這樣我們才能夠談下去這對整個兩岸的交流是一個很大的注意我覺得委員的說法是非常好我希望這個對岸的政府也能夠看到委員的這樣的一個說法代表台灣的民意到底怎麼樣在看待這件事情因為我們國家的利益我們還是要鎖住\n\n9\n00:03:17,169 --> 00:03:30,957\n主委這一點我們就針對問題我們來跟他們做溝通那現在變成早上還在講M503這個航線這個航線出現了變化我們交通部處長來回答委員好主委你先回座好了你辛苦了\n\n10\n00:03:48,497 --> 00:03:49,818\n委員您提到吳琪銘的電話\n\n11\n00:03:53,783 --> 00:04:22,050\n大陸在1月30號宣布說2月1號起503這個北向南的航路本來是在503上面偏西6海里來運作但是2月1號以後就不偏西了就回到原的現場那第二個呢開放它這個122、123122剛好就在我們馬祖附近123在金門附近原來是這個往西現在它開放西往東飛\n\n12\n00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:47,367\n那這個過程太過充足也沒有跟我們溝通那基本上5034過境航路他有點像高速公路從3萬尺要降到平面的話他有一個過路的階段所以必須要跟我們的這個馬祖金門的終端管制去做協商這樣萬一有狀況的時候比較安全對飛航比較安全所以我們是希望大陸就這些事情也應該跟我們善意的互動\n\n13\n00:04:48,728 --> 00:05:05,755\n這是一個事件．結合其他事件政府統一考慮就是說．既然目前都沒有善意的互動．原定3月要開放的部分．我們就先開放3個月試行．就是您剛提的．讓大陸看到我們的善意．\n\n14\n00:05:06,535 --> 00:05:19,227\n這三個月的善意有將近10萬人,4000多團,那也希望他們在這段時間省慎的考慮,是不是開放大陸的自由行跟團客來台方,這樣比較正面的互動,是有利兩岸的溝通。\n\n15\n00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:35,928\n既有我們M503既有我們國家的安全、人民百姓大家的出團的安全性我們還是要堅持啦那最主要是我們也可以從我們觀光署這邊的統計你像在108年108年共有400多萬的人次到對岸去旅遊\n\n16\n00:05:46,434 --> 00:06:07,745\n在疫情後下降了將近10倍剩41萬其實台灣到各國去旅遊我們的比例還是非常高那基於說我們兩岸的互等的條件下我們的不管是我們交通部還是我們的觀光署這邊還是要\n\n17\n00:06:09,887 --> 00:06:37,969\n是不是也是要充分的大家來做一個溝通這是基於我們國家整個人民的旅遊的安全性還有旅遊的品質我們國人戶外旅遊當然安全第一第二個我們也希望各地的外國觀光客都能夠來台灣所以基本上我們對其他國家沒有設限的原因是人家也沒有對我們設限\n\n18\n00:06:39,170 --> 00:06:39,230\n李卓人議員\n\n19\n00:06:57,265 --> 00:06:58,265\n我們在大陸也有設辦事處\n\n20\n00:07:21,032 --> 00:07:44,445\n基本上大陸在台灣也有派代表所以基本上就是官方多元都有旅行業者也有所以這個是多項多元的溝通那其實政府態度很明確我們是正面open開放大陸旅遊來台的對我們台灣旅行界有4000多家對他們不要造成太大的衝擊\n\n21\n00:07:46,006 --> 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03:49.818\n委員您提到吳琪銘的電話\n\n03:53.783 --> 04:22.050\n大陸在1月30號宣布說2月1號起503這個北向南的航路本來是在503上面偏西6海里來運作但是2月1號以後就不偏西了就回到原的現場那第二個呢開放它這個122、123122剛好就在我們馬祖附近123在金門附近原來是這個往西現在它開放西往東飛\n\n04:23.490 --> 04:47.367\n那這個過程太過充足也沒有跟我們溝通那基本上5034過境航路他有點像高速公路從3萬尺要降到平面的話他有一個過路的階段所以必須要跟我們的這個馬祖金門的終端管制去做協商這樣萬一有狀況的時候比較安全對飛航比較安全所以我們是希望大陸就這些事情也應該跟我們善意的互動\n\n04:48.728 --> 05:05.755\n這是一個事件．結合其他事件政府統一考慮就是說．既然目前都沒有善意的互動．原定3月要開放的部分．我們就先開放3個月試行．就是您剛提的．讓大陸看到我們的善意．\n\n05:06.535 --> 05:19.227\n這三個月的善意有將近10萬人,4000多團,那也希望他們在這段時間省慎的考慮,是不是開放大陸的自由行跟團客來台方,這樣比較正面的互動,是有利兩岸的溝通。\n\n05:20.420 --> 05:35.928\n既有我們M503既有我們國家的安全、人民百姓大家的出團的安全性我們還是要堅持啦那最主要是我們也可以從我們觀光署這邊的統計你像在108年108年共有400多萬的人次到對岸去旅遊\n\n05:46.434 --> 06:07.745\n在疫情後下降了將近10倍剩41萬其實台灣到各國去旅遊我們的比例還是非常高那基於說我們兩岸的互等的條件下我們的不管是我們交通部還是我們的觀光署這邊還是要\n\n06:09.887 --> 06:37.969\n是不是也是要充分的大家來做一個溝通這是基於我們國家整個人民的旅遊的安全性還有旅遊的品質我們國人戶外旅遊當然安全第一第二個我們也希望各地的外國觀光客都能夠來台灣所以基本上我們對其他國家沒有設限的原因是人家也沒有對我們設限\n\n06:39.170 --> 06:39.230\n李卓人議員\n\n06:57.265 --> 06:58.265\n我們在大陸也有設辦事處\n\n07:21.032 --> 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