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00:01:51,345\n我想這一次我覺得這個在機場公司這邊的緊急性不夠就是說在這個已經知道那一天要有這麼多航班那應該是航班的分散還有相關的這個航空公司是不是已經改班次等等的要先確定我想說這一次也讓陶基也做一個徹底的一個檢討\n\n5\n00:01:52,965 --> 00:01:54,848\n這次是提前54個小時前預告嗎?\n\n6\n00:02:08,452 --> 00:02:23,019\n請問部長,提前預告的時間。他是2月21號告訴各個航空公司,那我們覺得這個時間也不夠,因為如果旅客已經訂了飛機,航空公司要變也很難。\n\n7\n00:02:24,042 --> 00:02:39,557\n所以我覺得這個通告應該會更早,我們現在是給他的這個整個檢討的情形是說3個月前就應該公告,不只營業者還要包括這個消費者,就是說旅客也要公告,讓他心裡有所準備。\n\n8\n00:02:41,198 --> 00:02:57,575\n那這次機場南跑道稅修造成航班大亂．交通部也坦承整修規模較往年比較大．而且沒有注意到交通量那這也凸顯出機場管理的問題去年在英國全球機場評比桃園機場從67名\n\n9\n00:03:00,896 --> 00:03:01,757\n因果有一個叫做那個\n\n10\n00:03:31,817 --> 00:03:34,618\n我們可以看到就是說這個在2023他們的調查應該是在2023的前面這段時間就是疫情期間那疫情期間跟委員報告我們機場很多的免稅店是沒有開的\n\n11\n00:04:17,342 --> 00:04:33,477\n當然也不能說我們好像台灣機場做得很好我覺得全世界的機場都在競爭包括像這一次的3月3號的這個問題我想說機場要改善的地方還非常的多我想說最重要的是機場應該這一次的學習\n\n12\n00:04:37,181 --> 00:04:38,021\n請問部長目前的興建情況如何?\n\n13\n00:04:59,258 --> 00:05:22,767\n三行下現在還是在115年然後我們會陸續從北廊廳、主行下跟南廊廳意思是說雖然115年做完但是我們北廊廳會先開放登機所以應該是在一年左右一年左右開始這個第三行下的北廊廳已經可以登機了這樣全體完工三行下是在115年後完工115\n\n14\n00:05:28,082 --> 00:05:50,038\n對於這次事件對民進黨政府施政相挺的財經專家謝金河也感嘆臺灣的經濟力大有進展不過機場建設卻落後他也向新任總統蔡金河喊話這也許是未來施政很好的著力點那過去8年是民進黨執政對謝金河先生的發言有何感想\n\n15\n00:05:51,175 --> 00:06:13,135\n我想,像過去台灣經常在疫情前表現是算還不錯他事實上你可以看到108他在全世界很多的評比都是前面的那當然透過這個在疫情這段時間他們事實上像一些跑道還有一些這個航廈的推動都是一直一直往前我想說這一次我覺得是一個\n\n16\n00:06:14,957 --> 00:06:18,839\n我個人是覺得說這個是要檢討但是並沒有辦法說用這一天來否定整個台灣機場他們的努力但是我覺得3月3日這一天的檢討是我們必須痛定思痛來檢討的\n\n17\n00:06:44,269 --> 00:07:02,645\n臺灣的觀光好像還在原地踏步被盤點出幾個致命傷像是景點特色不足還有縱使短期補助或是長遠的規劃嚴重的缺工還有旅遊費用高那現在的困境不只影響就是海外來臺旅遊的意願那許多國人呢也認為出國比國旅好那根據交通部觀光署調查那112年的統計總共有1170\n\n18\n00:07:05,908 --> 00:07:05,968\n邱若華\n\n19\n00:07:21,312 --> 00:07:37,487\n對我們開放國境的時間點也比較晚那我們其實應該分兩個部分來談一個是外國客來台灣另外一個就是我們國民旅遊那國旅的部分我們在去年其實已經超越了我們\n\n20\n00:07:38,828 --> 00:07:59,023\n民國108年也就是這個2019的標準那麼今年我們的目標就是希望能夠挑戰我們恢復到疫情之前全球的分析也是這樣有保守值跟樂觀值也就是2024年十分是樂觀值那麼保守值是到2025年回到2019年的標準\n\n21\n00:08:01,184 --> 00:08:14,017\n那麼這個部分呢我們當然是也希望能夠開闢更多的亮點是,署長那回到標準大概人數會是多少目標數是多少我們目前還是以我們2019年是1187萬人次那我們還是以這個標準來努力是\n\n22\n00:08:21,964 --> 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