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--> 00:01:30,064\n也差不多啦反正還是差蠻多的啦那從2008年開始我們從開放的入客來台旅遊所以入客成為旅遊業重要的收入來源那在入客為基本保障的情況之下那全世界來台灣旅遊的人次是年年逐步升高在什麼時候達到高峰\n\n5\n00:01:32,659 --> 00:01:59,107\n報告委員我們的高峰應該是在2019年對2019年但後來就碰上疫情但是如果將出入境總和2800多萬人次兩岸航線的人次就有800萬人次那佔航空業4成營收也就佔旅行業三分之一到四分之一的營收所以比重其實是非常高的對不對\n\n6\n00:02:01,508 --> 00:02:25,740\n是那台灣有旅行社4000家有九成有發團到大陸那陸客也是過去也是台灣最大的客源所以當然是很重要的市場那現在對於旅行社來講我們的陸客團其實也是旅行社很大的很重要的收入嘛對不對報告委員根據我們的調查台灣的旅行社是大概4038家\n\n7\n00:02:27,501 --> 00:02:48,462\n那依據這個統計的資料有經營這個陸客團的是大概是1044家那如果說比重比重在5層以上的話大概是404家所以影響也是相當有嘛對不對如果說是以比重50%以上的旅行社的話大概是一層左右\n\n8\n00:02:49,062 --> 00:03:12,654\n所以我要特別講就是說陸客其實在過去對我們台灣我們的國內旅遊市場2019年之前它其實是非常重要的一個我們講的收入來源那實際上對於旅行社它當然不只是整個旅行業來講不只是國內它也包括大陸的部分也是旅行社重要的收入可是現在你會發現說\n\n9\n00:03:14,235 --> 00:03:30,617\n你現在我們的整個來台旅遊的人數不斷的減少那第一個對旅行業者的衝擊當然就會出現嘛對不對那我想請問齁那台灣不能帶團過去也不能帶團過來造成的業者的巨大的經濟損失\n\n10\n00:03:32,817 --> 00:04:00,083\n請問我們有沒有相應的客人可以補得上?該委員就說明事實上這個疫後之後整個市場是有一些的變化那像我們國人到其他旅行目的地去旅遊的話那分別是今天我們調查是日本然後再來就是韓國、越南、泰國等等所以他的那個旅遊的市場其實有一些的變化\n\n11\n00:04:01,203 --> 00:04:03,585\n實際上有時候我們來看我們觀光成效跟鄰近的國家來相比那像鄰近包括日本在去年就已經回復到疫情前的旅遊業的榮景\n\n12\n00:04:25,822 --> 00:04:27,763\n目前臺灣準備好了嗎?目前到底我們的目標是什麼?\n\n13\n00:04:48,837 --> 00:05:04,708\n我們的目標到底萊克的目標是多少跟委員做個報告我們目標大概是在千萬能夠達到一千萬以上的達得到嗎我們有信心有信心那也剩下這個九個月時間左右對不對\n\n14\n00:05:06,249 --> 00:05:29,680\n那我想看看上個禮拜我們交通部長王國才部長的說法他說期待今年入客能來同時也要將日本韓國東南亞旅客作為今年的重點還有印度市場也是要努力的目標那我想請問你我目前看到的數據不只是入客沒辦法連日本客成效也沒有很亮眼\n\n15\n00:05:30,882 --> 00:05:36,447\n那我想請問那你現在兩岸之間上綱的政治衝突這麼大結果你發現我們當然東牆垮了可是事實上我們也找不到西牆來補啊但是你又那麼信心滿滿說你能夠達到千萬目標因為事實上之前你的目標是一千兩百萬啊不是嗎對不對那現在保守一點變一千萬當場少了兩百萬啊\n\n16\n00:05:54,909 --> 00:06:13,876\n那我想請問你會不會到年底你的目標又更保守了因為現在現實的狀況你就看到事實上我們目前來看的話台灣的旅行業者就面臨兩邊的為難嘛那你今天說不准入團到大陸去其實某種程度我認為是也是對旅行業者的一個懲罰不是嗎\n\n17\n00:06:16,145 --> 00:06:27,030\n因為那個是奧邦我們當然是很希望說世界上各個國家能夠來到台灣因為他這樣對台灣的消費他的一個才有貢獻\n\n18\n00:06:28,277 --> 00:06:52,745\n所以像我們說國外的旅遊啊那個旅客如果覺得台灣的旅遊品質沒有達到預期那或者同樣的價格沒有有更好的選擇那就會造成說今天不把台灣列為第一選擇嘛這種情形是存在的嘛對不對這個我們一直在努力可是我看到你們這個我們政府的說法就直接推給說國內的旅館的價格太高啊是這樣推的嗎\n\n19\n00:06:55,653 --> 00:07:07,629\n其實這個旅館的價格是市場的機制那在平日的部分的話其實蠻多的旅館的價格事實上我也看到我們有一些關於旅遊方面的一些評論人他講到說\n\n20\n00:07:10,673 --> 00:07:29,865\n這個顯示出你像其他國家在疫情後他的不然國內國外的旅遊尤其國內旅遊蓬勃發展跟他疫情期間趁著所謂的疫情期間來客少做了很多的一些觀光方面的一些改造跟規劃是有關的\n\n21\n00:07:30,646 --> 00:07:39,381\n所以它不會是一個單一說旅館的昂貴不昂貴的因素而是今天你能不能產生更好的性價比來去吸引觀光的來客\n\n22\n00:07:40,461 --> 00:08:06,309\n所以我今天要問就是說那事實上以目前來看就是說我如果我不能夠調整我們國內旅遊觀光的品質跟提高這個性價比你先不要講說吸引來客我們台灣自己的國人在旅遊的選項上如果我們的性價比不夠的話他會選擇留在國內還是到國外去是剛剛委員就有一個報告那委員剛剛所提的我非常贊同\n\n23\n00:08:06,869 --> 00:08:28,602\n所以這個在國內旅遊的人次的部分也是我們一直努力的重點那根據我們的調查我們去年的一個國旅的人次我最後講一個就是說網路上最有流傳的梗圖就是說公司預算減少所以員工旅遊從墾丁改成日本你不覺得這樣的梗圖非常的對我們的政府是個很大的羞辱嗎\n\n24\n00:08:30,183 --> 00:08:30,303\n羅智強委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4346\t33648\t主席有請交通部觀光署有請副署長謝謝委員好副署長好我們今天雖然安排的是赴陸旅遊團停招的專案報告但本席想要先了解的是對於來台旅遊的旅客人數觀光署今年是有什麼樣的規劃才能夠回到過去的榮景\n35963\t56455\t報告委員,我們在112年來臺的旅客是648萬。我們今年希望能夠恢復到千萬人次。所以針對像端北亞,尤其是日韓的市場,以及西南向的國家市場,這邊我們會加足力道來做一個宣傳。\n58345\t65896\t我目前就是您說的是648萬大概是疫情前的一半而已應該是超過一半\n66950\t90064\t也差不多啦反正還是差蠻多的啦那從2008年開始我們從開放的入客來台旅遊所以入客成為旅遊業重要的收入來源那在入客為基本保障的情況之下那全世界來台灣旅遊的人次是年年逐步升高在什麼時候達到高峰\n92659\t119107\t報告委員我們的高峰應該是在2019年對2019年但後來就碰上疫情但是如果將出入境總和2800多萬人次兩岸航線的人次就有800萬人次那佔航空業4成營收也就佔旅行業三分之一到四分之一的營收所以比重其實是非常高的對不對\n121508\t145740\t是那台灣有旅行社4000家有九成有發團到大陸那陸客也是過去也是台灣最大的客源所以當然是很重要的市場那現在對於旅行社來講我們的陸客團其實也是旅行社很大的很重要的收入嘛對不對報告委員根據我們的調查台灣的旅行社是大概4038家\n147501\t168462\t那依據這個統計的資料有經營這個陸客團的是大概是1044家那如果說比重比重在5層以上的話大概是404家所以影響也是相當有嘛對不對如果說是以比重50%以上的旅行社的話大概是一層左右\n169062\t192654\t所以我要特別講就是說 陸客其實在過去對我們台灣我們的國內旅遊市場2019年之前它其實是非常重要的一個我們講的收入來源那實際上對於旅行社它當然不只是整個旅行業來講不只是國內它也包括大陸的部分也是旅行社重要的收入可是現在你會發現說\n194235\t210617\t你現在我們的整個來台旅遊的人數不斷的減少那第一個對旅行業者的衝擊當然就會出現嘛對不對那我想請問齁那台灣不能帶團過去也不能帶團過來造成的業者的巨大的經濟損失\n212817\t240083\t請問我們有沒有相應的客人可以補得上?該委員就說明事實上這個疫後之後整個市場是有一些的變化那像我們國人到其他旅行目的地去旅遊的話那分別是今天我們調查是日本然後再來就是韓國、越南、泰國等等所以他的那個旅遊的市場其實有一些的變化\n241203\t243585\t實際上有時候我們來看我們觀光成效跟鄰近的國家來相比那像鄰近包括日本在去年就已經回復到疫情前的旅遊業的榮景\n265822\t267763\t目前臺灣準備好了嗎?目前到底我們的目標是什麼?\n288837\t304708\t我們的目標到底萊克的目標是多少跟委員做個報告我們目標大概是在千萬能夠達到一千萬以上的達得到嗎我們有信心有信心那也剩下這個九個月時間左右對不對\n306249\t329680\t那我想看看上個禮拜我們交通部長王國才部長的說法他說期待今年入客能來同時也要將日本韓國東南亞旅客作為今年的重點還有印度市場也是要努力的目標那我想請問你我目前看到的數據不只是入客沒辦法連日本客成效也沒有很亮眼\n330882\t336447\t那我想請問那你現在兩岸之間上綱的政治衝突這麼大結果你發現我們當然東牆垮了可是事實上我們也找不到西牆來補啊但是你又那麼信心滿滿說你能夠達到千萬目標因為事實上之前你的目標是一千兩百萬啊不是嗎 對不對那現在保守一點變一千萬當場少了兩百萬啊\n354909\t373876\t那我想請問你會不會到年底你的目標又更保守了因為現在現實的狀況你就看到事實上我們目前來看的話台灣的旅行業者就面臨兩邊的為難嘛那你今天說不准入團到大陸去其實某種程度我認為是也是對旅行業者的一個懲罰不是嗎\n376145\t387030\t因為那個是奧邦我們當然是很希望說世界上各個國家能夠來到台灣因為他這樣對台灣的消費他的一個才有貢獻\n388277\t412745\t所以像我們說國外的旅遊啊那個旅客如果覺得台灣的旅遊品質沒有達到預期那或者同樣的價格沒有有更好的選擇那就會造成說今天不把台灣列為第一選擇嘛這種情形是存在的嘛 對不對這個我們一直在努力可是我看到你們這個我們政府的說法就直接推給說國內的旅館的價格太高啊是這樣推的嗎\n415653\t427629\t其實這個旅館的價格是市場的機制那在平日的部分的話其實蠻多的旅館的價格事實上我也看到我們有一些關於旅遊方面的一些評論人他講到說\n430673\t449865\t這個顯示出你像其他國家在疫情後他的不然國內國外的旅遊尤其國內旅遊蓬勃發展跟他疫情期間趁著所謂的疫情期間來客少做了很多的一些觀光方面的一些改造跟規劃是有關的\n450646\t459381\t所以它不會是一個單一說旅館的昂貴不昂貴的因素而是今天你能不能產生更好的性價比來去吸引觀光的來客\n460461\t486309\t所以我今天要問就是說那事實上以目前來看就是說我如果我不能夠調整我們國內旅遊觀光的品質跟提高這個性價比你先不要講說吸引來客我們台灣自己的國人在旅遊的選項上如果我們的性價比不夠的話他會選擇留在國內還是到國外去是 剛剛委員就有一個報告那委員剛剛所提的我非常贊同\n486869\t508602\t所以這個在國內旅遊的人次的部分也是我們一直努力的重點那根據我們的調查我們去年的一個國旅的人次我最後講一個就是說網路上最有流傳的梗圖就是說公司預算減少所以員工旅遊從墾丁改成日本你不覺得這樣的梗圖非常的對我們的政府是個很大的羞辱嗎\n510183\t510303\t羅智強委員\n","txt":"主席有請交通部觀光署有請副署長謝謝委員好副署長好我們今天雖然安排的是赴陸旅遊團停招的專案報告但本席想要先了解的是對於來台旅遊的旅客人數觀光署今年是有什麼樣的規劃才能夠回到過去的榮景\n報告委員,我們在112年來臺的旅客是648萬。我們今年希望能夠恢復到千萬人次。所以針對像端北亞,尤其是日韓的市場,以及西南向的國家市場,這邊我們會加足力道來做一個宣傳。\n我目前就是您說的是648萬大概是疫情前的一半而已應該是超過一半\n也差不多啦反正還是差蠻多的啦那從2008年開始我們從開放的入客來台旅遊所以入客成為旅遊業重要的收入來源那在入客為基本保障的情況之下那全世界來台灣旅遊的人次是年年逐步升高在什麼時候達到高峰\n報告委員我們的高峰應該是在2019年對2019年但後來就碰上疫情但是如果將出入境總和2800多萬人次兩岸航線的人次就有800萬人次那佔航空業4成營收也就佔旅行業三分之一到四分之一的營收所以比重其實是非常高的對不對\n是那台灣有旅行社4000家有九成有發團到大陸那陸客也是過去也是台灣最大的客源所以當然是很重要的市場那現在對於旅行社來講我們的陸客團其實也是旅行社很大的很重要的收入嘛對不對報告委員根據我們的調查台灣的旅行社是大概4038家\n那依據這個統計的資料有經營這個陸客團的是大概是1044家那如果說比重比重在5層以上的話大概是404家所以影響也是相當有嘛對不對如果說是以比重50%以上的旅行社的話大概是一層左右\n所以我要特別講就是說 陸客其實在過去對我們台灣我們的國內旅遊市場2019年之前它其實是非常重要的一個我們講的收入來源那實際上對於旅行社它當然不只是整個旅行業來講不只是國內它也包括大陸的部分也是旅行社重要的收入可是現在你會發現說\n你現在我們的整個來台旅遊的人數不斷的減少那第一個對旅行業者的衝擊當然就會出現嘛對不對那我想請問齁那台灣不能帶團過去也不能帶團過來造成的業者的巨大的經濟損失\n請問我們有沒有相應的客人可以補得上?該委員就說明事實上這個疫後之後整個市場是有一些的變化那像我們國人到其他旅行目的地去旅遊的話那分別是今天我們調查是日本然後再來就是韓國、越南、泰國等等所以他的那個旅遊的市場其實有一些的變化\n實際上有時候我們來看我們觀光成效跟鄰近的國家來相比那像鄰近包括日本在去年就已經回復到疫情前的旅遊業的榮景\n目前臺灣準備好了嗎?目前到底我們的目標是什麼?\n我們的目標到底萊克的目標是多少跟委員做個報告我們目標大概是在千萬能夠達到一千萬以上的達得到嗎我們有信心有信心那也剩下這個九個月時間左右對不對\n那我想看看上個禮拜我們交通部長王國才部長的說法他說期待今年入客能來同時也要將日本韓國東南亞旅客作為今年的重點還有印度市場也是要努力的目標那我想請問你我目前看到的數據不只是入客沒辦法連日本客成效也沒有很亮眼\n那我想請問那你現在兩岸之間上綱的政治衝突這麼大結果你發現我們當然東牆垮了可是事實上我們也找不到西牆來補啊但是你又那麼信心滿滿說你能夠達到千萬目標因為事實上之前你的目標是一千兩百萬啊不是嗎 對不對那現在保守一點變一千萬當場少了兩百萬啊\n那我想請問你會不會到年底你的目標又更保守了因為現在現實的狀況你就看到事實上我們目前來看的話台灣的旅行業者就面臨兩邊的為難嘛那你今天說不准入團到大陸去其實某種程度我認為是也是對旅行業者的一個懲罰不是嗎\n因為那個是奧邦我們當然是很希望說世界上各個國家能夠來到台灣因為他這樣對台灣的消費他的一個才有貢獻\n所以像我們說國外的旅遊啊那個旅客如果覺得台灣的旅遊品質沒有達到預期那或者同樣的價格沒有有更好的選擇那就會造成說今天不把台灣列為第一選擇嘛這種情形是存在的嘛 對不對這個我們一直在努力可是我看到你們這個我們政府的說法就直接推給說國內的旅館的價格太高啊是這樣推的嗎\n其實這個旅館的價格是市場的機制那在平日的部分的話其實蠻多的旅館的價格事實上我也看到我們有一些關於旅遊方面的一些評論人他講到說\n這個顯示出你像其他國家在疫情後他的不然國內國外的旅遊尤其國內旅遊蓬勃發展跟他疫情期間趁著所謂的疫情期間來客少做了很多的一些觀光方面的一些改造跟規劃是有關的\n所以它不會是一個單一說旅館的昂貴不昂貴的因素而是今天你能不能產生更好的性價比來去吸引觀光的來客\n所以我今天要問就是說那事實上以目前來看就是說我如果我不能夠調整我們國內旅遊觀光的品質跟提高這個性價比你先不要講說吸引來客我們台灣自己的國人在旅遊的選項上如果我們的性價比不夠的話他會選擇留在國內還是到國外去是 剛剛委員就有一個報告那委員剛剛所提的我非常贊同\n所以這個在國內旅遊的人次的部分也是我們一直努力的重點那根據我們的調查我們去年的一個國旅的人次我最後講一個就是說網路上最有流傳的梗圖就是說公司預算減少所以員工旅遊從墾丁改成日本你不覺得這樣的梗圖非常的對我們的政府是個很大的羞辱嗎\n羅智強委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.346 --> 00:33.648\n主席有請交通部觀光署有請副署長謝謝委員好副署長好我們今天雖然安排的是赴陸旅遊團停招的專案報告但本席想要先了解的是對於來台旅遊的旅客人數觀光署今年是有什麼樣的規劃才能夠回到過去的榮景\n\n00:35.963 --> 00:56.455\n報告委員,我們在112年來臺的旅客是648萬。我們今年希望能夠恢復到千萬人次。所以針對像端北亞,尤其是日韓的市場,以及西南向的國家市場,這邊我們會加足力道來做一個宣傳。\n\n00:58.345 --> 01:05.896\n我目前就是您說的是648萬大概是疫情前的一半而已應該是超過一半\n\n01:06.950 --> 01:30.064\n也差不多啦反正還是差蠻多的啦那從2008年開始我們從開放的入客來台旅遊所以入客成為旅遊業重要的收入來源那在入客為基本保障的情況之下那全世界來台灣旅遊的人次是年年逐步升高在什麼時候達到高峰\n\n01:32.659 --> 01:59.107\n報告委員我們的高峰應該是在2019年對2019年但後來就碰上疫情但是如果將出入境總和2800多萬人次兩岸航線的人次就有800萬人次那佔航空業4成營收也就佔旅行業三分之一到四分之一的營收所以比重其實是非常高的對不對\n\n02:01.508 --> 02:25.740\n是那台灣有旅行社4000家有九成有發團到大陸那陸客也是過去也是台灣最大的客源所以當然是很重要的市場那現在對於旅行社來講我們的陸客團其實也是旅行社很大的很重要的收入嘛對不對報告委員根據我們的調查台灣的旅行社是大概4038家\n\n02:27.501 --> 02:48.462\n那依據這個統計的資料有經營這個陸客團的是大概是1044家那如果說比重比重在5層以上的話大概是404家所以影響也是相當有嘛對不對如果說是以比重50%以上的旅行社的話大概是一層左右\n\n02:49.062 --> 03:12.654\n所以我要特別講就是說陸客其實在過去對我們台灣我們的國內旅遊市場2019年之前它其實是非常重要的一個我們講的收入來源那實際上對於旅行社它當然不只是整個旅行業來講不只是國內它也包括大陸的部分也是旅行社重要的收入可是現在你會發現說\n\n03:14.235 --> 03:30.617\n你現在我們的整個來台旅遊的人數不斷的減少那第一個對旅行業者的衝擊當然就會出現嘛對不對那我想請問齁那台灣不能帶團過去也不能帶團過來造成的業者的巨大的經濟損失\n\n03:32.817 --> 04:00.083\n請問我們有沒有相應的客人可以補得上?該委員就說明事實上這個疫後之後整個市場是有一些的變化那像我們國人到其他旅行目的地去旅遊的話那分別是今天我們調查是日本然後再來就是韓國、越南、泰國等等所以他的那個旅遊的市場其實有一些的變化\n\n04:01.203 --> 04:03.585\n實際上有時候我們來看我們觀光成效跟鄰近的國家來相比那像鄰近包括日本在去年就已經回復到疫情前的旅遊業的榮景\n\n04:25.822 --> 04:27.763\n目前臺灣準備好了嗎?目前到底我們的目標是什麼?\n\n04:48.837 --> 05:04.708\n我們的目標到底萊克的目標是多少跟委員做個報告我們目標大概是在千萬能夠達到一千萬以上的達得到嗎我們有信心有信心那也剩下這個九個月時間左右對不對\n\n05:06.249 --> 05:29.680\n那我想看看上個禮拜我們交通部長王國才部長的說法他說期待今年入客能來同時也要將日本韓國東南亞旅客作為今年的重點還有印度市場也是要努力的目標那我想請問你我目前看到的數據不只是入客沒辦法連日本客成效也沒有很亮眼\n\n05:30.882 --> 05:36.447\n那我想請問那你現在兩岸之間上綱的政治衝突這麼大結果你發現我們當然東牆垮了可是事實上我們也找不到西牆來補啊但是你又那麼信心滿滿說你能夠達到千萬目標因為事實上之前你的目標是一千兩百萬啊不是嗎對不對那現在保守一點變一千萬當場少了兩百萬啊\n\n05:54.909 --> 06:13.876\n那我想請問你會不會到年底你的目標又更保守了因為現在現實的狀況你就看到事實上我們目前來看的話台灣的旅行業者就面臨兩邊的為難嘛那你今天說不准入團到大陸去其實某種程度我認為是也是對旅行業者的一個懲罰不是嗎\n\n06:16.145 --> 06:27.030\n因為那個是奧邦我們當然是很希望說世界上各個國家能夠來到台灣因為他這樣對台灣的消費他的一個才有貢獻\n\n06:28.277 --> 06:52.745\n所以像我們說國外的旅遊啊那個旅客如果覺得台灣的旅遊品質沒有達到預期那或者同樣的價格沒有有更好的選擇那就會造成說今天不把台灣列為第一選擇嘛這種情形是存在的嘛對不對這個我們一直在努力可是我看到你們這個我們政府的說法就直接推給說國內的旅館的價格太高啊是這樣推的嗎\n\n06:55.653 --> 07:07.629\n其實這個旅館的價格是市場的機制那在平日的部分的話其實蠻多的旅館的價格事實上我也看到我們有一些關於旅遊方面的一些評論人他講到說\n\n07:10.673 --> 07:29.865\n這個顯示出你像其他國家在疫情後他的不然國內國外的旅遊尤其國內旅遊蓬勃發展跟他疫情期間趁著所謂的疫情期間來客少做了很多的一些觀光方面的一些改造跟規劃是有關的\n\n07:30.646 --> 07:39.381\n所以它不會是一個單一說旅館的昂貴不昂貴的因素而是今天你能不能產生更好的性價比來去吸引觀光的來客\n\n07:40.461 --> 08:06.309\n所以我今天要問就是說那事實上以目前來看就是說我如果我不能夠調整我們國內旅遊觀光的品質跟提高這個性價比你先不要講說吸引來客我們台灣自己的國人在旅遊的選項上如果我們的性價比不夠的話他會選擇留在國內還是到國外去是剛剛委員就有一個報告那委員剛剛所提的我非常贊同\n\n08:06.869 --> 08:28.602\n所以這個在國內旅遊的人次的部分也是我們一直努力的重點那根據我們的調查我們去年的一個國旅的人次我最後講一個就是說網路上最有流傳的梗圖就是說公司預算減少所以員工旅遊從墾丁改成日本你不覺得這樣的梗圖非常的對我們的政府是個很大的羞辱嗎\n\n08:30.183 --> 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