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00:01:09,075\n沒有對等的對待你有什麼想法因為你是管理一整個那個陸委會的謝謝委員的這個質詢我知道委員跟幾位委員都很關心這個陸配這個權益的問題那我必須要坦白講就是說陸配的這個權益問題他涉及的面向太廣了太廣了那主要原因當然是如果要從憲政的程式上面看因為我們的憲法徵修條文第11條\n\n4\n00:01:09,975 --> 00:01:35,115\n他也特別的把兩岸的人民的這種定位上面的既不是本國人也不是外國人那所以呢他希望我們立法院呢就用立法來特別做這樣的規定所以呢好問題我們就會把大陸人士的跟這個外國人士的在兩岸條例裡面做一些特殊的一些處理所以在權益上有的多有的少\n\n5\n00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:58,162\n你了解意思嗎?有的是外籍的沒有但是陸配的有所以我們就是有基金不是對等的對待所以啊那這樣的話他利弊的得失就變成是以陸配拿出來被檢視他跟外配那優惠的地方外配也可以來說那他是不是對外配也不公平啊\n\n6\n00:01:58,442 --> 00:02:01,404\n所以我才覺得說現在在炒這個議題是因為我們民進黨這邊希望通過才炒讓我們來就是我們國民黨跟民眾黨就是要來推事實上是你們是想要通過的感覺好像反方向我想院長已經指示過了院長也表示過了在院會表示過了說這個問題因為它牽涉的比較廣泛所以目前還在凝聚社會的這樣的一個共識\n\n7\n00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:33,966\n那我跟委員報告一下跟包括委員會報告事實上這個議題當然有委員也提到所謂的人權公約的這個所謂的我們因為沒有辦法加入但是我們每10年大概有舉辦的一次邀請外國的國際學者來讓我們期待我們要改善的有哪些\n\n8\n00:02:49,820 --> 00:02:58,448\n事實上在第二次也就是說在應該是民國100年那時候的時候就提出了這樣的一個呼籲所以陸委會也在101年\n\n9\n00:03:00,748 --> 00:03:19,344\n一百零一年跟一百零五年各提出了這樣的方案但是在大院呢還是因為有諸多不同的意見那所以呢一致都一直因為我在九十二年就成立協會在2016年的時候就是總統大選的時候我們都有去協助就是說\n\n10\n00:03:19,984 --> 00:03:23,767\n在炒這個就是6年還是4年這樣子的議題事實上我們陸配是4年可以就是辦規劃2年等2年就是6年拿到身份證但是我們新住民就是外配這邊我們是住滿3年在辦的過程中我們還要放棄國籍\n\n11\n00:03:43,542 --> 00:04:02,392\n放棄國籍的時間就是一年所以後來呢就是還有就是放棄國籍大概一年又在台灣要租滿一年不能回去如果這一年回去的話你又在等要等說再一年所以為了這件事情很多人就是在台灣\n\n12\n00:04:03,451 --> 00:04:17,284\n現在目前有一兩百個就是無國籍沒辦法恢復國籍又沒辦法拿台灣的身份證所以後來就是才改說就是三年半同時辦就是我們拿的是外僑基流證\n\n13\n00:04:18,445 --> 00:04:24,648\n所以在同時辦的時候呢在拿台灣基流證的時候呢就是放棄國籍同時辦所以就等於就4到5年所以現在我們要的不是說4年是6年的問題是我們要的就是要一致大家都是從國外加過來所以希望說一致這樣子的一致的機制還有這樣子的管理我們的主委能做得到嗎\n\n14\n00:04:48,739 --> 00:05:01,305\n確實委員您剛剛已經提到了這樣的話就變成要全面性的去檢討那這個姿勢提到那因為這個外配的問題呢他是在國際法裡面去規定的那是內政部處長的啦\n\n15\n00:05:02,646 --> 00:05:24,819\n不是我陸委會組長的所以說我們是陸委會就是一個副會還要再去檢視各自的要求到底是什麼那我想政府的立場從過去剛好提到從100年開始大家就想說那不然現實上應該先改善或者增進他們在生活上工作上或者是社會福利上的這樣的一個措施我們是在爭執這個國企問題\n\n16\n00:05:27,501 --> 00:05:30,524\n本來就是覺得說我們選舉前大家就拿這個來當就是工具只要選舉就是把我們拉過來拉過去就是把我們分類但是選舉後呢又拿出來就傷害對我們的新住民跟陸配都是傷害的因為把我們就是分類把就是陸委會這邊就是有一個部門\n\n17\n00:05:49,940 --> 00:05:52,564\n專門去為了就是陸配來爭取福利還有權利但是我們沒有一個部門針對就是外配來去協助所以說現在我們有陸委會是不是有一個新住民委員會呢這樣子是不是就是才是公平\n\n18\n00:06:07,363 --> 00:06:15,489\n全力一樣平等便民嘛我們政府不是說便民嗎但是造成我們現在一點都不變啊這邊還不變的時候還選舉的說我照顧陸配這邊我照顧外配所以平常全力不平等\n\n19\n00:06:26,237 --> 00:06:32,381\n但是那個福利又不平等但是在選舉的時候就是說照顧我們要給你們更多但是在把兩個陸配跟外配拿出來檢視的時候呢就覺得說就是陸配優比較多外配沒有但是呢整個社會的觀點就是說民進黨最照顧外配的但是要拿出來看的時候呢\n\n20\n00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:56,517\n事實上是你們最照顧陸配所以你們比較親中不是我們比較親中感覺整個附會對不對誰比較親你比較親那是你親的你又沒有去直接跟就是在在就是對岸那邊談都是透過別人透過就是今天也有我們的\n\n21\n00:07:16,144 --> 00:07:16,464\n海峽基金會董事長\n\n22\n00:07:46,384 --> 00:08:08,213\n就是每一個女人都是為不同性的來去服務對不對為我們小孩為孩子但是你們都一直分類一直在為了這件事情所以我們就是在2016年美國的就各國的人權就有說台灣對就是外配和陸配是最歧視的\n\n23\n00:08:10,126 --> 00:08:19,217\n所以這個部分我們希望就是說我們要來臺灣不管任何的部門都有一個窗口去服務新住民為什麼我們把這個窗口去整合來去服務\n\n24\n00:08:23,588 --> 00:08:43,822\n讓一直栽培新住民但是呢沒有一個平台也沒有一個窗口讓大家服務所以變成我們變什麼你要學習要學習我們永遠變成專業學生嗎所以我們希望說這個部分要一致就是要大家都要一致身分一致權利一致對我們在台灣會更好對啊我們要的就只有這樣因為事實上\n\n25\n00:08:50,227 --> 00:08:53,980\n大陸配合來台灣現在35萬人對不對\n\n26\n00:08:55,586 --> 00:09:08,251\n新住民20幾萬人但是拿身份證的新住民比陸培多以前是因為沒有任何的部門去保護沒有任何部門去求救所以對大家來說身份證很重要因為我們要留在台灣為了深耕台灣要回去就沒民主了讓人家掛回去要怎麼在這就是我們家在這要回去要做什麼所以呢為了這個要留下來但是現在呢有\n\n27\n00:09:25,598 --> 00:09:25,638\n：麥玉珍\n\n28\n00:09:53,724 --> 00:10:17,299\n去個大陸又說清宮去個國外去跟大陸交流就清宮所以說大家都清宮了所以我們國家是不是跟中國一樣對不對所以我們希望的就是在哪一個地方在哪裡生根就像我爸說的我爸說我是哪裡人我是廣東人還是客家人我爸爸說只要你活得快樂你就是那裡的人\n\n29\n00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:34,639\n對待我們就是臺灣人我們希望住在臺灣把臺灣就是顧好把我們的經濟把我們的生活主席還有一個一題我想要問一下就是現在特別的時間是這個貿易的部分也希望說不要就是\n\n30\n00:10:36,361 --> 00:10:39,943\n貿易壁壘現在是大家說的所以因為現在不管是貿易的部分或者是大家在台灣共同來去推廣經濟還有就是台灣的和平這兩項我希望主委可不可以答應大家去做得到因為你就是橋樑你就是跟對岸的窗口\n\n31\n00:10:59,335 --> 00:11:14,845\n報告委員委員的建議都非常的好那因為有關於貿易的談判基本上是由經濟部國貿局他們在做這樣的一個負責那在國際組織上面大概就在WTO你的意見我一定會如實的轉達給經濟部還有就是觀光的部分昨天已經講了這些都是你是直接的拜託你就是要有一個溝通的廣告直接面對問題解決問題你才是最大的\n\n32\n00:11:28,354 --> 00:11:30,536\n謝謝麥玉珍委員的質詢我希望這個邱主委還有李大輝董事長還有我們的民宿長你們能夠聽進去\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6073\t11641\t謝謝主席我們有請陸委會主委有請邱主委\n14946\t37755\t麥玉珍好謝謝主委這幾天都請你來辛苦了辛苦了首先我想要請教一下最近大家都在炒就是4年6年陸配的那個時間所以針對這一塊我們覺得是說要一致你有什麼你覺得這樣子是對\n40117\t69075\t沒有對等的對待你有什麼想法因為你是管理一整個那個陸委會的謝謝委員的這個質詢我知道委員跟幾位委員都很關心這個陸配這個權益的問題那我必須要坦白講就是說陸配的這個權益問題他涉及的面向太廣了太廣了那主要原因當然是如果要從憲政的程式上面看因為我們的憲法徵修條文第11條\n69975\t95115\t他也特別的把兩岸的人民的這種定位上面的既不是本國人也不是外國人那所以呢他希望我們立法院呢就用立法來特別做這樣的規定所以呢好問題我們就會把大陸人士的跟這個外國人士的在兩岸條例裡面做一些特殊的一些處理所以在權益上有的多有的少\n96260\t118162\t你了解意思嗎?有的是外籍的沒有但是陸配的有所以我們就是有基金不是對等的對待所以啊那這樣的話他利弊的得失就變成是以陸配拿出來被檢視他跟外配那優惠的地方外配也可以來說那他是不是對外配也不公平啊\n118442\t121404\t所以我才覺得說現在在炒這個議題是因為我們民進黨這邊希望通過才炒讓我們來就是我們國民黨跟民眾黨就是要來推事實上是你們是想要通過的感覺好像反方向我想院長已經指示過了院長也表示過了在院會表示過了說這個問題因為它牽涉的比較廣泛所以目前還在凝聚社會的這樣的一個共識\n147100\t153966\t那我跟委員報告一下 跟包括委員會報告事實上這個議題當然有委員也提到所謂的人權公約的這個所謂的我們因為沒有辦法加入但是我們每10年大概有舉辦的一次邀請外國的國際學者來讓我們期待我們要改善的有哪些\n169820\t178448\t事實上在第二次也就是說在應該是民國100年那時候的時候就提出了這樣的一個呼籲所以陸委會也在101年\n180748\t199344\t一百零一年跟一百零五年各提出了這樣的方案但是在大院呢還是因為有諸多不同的意見那所以呢一致都一直因為我在九十二年就成立協會在2016年的時候就是總統大選的時候我們都有去協助就是說\n199984\t203767\t在炒這個就是6年還是4年這樣子的議題事實上我們陸配是4年可以就是辦規劃2年等2年就是6年拿到身份證但是我們新住民就是外配這邊我們是住滿3年在辦的過程中我們還要放棄國籍\n223542\t242392\t放棄國籍的時間就是一年所以後來呢就是還有就是放棄國籍大概一年又在台灣要租滿一年不能回去如果這一年回去的話你又在等要等說再一年所以為了這件事情很多人就是在台灣\n243451\t257284\t現在目前有一兩百個就是無國籍沒辦法恢復國籍又沒辦法拿台灣的身份證所以後來就是才改說就是三年半同時辦就是我們拿的是外僑基流證\n258445\t264648\t所以在同時辦的時候呢在拿台灣基流證的時候呢就是放棄國籍同時辦所以就等於就4到5年所以現在我們要的不是說4年是6年的問題是我們要的就是要一致大家都是從國外加過來所以希望說一致這樣子的一致的機制還有這樣子的管理我們的主委能做得到嗎\n288739\t301305\t確實委員您剛剛已經提到了這樣的話就變成要全面性的去檢討那這個姿勢提到那因為這個外配的問題呢他是在國際法裡面去規定的那是內政部處長的啦\n302646\t324819\t不是我陸委會組長的所以說我們是陸委會就是一個副會還要再去檢視各自的要求到底是什麼那我想政府的立場從過去剛好提到從100年開始大家就想說那不然現實上應該先改善或者增進他們在生活上工作上或者是社會福利上的這樣的一個措施我們是在爭執這個國企問題\n327501\t330524\t本來就是覺得說我們選舉前大家就拿這個來當就是工具只要選舉就是把我們拉過來拉過去就是把我們分類但是選舉後呢又拿出來就傷害對我們的新住民跟陸配都是傷害的因為把我們就是分類把就是陸委會這邊就是有一個部門\n349940\t352564\t專門去為了就是陸配來爭取福利還有權利但是我們沒有一個部門針對就是外配來去協助所以說現在我們有陸委會是不是有一個新住民委員會呢這樣子是不是就是才是公平\n367363\t375489\t全力一樣 平等 便民嘛 我們政府不是說便民嗎 但是造成我們現在一點都不變啊這邊還不變的時候 還選舉的 說我照顧陸配 這邊我照顧外配 所以平常全力不平等\n386237\t392381\t但是那個福利又不平等但是在選舉的時候就是說照顧我們要給你們更多但是在把兩個陸配跟外配拿出來檢視的時候呢就覺得說就是陸配優比較多外配沒有但是呢整個社會的觀點就是說民進黨最照顧外配的但是要拿出來看的時候呢\n413496\t416517\t事實上是你們最照顧陸配所以你們比較親中不是我們比較親中感覺整個附會對不對誰比較親你比較親那是你親的你又沒有去直接跟就是在在就是對岸那邊談都是透過別人透過就是今天也有我們的\n436144\t436464\t海峽基金會董事長\n466384\t488213\t就是每一個女人都是為不同性的來去服務對不對為我們小孩為孩子但是你們都一直分類一直在為了這件事情所以我們就是在2016年美國的就各國的人權就有說台灣對就是外配和陸配是最歧視的\n490126\t499217\t所以這個部分我們希望就是說我們要來臺灣不管任何的部門都有一個窗口去服務新住民為什麼我們把這個窗口去整合來去服務\n503588\t523822\t讓一直栽培新住民但是呢沒有一個平台也沒有一個窗口讓大家服務所以變成我們變什麼你要學習要學習我們永遠變成專業學生嗎所以我們希望說這個部分要一致就是要大家都要一致身分一致權利一致對我們在台灣會更好對啊我們要的就只有這樣因為事實上\n530227\t533980\t大陸配合來台灣現在35萬人對不對\n535586\t548251\t新住民20幾萬人但是拿身份證的新住民比陸培多以前是因為沒有任何的部門去保護沒有任何部門去求救所以對大家來說身份證很重要因為我們要留在台灣為了深耕台灣要回去就沒民主了讓人家掛回去要怎麼在這就是我們家在這要回去要做什麼所以呢為了這個要留下來但是現在呢有\n565598\t565638\t：麥玉珍\n593724\t617299\t去個大陸又說清宮去個國外去跟大陸交流就清宮所以說大家都清宮了所以我們國家是不是跟中國一樣對不對所以我們希望的就是在哪一個地方在哪裡生根就像我爸說的我爸說我是哪裡人我是廣東人還是客家人我爸爸說只要你活得快樂你就是那裡的人\n618460\t634639\t對待我們就是臺灣人我們希望住在臺灣把臺灣就是顧好把我們的經濟把我們的生活主席還有一個一題我想要問一下就是現在特別的時間是這個貿易的部分也希望說不要就是\n636361\t639943\t貿易壁壘現在是大家說的所以因為現在不管是貿易的部分或者是大家在台灣共同來去推廣經濟還有就是台灣的和平這兩項我希望主委可不可以答應大家去做得到因為你就是橋樑你就是跟對岸的窗口\n659335\t674845\t報告委員委員的建議都非常的好那因為有關於貿易的談判基本上是由經濟部國貿局他們在做這樣的一個負責那在國際組織上面大概就在WTO你的意見我一定會如實的轉達給經濟部還有就是觀光的部分昨天已經講了這些都是你是直接的拜託你就是要有一個溝通的廣告直接面對問題解決問題你才是最大的\n688354\t690536\t謝謝麥玉珍委員的質詢我希望這個邱主委還有李大輝董事長還有我們的民宿長你們能夠聽進去\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們有請陸委會主委有請邱主委\n麥玉珍好謝謝主委這幾天都請你來辛苦了辛苦了首先我想要請教一下最近大家都在炒就是4年6年陸配的那個時間所以針對這一塊我們覺得是說要一致你有什麼你覺得這樣子是對\n沒有對等的對待你有什麼想法因為你是管理一整個那個陸委會的謝謝委員的這個質詢我知道委員跟幾位委員都很關心這個陸配這個權益的問題那我必須要坦白講就是說陸配的這個權益問題他涉及的面向太廣了太廣了那主要原因當然是如果要從憲政的程式上面看因為我們的憲法徵修條文第11條\n他也特別的把兩岸的人民的這種定位上面的既不是本國人也不是外國人那所以呢他希望我們立法院呢就用立法來特別做這樣的規定所以呢好問題我們就會把大陸人士的跟這個外國人士的在兩岸條例裡面做一些特殊的一些處理所以在權益上有的多有的少\n你了解意思嗎?有的是外籍的沒有但是陸配的有所以我們就是有基金不是對等的對待所以啊那這樣的話他利弊的得失就變成是以陸配拿出來被檢視他跟外配那優惠的地方外配也可以來說那他是不是對外配也不公平啊\n所以我才覺得說現在在炒這個議題是因為我們民進黨這邊希望通過才炒讓我們來就是我們國民黨跟民眾黨就是要來推事實上是你們是想要通過的感覺好像反方向我想院長已經指示過了院長也表示過了在院會表示過了說這個問題因為它牽涉的比較廣泛所以目前還在凝聚社會的這樣的一個共識\n那我跟委員報告一下 跟包括委員會報告事實上這個議題當然有委員也提到所謂的人權公約的這個所謂的我們因為沒有辦法加入但是我們每10年大概有舉辦的一次邀請外國的國際學者來讓我們期待我們要改善的有哪些\n事實上在第二次也就是說在應該是民國100年那時候的時候就提出了這樣的一個呼籲所以陸委會也在101年\n一百零一年跟一百零五年各提出了這樣的方案但是在大院呢還是因為有諸多不同的意見那所以呢一致都一直因為我在九十二年就成立協會在2016年的時候就是總統大選的時候我們都有去協助就是說\n在炒這個就是6年還是4年這樣子的議題事實上我們陸配是4年可以就是辦規劃2年等2年就是6年拿到身份證但是我們新住民就是外配這邊我們是住滿3年在辦的過程中我們還要放棄國籍\n放棄國籍的時間就是一年所以後來呢就是還有就是放棄國籍大概一年又在台灣要租滿一年不能回去如果這一年回去的話你又在等要等說再一年所以為了這件事情很多人就是在台灣\n現在目前有一兩百個就是無國籍沒辦法恢復國籍又沒辦法拿台灣的身份證所以後來就是才改說就是三年半同時辦就是我們拿的是外僑基流證\n所以在同時辦的時候呢在拿台灣基流證的時候呢就是放棄國籍同時辦所以就等於就4到5年所以現在我們要的不是說4年是6年的問題是我們要的就是要一致大家都是從國外加過來所以希望說一致這樣子的一致的機制還有這樣子的管理我們的主委能做得到嗎\n確實委員您剛剛已經提到了這樣的話就變成要全面性的去檢討那這個姿勢提到那因為這個外配的問題呢他是在國際法裡面去規定的那是內政部處長的啦\n不是我陸委會組長的所以說我們是陸委會就是一個副會還要再去檢視各自的要求到底是什麼那我想政府的立場從過去剛好提到從100年開始大家就想說那不然現實上應該先改善或者增進他們在生活上工作上或者是社會福利上的這樣的一個措施我們是在爭執這個國企問題\n本來就是覺得說我們選舉前大家就拿這個來當就是工具只要選舉就是把我們拉過來拉過去就是把我們分類但是選舉後呢又拿出來就傷害對我們的新住民跟陸配都是傷害的因為把我們就是分類把就是陸委會這邊就是有一個部門\n專門去為了就是陸配來爭取福利還有權利但是我們沒有一個部門針對就是外配來去協助所以說現在我們有陸委會是不是有一個新住民委員會呢這樣子是不是就是才是公平\n全力一樣 平等 便民嘛 我們政府不是說便民嗎 但是造成我們現在一點都不變啊這邊還不變的時候 還選舉的 說我照顧陸配 這邊我照顧外配 所以平常全力不平等\n但是那個福利又不平等但是在選舉的時候就是說照顧我們要給你們更多但是在把兩個陸配跟外配拿出來檢視的時候呢就覺得說就是陸配優比較多外配沒有但是呢整個社會的觀點就是說民進黨最照顧外配的但是要拿出來看的時候呢\n事實上是你們最照顧陸配所以你們比較親中不是我們比較親中感覺整個附會對不對誰比較親你比較親那是你親的你又沒有去直接跟就是在在就是對岸那邊談都是透過別人透過就是今天也有我們的\n海峽基金會董事長\n就是每一個女人都是為不同性的來去服務對不對為我們小孩為孩子但是你們都一直分類一直在為了這件事情所以我們就是在2016年美國的就各國的人權就有說台灣對就是外配和陸配是最歧視的\n所以這個部分我們希望就是說我們要來臺灣不管任何的部門都有一個窗口去服務新住民為什麼我們把這個窗口去整合來去服務\n讓一直栽培新住民但是呢沒有一個平台也沒有一個窗口讓大家服務所以變成我們變什麼你要學習要學習我們永遠變成專業學生嗎所以我們希望說這個部分要一致就是要大家都要一致身分一致權利一致對我們在台灣會更好對啊我們要的就只有這樣因為事實上\n大陸配合來台灣現在35萬人對不對\n新住民20幾萬人但是拿身份證的新住民比陸培多以前是因為沒有任何的部門去保護沒有任何部門去求救所以對大家來說身份證很重要因為我們要留在台灣為了深耕台灣要回去就沒民主了讓人家掛回去要怎麼在這就是我們家在這要回去要做什麼所以呢為了這個要留下來但是現在呢有\n：麥玉珍\n去個大陸又說清宮去個國外去跟大陸交流就清宮所以說大家都清宮了所以我們國家是不是跟中國一樣對不對所以我們希望的就是在哪一個地方在哪裡生根就像我爸說的我爸說我是哪裡人我是廣東人還是客家人我爸爸說只要你活得快樂你就是那裡的人\n對待我們就是臺灣人我們希望住在臺灣把臺灣就是顧好把我們的經濟把我們的生活主席還有一個一題我想要問一下就是現在特別的時間是這個貿易的部分也希望說不要就是\n貿易壁壘現在是大家說的所以因為現在不管是貿易的部分或者是大家在台灣共同來去推廣經濟還有就是台灣的和平這兩項我希望主委可不可以答應大家去做得到因為你就是橋樑你就是跟對岸的窗口\n報告委員委員的建議都非常的好那因為有關於貿易的談判基本上是由經濟部國貿局他們在做這樣的一個負責那在國際組織上面大概就在WTO你的意見我一定會如實的轉達給經濟部還有就是觀光的部分昨天已經講了這些都是你是直接的拜託你就是要有一個溝通的廣告直接面對問題解決問題你才是最大的\n謝謝麥玉珍委員的質詢我希望這個邱主委還有李大輝董事長還有我們的民宿長你們能夠聽進去\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.073 --> 00:11.641\n謝謝主席我們有請陸委會主委有請邱主委\n\n00:14.946 --> 00:37.755\n麥玉珍好謝謝主委這幾天都請你來辛苦了辛苦了首先我想要請教一下最近大家都在炒就是4年6年陸配的那個時間所以針對這一塊我們覺得是說要一致你有什麼你覺得這樣子是對\n\n00:40.117 --> 01:09.075\n沒有對等的對待你有什麼想法因為你是管理一整個那個陸委會的謝謝委員的這個質詢我知道委員跟幾位委員都很關心這個陸配這個權益的問題那我必須要坦白講就是說陸配的這個權益問題他涉及的面向太廣了太廣了那主要原因當然是如果要從憲政的程式上面看因為我們的憲法徵修條文第11條\n\n01:09.975 --> 01:35.115\n他也特別的把兩岸的人民的這種定位上面的既不是本國人也不是外國人那所以呢他希望我們立法院呢就用立法來特別做這樣的規定所以呢好問題我們就會把大陸人士的跟這個外國人士的在兩岸條例裡面做一些特殊的一些處理所以在權益上有的多有的少\n\n01:36.260 --> 01:58.162\n你了解意思嗎?有的是外籍的沒有但是陸配的有所以我們就是有基金不是對等的對待所以啊那這樣的話他利弊的得失就變成是以陸配拿出來被檢視他跟外配那優惠的地方外配也可以來說那他是不是對外配也不公平啊\n\n01:58.442 --> 02:01.404\n所以我才覺得說現在在炒這個議題是因為我們民進黨這邊希望通過才炒讓我們來就是我們國民黨跟民眾黨就是要來推事實上是你們是想要通過的感覺好像反方向我想院長已經指示過了院長也表示過了在院會表示過了說這個問題因為它牽涉的比較廣泛所以目前還在凝聚社會的這樣的一個共識\n\n02:27.100 --> 02:33.966\n那我跟委員報告一下跟包括委員會報告事實上這個議題當然有委員也提到所謂的人權公約的這個所謂的我們因為沒有辦法加入但是我們每10年大概有舉辦的一次邀請外國的國際學者來讓我們期待我們要改善的有哪些\n\n02:49.820 --> 02:58.448\n事實上在第二次也就是說在應該是民國100年那時候的時候就提出了這樣的一個呼籲所以陸委會也在101年\n\n03:00.748 --> 03:19.344\n一百零一年跟一百零五年各提出了這樣的方案但是在大院呢還是因為有諸多不同的意見那所以呢一致都一直因為我在九十二年就成立協會在2016年的時候就是總統大選的時候我們都有去協助就是說\n\n03:19.984 --> 03:23.767\n在炒這個就是6年還是4年這樣子的議題事實上我們陸配是4年可以就是辦規劃2年等2年就是6年拿到身份證但是我們新住民就是外配這邊我們是住滿3年在辦的過程中我們還要放棄國籍\n\n03:43.542 --> 04:02.392\n放棄國籍的時間就是一年所以後來呢就是還有就是放棄國籍大概一年又在台灣要租滿一年不能回去如果這一年回去的話你又在等要等說再一年所以為了這件事情很多人就是在台灣\n\n04:03.451 --> 04:17.284\n現在目前有一兩百個就是無國籍沒辦法恢復國籍又沒辦法拿台灣的身份證所以後來就是才改說就是三年半同時辦就是我們拿的是外僑基流證\n\n04:18.445 --> 04:24.648\n所以在同時辦的時候呢在拿台灣基流證的時候呢就是放棄國籍同時辦所以就等於就4到5年所以現在我們要的不是說4年是6年的問題是我們要的就是要一致大家都是從國外加過來所以希望說一致這樣子的一致的機制還有這樣子的管理我們的主委能做得到嗎\n\n04:48.739 --> 05:01.305\n確實委員您剛剛已經提到了這樣的話就變成要全面性的去檢討那這個姿勢提到那因為這個外配的問題呢他是在國際法裡面去規定的那是內政部處長的啦\n\n05:02.646 --> 05:24.819\n不是我陸委會組長的所以說我們是陸委會就是一個副會還要再去檢視各自的要求到底是什麼那我想政府的立場從過去剛好提到從100年開始大家就想說那不然現實上應該先改善或者增進他們在生活上工作上或者是社會福利上的這樣的一個措施我們是在爭執這個國企問題\n\n05:27.501 --> 05:30.524\n本來就是覺得說我們選舉前大家就拿這個來當就是工具只要選舉就是把我們拉過來拉過去就是把我們分類但是選舉後呢又拿出來就傷害對我們的新住民跟陸配都是傷害的因為把我們就是分類把就是陸委會這邊就是有一個部門\n\n05:49.940 --> 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