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00:00:24,395\n主席、加農委員先進、列席政府計劃長官員、會長、公眾夥伴、媒體記者女士先生那麼有請我們交通部王部長請王部長還有機場規劃應該是哪一個?行政司嗎?民航局民航局何局長何局長好\n\n2\n00:00:28,010 --> 00:00:46,585\n市長好在上週我和高雄的邱志偉委員我們開了一個記者會就是說高雄準備好的煤它的高是高低的高熊呢是大黑熊的熊你知道那個熊是指哪一個地方嗎熊本沒有錯高雄\n\n3\n00:00:47,765 --> 00:01:11,185\n跟高雄跟熊本這兩個沉寂交通因著台積電將會成為一個重要的結盟那麼台積電進駐熊本除了貨之外還有人家屬對不對?台積電很多員工都要出到熊本去啊那你認為小港機場準備好了沒有?我們當然硬體準備好只是說航線現在慢慢在恢復中所以你認為小港機場的輸運人士未來在應付這個是足夠的囉?\n\n4\n00:01:12,813 --> 00:01:41,180\n目前過因為現在還沒有完全恢復還沒有完全恢復沒有恢復是需求還沒有恢復我說機場的運能準備好了沒好來我們看一下你慢慢想往下看這個在疫情兩年期間你說有沒有恢復國航國際航空公司你認為華航跟長榮在疫情間是賠本還是賺錢賺錢靠什麼賺錢貨運靠貨運沒有錯華航在一年他的貨運是他的客運的20倍\n\n5\n00:01:42,810 --> 00:02:11,938\n他的貨運和他的11年大概是大概將近5倍我們看長榮長榮在這兩年期間下一頁長榮呢他在10年的時候呢他的貨運是客運的10倍他的11年隔年貨運是客運的將近也8、9倍所以這說明了什麼說明了在疫情之後可能這個情況目前我們國航的貨運跟客運的占比是不是貨運還多客運一些些\n\n6\n00:02:15,564 --> 00:02:39,324\n我們來看一下桃園機場來往下桃園各機場的客貨運的統計客運的部分在全台灣的機場當中桃園的運能佔了快一半53%超過一半貨運呢幾乎都在桃園那表示什麼台灣的航空貨運出口如果沒有桃園就本完了你同不同意\n\n7\n00:02:40,558 --> 00:02:42,519\n台灣台積電半導體產業你認為目前台灣的晶片生產北部多還南部多?\n\n8\n00:02:58,262 --> 00:03:21,040\n應該是慢慢往南移啊慢慢往南移我告訴你我早上問過國發會主委他說目前南科的產能產量已經超過了竹科了那表示什麼半導體晶片的出口他們是往哪個機場送你覺得他現在應該是桃園機場往桃園機場送有3、4個小時在高速公路上所以當桃園機場發生這個問題我們往下看\n\n9\n00:03:23,663 --> 00:03:23,683\n對嘛!\n\n10\n00:03:35,888 --> 00:04:02,213\n所以現在桃園塞機不是影響到客運而已是連我們國家重要的護國神山臺積電臺灣的半導體產業站南部半壁江山他往北送送不出去還要再卡在高速公路上來我們請教一個問題那小港經常做什麼小港經常有什麼問題我們往下看你說運能運量還沒回來那是需求運能有沒有足夠小港經常是不是有這些阻礙\n\n11\n00:04:04,664 --> 00:04:28,889\n有宵禁嗎?宵禁晚上可以飛貨運嗎?不行貨運是24小時不停的?全世界的貨運主要機場都是24小時有沒有居民抗議?有啊有嗎?附地如果我要做貨運我要更多的倉儲轉運喔客人可以住在高雄市中心的觀光大飯店你這些貨要在機場附近盤轉是不是要更大的附地?那小港有辦法嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:30,686 --> 00:04:51,832\n小港過去有一個戶地,以前有一個航空貨運園區的一個戶地在那個地方,過去有啦過去有,你們有沒有開始在研究啦,怎麼去解決半導體產業晶片出口的需求,我們往下看當南部的半導體出口貨運需求這麼大的時候,小港機場如果是一個方案,那就有兩個嘛,一個就是擴建擁有機場嘛\n\n13\n00:04:53,852 --> 00:05:19,687\n剛剛看到三個限制不能擴建另外找個地方設立一個貨運機場嘛你看看在加科、南科、南梓跟小廠之間你覺得機場有沒有可能另外設一個貨運機場很困難為什麼他那個現在的這種還品還有要找到一個適合的機場非常不容易那如果台灣只剩下淘機在負責半導體機面的出口那台灣不是更慘嗎\n\n14\n00:05:21,158 --> 00:05:31,812\n半導體產業對台灣這麼重要他在疫情期間整個台灣我們去年一個人可以領6000塊你知道台積電貢獻多少嗎?台積電貢獻的營業稅、營所稅加起來超過1000億啊我們每個人領6000去年花了多少億?花1300億\n\n15\n00:05:39,697 --> 00:06:04,529\n講得比較不客氣一點去年大概6千塊的這個紅包等於是靠台積電出口金錢賺來的這麼重要一個產業他如果按只依靠一個桃園機場做貨運還要讓給客運作為交通部長你覺得有沒有必要趕快運模出入現在就是小港機場的定位啦我沒有跟你談小機場我說怎麼解決這個需求你要在小港機場擴建還有另外找貨運機場都是選項我們看最後一個\n\n16\n00:06:06,089 --> 00:06:29,056\n半導體從南部出口的需求評估這個我已經問過國發會了他一個月內會給我未來5到10年台灣的半導體晶片出口從哪裡出去需要多少的量他會算出來這樣的話做什麼用力取得周邊的產業規劃和大眾運輸的接駁這是交通部的工作你可以如果國發會負責產業出口的需求評估評估出來了你可以負責貨運機場的運能規劃嗎\n\n17\n00:06:31,864 --> 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