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help確實臺灣面臨一個國際搶人荒缺人荒的此時此刻我們就是要快點來做嘛所以這個問題意識如果導到國家競爭力我們不只跟時間賽跑我們更跟世界各國在競爭\n133476\t133936\t發言委員．吳思瑤\n160786\t176023\t就我所瞭解跟掌握的資訊這樣一個跟印度的磋商從109年就開始談了談了3年多了所以絕對不是急救章快速的欠缺評估這個您要大聲講啊\n177705\t198981\t第二個,我們現在的程序是簽了MOU,它就是一個意象書的簽訂、換文,未來的工作事項正要開始。我不曉得大家有沒有看日劇喔,這個日劇我是日劇迷啊,都會說,請你洪森翰,以結婚為前提,跟我交往好嗎?\n201518\t204600\t這個意思就是類似MOU就是我們有這個意象以結婚為前提我們來交往但是不是明天就結婚啊交往之後我們的生活習慣我們的價值觀我們的各項\n218732\t236335\t方方面面 攸關人生大事 都是在這個交往的過程 要去慢慢推銷 也就是我把他用這個例子來換在這個事情 MOU只是just the beginning 雙方有這個意願 我們有以結婚為前提的交往的意願\n237605\t258310\t太沉重了但是但是未來你們要進行的工作會議而且謝謝各委員也是非常謝謝王玉敏教委今天排了這個專案報告提出了很多建設性的提醒未來擴大在工作會議的過程跟專家學者社福團體所有的stakeholder的對話都要積極綿密的展開嗎\n263271\t283329\t所以說他沒有急救章他也不是今天MOU明天就上路就要對社會講清楚我們還有很充裕的時間包括您剛回答楊瓊英委員的今年底你可能都說的保守也許明年比較有可能換言之我們還有一年的準備期可以收攏社會各界更多元的意見\n284790\t311247\t第二個呢 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help確實臺灣面臨一個國際搶人荒缺人荒的此時此刻我們就是要快點來做嘛所以這個問題意識如果導到國家競爭力我們不只跟時間賽跑我們更跟世界各國在競爭\n發言委員．吳思瑤\n就我所瞭解跟掌握的資訊這樣一個跟印度的磋商從109年就開始談了談了3年多了所以絕對不是急救章快速的欠缺評估這個您要大聲講啊\n第二個,我們現在的程序是簽了MOU,它就是一個意象書的簽訂、換文,未來的工作事項正要開始。我不曉得大家有沒有看日劇喔,這個日劇我是日劇迷啊,都會說,請你洪森翰,以結婚為前提,跟我交往好嗎?\n這個意思就是類似MOU就是我們有這個意象以結婚為前提我們來交往但是不是明天就結婚啊交往之後我們的生活習慣我們的價值觀我們的各項\n方方面面 攸關人生大事 都是在這個交往的過程 要去慢慢推銷 也就是我把他用這個例子來換在這個事情 MOU只是just the beginning 雙方有這個意願 我們有以結婚為前提的交往的意願\n太沉重了但是但是未來你們要進行的工作會議而且謝謝各委員也是非常謝謝王玉敏教委今天排了這個專案報告提出了很多建設性的提醒未來擴大在工作會議的過程跟專家學者社福團體所有的stakeholder的對話都要積極綿密的展開嗎\n所以說他沒有急救章他也不是今天MOU明天就上路就要對社會講清楚我們還有很充裕的時間包括您剛回答楊瓊英委員的今年底你可能都說的保守也許明年比較有可能換言之我們還有一年的準備期可以收攏社會各界更多元的意見\n第二個呢 這個政策的上路有不透明嗎我們依據就業服務法裡頭只要是政策決定開放就要公告周知所以我們透過公告周知之後把這個政策即將上路就可以來匯聚大家對話的可能所以我認為如果有委員會誤會你們是不透明的政策跟決策我要替你們大聲的講\n並非如此那當然也有委員提案說是不是這個政策到各縣市去開公聽會什麼的其實我翻閱了我們過去開放的其實是6個來源國啦我們的印尼、泰國、越南、菲律賓乃至於蒙古乃至於馬來西亞其實是沒有所謂什麼縣市公聽會的一來國跟國之間的這種涉外的事務本來就不會到縣市去開公聽會嘛\n主席\n循序漸進、穩健務實好下一頁我講到這種好這一頁我想講一下我們要清楚對外界來說明外籍移工的適用法規是一樣嚴格的過去的6個國家如此未來的印度亦然\n開放印度移工並沒有放鬆任何現行的法規,我們有7個法規要適用。外國人就業管理條例、勞動基準法、外國勞動人力供應管理條例、就業服務法、全民健康保險法、社會安全法以及外國工作者保險條例。換言之,我們是同樣規格在管控。這個也要對社會說清楚、講明白。\n因為我長期加入教育文化委員會我對於印度移工就是低階人力嗎這樣的社會命題我一定要大大的為印度移工撕掉這個不合理涉及歧視的標籤去掉這個汙名化我監督的過去監督的部會其中一個叫做中研院\n中研院就有超過300名的印度博士生在中研院工作我這裡秀出來的是中研院資訊科學研究所的一位印度的研究員他現在其實是一個網紅大家可以去看看他這個影片在台灣工作的1萬名印度人其實遍及台灣頂尖大學、工讀工程學、生物科學領域、碩博士甚至在業界都是最先進的高階人力\n而且呢除了在學研機構在竹科或南港軟體工程的園區擔任工程師的印度精英人士大有人在所以我們臺灣是一個最包容最多元最擁抱\n各國移民尤其是各種來臺灣就業創業的人我們是這樣一個偉大的包容的國家對於任何一個未來可能成為我們國家很重要的人力補給也好專業的協力也好我們都要給予臺灣人應當有的友善\n那謝謝主席給我多的時間因為真的時間很有限我希望這個政策透過更多元的對話啟動更專業的相關當事人的各項的研議的會議我們讓一個好的政策勇敢的上路阿您在社民進程也要大聲講這樣好不好好謝謝主席謝謝部長好謝謝吳思瑤\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.679 --> 00:25.953\n好,謝主席,有請部長。好,有請部長。大家早安,時間很短,我就切入重點。來,我的PPT。來,請播放好嗎?可以播放嗎?好。\n\n00:31.588 --> 00:50.182\n我想今天我聆聽了幾乎一整個上午其實事實上對於開放印度移工這個政策其實跨黨派的委員其實基本上都是站在支持的角度也許在作業的程序或者是未來精進的方案有提供了很多建設性的建議我們來\n\n00:51.682 --> 01:16.916\n韓納然後來推進但是不管是今天委員的發言或者是這長期以來是在立法院跨黨派立委長期要求我國政府要針對外勞的這個來源國要努力想方設法去增加新的選擇新的選項所以總的來講這個政策方向我可以幾乎這樣說大家都站在Welcome\n\n01:17.316 --> 01:30.661\n的方向跟角度但是呢對於快或慢的這件事情我想如果我們把問題意識定在我今天的主題就是國際搶人大戰的此時此刻臺灣蘇狼摩蘇丁的這一個攸關國家競爭力的問題意識站得住腳的話我想更可以有效的推進我們這個政策大破大立大步的往前走\n\n01:46.747 --> 02:11.936\n就如同剛剛前一位楊瓊英委員她甚至是指叉沒拿著皮鞭叫你快快快對不對所以說印度移工canhelp確實臺灣面臨一個國際搶人荒缺人荒的此時此刻我們就是要快點來做嘛所以這個問題意識如果導到國家競爭力我們不只跟時間賽跑我們更跟世界各國在競爭\n\n02:13.476 --> 02:13.936\n發言委員．吳思瑤\n\n02:40.786 --> 02:56.023\n就我所瞭解跟掌握的資訊這樣一個跟印度的磋商從109年就開始談了談了3年多了所以絕對不是急救章快速的欠缺評估這個您要大聲講啊\n\n02:57.705 --> 03:18.981\n第二個,我們現在的程序是簽了MOU,它就是一個意象書的簽訂、換文,未來的工作事項正要開始。我不曉得大家有沒有看日劇喔,這個日劇我是日劇迷啊,都會說,請你洪森翰,以結婚為前提,跟我交往好嗎?\n\n03:21.518 --> 03:24.600\n這個意思就是類似MOU就是我們有這個意象以結婚為前提我們來交往但是不是明天就結婚啊交往之後我們的生活習慣我們的價值觀我們的各項\n\n03:38.732 --> 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