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00:02:40,510\n到底台灣的能源發展政策路線到底是不是正確因為現在我們的在野黨一直不斷的批評就是說台電的虧損這麼高就是因為我們高價收購再生能源而認為蔡英文政府的綠能發展的這個政策是錯誤的這個大概全世界的人都知道RE100是2014年發起的國際倡議活動\n\n8\n00:02:42,151 --> 00:02:42,472\n部長,你有沒有看過這個新聞?\n\n9\n00:02:59,953 --> 00:03:25,067\n這個是3月3日日本的朝日新聞台的報導這我不是隨便亂講的這是真的日本朝日新聞台的報導他的報導內容是什麼他來讚揚台灣的優質能源政策日本人認為台灣在風力發電在我們的再生能源上面的能源政策是遠遠比日本更優秀\n\n10\n00:03:26,175 --> 00:03:52,281\n可是呢在台灣似乎我們不是這樣的看法在台灣台電公司或者是經濟部發展再生能源一直不斷的被辱罵你看一下齁到目前為止台灣已經有283個風力發電的機組日本只有53個我們在法院的設計上面我們2012年就已經把法令完成了日本要到2019年才完成\n\n11\n00:03:53,792 --> 00:04:07,522\n所以部長我還想請您再看一下到底要不要漲電價到底漲電價是不是因為你的能源政策的錯誤剛剛前面那一張其實已經很清楚的說明台灣的能源政策並沒有錯誤\n\n12\n00:04:08,923 --> 00:04:33,800\n能源漲價燃煤所有的材料成本漲價二污戰爭是一個很重要的因素在過去的兩年其實我們都經過了多次的討論這一個大概是我們把它整理了一下台灣現在是全球住宅用電全世界排名第五低工業用電排名全世界第三低的\n\n13\n00:04:35,758 --> 00:04:59,228\n這個看起來全世界各國除掉台灣以外韓國、法國、英國、德國包括法國的工業電價漲幅是160%英國的漲幅也到126%甚至德國跟英國您看一下他的住宅用電的價格是比工業用電的價格還要高\n\n14\n00:05:00,328 --> 00:05:00,348\n韓國瑜議員\n\n15\n00:05:17,762 --> 00:05:17,782\n蔣議員：邱議瑩\n\n16\n00:05:46,149 --> 00:05:54,714\n用電大戶的電價結果你們漲了電價以後反而節電的效果就產生了對不對這個是經濟部有做過統計吧那你們的這個統計的時程很短是不是能夠把它延長到比如說到去年年底\n\n17\n00:06:03,979 --> 00:06:17,933\n因為這個好像是前年做的是不是能夠把去年一整年的這個節電的效果住宅大戶因為漲價之後而產生的節電效果能夠做一個更完整的統計有沒有這樣的能力除了這個之外\n\n18\n00:06:22,518 --> 00:06:47,108\n你要漲電價但是你也應該要讓民眾知道我要如何節電我要如何省電我知道現在台電你有分這所謂的時間電價跟累進電價嘛那所以大家有人會講說半夜洗衣服是不是電價會比較便宜可是半夜洗衣服電價要比較便宜的話你沒有裝智慧電表其實是沒有差的\n\n19\n00:06:48,223 --> 00:06:48,243\n總經理\n\n20\n00:07:19,632 --> 00:07:38,502\n報告委員,裝置會電表的費用是台電承擔等於是在我的整體的修電成本裡面來處理的所以你現在要漲電價這是一件事情第二件事情是你要告訴大家我雖然漲了電價但是我能夠做另外一個措施讓你節電\n\n21\n00:07:40,223 --> 00:07:40,243\n﹚邱議瑩\n\n22\n00:08:36,116 --> 00:09:03,219\n應該要去做這樣的一個教育跟說明的工作您同意嗎?報告委員現在的這個我們的民生用戶的用電大概有兩類一類是用的比較低的比如說300度以下的一類是可能用到500、700甚至更高的比較低的這個部分維持現在的累進電價是比較划算的因為它最低120度以下是1.63元是非常便宜的這一批人\n\n23\n00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:25,591\n他不適合轉成時間電價但是如果說家裡人口比較多一點五百七百度一個月那這個時候如果他用時間電價事實上是划得來的那這部分我們會在未來遵照委員的指示大量去推動一下讓這些民眾他們知道如何節電在夜間盡量少用然後到離峰的時候盡量多用\n\n24\n00:09:25,851 --> 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對不對這個是經濟部有做過統計吧那你們的這個統計的時程很短是不是能夠把它延長到比如說到去年年底\n363979\t377933\t因為這個好像是前年做的是不是能夠把去年一整年的這個節電的效果住宅大戶因為漲價之後而產生的節電效果能夠做一個更完整的統計有沒有這樣的能力除了這個之外\n382518\t407108\t你要漲電價但是你也應該要讓民眾知道我要如何節電我要如何省電我知道現在台電你有分這所謂的時間電價跟累進電價嘛那所以大家有人會講說半夜洗衣服是不是電價會比較便宜可是半夜洗衣服電價要比較便宜的話你沒有裝智慧電表其實是沒有差的\n408223\t408243\t總經理\n439632\t458502\t報告委員,裝置會電表的費用是台電承擔等於是在我的整體的修電成本裡面來處理的所以你現在要漲電價這是一件事情第二件事情是你要告訴大家我雖然漲了電價但是我能夠做另外一個措施讓你節電\n460223\t460243\t﹚邱議瑩\n490043\t515435\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n516116\t543219\t應該要去做這樣的一個教育跟說明的工作您同意嗎?報告委員現在的這個我們的民生用戶的用電大概有兩類一類是用的比較低的比如說300度以下的一類是可能用到500、700甚至更高的比較低的這個部分維持現在的累進電價是比較划算的因為它最低120度以下是1.63元是非常便宜的這一批人\n543679\t565591\t他不適合轉成時間電價但是如果說家裡人口比較多一點五百七百度一個月那這個時候如果他用時間電價事實上是划得來的那這部分我們會在未來遵照委員的指示大量去推動一下讓這些民眾他們知道如何節電在夜間盡量少用然後到離峰的時候盡量多用\n565851\t594147\t那這樣的話就是有效率的用電我想這是未來我們要推動的我覺得是這樣部長這個不要說是委員的指示才去做我覺得你們在推動這些政策說明上面即使漲電價是不得已我們也希望不要漲電價但是現在看起來你的發電成本遠遠高過於你的售價成本所以漲電價已經是不得已那你要漲電價的同時其實你應該要更加的去宣導如何採用節電的措施\n594987\t611922\t我們甚至包括這兩年都有相關的節能補助你去換能消耗的冷氣冰箱都有補助那這個部分也確實申請的案子非常多所以部長我一直在講因為你現在的電價相對是便宜\n612142\t612362\t是是是是\n","txt":"第一個問題很簡單台灣到底缺不缺電\n台灣到底缺不缺電?台灣是缺電還是會跳電?這個問題很簡單但很重要所以我問三次部長請您回答台灣沒有缺電部長您這一句話很重要很重要要講三次台灣沒有缺電而且這個態度是要堅定因為有立法委員會在立法院的議事殿堂裡頭公然造謠\n利用言論免責權公然造謠所以我需要部長您很堅定的態度來回答本席的這個問題台灣到底缺不缺電台灣沒有缺電是好台灣如果不缺電的話那很顯然的台灣在\n您承認吧?\n坦白講對於這個相關這麼長的一個電網等等會有相關的故障其實台電在各國的評比上還是名列前茅的那只是因為確實我們的媒體會常常報導那台電發生這些的設備故障的時候那去把它維修好的這個\n部長,我要再請教您一個問題\n到底台灣的能源發展政策路線到底是不是正確因為現在我們的在野黨一直不斷的批評就是說台電的虧損這麼高就是因為我們高價收購再生能源而認為蔡英文政府的綠能發展的這個政策是錯誤的這個大概全世界的人都知道RE100是2014年發起的國際倡議活動\n部長,你有沒有看過這個新聞?\n這個是3月3日日本的朝日新聞台的報導這我不是隨便亂講的這是真的日本朝日新聞台的報導他的報導內容是什麼他來讚揚台灣的優質能源政策日本人認為台灣在風力發電在我們的再生能源上面的能源政策是遠遠比日本更優秀\n可是呢在台灣似乎我們不是這樣的看法在台灣台電公司或者是經濟部發展再生能源一直不斷的被辱罵你看一下齁到目前為止台灣已經有283個風力發電的機組日本只有53個我們在法院的設計上面我們2012年就已經把法令完成了日本要到2019年才完成\n所以部長我還想請您再看一下到底要不要漲電價到底漲電價是不是因為你的能源政策的錯誤剛剛前面那一張其實已經很清楚的說明台灣的能源政策並沒有錯誤\n能源漲價燃煤所有的材料成本漲價二污戰爭是一個很重要的因素在過去的兩年其實我們都經過了多次的討論這一個大概是我們把它整理了一下台灣現在是全球住宅用電全世界排名第五低工業用電排名全世界第三低的\n這個看起來全世界各國除掉台灣以外韓國、法國、英國、德國包括法國的工業電價漲幅是160%英國的漲幅也到126%甚至德國跟英國您看一下他的住宅用電的價格是比工業用電的價格還要高\n韓國瑜議員\n蔣議員：邱議瑩\n用電大戶的電價結果你們漲了電價以後反而節電的效果就產生了 對不對這個是經濟部有做過統計吧那你們的這個統計的時程很短是不是能夠把它延長到比如說到去年年底\n因為這個好像是前年做的是不是能夠把去年一整年的這個節電的效果住宅大戶因為漲價之後而產生的節電效果能夠做一個更完整的統計有沒有這樣的能力除了這個之外\n你要漲電價但是你也應該要讓民眾知道我要如何節電我要如何省電我知道現在台電你有分這所謂的時間電價跟累進電價嘛那所以大家有人會講說半夜洗衣服是不是電價會比較便宜可是半夜洗衣服電價要比較便宜的話你沒有裝智慧電表其實是沒有差的\n總經理\n報告委員,裝置會電表的費用是台電承擔等於是在我的整體的修電成本裡面來處理的所以你現在要漲電價這是一件事情第二件事情是你要告訴大家我雖然漲了電價但是我能夠做另外一個措施讓你節電\n﹚邱議瑩\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n應該要去做這樣的一個教育跟說明的工作您同意嗎?報告委員現在的這個我們的民生用戶的用電大概有兩類一類是用的比較低的比如說300度以下的一類是可能用到500、700甚至更高的比較低的這個部分維持現在的累進電價是比較划算的因為它最低120度以下是1.63元是非常便宜的這一批人\n他不適合轉成時間電價但是如果說家裡人口比較多一點五百七百度一個月那這個時候如果他用時間電價事實上是划得來的那這部分我們會在未來遵照委員的指示大量去推動一下讓這些民眾他們知道如何節電在夜間盡量少用然後到離峰的時候盡量多用\n那這樣的話就是有效率的用電我想這是未來我們要推動的我覺得是這樣部長這個不要說是委員的指示才去做我覺得你們在推動這些政策說明上面即使漲電價是不得已我們也希望不要漲電價但是現在看起來你的發電成本遠遠高過於你的售價成本所以漲電價已經是不得已那你要漲電價的同時其實你應該要更加的去宣導如何採用節電的措施\n我們甚至包括這兩年都有相關的節能補助你去換能消耗的冷氣冰箱都有補助那這個部分也確實申請的案子非常多所以部長我一直在講因為你現在的電價相對是便宜\n是是是是\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:08.093\n第一個問題很簡單台灣到底缺不缺電\n\n00:27.011 --> 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