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00:03:25,128\n我們會希望把這些還是壯世代的這些勞動力人口能夠希望他們重返職場所以我們最近也推了計畫希望說在3年內我們可以至少在50歲以上這個壯世代能夠多增加30萬的人力進來\n\n10\n00:03:38,696 --> 00:04:04,028\n那這個部分就是說我們會看產業的需求去調整對於有一些製造業他沒有辦法他如果缺工的問題一直存在很久的情況下那我們本就是本國的勞動力不願意參與的情況下那我們怎麼樣子解決這個缺工的問題他們希望能夠提就是提高或者是把\n\n11\n00:04:04,708 --> 00:04:23,477\n就是同一個業別的這個移工的這個現額比例提高,那有沒有辦法?那個報委,我們現在就是extra制嘛,比如說你原來的合配比例是多少,你想要增加可以,你就是就案費增加就可以聘到最高可以到40%啊。\n\n12\n00:04:25,178 --> 00:04:39,573\n就是你可以加等於說加救安費來提高你的比率那另外還有就是國內承接比如說有些移工他因為原來的業別他可能現在沒有缺那麼多人他可能是就是\n\n13\n00:04:40,254 --> 00:04:44,677\n為什麼沒有辦法讓基層的中小企業主可以了解呢?因為如果是這樣子,你有人家就不知道了啊\n\n14\n00:05:04,451 --> 00:05:19,283\n我們都工業區都去辦座談然後各分熟的都發表座談那有一些不在工業區裏面不報告委員我覺得很多問題是這樣就是說可能因為我們辦座談有時候不是僱主來啦都是他裏面的職員來那回去有沒有\n\n15\n00:05:19,991 --> 00:05:20,211\n請勞動部長、外交部長：謝衣鳯\n\n16\n00:05:49,241 --> 00:06:16,870\n各地的分屬我們甚至就是企業有缺工需求我還請同仁去專人去服務客製化的來幫你媒合這個都可以做得到的會不會你在這個委員會講一套那在地方的沒有沒有沒有我跟你說你們根本不是這樣子嘛那我要求你們到我的那個因為我聽到的情況就不是如此嘛我剛跟鍾小七的座談就很多場\n\n17\n00:06:18,991 --> 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報告委員我覺得很多問題是這樣就是說可能因為我們辦座談有時候不是僱主來啦都是他裏面的職員來那回去有沒有"},{"start":319.991,"end":320.211,"text":"請勞動部長、外交部長：謝衣鳯"},{"start":349.241,"end":376.87,"text":"各地的分屬我們甚至就是企業有缺工需求我還請同仁去專人去服務客製化的來幫你媒合這個都可以做得到的會不會你在這個委員會講一套那在地方的沒有沒有沒有我跟你說你們根本不是這樣子嘛那我要求你們到我的那個因為我聽到的情況就不是如此嘛我剛跟鍾小七的座談就很多場"},{"start":378.991,"end":393.94,"text":"不過有一個問題就是我剛剛跟你講的部主真的不曉得因為來上課的人回去沒有講所以我只要我親自去講我都要求至少就是一定要總經理董事長沉寂了因為他們才會去了解他們關注的問題在哪裡啦"},{"start":394.7,"end":423.306,"text":"他才會知道說原來政府有那麼多措施所以委員如果你可以辦個辦個座談會我可以去講啊對因為工業區他們現在就是面臨的就是長期就是我如果啦今天的經濟成長是如此的情況下那未來我們國內有一些產業是本國的勞工不願意去從事的情況下那本來我們就應該要讓當然第一個我們是應該用就是我們的智慧的機械"},{"start":423.926,"end":439.356,"text":"來減低我們的勞動力的比例但是你短期的缺工問題還是要解決嘛你們中間的那些人員是不是應該要不要影響我們的質詢這樣子我們就是質詢沒有效率嘛是不是"},{"start":440.677,"end":459.027,"text":"好,對啊,沒關係,這個部分我會把相關的資料給你,那有必要我也可以去跟業者座談,雙向溝通。那我們,因為您,我也交代發展署這邊去在您轄區的工業區再辦座談,邀請僱主來。"},{"start":461.929,"end":484.634,"text":"好,因為中小企業對於這個相關的法令那如果他們沒有辦法就是說得到進一步的瞭解的時候那對於我們國內的製造業以及相關的這個經濟成長就沒有辦法增加嘛,是不是那對於我們地方的發展也會受限啊,好不好好,謝謝好,謝謝謝衣鳯委員的質問"}]}}}}