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00:01:55,582\n接下來就是有兩條包含台鐵的立體化包含高雄捷運指線的未來我想在這個交通委員會這邊來跟部裡面來做這個討論台鐵立體化它未來其實台積電會選擇在高雄那對於這個高階的這些製程有一個想像\n\n6\n00:01:56,303 --> 00:02:13,532\n就是未來針對台南跟高雄園區會有大量的交通運輸以前喔以前從高雄到台南這個交流道比如說仁德交流道好了大概從中正交流道到仁德交流道的往返40分鐘現在沒有一個小時到不了\n\n7\n00:02:14,252 --> 00:02:14,412\n﹚李柏毅\n\n8\n00:02:34,540 --> 00:02:52,625\n我們目前台鐵立體化的這個可信性評估裡面市政府有建議在台積電的園區外面多設兩個站一個站是在台積電園區外面那另外一個站會是在部長你這邊可不可以做一個說明\n\n9\n00:02:53,965 --> 00:03:19,654\n我跟委員報告現在大概兩個第一個現階段現階段因為那個油廠國小紅線油廠國小是就在台積電設廠那附近所以短期我們的建議是短期跟中期短期就是他從油廠國小搭到橋頭站橋頭站是跟鐵路共站他就到南科的火車站這短期那第二個就是這個鐵路\n\n10\n00:03:24,616 --> 00:03:34,921\n高價跟立體化的價格我那邊有在院長的這個施政報告裡面有提出來大概差了400億以上大概差了3倍到4倍高價大概是160現在估起來是160億如果是地下化的話可能會超過500億到600億之間\n\n11\n00:03:44,105 --> 00:04:02,504\n所以李委員所提的第二階段就是現在我們補助高雄市政府在做高價北延的這個可行性他提出來現在是兩個站這兩個站都會服務到這一個我們台積電的這個位置那我們是想這樣就是說他高價的時候就把這兩個站放進去是\n\n12\n00:04:11,729 --> 00:04:30,556\n市政府這邊因為鐵路地下已經下地了他北延現在可以好好去把這個北延部把它做完那交通部這邊也會支持未來北延然後未來這個整個這個科技狼帶的串接我想那剛才談到要不要再兩個人對開這個是有牽涉他的花車點對\n\n13\n00:04:31,877 --> 00:04:32,277\n接下來捷運子縣\n\n14\n00:04:58,463 --> 00:05:12,242\n連接捷運黃線高雄醫學院接到高雄榮總進入左營高鐵從左營高鐵進入右艙高鐵附近還是我們的台積電廠區進入右艙到高雄大學連接橋頭科學園區這一段\n\n15\n00:05:13,544 --> 00:05:30,135\n也是未來連接橋頭科學園區以及男子產業園區也就是台積電非常重要的一條捷運線而且服務的人口流量非常的大今年6月可行性評估之後我們也希望交通部全力加速來推動高雄捷運直線的這些期程來部長請你回應是\n\n16\n00:05:31,036 --> 00:05:45,981\n我想高雄的捷運在因為以前在縣市合併以前這個紅橘兩線然後包括黃線等等的現在北邊這個整個廊帶就是說直線的沿線的這些廊帶都發展的也非常密集\n\n17\n00:05:46,641 --> 00:05:46,741\n華航總經理\n\n18\n00:06:05,802 --> 00:06:20,398\n呃,你邊聽我邊講齁,邊走我邊講齁,在這個疫情,喔,董事長你好在疫情開始之前齁,那當然華航也經過很辛苦的疫情的過程齁但我們也知道,其實華航我們的貨運還是賺錢\n\n19\n00:06:23,871 --> 00:06:39,431\n我們也知道很多貨運的客機還沒改回,客運的客機可能營利為主之外,高雄機場其實有非常大的聲音,南部鄉親有非常大的聲音,就是我們的飛機永遠都是321,永遠都是小飛機。\n\n20\n00:06:40,552 --> 00:07:01,477\n甚至我也在期間過程裡面也透過當時的我們現在的召委當然我還擔任市議員的時候也透過當我們現在的召委李昆哲委員跟華航反映過很多次那我們的雙走道飛機進駐小港機場來服務南部鄉親的這個計畫有沒有改變什麼事要落實請董事長來做一個回應\n\n21\n00:07:01,877 --> 00:07:02,758\n三百330現在桃園沒有在飛嗎\n\n22\n00:07:18,261 --> 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