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00:02:12,183\n事實上交通部所做的事我們也要表示肯定就是說桃園到布拉格、高雄到新加坡、沖繩包括我們的高雄到茨城的航班高雄到靜岡我們現在是獨飛的航線那到首爾、金浦、越南、香港等有很多的廉價航空\n\n6\n00:02:14,425 --> 00:02:39,076\n包括新加坡沖繩這個也謝謝啦那我們也就是說其實高雄並不是沒有潛力那我們也希望說交通部多重視高雄民航局多重視高雄能夠讓我們高雄的班機可以盡快到位我們再看下一頁我們高雄爭取的航線我們先講就是321\n\n7\n00:02:41,109 --> 00:02:46,128\n九州的我們現在北海道的紮網從去年講了到現在還沒有完成\n\n8\n00:02:47,576 --> 00:03:16,188\n那九州熊本事實上熊本市跟我們高雄市姐妹是我們兩個城市非常的好熊本市長也都到高雄兩三次了那結果都沒有直飛的航班那包括韓國的濟州早所以呢這個部分日韓的航線比我們高雄多8倍那我們的載客率又比桃園還要高所以是不是這個地方可以盡快來做一個調整讓我們高雄有更多的航班\n\n9\n00:03:17,508 --> 00:03:36,841\n當然就是馬祖蘭干他有困難度但是我們還是希望再要求美國洛杉磯事實上可以看到這個很多班次很多班次現在一個月好像300多班而且在增加中那為什麼一直都沒有機會去做一個大部分的調整\n\n10\n00:03:37,902 --> 00:03:56,889\n包括我們觀光局現在改成觀光署也新設了好幾個辦事處像我們的雅加達甚至釜山甚至孟買現在因為觀光局升格為觀光署那剩下很多的辦事處但是正在這些辦事處相對的航班都沒有調整\n\n11\n00:03:58,308 --> 00:04:12,369\n所以我也再一次的呼籲就是我們高雄飛印尼事實上這是可以直飛的比如每一次高雄人都一定要租車勞頓到桃園那另外當然印度你看這個十幾億的人口因為我們竟然沒有直飛\n\n12\n00:04:13,950 --> 00:04:40,089\n當然這個部分是不是規劃桃園先行我們也不會說高雄先行這整個台灣做考量桃園先行這我們是可以考慮的但是總是要設計這樣子一個直飛的路線所以這個航線的規劃我們也知道現在就是我們的那個高雄機場也在改建當中所以我是不是可以具體的就是要求就是民航局\n\n13\n00:04:41,909 --> 00:04:50,398\n跟交通部是不是可以做一個盡快的調整以及不然你就替我們高雄的所有的宅客做一個書面報告、評估報告這樣子OK嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:54,229 --> 00:05:19,849\n想跟委員報告確實在高雄這邊的航班恢復其實根據我們的統計基本上如果扣除大陸然後還有日本因為他地勤因素等等恢復比較慢有恢復的我都知道啦我現在就是說我看到這個塞機覺得心痛啦要怎麼樣去調整現在已經有調整了那我們也感謝啦我現在就是我們要求的像熊本、雜黃、濟州島\n\n15\n00:05:23,052 --> 00:05:30,270\n這個我們因應的盼竊嘛因應期盼嘛但是還那個看不到我們希望的成果\n\n16\n00:05:31,124 --> 00:06:00,003\n我想日本的部分就剛剛講他恢復的比較慢因為主要是受限於他們的地勤的代理的量能尤其熊本這一邊也是一樣那至於韓國東南亞其實已經都恢復到95%那當然...沒關係因為我時間有限你就...你的解釋我大概都聽過了之前也都解釋過了那能夠調配的就請民航局盡快跟華航或者是日本相關的地方就是盡快做調配\n\n17\n00:06:01,324 --> 00:06:04,946\n下一張這個圖片是哪裡你知道嗎?臺灣機場部長知道我們高雄好像沒有這一種\n\n18\n00:06:29,445 --> 00:06:29,605\n目前的規劃\n\n19\n00:06:50,225 --> 00:06:59,844\n我們在檢討,因為桃園機場是24小時的機場是啦,24小時就比較不用住啊我們那個中間正好有那個消遣時間正好住進來正好啊\n\n20\n00:07:01,687 --> 00:07:28,052\n因為高雄比較多是區域線的啦,他可能進來...所以就是因為你航班規劃的不夠才會變成區域線嘛所以你如果規劃的...所以我就要求是說那個部長有聽到啦所以民航局做一個整體的我們的運量跟這些航班的調配那包括像這一種交通旅館現在都已經要新蓋為什麼不把它設計進去呢難道我們永遠就是要當作宵禁所以很多班次就不來所以就算了嗎\n\n21\n00:07:31,479 --> 00:07:45,629\n所以高雄過境江南旅館我覺得是必要的要把它一起思考進來然後就整個將來南北的調配我希望說棉行局跟交通部可以做一下規劃好不好好我們現在請部長請王部長委員好部長都有聽到啦剛剛讓你休息一下主要就是說現在你起來就說好就好\n\n22\n00:08:02,130 --> 00:08:08,208\n就是說那個高雄有宵禁嘛那晚上太晚就睡覺了家長離館隔天再走這樣\n\n23\n00:08:09,412 --> 00:08:09,592\n好﹖好\n\n24\n00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,881\n部長,我們高雄的交通真的是也要看得很長遠啦\n\n25\n00:09:06,311 --> 00:09:32,750\n我想到底像台北,台北其實它的高鐵它有三個核心就是台北車站、板橋車站跟南港車站它是東西跟包括原的縣區都有那我們高雄現在只有一個左營左營將來你在像看往後50年恐怕它的運量都會集中在左營那很可怕的那整個南高雄呢我覺得會稍微的會\n\n26\n00:09:35,441 --> 00:09:40,965\n目前在可行性是沒有進入高雄市區,目前是沒有。對,所以就是說是不是可以,因為我們原高雄市區人口眾多\n\n27\n00:10:04,161 --> 00:10:19,990\n那因為高雄市區我認為你至少要一或二個高鐵站再進來就像台北我說台北有三核心高雄現在只有一核心啦你這樣只有一核心那個感覺上你往後看50年我是覺得這樣子的思考是不夠的\n\n28\n00:10:21,179 --> 00:10:37,409\n現在這樣就是說如果要進入市區當然第一個是進來的這個施工期施工的對於市區的影響那當然我們也可以從很多新的工法比如說前頓工法等等來避免第二個是我覺得面臨最大是拆遷\n\n29\n00:10:39,290 --> 00:11:05,739\n我覺得拆遷這個課題就是說現在沒有進去這個不拆遷等進來拆遷對於這個市民有沒有辦法接受所以我覺得這個需要一個包括市政府跟可能當地市民溝通的一個過程這是一個大的概念就是說要做一個整體的統合的思考我們再看下一張我們盡快時間已經到了你看我們的台鐵新左營站跟台鐵藍紙站那\n\n30\n00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:22,911\n奧進去了這個紅線的捷運的部分南子產業園區的部分將來所有的台積電進駐跟他的所有的產業鏈進駐通通在這裡只靠一個捷運紅線你想一想到時候這邊會急死啊\n\n31\n00:11:25,223 --> 00:11:41,502\n所以就是說這裡是不是有機會我們台鐵既然我們的藍紫百慕島這邊要立體化對不對是不是就是可以在解決藍紫百慕島的問題的同時在中間再設一站藍紫產業園區的台鐵站\n\n32\n00:11:43,624 --> 00:11:57,198\n那我們鳳山人如果再到台積電上班啊﹖或者是屏東人到台積電上班啊﹖他就可以直接坐台鐵﹖就直接坐到楠梓產業園去這邊下車﹖他就不用再轉車﹖那就差一個站﹖那有沒有可能這裡就是說﹖\n\n33\n00:11:59,699 --> 00:12:21,540\n來增加這個部分現在那個高雄市政府沒有補助一個可行性的經費給他他正在做這是王北營生男子的這樣的一個鐵路高架化的這個可行性研究這個由他們在可行性裡面評估是不是要增加通勤車站我想這部分我們會跟高雄市政府提出來以後我們跟他做一些討論\n\n34\n00:12:22,341 --> 00:12:49,311\n我想最後一個結論因為時間到了主席站起來了那個我們看一下就是說整個高雄市未來的所有的交通的規劃除了剛才我們講的飛機的航班跟評估希望部長跟民航局督促我們一起來努力規劃的更多更好之外那我們的鐵路就包括高鐵包括台鐵包括捷運我想這些東西\n\n35\n00:12:50,111 --> 00:13:18,196\n不要一段一段啦那比如說我再舉個例子就我們的高鐵假設是左營一個核心再加上高雄跟鳳山兩個就變成三個核心那如果剛剛局長那個部長提到就是說在這個設計規劃上也許人民會有不同的意見那有沒有可能配合我們現在捷運黃線要搭要蓋嘛對不對也是要挖地下嘛那我如果把高鐵接捷運黃線如果說我再接一個衛委員\n\n36\n00:13:19,793 --> 00:13:49,493\n假設啦你如果三核心高雄車站那邊有困難或風扇車站有困難那你就如果說左營直接交到衛委員這樣子就雙核心這樣子一個思考搭配現在黃線的思考是不是也有機會也就是說請部長做一下比較更通盤的考量啦那可能一個方案兩個方案三個方案是不是做一下也作為交通部做一下評估讓我們以高雄50年後的發展可以讓他走得更順暢走得更好\n\n37\n00:13:50,695 --> 00:13:55,588\n進入高雄市區的方案我們來研究一下拜託部長做一個整體的思考跟規劃\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4644\t8947\t謝謝趙偉,我們先請明堂局長請明堂局何局長何局長局長那個\n33732\t55527\t我們桃園機場塞機,我想機長應該很清楚我一個助理從那個召喚回來就耽擱了3個小時那桃園機場這個跑道維修也是事先就知道的事那這些事情為什麼不能事先防範呢所以呢我想\n57469\t83877\t我們要替高雄再做一次的呼籲你提早規劃到我們高雄的航班應該就可以少掉這些問題為什麼不能處理呢對我先舉個例子你看我們高雄非日本非韓國的載客率都比桃園機場還高所以我們就覺得說為什麼那邊塞的鑰匙這邊沒有航班來\n85698\t107596\t按這個事先可以規劃的事為什麼不規劃呢所以呢我想我們你看日韓的日本航線剛才我們高雄呢航班比我們高雄多8倍所以這個是非常嚴重的問題我要替我們高雄喊一下就是非常的我們看了覺得非常的不平我們看下一頁\n109302\t132183\t事實上交通部所做的事我們也要表示肯定就是說桃園到布拉格、高雄到新加坡、沖繩包括我們的高雄到茨城的航班高雄到靜岡我們現在是獨飛的航線那到首爾、金浦、越南、香港等有很多的廉價航空\n134425\t159076\t包括新加坡沖繩這個也謝謝啦那我們也就是說其實高雄並不是沒有潛力那我們也希望說交通部多重視高雄民航局多重視高雄能夠讓我們高雄的班機可以盡快到位我們再看下一頁我們高雄爭取的航線我們先講就是321\n161109\t166128\t九州的我們現在北海道的紮網從去年講了到現在還沒有完成\n167576\t196188\t那九州熊本事實上熊本市跟我們高雄市姐妹是我們兩個城市非常的好熊本市長也都到高雄兩三次了那結果都沒有直飛的航班那包括韓國的濟州早所以呢這個部分日韓的航線比我們高雄多8倍那我們的載客率又比桃園還要高所以是不是這個地方可以盡快來做一個調整讓我們高雄有更多的航班\n197508\t216841\t當然就是馬祖蘭干他有困難度但是我們還是希望再要求美國洛杉磯事實上可以看到這個很多班次很多班次現在一個月好像300多班而且在增加中那為什麼一直都沒有機會去做一個大部分的調整\n217902\t236889\t包括我們觀光局現在改成觀光署也新設了好幾個辦事處像我們的雅加達甚至釜山甚至孟買現在因為觀光局升格為觀光署那剩下很多的辦事處但是正在這些辦事處相對的航班都沒有調整\n238308\t252369\t所以我也再一次的呼籲就是我們高雄飛印尼事實上這是可以直飛的比如每一次高雄人都一定要租車勞頓到桃園那另外當然印度你看這個十幾億的人口因為我們竟然沒有直飛\n253950\t280089\t當然這個部分是不是規劃桃園先行我們也不會說高雄先行這整個台灣做考量桃園先行這我們是可以考慮的但是總是要設計這樣子一個直飛的路線所以這個航線的規劃我們也知道現在就是我們的那個高雄機場也在改建當中所以我是不是可以具體的就是要求就是民航局\n281909\t290398\t跟交通部是不是可以做一個盡快的調整以及不然你就替我們高雄的所有的宅客做一個書面報告、評估報告這樣子OK嗎?\n294229\t319849\t想跟委員報告確實在高雄這邊的航班恢復其實根據我們的統計基本上如果扣除大陸然後還有日本因為他地勤因素等等恢復比較慢有恢復的我都知道啦我現在就是說我看到這個塞機覺得心痛啦要怎麼樣去調整現在已經有調整了那我們也感謝啦我現在就是我們要求的像熊本、雜黃、濟州島\n323052\t330270\t這個我們因應的盼竊嘛因應期盼嘛但是還那個看不到我們希望的成果\n331124\t360003\t我想日本的部分就剛剛講他恢復的比較慢因為主要是受限於他們的地勤的代理的量能尤其熊本這一邊也是一樣那至於韓國東南亞其實已經都恢復到95%那當然...沒關係因為我時間有限你就...你的解釋我大概都聽過了之前也都解釋過了那能夠調配的就請民航局盡快跟華航或者是日本相關的地方就是盡快做調配\n361324\t364946\t下一張這個圖片是哪裡你知道嗎?臺灣機場部長知道我們高雄好像沒有這一種\n389445\t389605\t目前的規劃\n410225\t419844\t我們在檢討,因為桃園機場是24小時的機場是啦,24小時就比較不用住啊我們那個中間正好有那個消遣時間正好住進來正好啊\n421687\t448052\t因為高雄比較多是區域線的啦,他可能進來...所以就是因為你航班規劃的不夠才會變成區域線嘛所以你如果規劃的...所以我就要求是說那個部長有聽到啦所以民航局做一個整體的我們的運量跟這些航班的調配那包括像這一種交通旅館現在都已經要新蓋為什麼不把它設計進去呢難道我們永遠就是要當作宵禁所以很多班次就不來所以就算了嗎\n451479\t465629\t所以高雄過境江南旅館我覺得是必要的要把它一起思考進來然後就整個將來南北的調配我希望說棉行局跟交通部可以做一下規劃好不好好我們現在請部長請王部長委員好部長都有聽到啦剛剛讓你休息一下主要就是說現在你起來就說好就好\n482130\t488208\t就是說那個高雄有宵禁嘛那晚上太晚就睡覺了家長離館隔天再走這樣\n489412\t489592\t好﹖好\n518160\t519881\t部長,我們高雄的交通真的是也要看得很長遠啦\n546311\t572750\t我想到底像台北,台北其實它的高鐵它有三個核心就是台北車站、板橋車站跟南港車站它是東西跟包括原的縣區都有那我們高雄現在只有一個左營左營將來你在像看往後50年恐怕它的運量都會集中在左營那很可怕的那整個南高雄呢我覺得會稍微的會\n575441\t580965\t目前在可行性是沒有進入高雄市區,目前是沒有。對,所以就是說是不是可以,因為我們原高雄市區人口眾多\n604161\t619990\t那因為高雄市區我認為你至少要一或二個高鐵站再進來就像台北我說台北有三核心高雄現在只有一核心啦你這樣只有一核心那個感覺上你往後看50年我是覺得這樣子的思考是不夠的\n621179\t637409\t現在這樣就是說如果要進入市區當然第一個是進來的這個施工期施工的對於市區的影響那當然我們也可以從很多新的工法比如說前頓工法等等來避免第二個是我覺得面臨最大是拆遷\n639290\t665739\t我覺得拆遷這個課題就是說現在沒有進去這個不拆遷等進來拆遷對於這個市民有沒有辦法接受所以我覺得這個需要一個包括市政府跟可能當地市民溝通的一個過程這是一個大的概念就是說要做一個整體的統合的思考我們再看下一張我們盡快時間已經到了你看我們的台鐵新左營站跟台鐵藍紙站那\n667300\t682911\t奧進去了這個紅線的捷運的部分南子產業園區的部分將來所有的台積電進駐跟他的所有的產業鏈進駐通通在這裡只靠一個捷運紅線你想一想到時候這邊會急死啊\n685223\t701502\t所以就是說這裡是不是有機會我們台鐵既然我們的藍紫百慕島這邊要立體化對不對是不是就是可以在解決藍紫百慕島的問題的同時在中間再設一站藍紫產業園區的台鐵站\n703624\t717198\t那我們鳳山人如果再到台積電上班啊﹖或者是屏東人到台積電上班啊﹖他就可以直接坐台鐵﹖就直接坐到楠梓產業園去這邊下車﹖他就不用再轉車﹖那就差一個站﹖那有沒有可能這裡就是說﹖\n719699\t741540\t來增加這個部分現在那個高雄市政府沒有補助一個可行性的經費給他他正在做這是王北營生男子的這樣的一個鐵路高架化的這個可行性研究這個由他們在可行性裡面評估是不是要增加通勤車站我想這部分我們會跟高雄市政府提出來以後我們跟他做一些討論\n742341\t769311\t我想最後一個結論因為時間到了主席站起來了那個我們看一下就是說整個高雄市未來的所有的交通的規劃除了剛才我們講的飛機的航班跟評估希望部長跟民航局督促我們一起來努力規劃的更多更好之外那我們的鐵路就包括高鐵包括台鐵包括捷運我想這些東西\n770111\t798196\t不要一段一段啦那比如說我再舉個例子就我們的高鐵假設是左營一個核心再加上高雄跟鳳山兩個就變成三個核心那如果剛剛局長那個部長提到就是說在這個設計規劃上也許人民會有不同的意見那有沒有可能配合我們現在捷運黃線要搭要蓋嘛對不對也是要挖地下嘛那我如果把高鐵接捷運黃線如果說我再接一個衛委員\n799793\t829493\t假設啦你如果三核心高雄車站那邊有困難或風扇車站有困難那你就如果說左營直接交到衛委員這樣子就雙核心這樣子一個思考搭配現在黃線的思考是不是也有機會也就是說請部長做一下比較更通盤的考量啦那可能一個方案兩個方案三個方案是不是做一下也作為交通部做一下評估讓我們以高雄50年後的發展可以讓他走得更順暢走得更好\n830695\t835588\t進入高雄市區的方案我們來研究一下拜託部長做一個整體的思考跟規劃\n","txt":"謝謝趙偉,我們先請明堂局長請明堂局何局長何局長局長那個\n我們桃園機場塞機,我想機長應該很清楚我一個助理從那個召喚回來就耽擱了3個小時那桃園機場這個跑道維修也是事先就知道的事那這些事情為什麼不能事先防範呢所以呢我想\n我們要替高雄再做一次的呼籲你提早規劃到我們高雄的航班應該就可以少掉這些問題為什麼不能處理呢對我先舉個例子你看我們高雄非日本非韓國的載客率都比桃園機場還高所以我們就覺得說為什麼那邊塞的鑰匙這邊沒有航班來\n按這個事先可以規劃的事為什麼不規劃呢所以呢我想我們你看日韓的日本航線剛才我們高雄呢航班比我們高雄多8倍所以這個是非常嚴重的問題我要替我們高雄喊一下就是非常的我們看了覺得非常的不平我們看下一頁\n事實上交通部所做的事我們也要表示肯定就是說桃園到布拉格、高雄到新加坡、沖繩包括我們的高雄到茨城的航班高雄到靜岡我們現在是獨飛的航線那到首爾、金浦、越南、香港等有很多的廉價航空\n包括新加坡沖繩這個也謝謝啦那我們也就是說其實高雄並不是沒有潛力那我們也希望說交通部多重視高雄民航局多重視高雄能夠讓我們高雄的班機可以盡快到位我們再看下一頁我們高雄爭取的航線我們先講就是321\n九州的我們現在北海道的紮網從去年講了到現在還沒有完成\n那九州熊本事實上熊本市跟我們高雄市姐妹是我們兩個城市非常的好熊本市長也都到高雄兩三次了那結果都沒有直飛的航班那包括韓國的濟州早所以呢這個部分日韓的航線比我們高雄多8倍那我們的載客率又比桃園還要高所以是不是這個地方可以盡快來做一個調整讓我們高雄有更多的航班\n當然就是馬祖蘭干他有困難度但是我們還是希望再要求美國洛杉磯事實上可以看到這個很多班次很多班次現在一個月好像300多班而且在增加中那為什麼一直都沒有機會去做一個大部分的調整\n包括我們觀光局現在改成觀光署也新設了好幾個辦事處像我們的雅加達甚至釜山甚至孟買現在因為觀光局升格為觀光署那剩下很多的辦事處但是正在這些辦事處相對的航班都沒有調整\n所以我也再一次的呼籲就是我們高雄飛印尼事實上這是可以直飛的比如每一次高雄人都一定要租車勞頓到桃園那另外當然印度你看這個十幾億的人口因為我們竟然沒有直飛\n當然這個部分是不是規劃桃園先行我們也不會說高雄先行這整個台灣做考量桃園先行這我們是可以考慮的但是總是要設計這樣子一個直飛的路線所以這個航線的規劃我們也知道現在就是我們的那個高雄機場也在改建當中所以我是不是可以具體的就是要求就是民航局\n跟交通部是不是可以做一個盡快的調整以及不然你就替我們高雄的所有的宅客做一個書面報告、評估報告這樣子OK嗎?\n想跟委員報告確實在高雄這邊的航班恢復其實根據我們的統計基本上如果扣除大陸然後還有日本因為他地勤因素等等恢復比較慢有恢復的我都知道啦我現在就是說我看到這個塞機覺得心痛啦要怎麼樣去調整現在已經有調整了那我們也感謝啦我現在就是我們要求的像熊本、雜黃、濟州島\n這個我們因應的盼竊嘛因應期盼嘛但是還那個看不到我們希望的成果\n我想日本的部分就剛剛講他恢復的比較慢因為主要是受限於他們的地勤的代理的量能尤其熊本這一邊也是一樣那至於韓國東南亞其實已經都恢復到95%那當然...沒關係因為我時間有限你就...你的解釋我大概都聽過了之前也都解釋過了那能夠調配的就請民航局盡快跟華航或者是日本相關的地方就是盡快做調配\n下一張這個圖片是哪裡你知道嗎?臺灣機場部長知道我們高雄好像沒有這一種\n目前的規劃\n我們在檢討,因為桃園機場是24小時的機場是啦,24小時就比較不用住啊我們那個中間正好有那個消遣時間正好住進來正好啊\n因為高雄比較多是區域線的啦,他可能進來...所以就是因為你航班規劃的不夠才會變成區域線嘛所以你如果規劃的...所以我就要求是說那個部長有聽到啦所以民航局做一個整體的我們的運量跟這些航班的調配那包括像這一種交通旅館現在都已經要新蓋為什麼不把它設計進去呢難道我們永遠就是要當作宵禁所以很多班次就不來所以就算了嗎\n所以高雄過境江南旅館我覺得是必要的要把它一起思考進來然後就整個將來南北的調配我希望說棉行局跟交通部可以做一下規劃好不好好我們現在請部長請王部長委員好部長都有聽到啦剛剛讓你休息一下主要就是說現在你起來就說好就好\n就是說那個高雄有宵禁嘛那晚上太晚就睡覺了家長離館隔天再走這樣\n好﹖好\n部長,我們高雄的交通真的是也要看得很長遠啦\n我想到底像台北,台北其實它的高鐵它有三個核心就是台北車站、板橋車站跟南港車站它是東西跟包括原的縣區都有那我們高雄現在只有一個左營左營將來你在像看往後50年恐怕它的運量都會集中在左營那很可怕的那整個南高雄呢我覺得會稍微的會\n目前在可行性是沒有進入高雄市區,目前是沒有。對,所以就是說是不是可以,因為我們原高雄市區人口眾多\n那因為高雄市區我認為你至少要一或二個高鐵站再進來就像台北我說台北有三核心高雄現在只有一核心啦你這樣只有一核心那個感覺上你往後看50年我是覺得這樣子的思考是不夠的\n現在這樣就是說如果要進入市區當然第一個是進來的這個施工期施工的對於市區的影響那當然我們也可以從很多新的工法比如說前頓工法等等來避免第二個是我覺得面臨最大是拆遷\n我覺得拆遷這個課題就是說現在沒有進去這個不拆遷等進來拆遷對於這個市民有沒有辦法接受所以我覺得這個需要一個包括市政府跟可能當地市民溝通的一個過程這是一個大的概念就是說要做一個整體的統合的思考我們再看下一張我們盡快時間已經到了你看我們的台鐵新左營站跟台鐵藍紙站那\n奧進去了這個紅線的捷運的部分南子產業園區的部分將來所有的台積電進駐跟他的所有的產業鏈進駐通通在這裡只靠一個捷運紅線你想一想到時候這邊會急死啊\n所以就是說這裡是不是有機會我們台鐵既然我們的藍紫百慕島這邊要立體化對不對是不是就是可以在解決藍紫百慕島的問題的同時在中間再設一站藍紫產業園區的台鐵站\n那我們鳳山人如果再到台積電上班啊﹖或者是屏東人到台積電上班啊﹖他就可以直接坐台鐵﹖就直接坐到楠梓產業園去這邊下車﹖他就不用再轉車﹖那就差一個站﹖那有沒有可能這裡就是說﹖\n來增加這個部分現在那個高雄市政府沒有補助一個可行性的經費給他他正在做這是王北營生男子的這樣的一個鐵路高架化的這個可行性研究這個由他們在可行性裡面評估是不是要增加通勤車站我想這部分我們會跟高雄市政府提出來以後我們跟他做一些討論\n我想最後一個結論因為時間到了主席站起來了那個我們看一下就是說整個高雄市未來的所有的交通的規劃除了剛才我們講的飛機的航班跟評估希望部長跟民航局督促我們一起來努力規劃的更多更好之外那我們的鐵路就包括高鐵包括台鐵包括捷運我想這些東西\n不要一段一段啦那比如說我再舉個例子就我們的高鐵假設是左營一個核心再加上高雄跟鳳山兩個就變成三個核心那如果剛剛局長那個部長提到就是說在這個設計規劃上也許人民會有不同的意見那有沒有可能配合我們現在捷運黃線要搭要蓋嘛對不對也是要挖地下嘛那我如果把高鐵接捷運黃線如果說我再接一個衛委員\n假設啦你如果三核心高雄車站那邊有困難或風扇車站有困難那你就如果說左營直接交到衛委員這樣子就雙核心這樣子一個思考搭配現在黃線的思考是不是也有機會也就是說請部長做一下比較更通盤的考量啦那可能一個方案兩個方案三個方案是不是做一下也作為交通部做一下評估讓我們以高雄50年後的發展可以讓他走得更順暢走得更好\n進入高雄市區的方案我們來研究一下拜託部長做一個整體的思考跟規劃\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.644 --> 00:08.947\n謝謝趙偉,我們先請明堂局長請明堂局何局長何局長局長那個\n\n00:33.732 --> 00:55.527\n我們桃園機場塞機,我想機長應該很清楚我一個助理從那個召喚回來就耽擱了3個小時那桃園機場這個跑道維修也是事先就知道的事那這些事情為什麼不能事先防範呢所以呢我想\n\n00:57.469 --> 01:23.877\n我們要替高雄再做一次的呼籲你提早規劃到我們高雄的航班應該就可以少掉這些問題為什麼不能處理呢對我先舉個例子你看我們高雄非日本非韓國的載客率都比桃園機場還高所以我們就覺得說為什麼那邊塞的鑰匙這邊沒有航班來\n\n01:25.698 --> 01:47.596\n按這個事先可以規劃的事為什麼不規劃呢所以呢我想我們你看日韓的日本航線剛才我們高雄呢航班比我們高雄多8倍所以這個是非常嚴重的問題我要替我們高雄喊一下就是非常的我們看了覺得非常的不平我們看下一頁\n\n01:49.302 --> 02:12.183\n事實上交通部所做的事我們也要表示肯定就是說桃園到布拉格、高雄到新加坡、沖繩包括我們的高雄到茨城的航班高雄到靜岡我們現在是獨飛的航線那到首爾、金浦、越南、香港等有很多的廉價航空\n\n02:14.425 --> 02:39.076\n包括新加坡沖繩這個也謝謝啦那我們也就是說其實高雄並不是沒有潛力那我們也希望說交通部多重視高雄民航局多重視高雄能夠讓我們高雄的班機可以盡快到位我們再看下一頁我們高雄爭取的航線我們先講就是321\n\n02:41.109 --> 02:46.128\n九州的我們現在北海道的紮網從去年講了到現在還沒有完成\n\n02:47.576 --> 03:16.188\n那九州熊本事實上熊本市跟我們高雄市姐妹是我們兩個城市非常的好熊本市長也都到高雄兩三次了那結果都沒有直飛的航班那包括韓國的濟州早所以呢這個部分日韓的航線比我們高雄多8倍那我們的載客率又比桃園還要高所以是不是這個地方可以盡快來做一個調整讓我們高雄有更多的航班\n\n03:17.508 --> 03:36.841\n當然就是馬祖蘭干他有困難度但是我們還是希望再要求美國洛杉磯事實上可以看到這個很多班次很多班次現在一個月好像300多班而且在增加中那為什麼一直都沒有機會去做一個大部分的調整\n\n03:37.902 --> 03:56.889\n包括我們觀光局現在改成觀光署也新設了好幾個辦事處像我們的雅加達甚至釜山甚至孟買現在因為觀光局升格為觀光署那剩下很多的辦事處但是正在這些辦事處相對的航班都沒有調整\n\n03:58.308 --> 04:12.369\n所以我也再一次的呼籲就是我們高雄飛印尼事實上這是可以直飛的比如每一次高雄人都一定要租車勞頓到桃園那另外當然印度你看這個十幾億的人口因為我們竟然沒有直飛\n\n04:13.950 --> 04:40.089\n當然這個部分是不是規劃桃園先行我們也不會說高雄先行這整個台灣做考量桃園先行這我們是可以考慮的但是總是要設計這樣子一個直飛的路線所以這個航線的規劃我們也知道現在就是我們的那個高雄機場也在改建當中所以我是不是可以具體的就是要求就是民航局\n\n04:41.909 --> 04:50.398\n跟交通部是不是可以做一個盡快的調整以及不然你就替我們高雄的所有的宅客做一個書面報告、評估報告這樣子OK嗎?\n\n04:54.229 --> 05:19.849\n想跟委員報告確實在高雄這邊的航班恢復其實根據我們的統計基本上如果扣除大陸然後還有日本因為他地勤因素等等恢復比較慢有恢復的我都知道啦我現在就是說我看到這個塞機覺得心痛啦要怎麼樣去調整現在已經有調整了那我們也感謝啦我現在就是我們要求的像熊本、雜黃、濟州島\n\n05:23.052 --> 05:30.270\n這個我們因應的盼竊嘛因應期盼嘛但是還那個看不到我們希望的成果\n\n05:31.124 --> 06:00.003\n我想日本的部分就剛剛講他恢復的比較慢因為主要是受限於他們的地勤的代理的量能尤其熊本這一邊也是一樣那至於韓國東南亞其實已經都恢復到95%那當然...沒關係因為我時間有限你就...你的解釋我大概都聽過了之前也都解釋過了那能夠調配的就請民航局盡快跟華航或者是日本相關的地方就是盡快做調配\n\n06:01.324 --> 06:04.946\n下一張這個圖片是哪裡你知道嗎?臺灣機場部長知道我們高雄好像沒有這一種\n\n06:29.445 --> 06:29.605\n目前的規劃\n\n06:50.225 --> 06:59.844\n我們在檢討,因為桃園機場是24小時的機場是啦,24小時就比較不用住啊我們那個中間正好有那個消遣時間正好住進來正好啊\n\n07:01.687 --> 07:28.052\n因為高雄比較多是區域線的啦,他可能進來...所以就是因為你航班規劃的不夠才會變成區域線嘛所以你如果規劃的...所以我就要求是說那個部長有聽到啦所以民航局做一個整體的我們的運量跟這些航班的調配那包括像這一種交通旅館現在都已經要新蓋為什麼不把它設計進去呢難道我們永遠就是要當作宵禁所以很多班次就不來所以就算了嗎\n\n07:31.479 --> 07:45.629\n所以高雄過境江南旅館我覺得是必要的要把它一起思考進來然後就整個將來南北的調配我希望說棉行局跟交通部可以做一下規劃好不好好我們現在請部長請王部長委員好部長都有聽到啦剛剛讓你休息一下主要就是說現在你起來就說好就好\n\n08:02.130 --> 08:08.208\n就是說那個高雄有宵禁嘛那晚上太晚就睡覺了家長離館隔天再走這樣\n\n08:09.412 --> 08:09.592\n好﹖好\n\n08:38.160 --> 08:39.881\n部長,我們高雄的交通真的是也要看得很長遠啦\n\n09:06.311 --> 09:32.750\n我想到底像台北,台北其實它的高鐵它有三個核心就是台北車站、板橋車站跟南港車站它是東西跟包括原的縣區都有那我們高雄現在只有一個左營左營將來你在像看往後50年恐怕它的運量都會集中在左營那很可怕的那整個南高雄呢我覺得會稍微的會\n\n09:35.441 --> 09:40.965\n目前在可行性是沒有進入高雄市區,目前是沒有。對,所以就是說是不是可以,因為我們原高雄市區人口眾多\n\n10:04.161 --> 10:19.990\n那因為高雄市區我認為你至少要一或二個高鐵站再進來就像台北我說台北有三核心高雄現在只有一核心啦你這樣只有一核心那個感覺上你往後看50年我是覺得這樣子的思考是不夠的\n\n10:21.179 --> 10:37.409\n現在這樣就是說如果要進入市區當然第一個是進來的這個施工期施工的對於市區的影響那當然我們也可以從很多新的工法比如說前頓工法等等來避免第二個是我覺得面臨最大是拆遷\n\n10:39.290 --> 11:05.739\n我覺得拆遷這個課題就是說現在沒有進去這個不拆遷等進來拆遷對於這個市民有沒有辦法接受所以我覺得這個需要一個包括市政府跟可能當地市民溝通的一個過程這是一個大的概念就是說要做一個整體的統合的思考我們再看下一張我們盡快時間已經到了你看我們的台鐵新左營站跟台鐵藍紙站那\n\n11:07.300 --> 11:22.911\n奧進去了這個紅線的捷運的部分南子產業園區的部分將來所有的台積電進駐跟他的所有的產業鏈進駐通通在這裡只靠一個捷運紅線你想一想到時候這邊會急死啊\n\n11:25.223 --> 11:41.502\n所以就是說這裡是不是有機會我們台鐵既然我們的藍紫百慕島這邊要立體化對不對是不是就是可以在解決藍紫百慕島的問題的同時在中間再設一站藍紫產業園區的台鐵站\n\n11:43.624 --> 11:57.198\n那我們鳳山人如果再到台積電上班啊﹖或者是屏東人到台積電上班啊﹖他就可以直接坐台鐵﹖就直接坐到楠梓產業園去這邊下車﹖他就不用再轉車﹖那就差一個站﹖那有沒有可能這裡就是說﹖\n\n11:59.699 --> 12:21.540\n來增加這個部分現在那個高雄市政府沒有補助一個可行性的經費給他他正在做這是王北營生男子的這樣的一個鐵路高架化的這個可行性研究這個由他們在可行性裡面評估是不是要增加通勤車站我想這部分我們會跟高雄市政府提出來以後我們跟他做一些討論\n\n12:22.341 --> 12:49.311\n我想最後一個結論因為時間到了主席站起來了那個我們看一下就是說整個高雄市未來的所有的交通的規劃除了剛才我們講的飛機的航班跟評估希望部長跟民航局督促我們一起來努力規劃的更多更好之外那我們的鐵路就包括高鐵包括台鐵包括捷運我想這些東西\n\n12:50.111 --> 13:18.196\n不要一段一段啦那比如說我再舉個例子就我們的高鐵假設是左營一個核心再加上高雄跟鳳山兩個就變成三個核心那如果剛剛局長那個部長提到就是說在這個設計規劃上也許人民會有不同的意見那有沒有可能配合我們現在捷運黃線要搭要蓋嘛對不對也是要挖地下嘛那我如果把高鐵接捷運黃線如果說我再接一個衛委員\n\n13:19.793 --> 13:49.493\n假設啦你如果三核心高雄車站那邊有困難或風扇車站有困難那你就如果說左營直接交到衛委員這樣子就雙核心這樣子一個思考搭配現在黃線的思考是不是也有機會也就是說請部長做一下比較更通盤的考量啦那可能一個方案兩個方案三個方案是不是做一下也作為交通部做一下評估讓我們以高雄50年後的發展可以讓他走得更順暢走得更好\n\n13:50.695 --> 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