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00:01:52,540\n你也表示歉意我也希望他是一個語物不是頭腦裡頭的觀念絕對不可以我們實質來討論因為目前我們就是泰國、越南、菲律賓跟印尼四個國家引進外籍移工這20年來我們可以說是首度簽訂第5個移工的來源國所以在這樣的一個\n\n5\n00:01:55,821 --> 00:02:11,393\n這個情況之下本席要請教在2月16號我們以視訊方式來簽署了簽署了這個MOU那到底我們什麼時候可以引進這個這個印度移工那引進的額度跟他的專長到底是什麼呢\n\n6\n00:02:13,954 --> 00:02:41,832\n報告委員我們2月16視訊簽署2月26完整換文那接下來我們會請我們會報行政院來備查流程你們做本期要請問的什麼時候可以正式引進這個報告委員這個恐怕還沒那麼快因為我們後面還有工作成績談議員這些都拭目以待耶但是委員那個MOUMOU是一個架構的所謂的還沒那麼快沒關係我們還是要照程序走那到底會什麼時候\n\n7\n00:02:42,893 --> 00:03:06,806\n有可能會進來?報告委員,至少也要半年、一年。為什麼?因為這個工作層級...今年底可不可能進來?今年底我不敢預料。為什麼本集會跟你討論這個議題呢?因為大家看到這個訊息,大家缺工,都很期待。那你認為今年底不可能,明年可不可能?\n\n8\n00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:29,385\n明年是有機會明年是有機會也不一定因為就是要看那個工作沒關係我們就實質討論因為有要怎麼處理沒有要怎麼處理你不要讓產業一個期待最後是落空的這樣不好嘛所以今年底不太可能明年底有可能但是不知道什麼時候是不是這樣解讀可以這麼說\n\n9\n00:03:30,666 --> 00:03:44,079\n可以到底是不是是這樣解讀那請問你們現在預計要可以引進多少移工數額報告委員數額還沒預計因為我要開看各數額還沒預計那專長有沒有預估就是看各到時候我們專長有沒有預估專長會看各業的需求\n\n10\n00:03:56,470 --> 00:04:08,395\n我們會簽我們一定有自己的期待才有辦法談判嘛那你預估我們希望能夠在明年的時候有可能會引進你希望可以引進多少?\n\n11\n00:04:11,016 --> 00:04:26,469\n原額目前我也要經過大家跟跨部會討論之後那基本上原額我們一開始不會太多啦會小規模但是因為我說多少我現在就是先小額的引進啦小額是多少?你的小額是小到多少?\n\n12\n00:04:27,463 --> 00:04:50,471\n要談,報告委員這個要談,這個不是我自己能夠決定部長你不用緊張,因為我們今天你一定緊張,因為你語射了,因為你要知道,我在跟人家討論的時候,你跟人家有一個主張,不是你可以決定OK,這大家可以了解,但是你一定要主張啊,你不可能你自己沒主張啊,我就是工作成績開完\n\n13\n00:04:51,972 --> 00:05:10,251\n我會有,大概了解,我有確診。你主張你的小兒,你竟然可以回答一個小兒,小兒是多少啦?小兒是多少?現在我沒有辦法回覆這個問題。那你所謂的小兒的定義是什麼?我的意思是說,就不會是很大量的引進啦。你的大量是多少?你的小兒又是多少?\n\n14\n00:05:14,416 --> 00:05:28,210\n部長,你還是語射啦,我跟你說,本期跟你討論,因為在這裡都錄音錄影,大家很期待,所以大家期待,那我們也清楚,作為過程﹖\n\n15\n00:05:30,151 --> 00:05:49,296\n聽清楚這個過程必須要去談判但是我方也必須要有自己的方案你才有辦法討論對不對你既然說出小兒小兒一定有你的數字當然你不願意說我也尊重你啦但是我要告訴你你工作會議要到什麼時候可以有一個方向出來你的工作會議要到什麼時候可以有一個方向出來工作會議現在沒有召開啊什麼時候要召開\n\n16\n00:06:00,452 --> 00:06:00,612\n請你把你預估要怎麼做\n\n17\n00:06:19,765 --> 00:06:36,331\n請你詳時資料給本席,你的時間流程表請列出來好不好我再請一個議題給你做功課目前我們逃逸外勞的累計人數已經達到8萬人那請問勞動部你要怎樣防治\n\n18\n00:06:36,991 --> 00:06:37,431\n報告委員．去年的\n\n19\n00:07:03,732 --> 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