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00:02:20,280\n我跟委員報告這所謂觀摩是我們兩邊交流訓練軍事交流的要項之一事實上我們國家為什麼跟美方會有那麼近的因為很多武器裝備甚至以往的建軍什麼過程都參考美軍事實上其他各國我們也在參考但因為長久以來跟他關係一直很密切所以我們就經常在平常除了漢光以外\n\n8\n00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:35,009\n韓光一定會請他來,請他來跟我們做他所謂觀摩,或者跟我們看哪些需要強調。那今年的觀摩,他們實質上的參與程度會比去年還要來得更高嗎?不會,就在每一年都會派觀察團隊來。\n\n9\n00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:39,832\n我跟委員報告,發生這個制裁自傷的事情,這是一個很大的遺憾不管對他個人、對家庭、整個部隊、對團體的灼傷\n\n10\n00:03:00,908 --> 00:03:29,160\n最近十天你們有掌握了多少軍人精神?我最喜歡有五件甚至於今天早上我還就也獲報一件就有五件六件嘛十天有六件所以我要跟委員多講一點我們每次這種事情除了表達遺憾我們繼續分析不會去做一個定論分析一定要從他的身心從部隊的管教從他這個有沒有債務問題感情問題多方面去做一個分量\n\n11\n00:03:30,060 --> 00:03:30,340\n各位有沒有數據?\n\n12\n00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:56,945\n每一年有統計,你要突然問我哪一年的話,我可能要查一下就是去年跟前年,你們都應該要好好的統計我跟委員報告,我們數據有,但是數據我們剛剛講了,一有了以後,絕對從各方面去做\n\n13\n00:04:04,991 --> 00:04:05,031\n第二張圖\n\n14\n00:04:28,645 --> 00:04:48,747\n連續做軍械的三天三夜都沒有睡都在打靶一直歇涼當然這個我先幫國防部說明你們是否認的可是我問一下這個該員有沒有負責軍械的部分有還有他有沒有BMI超標的情況應該也是有的那既然都有為什麼是直接否定我們什麼時候會完整徹查\n\n15\n00:04:49,588 --> 00:04:50,229\n說明一下好不好\n\n16\n00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:04,880\n國防部長邱國正報告業務概況．\n\n17\n00:05:29,170 --> 00:05:38,260\n好這個是非常有趣就是我們跟你們要的報表都是非常的漂亮但我們實際也去問了很多戰過憲兵的那他們都說其實沒有這麼好所以我們的這個初期的統計表跟實際上面面臨到軍人他們的情況我覺得都還要再去做調查但我另外一個更有興趣去詢問的是我們211營的這個軍社\n\n18\n00:05:51,414 --> 00:05:54,436\n蔡總統經常在新安專案這邊剪裁那邊剪裁怎麼會我們照顧官兵的老半天結果自己門口站著的沒有照顧好呢\n\n19\n00:06:16,414 --> 00:06:33,611\n雖然專案當初建案是依據各賓舍各儀區他們分別來建有陸海空分別建但他建出來會有一個程序他排出來不是馬上面臨到可能會往後移那我們要問的是211左邊的這個什麼時候才要再重新的大幅的修整\n\n20\n00:06:34,311 --> 00:07:00,325\n這幾年都只是簡單整修而已都沒有做大規模的這個修整或是改建什麼時候211我們就在總統府門口站的也不換房的最辛苦的我們什麼時候要給他提升相關的居住的社會我跟委員報告一下這個西安專案是這樣子有一些是新建有整建但整建他有分一個一個一個看這個狀況吧他如果在裡面狀況都還可以可能裡面要做一些強化下去的擺設\n\n21\n00:07:00,725 --> 00:07:00,885\n請說明一下\n\n22\n00:07:22,528 --> 00:07:45,550\n我跟委員報告我們有規劃但是他就不見得講說變成單獨一個房間但是你們就講什麼時候規劃整修什麼時候會完成這個你們一定有相關的進度可以說明啊委員你好我是連市次長跟您報告一下2110他們97年到現在他路上的建築物還沒有到這個法定他要這個心安的階段\n\n23\n00:07:46,150 --> 00:08:01,000\n第二階段是我們每一年當然您現在問我的話我是沒有辦法馬上給您說我們每一年都有投資相關的預算在實施銀社的一些改善相信2110是有的那會後之後我會提供你們不能齁這個我特別跟你講不能我今天問你一個問題這個2110都已經出這麼嚴重的事情我們在思考的是整個2110他們憲兵的相關權益然後來到這個地方的時候我們問這麼基本的這個問題你都說要回去再看看然後時間不確定\n\n24\n00:08:16,210 --> 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