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00:01:06,010\n實驗設備等等其實都是30年前的那這競爭力其實是有明顯的差距這個部分我們請國防部要特別重視而且去了解一下如果有必要因為我們跟很多的大專院校跟很多的學校沒有辦法相比我們就沒有辦法招到好的人才這個部分在這裡特別提出來那在這裡要特別請教部長\n\n4\n00:01:09,993 --> 00:01:27,834\n就去年漢光演習的時候我們的實兵操演過去我們都是反登陸操演大概集結三軍兵火力我們演示的都是貪案間敵讓敵人上不來可是我們現在安排的是兩軍在貪案對峙攻防\n\n5\n00:01:28,835 --> 00:01:45,113\n這可以顯示國軍的防衛作戰的重點他已經從貪案間敵向國土防衛這樣子來做一些調整那甚至在民間大家的感受甚至我們未來很可能已經要打城鎮戰\n\n6\n00:01:46,434 --> 00:01:55,060\n這個也是造成很多的人形惶惶的部分因為最近也有一些資訊顯示有很多有能力有條件財務狀況許可的人其實已經把15歲以下的孩子往國外送\n\n7\n00:02:01,684 --> 00:02:01,884\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n8\n00:02:29,918 --> 00:02:48,310\n不要說更長的時間近10年不管他是在基建的數量性能還有武器裝備他的推展跟他的進步其實全世界都是看得到也相信那就我們剛剛提到的現況包括我們海峽中線已經失去這樣子的一個大家的默契以後我們除了國軍\n\n9\n00:02:58,396 --> 00:03:01,620\n每次都跟我們說因為我們每次的業務報告大概從過去在他們以前沒有這麼進步的情況之下也都是我們會透過情監偵的相關的這樣的一個手段會去做最好的一個防禦跟預警\n\n10\n00:03:15,214 --> 00:03:15,254\n馬文君議員\n\n11\n00:03:36,537 --> 00:03:48,666\n聽到那個警報不知道是什麼狀況地震他們可能還更緊張可是像這樣子的一個情況他甚至有共機飛到我們海峽中線越界的時候他我們應處的時間不到一分鐘\n\n12\n00:03:53,109 --> 00:04:11,145\n那不是更緊張嗎?所以他到底該不該發,或者我們隨時面對這樣的情況的時候,我們應該,民眾應該有什麼樣的準備?這個部分是不是可以請部長跟我們說明一下?我跟委員報告三個問題,剛剛委員提到,第一個有關一個投資的,逐年投資營區修繕的,這我們會強化。\n\n13\n00:04:14,648 --> 00:04:28,274\n剛才前面我也有問到新疆專不僅是新疆專每個單位都納入但是逐年編列預算來做一個營區整建修繕這是每個月他都有預算的他看他怎麼用這第一個我也要做這個強化第二個\n\n14\n00:04:30,115 --> 00:04:41,803\n國土防衛行大家變成哎呀現在有沒有打像城鎮戰我跟委員報告早期漢光演習一開頭到現在沒有變大原則拒敵彼岸堅敵海上空氣毀敵泰岸集敵於陣地前\n\n15\n00:04:47,367 --> 00:05:02,386\n因為以前推到貪案以後,沒有往下推的原因在哪裡,覺得在那個地方是決勝點,有機會可以殲滅。但後來要推幾年以後,人家不就講了嗎,哎喲,你們只打到貪案,貪完了就不打了,就投降了。\n\n16\n00:05:03,846 --> 00:05:32,463\n我跟委員報告,國軍沒有這種概念,打哪就不打了。所以我為什麼一上任以後我就講奉陪到底。那現在為什麼要強化城鎮作戰,就代表我們前面遠距、精準、堅敵海上這些狀況都已經過了。所以我爭當說一兵一卒,那不就到城鎮了嗎?並沒有想到要把戰爭帶起來,我們能夠抵擋在外面,源頭自止,最好具體彼岸,還沒出來打掉。\n\n17\n00:05:33,143 --> 00:05:33,223\n國防部長\n\n18\n00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:12,679\n我們放心不放心我們意見但我要讓國軍放心部長除了國軍放心以外我們也在乎的是民眾也要放心我們相信國防部有做準備可是我們現在因為過去大家都認為我們的灘難\n\n19\n00:06:15,143 --> 00:06:21,350\n在決戰的時候就可以把敵人殲滅當然那時候一直是這樣的一個概念我們當然也不是要投降可是現在如果民間有這樣子的一個舉措的時候其實顯示到民心在浮動當然第一優先是要兩岸和平\n\n20\n00:06:32,882 --> 00:06:41,526\n這是全世界包括我相信其他國家也不希望我們這裡有什麼樣的一個戰端那這是最好的一個狀況這也要看國家領導人的智慧跟能力那如果在不得已的情況之下會有什麼樣的演變應該要讓國人清楚的知道我們必須要做什麼樣的準備不是只有前線的國軍做準備如果真的要打到城鎮戰我們的人民應該要做什麼\n\n21\n00:07:00,094 --> 00:07:00,274\n對,我跟委員\n\n22\n00:07:29,815 --> 00:07:54,283\n國防委員報告兩點很簡單的軍事是政治的延長很多問題政治問題政治方面被擺平了沒有軍事的問題我們也不期望陳吳剛委員也講任何人沒有人期望打仗軍人也一樣但軍人他不願意但他因為責任所在一旦有狀況他非要抵死去抗拒不可這是我們的一個基本概念第一個\n\n23\n00:07:55,123 --> 00:07:55,263\n國防部長邱國正\n\n24\n00:08:13,550 --> 00:08:13,590\n﹚馬文君\n\n25\n00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:50,672\n那這個有兩個問題因為本席接到很多的陳情案很多人想要去考試就是說在他的生涯規劃裡面他想要去應徵參加考試去徵選其他單位的職缺可是給他的提\n\n26\n00:09:00,996 --> 00:09:23,710\n理由或者給本席的理由是因為邊境邊線比太低那到底哪一個才是對的一定有一個說謊嗎我們的業務報告做假的這些數據資料或者他也許是真的可是他有兩個情況第一就是你的目標定的很低所以你高達百分之一百多的招募的一個成效成效卓著\n\n27\n00:09:24,150 --> 00:09:37,970\n第二就是事實上我們的訓練並不足,你只能定這樣的標準,可是事實上我們的邊線比還是嚴重的不足,因為最近我們有看到我們的新的一個名詞叫做平均邊線比\n\n28\n00:09:39,272 --> 00:09:42,474\n我想很簡單的一個問題就是F16V我們已經在5年前那個美國同意賣給我們的時候就已經5年的時間那這5年我們到底招募了多少合格的飛行員就F16V因為你說平均邊線比這是不合理的你今天飛慢速戰鬥機的可以飛F16V嗎\n\n29\n00:10:02,028 --> 00:10:02,288\n我跟委員會議一分鐘\n\n30\n00:10:25,058 --> 00:10:39,854\n剛剛委員提了兩個問題,第一個邊線筆是問題,並沒有明文規定邊線筆差別的話不能夠掉,但這個單位它一定是吧,邊線筆很低,你要到別單位去,到別單位可能做植物跟在這邊一樣的,它當不允許它走。\n\n31\n00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:59,163\n他不是講說要加入了,我邊境比例不夠,你不要來,不是這樣的,這可能在傳達當中有誤會。今天早上我也問了陸軍,陸軍他左眼講,因為我邊境比例很低,所以你不要這個時候走。他這個是一個委婉的勸說,他如果硬要有家庭困難,一樣可以答應他,這是第一個。\n\n32\n00:11:00,143 --> 00:11:03,424\n建軍備戰長久工作,在要採購之前,雖然要等到裝備到才能成軍,但前面的步調沒有停。\n\n33\n00:11:18,328 --> 00:11:39,043\n因為他有配套他設施是有地方擺他人員是能夠同步的裝備一來就能夠去操作是在同步在做當中所以邊境比尤其空軍我們也很擔憂萬一飛行員不夠但目前為止我跟委員報告我們座艙比大概都還不錯一般譬如說好像國際上會計大概1.4我們大概也1.4以上了\n\n34\n00:11:41,645 --> 00:11:41,685\n馬文君\n\n35\n00:12:03,351 --> 00:12:07,334\n也許他的位置那裡邊線比也是不足可是他還是升了參謀長不能說上位的他可以調整而在基層的軍事官兵他沒有這個機會這個部分我們請部長去認真做考量好不好謝謝\n\n36\n00:12:20,504 --> 00:12:45,855\n委員真的啊,我們沒有講要咬那麼緊啊,沒有講他能動這個不能動,沒有這樣子,因為看這個職缺嘛,可能當中有點誤會,而且剛講邊線低壓幹嘛,這普遍的問題我們絕對從源頭來探討,不講說挖東牆補西牆,所以剛才委員特別提醒我們,不要眼前問題,以未來方案來補眼前問題,不過早就講這句話,\n\n37\n00:12:46,795 --> 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集敵於陣地前\n287367\t302386\t因為以前推到貪案以後,沒有往下推的原因在哪裡,覺得在那個地方是決勝點,有機會可以殲滅。但後來要推幾年以後,人家不就講了嗎,哎喲,你們只打到貪案,貪完了就不打了,就投降了。\n303846\t332463\t我跟委員報告,國軍沒有這種概念,打哪就不打了。所以我為什麼一上任以後我就講奉陪到底。那現在為什麼要強化城鎮作戰,就代表我們前面遠距、精準、堅敵海上這些狀況都已經過了。所以我爭當說一兵一卒,那不就到城鎮了嗎?並沒有想到要把戰爭帶起來,我們能夠抵擋在外面,源頭自止,最好具體彼岸,還沒出來打掉。\n333143\t333223\t國防部長\n359859\t372679\t我們放心不放心我們意見但我要讓國軍放心部長除了國軍放心以外我們也在乎的是民眾也要放心我們相信國防部有做準備可是我們現在因為過去大家都認為我們的灘難\n375143\t381350\t在決戰的時候就可以把敵人殲滅當然那時候一直是這樣的一個概念我們當然也不是要投降可是現在如果民間有這樣子的一個舉措的時候其實顯示到民心在浮動當然第一優先是要兩岸和平\n392882\t401526\t這是全世界包括我相信其他國家也不希望我們這裡有什麼樣的一個戰端那這是最好的一個狀況這也要看國家領導人的智慧跟能力那如果在不得已的情況之下會有什麼樣的演變應該要讓國人清楚的知道我們必須要做什麼樣的準備不是只有前線的國軍做準備如果真的要打到城鎮戰我們的人民應該要做什麼\n420094\t420274\t對,我跟委員\n449815\t474283\t國防委員報告兩點很簡單的軍事是政治的延長很多問題政治問題政治方面被擺平了沒有軍事的問題我們也不期望陳吳剛委員也講任何人沒有人期望打仗軍人也一樣但軍人他不願意但他因為責任所在一旦有狀況他非要抵死去抗拒不可這是我們的一個基本概念第一個\n475123\t475263\t國防部長邱國正\n493550\t493590\t﹚馬文君\n523990\t530672\t那這個有兩個問題因為本席接到很多的陳情案很多人想要去考試就是說在他的生涯規劃裡面他想要去應徵參加考試去徵選其他單位的職缺可是給他的提\n540996\t563710\t理由或者給本席的理由是因為邊境邊線比太低那到底哪一個才是對的一定有一個說謊嗎我們的業務報告做假的這些數據資料或者他也許是真的可是他有兩個情況第一就是你的目標定的很低所以你高達百分之一百多的招募的一個成效成效卓著\n564150\t577970\t第二就是事實上我們的訓練並不足,你只能定這樣的標準,可是事實上我們的邊線比還是嚴重的不足,因為最近我們有看到我們的新的一個名詞叫做平均邊線比\n579272\t582474\t我想很簡單的一個問題就是F16V我們已經在5年前那個美國同意賣給我們的時候就已經5年的時間那這5年我們到底招募了多少合格的飛行員就F16V因為你說平均邊線比這是不合理的你今天飛慢速戰鬥機的可以飛F16V嗎\n602028\t602288\t我跟委員會議一分鐘\n625058\t639854\t剛剛委員提了兩個問題,第一個邊線筆是問題,並沒有明文規定邊線筆差別的話不能夠掉,但這個單位它一定是吧,邊線筆很低,你要到別單位去,到別單位可能做植物跟在這邊一樣的,它當不允許它走。\n640515\t659163\t他不是講說要加入了,我邊境比例不夠,你不要來,不是這樣的,這可能在傳達當中有誤會。今天早上我也問了陸軍,陸軍他左眼講,因為我邊境比例很低,所以你不要這個時候走。他這個是一個委婉的勸說,他如果硬要有家庭困難,一樣可以答應他,這是第一個。\n660143\t663424\t建軍備戰長久工作,在要採購之前,雖然要等到裝備到才能成軍,但前面的步調沒有停。\n678328\t699043\t因為他有配套他設施是有地方擺他人員是能夠同步的裝備一來就能夠去操作是在同步在做當中所以邊境比尤其空軍我們也很擔憂萬一飛行員不夠但目前為止我跟委員報告我們座艙比大概都還不錯一般譬如說好像國際上會計大概1.4我們大概也1.4以上了\n701645\t701685\t馬文君\n723351\t727334\t也許他的位置那裡邊線比也是不足可是他還是升了參謀長不能說上位的他可以調整而在基層的軍事官兵他沒有這個機會這個部分我們請部長去認真做考量好不好謝謝\n740504\t765855\t委員真的啊,我們沒有講要咬那麼緊啊,沒有講他能動這個不能動,沒有這樣子,因為看這個職缺嘛,可能當中有點誤會,而且剛講邊線低壓幹嘛,這普遍的問題我們絕對從源頭來探討,不講說挖東牆補西牆,所以剛才委員特別提醒我們,不要眼前問題,以未來方案來補眼前問題,不過早就講這句話,\n766795\t769657\t一個擬案歸擬案那未來你不講等到擬案完成了我補現在狀況那不行的我們要很具體好不好我絕對遵照委員的方法您聽到的可能是下面對你的說明可是我們還是讓我講一句話這個部分因為我們本席就是接到太多他不是單一所以就這個部分我們再去把它考量清楚好不好這個部分我們會提出來一定有他\n796379\t797664\t一定有相當的數據資料\n","txt":"謝謝主席 麻煩請部長來 部長請\n馬委員好部長好部長剛剛因為聽到徐委員有提到就是說我們有一些官社的部分那需要加強在這裡我也要建議有很多的官校其實官校是培養我們軍事人才的一個地方我最近接到有一些訊息就是他們說回到官校去參加一些活動的時候發現到包括有很多的門還有很多的\n實驗設備等等其實都是30年前的那這競爭力其實是有明顯的差距這個部分我們請國防部要特別重視而且去了解一下如果有必要因為我們跟很多的大專院校跟很多的學校沒有辦法相比我們就沒有辦法招到好的人才這個部分在這裡特別提出來那在這裡要特別請教部長\n就去年漢光演習的時候我們的實兵操演過去我們都是反登陸操演大概集結三軍兵火力我們演示的都是貪案間敵讓敵人上不來可是我們現在安排的是兩軍在貪案對峙攻防\n這可以顯示國軍的防衛作戰的重點他已經從貪案間敵向國土防衛這樣子來做一些調整那甚至在民間大家的感受甚至我們未來很可能已經要打城鎮戰\n這個也是造成很多的人形惶惶的部分因為最近也有一些資訊顯示有很多有能力有條件財務狀況許可的人其實已經把15歲以下的孩子往國外送\n﹚馬文君﹚\n不要說更長的時間近10年不管他是在基建的數量性能還有武器裝備他的推展跟他的進步其實全世界都是看得到也相信那就我們剛剛提到的現況包括我們海峽中線已經失去這樣子的一個大家的默契以後我們除了國軍\n每次都跟我們說因為我們每次的業務報告大概從過去在他們以前沒有這麼進步的情況之下也都是我們會透過情監偵的相關的這樣的一個手段會去做最好的一個防禦跟預警\n馬文君議員\n聽到那個警報不知道是什麼狀況地震他們可能還更緊張可是像這樣子的一個情況他甚至有共機飛到我們海峽中線越界的時候他我們應處的時間不到一分鐘\n那不是更緊張嗎?所以他到底該不該發,或者我們隨時面對這樣的情況的時候,我們應該,民眾應該有什麼樣的準備?這個部分是不是可以請部長跟我們說明一下?我跟委員報告三個問題,剛剛委員提到,第一個有關一個投資的,逐年投資營區修繕的,這我們會強化。\n剛才前面我也有問到新疆專不僅是新疆專每個單位都納入但是逐年編列預算來做一個營區整建修繕這是每個月他都有預算的他看他怎麼用這第一個我也要做這個強化第二個\n國土防衛行大家變成 哎呀 現在有沒有打 像城鎮戰我跟委員報告 早期漢光演習 一開頭到現在沒有變大原則 拒敵彼岸 堅敵海上空氣 毀敵泰岸 集敵於陣地前\n因為以前推到貪案以後,沒有往下推的原因在哪裡,覺得在那個地方是決勝點,有機會可以殲滅。但後來要推幾年以後,人家不就講了嗎,哎喲,你們只打到貪案,貪完了就不打了,就投降了。\n我跟委員報告,國軍沒有這種概念,打哪就不打了。所以我為什麼一上任以後我就講奉陪到底。那現在為什麼要強化城鎮作戰,就代表我們前面遠距、精準、堅敵海上這些狀況都已經過了。所以我爭當說一兵一卒,那不就到城鎮了嗎?並沒有想到要把戰爭帶起來,我們能夠抵擋在外面,源頭自止,最好具體彼岸,還沒出來打掉。\n國防部長\n我們放心不放心我們意見但我要讓國軍放心部長除了國軍放心以外我們也在乎的是民眾也要放心我們相信國防部有做準備可是我們現在因為過去大家都認為我們的灘難\n在決戰的時候就可以把敵人殲滅當然那時候一直是這樣的一個概念我們當然也不是要投降可是現在如果民間有這樣子的一個舉措的時候其實顯示到民心在浮動當然第一優先是要兩岸和平\n這是全世界包括我相信其他國家也不希望我們這裡有什麼樣的一個戰端那這是最好的一個狀況這也要看國家領導人的智慧跟能力那如果在不得已的情況之下會有什麼樣的演變應該要讓國人清楚的知道我們必須要做什麼樣的準備不是只有前線的國軍做準備如果真的要打到城鎮戰我們的人民應該要做什麼\n對,我跟委員\n國防委員報告兩點很簡單的軍事是政治的延長很多問題政治問題政治方面被擺平了沒有軍事的問題我們也不期望陳吳剛委員也講任何人沒有人期望打仗軍人也一樣但軍人他不願意但他因為責任所在一旦有狀況他非要抵死去抗拒不可這是我們的一個基本概念第一個\n國防部長邱國正\n﹚馬文君\n那這個有兩個問題因為本席接到很多的陳情案很多人想要去考試就是說在他的生涯規劃裡面他想要去應徵參加考試去徵選其他單位的職缺可是給他的提\n理由或者給本席的理由是因為邊境邊線比太低那到底哪一個才是對的一定有一個說謊嗎我們的業務報告做假的這些數據資料或者他也許是真的可是他有兩個情況第一就是你的目標定的很低所以你高達百分之一百多的招募的一個成效成效卓著\n第二就是事實上我們的訓練並不足,你只能定這樣的標準,可是事實上我們的邊線比還是嚴重的不足,因為最近我們有看到我們的新的一個名詞叫做平均邊線比\n我想很簡單的一個問題就是F16V我們已經在5年前那個美國同意賣給我們的時候就已經5年的時間那這5年我們到底招募了多少合格的飛行員就F16V因為你說平均邊線比這是不合理的你今天飛慢速戰鬥機的可以飛F16V嗎\n我跟委員會議一分鐘\n剛剛委員提了兩個問題,第一個邊線筆是問題,並沒有明文規定邊線筆差別的話不能夠掉,但這個單位它一定是吧,邊線筆很低,你要到別單位去,到別單位可能做植物跟在這邊一樣的,它當不允許它走。\n他不是講說要加入了,我邊境比例不夠,你不要來,不是這樣的,這可能在傳達當中有誤會。今天早上我也問了陸軍,陸軍他左眼講,因為我邊境比例很低,所以你不要這個時候走。他這個是一個委婉的勸說,他如果硬要有家庭困難,一樣可以答應他,這是第一個。\n建軍備戰長久工作,在要採購之前,雖然要等到裝備到才能成軍,但前面的步調沒有停。\n因為他有配套他設施是有地方擺他人員是能夠同步的裝備一來就能夠去操作是在同步在做當中所以邊境比尤其空軍我們也很擔憂萬一飛行員不夠但目前為止我跟委員報告我們座艙比大概都還不錯一般譬如說好像國際上會計大概1.4我們大概也1.4以上了\n馬文君\n也許他的位置那裡邊線比也是不足可是他還是升了參謀長不能說上位的他可以調整而在基層的軍事官兵他沒有這個機會這個部分我們請部長去認真做考量好不好謝謝\n委員真的啊,我們沒有講要咬那麼緊啊,沒有講他能動這個不能動,沒有這樣子,因為看這個職缺嘛,可能當中有點誤會,而且剛講邊線低壓幹嘛,這普遍的問題我們絕對從源頭來探討,不講說挖東牆補西牆,所以剛才委員特別提醒我們,不要眼前問題,以未來方案來補眼前問題,不過早就講這句話,\n一個擬案歸擬案那未來你不講等到擬案完成了我補現在狀況那不行的我們要很具體好不好我絕對遵照委員的方法您聽到的可能是下面對你的說明可是我們還是讓我講一句話這個部分因為我們本席就是接到太多他不是單一所以就這個部分我們再去把它考量清楚好不好這個部分我們會提出來一定有他\n一定有相當的數據資料\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.834 --> 00:01.820\n謝謝主席麻煩請部長來部長請\n\n00:13.583 --> 00:22.887\n馬委員好部長好部長剛剛因為聽到徐委員有提到就是說我們有一些官社的部分那需要加強在這裡我也要建議有很多的官校其實官校是培養我們軍事人才的一個地方我最近接到有一些訊息就是他們說回到官校去參加一些活動的時候發現到包括有很多的門還有很多的\n\n00:44.956 --> 01:06.010\n實驗設備等等其實都是30年前的那這競爭力其實是有明顯的差距這個部分我們請國防部要特別重視而且去了解一下如果有必要因為我們跟很多的大專院校跟很多的學校沒有辦法相比我們就沒有辦法招到好的人才這個部分在這裡特別提出來那在這裡要特別請教部長\n\n01:09.993 --> 01:27.834\n就去年漢光演習的時候我們的實兵操演過去我們都是反登陸操演大概集結三軍兵火力我們演示的都是貪案間敵讓敵人上不來可是我們現在安排的是兩軍在貪案對峙攻防\n\n01:28.835 --> 01:45.113\n這可以顯示國軍的防衛作戰的重點他已經從貪案間敵向國土防衛這樣子來做一些調整那甚至在民間大家的感受甚至我們未來很可能已經要打城鎮戰\n\n01:46.434 --> 01:55.060\n這個也是造成很多的人形惶惶的部分因為最近也有一些資訊顯示有很多有能力有條件財務狀況許可的人其實已經把15歲以下的孩子往國外送\n\n02:01.684 --> 02:01.884\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n02:29.918 --> 02:48.310\n不要說更長的時間近10年不管他是在基建的數量性能還有武器裝備他的推展跟他的進步其實全世界都是看得到也相信那就我們剛剛提到的現況包括我們海峽中線已經失去這樣子的一個大家的默契以後我們除了國軍\n\n02:58.396 --> 03:01.620\n每次都跟我們說因為我們每次的業務報告大概從過去在他們以前沒有這麼進步的情況之下也都是我們會透過情監偵的相關的這樣的一個手段會去做最好的一個防禦跟預警\n\n03:15.214 --> 03:15.254\n馬文君議員\n\n03:36.537 --> 03:48.666\n聽到那個警報不知道是什麼狀況地震他們可能還更緊張可是像這樣子的一個情況他甚至有共機飛到我們海峽中線越界的時候他我們應處的時間不到一分鐘\n\n03:53.109 --> 04:11.145\n那不是更緊張嗎?所以他到底該不該發,或者我們隨時面對這樣的情況的時候,我們應該,民眾應該有什麼樣的準備?這個部分是不是可以請部長跟我們說明一下?我跟委員報告三個問題,剛剛委員提到,第一個有關一個投資的,逐年投資營區修繕的,這我們會強化。\n\n04:14.648 --> 04:28.274\n剛才前面我也有問到新疆專不僅是新疆專每個單位都納入但是逐年編列預算來做一個營區整建修繕這是每個月他都有預算的他看他怎麼用這第一個我也要做這個強化第二個\n\n04:30.115 --> 04:41.803\n國土防衛行大家變成哎呀現在有沒有打像城鎮戰我跟委員報告早期漢光演習一開頭到現在沒有變大原則拒敵彼岸堅敵海上空氣毀敵泰岸集敵於陣地前\n\n04:47.367 --> 05:02.386\n因為以前推到貪案以後,沒有往下推的原因在哪裡,覺得在那個地方是決勝點,有機會可以殲滅。但後來要推幾年以後,人家不就講了嗎,哎喲,你們只打到貪案,貪完了就不打了,就投降了。\n\n05:03.846 --> 05:32.463\n我跟委員報告,國軍沒有這種概念,打哪就不打了。所以我為什麼一上任以後我就講奉陪到底。那現在為什麼要強化城鎮作戰,就代表我們前面遠距、精準、堅敵海上這些狀況都已經過了。所以我爭當說一兵一卒,那不就到城鎮了嗎?並沒有想到要把戰爭帶起來,我們能夠抵擋在外面,源頭自止,最好具體彼岸,還沒出來打掉。\n\n05:33.143 --> 05:33.223\n國防部長\n\n05:59.859 --> 06:12.679\n我們放心不放心我們意見但我要讓國軍放心部長除了國軍放心以外我們也在乎的是民眾也要放心我們相信國防部有做準備可是我們現在因為過去大家都認為我們的灘難\n\n06:15.143 --> 06:21.350\n在決戰的時候就可以把敵人殲滅當然那時候一直是這樣的一個概念我們當然也不是要投降可是現在如果民間有這樣子的一個舉措的時候其實顯示到民心在浮動當然第一優先是要兩岸和平\n\n06:32.882 --> 06:41.526\n這是全世界包括我相信其他國家也不希望我們這裡有什麼樣的一個戰端那這是最好的一個狀況這也要看國家領導人的智慧跟能力那如果在不得已的情況之下會有什麼樣的演變應該要讓國人清楚的知道我們必須要做什麼樣的準備不是只有前線的國軍做準備如果真的要打到城鎮戰我們的人民應該要做什麼\n\n07:00.094 --> 07:00.274\n對,我跟委員\n\n07:29.815 --> 07:54.283\n國防委員報告兩點很簡單的軍事是政治的延長很多問題政治問題政治方面被擺平了沒有軍事的問題我們也不期望陳吳剛委員也講任何人沒有人期望打仗軍人也一樣但軍人他不願意但他因為責任所在一旦有狀況他非要抵死去抗拒不可這是我們的一個基本概念第一個\n\n07:55.123 --> 07:55.263\n國防部長邱國正\n\n08:13.550 --> 08:13.590\n﹚馬文君\n\n08:43.990 --> 08:50.672\n那這個有兩個問題因為本席接到很多的陳情案很多人想要去考試就是說在他的生涯規劃裡面他想要去應徵參加考試去徵選其他單位的職缺可是給他的提\n\n09:00.996 --> 09:23.710\n理由或者給本席的理由是因為邊境邊線比太低那到底哪一個才是對的一定有一個說謊嗎我們的業務報告做假的這些數據資料或者他也許是真的可是他有兩個情況第一就是你的目標定的很低所以你高達百分之一百多的招募的一個成效成效卓著\n\n09:24.150 --> 09:37.970\n第二就是事實上我們的訓練並不足,你只能定這樣的標準,可是事實上我們的邊線比還是嚴重的不足,因為最近我們有看到我們的新的一個名詞叫做平均邊線比\n\n09:39.272 --> 09:42.474\n我想很簡單的一個問題就是F16V我們已經在5年前那個美國同意賣給我們的時候就已經5年的時間那這5年我們到底招募了多少合格的飛行員就F16V因為你說平均邊線比這是不合理的你今天飛慢速戰鬥機的可以飛F16V嗎\n\n10:02.028 --> 10:02.288\n我跟委員會議一分鐘\n\n10:25.058 --> 10:39.854\n剛剛委員提了兩個問題,第一個邊線筆是問題,並沒有明文規定邊線筆差別的話不能夠掉,但這個單位它一定是吧,邊線筆很低,你要到別單位去,到別單位可能做植物跟在這邊一樣的,它當不允許它走。\n\n10:40.515 --> 10:59.163\n他不是講說要加入了,我邊境比例不夠,你不要來,不是這樣的,這可能在傳達當中有誤會。今天早上我也問了陸軍,陸軍他左眼講,因為我邊境比例很低,所以你不要這個時候走。他這個是一個委婉的勸說,他如果硬要有家庭困難,一樣可以答應他,這是第一個。\n\n11:00.143 --> 11:03.424\n建軍備戰長久工作,在要採購之前,雖然要等到裝備到才能成軍,但前面的步調沒有停。\n\n11:18.328 --> 11:39.043\n因為他有配套他設施是有地方擺他人員是能夠同步的裝備一來就能夠去操作是在同步在做當中所以邊境比尤其空軍我們也很擔憂萬一飛行員不夠但目前為止我跟委員報告我們座艙比大概都還不錯一般譬如說好像國際上會計大概1.4我們大概也1.4以上了\n\n11:41.645 --> 11:41.685\n馬文君\n\n12:03.351 --> 12:07.334\n也許他的位置那裡邊線比也是不足可是他還是升了參謀長不能說上位的他可以調整而在基層的軍事官兵他沒有這個機會這個部分我們請部長去認真做考量好不好謝謝\n\n12:20.504 --> 12:45.855\n委員真的啊,我們沒有講要咬那麼緊啊,沒有講他能動這個不能動,沒有這樣子,因為看這個職缺嘛,可能當中有點誤會,而且剛講邊線低壓幹嘛,這普遍的問題我們絕對從源頭來探討,不講說挖東牆補西牆,所以剛才委員特別提醒我們,不要眼前問題,以未來方案來補眼前問題,不過早就講這句話,\n\n12:46.795 --> 12:49.657\n一個擬案歸擬案那未來你不講等到擬案完成了我補現在狀況那不行的我們要很具體好不好我絕對遵照委員的方法您聽到的可能是下面對你的說明可是我們還是讓我講一句話這個部分因為我們本席就是接到太多他不是單一所以就這個部分我們再去把它考量清楚好不好這個部分我們會提出來一定有他\n\n13:16.379 --> 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