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00:00:40,577\n杰克的國家博物館館長盧克斯有來到台灣也跟台灣簽署了很多項備忘錄其中有一項就包括故宮要跟杰克的博物館姊妹館的協議書當中有一個非常重要的算案活動就是要把故宮的收藏品拿到杰克去展出\n\n3\n00:00:43,578 --> 00:01:05,587\n當時我記得那個時間點應該本來講的是今年對不對那後來現在我看起來故宮現在給我的這個期程是明年那明年我們如果是確定現在是要演到明年第一個為什麼演第二個呢明年的9月我們就要赴捷克來做一個國際的一個出展一個屆展那也預計是有百件以上的展品要來出國展覽其中\n\n4\n00:01:08,890 --> 00:01:13,033\n國寶、翠玉白菜及七明上河圖都計劃到捷克出展,院長能否回答?因為疫情的關係故宮原來規劃的一些國際交流活動都是因為這個原因而辭返捷克當然在\n\n5\n00:01:32,542 --> 00:01:54,355\n之前的話有簽過合作備忘錄但是正式的展覽內容的話都還在洽談之中那牽涉到一個比較特殊的就是所謂的司法門扣押的部分那這個部分的話捷克他們也進了就是國會的那個初審通過所以現在等著參議院的通過\n\n6\n00:01:55,095 --> 00:02:08,703\n院長,我想我們這麼重要的這個文物、國寶要出訪當然您剛剛所說的司法免扣押的這個事情非常的重要那據本期瞭解在捷克司法免扣押修法案在今年的2月8日那已經在眾議院一讀了\n\n7\n00:02:12,065 --> 00:02:39,325\n那這個眾議院通過之後那現在要送參議院來審議喔那大家這個會多久的時間因為是屬於捷克內部我們不能了解但是我想既然我們要出訪我們必須要有準備嘛所以這個進度非常的重要因為如果司法免扣呀這個修法有一些這個狀況或者沒有過那當然我們不能輕易出去所以您有沒有掌握那這個修法的進度能夠趕得及明年的9月我們要出訪前能夠通過嗎\n\n8\n00:02:40,767 --> 00:03:06,666\n這個進度的話我們一直透過外交部跟那個駐捷克代表處密切在關注之中基本上來講的話捷克國家博物館他們的表達是非常樂觀的但故宮作為一個展覽的一個策展的團隊我一直告訴我們一副院長他是這個總策展人就是說我們把所有的事情都準備到可以上會機\n\n9\n00:03:11,209 --> 00:03:29,460\n院長,我想世界各國對於故宮的這個收藏真的都是非常的讚許可以說我們的收藏舉世聞名那有機會到世界各國去做這樣的交流讓全世界的人更多人看到我們的收藏我想這是一件非常好的事情\n\n10\n00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:41,910\n我們除了明年的捷克現在在等司法免扣押修法之後我們就都準備好了這很棒那近期我們還沒有這個規劃我們的國寶要到其他的國家去這個展覽\n\n11\n00:03:43,888 --> 00:04:06,200\n跟委員報告因為委員問了要不然的話就是對外交流的展覽基本上來講的話我們沒有到那個出發之前的話我們就不會對外去說明那的確我們跟法國的凱利朗利博物館的話也是一樣明年的秋季也有一個展覽在洽談之中\n\n12\n00:04:07,561 --> 00:04:30,377\n基本上來講的話我們的運作也都是包括雙方的人員的互訪然後去討論合約的內容跟展品顯件這基本上來講的話都已經到了一個階段了可是因為現在還沒有因為我們程序上的話最後的定版要報給文化部文資及審議然後\n\n13\n00:04:31,738 --> 00:04:31,898\n獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得\n\n14\n00:04:52,612 --> 00:05:15,837\n不管是我們的國寶翠玉白菜或者清明上河圖都是非常重要的國寶那據本期了解其實故宮的文物到各國展覽最近的一次應該是在2019其實有一點時間了差不多5年多有了那明年我們要到海外去展覽那準備工作您剛剛說隨時都可以上飛機了但是我想不是那麼簡單就是東西上了就好了那前置作業其實蠻多的\n\n15\n00:05:16,917 --> 00:05:22,421\n我記得在108年1月故宮國寶有一個顏真卿記職文稿等等的一些古物那時候我們到東京日本東京的國立博物館來借展那事後其實被監委發現這個古物狀況的一個檢驗並沒有依照借展合約書相關的規範來執行那造成保管借展國寶這個古物的責任不明而產生很多的糾紛那這樣的狀況我想在當時\n\n16\n00:05:46,740 --> 00:06:07,377\n可能故宮也會覺得我們準備好了但準備好絕對不是文物上飛機包好就好那關於這樣的一個事情有沒有可能再發生我們有做任何的防範嗎跟委員報告一下閆貞卿的記者文稿的話就是他出國的話是有一些不同的觀點但是絕對沒有所謂的爭議因為他是經過文資審議通過文資委員認為說那個物件的狀況\n\n17\n00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:11,920\n拜訪議員\n\n18\n00:06:30,162 --> 00:06:36,147\n院長本席其實認為我們要更多的觀光客更多我們的國人來故宮看我們的國寶跟文物這是非常重要的但是本席個人認為能夠出訪讓世界各國做這樣的一個博物館之間交流對故宮來講是正向的但是我們要保護我們的國寶跟我們重要的文物這個先前準備的工作絕對不能輕忽所以這一點要請院長跟團隊多注意\n\n19\n00:06:55,703 --> 00:07:09,538\n跟委員報告一下,絕對不是說上飛機就走,而是說沒關係院長,我想本時就是在這裡跟您做一個善意提醒不能有任何的疏忽嘛那要不你們以前也沒有認為故宮會打破文物啊但它就打破啦,是不是?\n\n20\n00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,362\n我們有做了一個明確的調查那我們也做了很多的內部的改善措施\n\n21\n00:07:26,923 --> 00:07:46,298\n院長我想順著剛才我講的這個就是之前故宮打破這個典藏文物的這個事件我相信大家都不願意不過在那個事件之後我們也發現報出故宮收藏了70萬件的一個文物而大多數都沒有完成文資指定的審議那故宮在94年的時候做暫行的分級4903件這個國寶跟35858件的重要古物那只有在那時候做這樣的分級不過\n\n22\n00:08:25,825 --> 00:08:26,085\n委員長蕭宗煌列席\n\n23\n00:08:50,376 --> 00:09:01,903\n能不能給我們一個原因跟委員報告表列上的話就是9494年暫定國寶就是49000件然後完成指定的話就48205件以比例來講的話他已經完成98%\n\n24\n00:09:06,926 --> 00:09:27,271\n重要鼓舞的話是35858然後那個現在完成的話是47%那基本上來講的話故宮是以先國寶先審定為主然後直觸下來因為國寶如果沒有通過國寶的話他就會往下掉然後重新報一次審重要鼓舞\n\n25\n00:09:28,011 --> 00:09:48,135\n之後的話因為一般的古物的話是地方政府所以一定是先處理國寶然後再處理重要古物然後再一般古物的情況這樣子好其實院長因為您也從文化部來那我想不論是故宮這邊在送審或者是文化部那裡的速度我想您都可以做一個這個很好的這個調和這個時間\n\n26\n00:09:52,116 --> 00:09:56,199\n應該要趕快催促,我們希望讓國寶及文物都可以盡快審議完畢。最後一點,因為時間的關係,我只做重點提醒。我們的新故宮計畫當中有關於故宮北院的整建計畫,還有圖書文獻大樓的整建計畫。不過這個整建計畫看起來我們的工程速度是有往後延宕。\n\n27\n00:10:13,951 --> 00:10:36,425\n那沒有辦法如期去完成那這會有一個問題要提醒您現在很多的公共工程都因為種種原因去延宕了延宕以後我們的預算就必須要增加了所以呢您要做兩個準備第一個把工程的期限能不能如期把它趕上來第二個萬一真的要延宕您的預算在哪裡可能要把它找出來但最重要的是趕快把工程期趕上那這兩點因為時間關係我沒有辦法贅述那我相信院長也明白所以我們趕快把這工程期去趕上來好不好\n\n28\n00:10:41,428 --> 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那我們也做了很多的內部的改善措施\n446923\t466298\t院長我想順著剛才我講的這個就是之前故宮打破這個典藏文物的這個事件我相信大家都不願意不過在那個事件之後我們也發現報出故宮收藏了70萬件的一個文物而大多數都沒有完成文資指定的審議那故宮在94年的時候做暫行的分級4903件這個國寶跟35858件的重要古物那只有在那時候做這樣的分級不過\n475725\t505725\t﹗\n505825\t506085\t委員長蕭宗煌列席\n530376\t541903\t能不能給我們一個原因跟委員報告表列上的話就是9494年暫定國寶就是49000件然後完成指定的話就48205件以比例來講的話他已經完成98%\n546926\t567271\t重要鼓舞的話是35858然後那個現在完成的話是47%那基本上來講的話故宮是以先國寶先審定為主然後直觸下來因為國寶如果沒有通過國寶的話他就會往下掉然後重新報一次審重要鼓舞\n568011\t588135\t之後的話因為一般的古物的話是地方政府所以一定是先處理國寶然後再處理重要古物然後再一般古物的情況這樣子好其實院長因為您也從文化部來那我想不論是故宮這邊在送審或者是文化部那裡的速度我想您都可以做一個這個很好的這個調和這個時間\n592116\t596199\t應該要趕快催促,我們希望讓國寶及文物都可以盡快審議完畢。最後一點,因為時間的關係,我只做重點提醒。我們的新故宮計畫當中有關於故宮北院的整建計畫,還有圖書文獻大樓的整建計畫。不過這個整建計畫看起來我們的工程速度是有往後延宕。\n613951\t636425\t那沒有辦法如期去完成那這會有一個問題要提醒您現在很多的公共工程都因為種種原因去延宕了延宕以後我們的預算就必須要增加了所以呢您要做兩個準備第一個把工程的期限能不能如期把它趕上來第二個萬一真的要延宕您的預算在哪裡可能要把它找出來但最重要的是趕快把工程期趕上那這兩點因為時間關係我沒有辦法贅述那我相信院長也明白所以我們趕快把這工程期去趕上來好不好\n641428\t644680\t好謝謝委員提醒我們會加緊努力好謝謝\n","txt":"我想院長知道本席是中華民國與捷克國會聯誼會會長所以一直以來都很關心我們兩國之間各方面的交流跟進展我記得其實好像是在111年9月的時候\n杰克的國家博物館館長盧克斯有來到台灣也跟台灣簽署了很多項備忘錄其中有一項就包括故宮要跟杰克的博物館姊妹館的協議書當中有一個非常重要的算案活動就是要把故宮的收藏品拿到杰克去展出\n當時我記得那個時間點應該本來講的是今年對不對那後來現在我看起來故宮現在給我的這個期程是明年那明年我們如果是確定現在是要演到明年第一個為什麼演第二個呢明年的9月我們就要赴捷克來做一個國際的一個出展一個屆展那也預計是有百件以上的展品要來出國展覽其中\n國寶、翠玉白菜及七明上河圖都計劃到捷克出展,院長能否回答?因為疫情的關係故宮原來規劃的一些國際交流活動都是因為這個原因而辭返捷克當然在\n之前的話有簽過合作備忘錄但是正式的展覽內容的話都還在洽談之中那牽涉到一個比較特殊的就是所謂的司法門扣押的部分那這個部分的話捷克他們也進了就是國會的那個初審通過所以現在等著參議院的通過\n院長,我想我們這麼重要的這個文物、國寶要出訪當然您剛剛所說的司法免扣押的這個事情非常的重要那據本期瞭解在捷克司法免扣押修法案在今年的2月8日那已經在眾議院一讀了\n那這個眾議院通過之後那現在要送參議院來審議喔那大家這個會多久的時間因為是屬於捷克內部我們不能了解但是我想既然我們要出訪我們必須要有準備嘛所以這個進度非常的重要因為如果司法免扣呀這個修法有一些這個狀況或者沒有過那當然我們不能輕易出去所以您有沒有掌握那這個修法的進度能夠趕得及明年的9月我們要出訪前能夠通過嗎\n這個進度的話我們一直透過外交部跟那個駐捷克代表處密切在關注之中基本上來講的話捷克國家博物館他們的表達是非常樂觀的但故宮作為一個展覽的一個策展的團隊我一直告訴我們一副院長他是這個總策展人就是說我們把所有的事情都準備到可以上會機\n院長,我想世界各國對於故宮的這個收藏真的都是非常的讚許可以說我們的收藏舉世聞名那有機會到世界各國去做這樣的交流讓全世界的人更多人看到我們的收藏我想這是一件非常好的事情\n我們除了明年的捷克現在在等司法免扣押修法之後我們就都準備好了這很棒那近期我們還沒有這個規劃我們的國寶要到其他的國家去這個展覽\n跟委員報告因為委員問了要不然的話就是對外交流的展覽基本上來講的話我們沒有到那個出發之前的話我們就不會對外去說明那的確我們跟法國的凱利朗利博物館的話也是一樣明年的秋季也有一個展覽在洽談之中\n基本上來講的話我們的運作也都是包括雙方的人員的互訪然後去討論合約的內容跟展品顯件這基本上來講的話都已經到了一個階段了可是因為現在還沒有因為我們程序上的話最後的定版要報給文化部文資及審議然後\n獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得\n不管是我們的國寶翠玉白菜或者清明上河圖都是非常重要的國寶那據本期了解其實故宮的文物到各國展覽最近的一次應該是在2019其實有一點時間了差不多5年多有了那明年我們要到海外去展覽那準備工作您剛剛說隨時都可以上飛機了但是我想不是那麼簡單就是東西上了就好了那前置作業其實蠻多的\n我記得在108年1月故宮國寶有一個顏真卿記職文稿等等的一些古物那時候我們到東京日本東京的國立博物館來借展那事後其實被監委發現這個古物狀況的一個檢驗並沒有依照借展合約書相關的規範來執行那造成保管借展國寶這個古物的責任不明而產生很多的糾紛那這樣的狀況我想在當時\n可能故宮也會覺得我們準備好了但準備好絕對不是文物上飛機包好就好那關於這樣的一個事情有沒有可能再發生我們有做任何的防範嗎跟委員報告一下閆貞卿的記者文稿的話就是他出國的話是有一些不同的觀點但是絕對沒有所謂的爭議因為他是經過文資審議通過文資委員認為說那個物件的狀況\n拜訪議員\n院長本席其實認為我們要更多的觀光客更多我們的國人來故宮看我們的國寶跟文物這是非常重要的但是本席個人認為能夠出訪讓世界各國做這樣的一個博物館之間交流對故宮來講是正向的但是我們要保護我們的國寶跟我們重要的文物這個先前準備的工作絕對不能輕忽所以這一點要請院長跟團隊多注意\n跟委員報告一下,絕對不是說上飛機就走,而是說沒關係院長,我想本時就是在這裡跟您做一個善意提醒不能有任何的疏忽嘛那要不你們以前也沒有認為故宮會打破文物啊但它就打破啦,是不是?\n我們有做了一個明確的調查 那我們也做了很多的內部的改善措施\n院長我想順著剛才我講的這個就是之前故宮打破這個典藏文物的這個事件我相信大家都不願意不過在那個事件之後我們也發現報出故宮收藏了70萬件的一個文物而大多數都沒有完成文資指定的審議那故宮在94年的時候做暫行的分級4903件這個國寶跟35858件的重要古物那只有在那時候做這樣的分級不過\n﹗\n委員長蕭宗煌列席\n能不能給我們一個原因跟委員報告表列上的話就是9494年暫定國寶就是49000件然後完成指定的話就48205件以比例來講的話他已經完成98%\n重要鼓舞的話是35858然後那個現在完成的話是47%那基本上來講的話故宮是以先國寶先審定為主然後直觸下來因為國寶如果沒有通過國寶的話他就會往下掉然後重新報一次審重要鼓舞\n之後的話因為一般的古物的話是地方政府所以一定是先處理國寶然後再處理重要古物然後再一般古物的情況這樣子好其實院長因為您也從文化部來那我想不論是故宮這邊在送審或者是文化部那裡的速度我想您都可以做一個這個很好的這個調和這個時間\n應該要趕快催促,我們希望讓國寶及文物都可以盡快審議完畢。最後一點,因為時間的關係,我只做重點提醒。我們的新故宮計畫當中有關於故宮北院的整建計畫,還有圖書文獻大樓的整建計畫。不過這個整建計畫看起來我們的工程速度是有往後延宕。\n那沒有辦法如期去完成那這會有一個問題要提醒您現在很多的公共工程都因為種種原因去延宕了延宕以後我們的預算就必須要增加了所以呢您要做兩個準備第一個把工程的期限能不能如期把它趕上來第二個萬一真的要延宕您的預算在哪裡可能要把它找出來但最重要的是趕快把工程期趕上那這兩點因為時間關係我沒有辦法贅述那我相信院長也明白所以我們趕快把這工程期去趕上來好不好\n好謝謝委員提醒我們會加緊努力好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.409 --> 00:14.883\n我想院長知道本席是中華民國與捷克國會聯誼會會長所以一直以來都很關心我們兩國之間各方面的交流跟進展我記得其實好像是在111年9月的時候\n\n00:17.805 --> 00:40.577\n杰克的國家博物館館長盧克斯有來到台灣也跟台灣簽署了很多項備忘錄其中有一項就包括故宮要跟杰克的博物館姊妹館的協議書當中有一個非常重要的算案活動就是要把故宮的收藏品拿到杰克去展出\n\n00:43.578 --> 01:05.587\n當時我記得那個時間點應該本來講的是今年對不對那後來現在我看起來故宮現在給我的這個期程是明年那明年我們如果是確定現在是要演到明年第一個為什麼演第二個呢明年的9月我們就要赴捷克來做一個國際的一個出展一個屆展那也預計是有百件以上的展品要來出國展覽其中\n\n01:08.890 --> 01:13.033\n國寶、翠玉白菜及七明上河圖都計劃到捷克出展,院長能否回答?因為疫情的關係故宮原來規劃的一些國際交流活動都是因為這個原因而辭返捷克當然在\n\n01:32.542 --> 01:54.355\n之前的話有簽過合作備忘錄但是正式的展覽內容的話都還在洽談之中那牽涉到一個比較特殊的就是所謂的司法門扣押的部分那這個部分的話捷克他們也進了就是國會的那個初審通過所以現在等著參議院的通過\n\n01:55.095 --> 02:08.703\n院長,我想我們這麼重要的這個文物、國寶要出訪當然您剛剛所說的司法免扣押的這個事情非常的重要那據本期瞭解在捷克司法免扣押修法案在今年的2月8日那已經在眾議院一讀了\n\n02:12.065 --> 02:39.325\n那這個眾議院通過之後那現在要送參議院來審議喔那大家這個會多久的時間因為是屬於捷克內部我們不能了解但是我想既然我們要出訪我們必須要有準備嘛所以這個進度非常的重要因為如果司法免扣呀這個修法有一些這個狀況或者沒有過那當然我們不能輕易出去所以您有沒有掌握那這個修法的進度能夠趕得及明年的9月我們要出訪前能夠通過嗎\n\n02:40.767 --> 03:06.666\n這個進度的話我們一直透過外交部跟那個駐捷克代表處密切在關注之中基本上來講的話捷克國家博物館他們的表達是非常樂觀的但故宮作為一個展覽的一個策展的團隊我一直告訴我們一副院長他是這個總策展人就是說我們把所有的事情都準備到可以上會機\n\n03:11.209 --> 03:29.460\n院長,我想世界各國對於故宮的這個收藏真的都是非常的讚許可以說我們的收藏舉世聞名那有機會到世界各國去做這樣的交流讓全世界的人更多人看到我們的收藏我想這是一件非常好的事情\n\n03:30.500 --> 03:41.910\n我們除了明年的捷克現在在等司法免扣押修法之後我們就都準備好了這很棒那近期我們還沒有這個規劃我們的國寶要到其他的國家去這個展覽\n\n03:43.888 --> 04:06.200\n跟委員報告因為委員問了要不然的話就是對外交流的展覽基本上來講的話我們沒有到那個出發之前的話我們就不會對外去說明那的確我們跟法國的凱利朗利博物館的話也是一樣明年的秋季也有一個展覽在洽談之中\n\n04:07.561 --> 04:30.377\n基本上來講的話我們的運作也都是包括雙方的人員的互訪然後去討論合約的內容跟展品顯件這基本上來講的話都已經到了一個階段了可是因為現在還沒有因為我們程序上的話最後的定版要報給文化部文資及審議然後\n\n04:31.738 --> 04:31.898\n獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得\n\n04:52.612 --> 05:15.837\n不管是我們的國寶翠玉白菜或者清明上河圖都是非常重要的國寶那據本期了解其實故宮的文物到各國展覽最近的一次應該是在2019其實有一點時間了差不多5年多有了那明年我們要到海外去展覽那準備工作您剛剛說隨時都可以上飛機了但是我想不是那麼簡單就是東西上了就好了那前置作業其實蠻多的\n\n05:16.917 --> 05:22.421\n我記得在108年1月故宮國寶有一個顏真卿記職文稿等等的一些古物那時候我們到東京日本東京的國立博物館來借展那事後其實被監委發現這個古物狀況的一個檢驗並沒有依照借展合約書相關的規範來執行那造成保管借展國寶這個古物的責任不明而產生很多的糾紛那這樣的狀況我想在當時\n\n05:46.740 --> 06:07.377\n可能故宮也會覺得我們準備好了但準備好絕對不是文物上飛機包好就好那關於這樣的一個事情有沒有可能再發生我們有做任何的防範嗎跟委員報告一下閆貞卿的記者文稿的話就是他出國的話是有一些不同的觀點但是絕對沒有所謂的爭議因為他是經過文資審議通過文資委員認為說那個物件的狀況\n\n06:11.900 --> 06:11.920\n拜訪議員\n\n06:30.162 --> 06:36.147\n院長本席其實認為我們要更多的觀光客更多我們的國人來故宮看我們的國寶跟文物這是非常重要的但是本席個人認為能夠出訪讓世界各國做這樣的一個博物館之間交流對故宮來講是正向的但是我們要保護我們的國寶跟我們重要的文物這個先前準備的工作絕對不能輕忽所以這一點要請院長跟團隊多注意\n\n06:55.703 --> 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