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00:01:53,963\n所以我們對於這個違反食品安全衛生如果涉及刑責的話檢察機關都是會全力以赴是部長您這個回答我今天早上看了您昨天發4點多發布的新聞稿是那新聞稿裡面剛提到您剛講的就是有雲林還有新北新北還有高雄地檢署3個地檢署那我們有這個地檢署都有積極介入偵辦協助偵辦這些不法業者\n\n7\n00:01:56,764 --> 00:02:14,437\n但是我剛才提到的就是說高檢署的打擊民生犯罪督導小組你有這個平台嘛有那你現在只有三個縣市你有督導全國各縣市的地檢署同步的協助我們各地方政府來追查這些蘇丹紅的流向嗎\n\n8\n00:02:16,318 --> 00:02:42,059\n這個小組有啟動嗎?有啟動嗎?我相信應該有,他們的資訊都會流通,然後互相支援。你講相信有,到底有阿不,你說相信有?沒有啦,那絕對會啦,他們對這個案子的處理都會向上呈報,呈報的話在高檢署,高檢署都會發現是不是別的轄區也有同樣的狀況,他們就會...部長我點出這個問題,所以連你都不知道?\n\n9\n00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:48,047\n高檢署到底有沒有啟動這個打擊民生犯罪督導小組?我相信因為...地檢署也有食品藥物的犯罪查緝小組\n\n10\n00:02:58,942 --> 00:03:15,111\n到底這些小組你成立這麼多小組這些食品安全的事情發生的時候這些小組有沒有發揮他的一個功能因為平時他們就會跟當地的衛生單位還有這些食品檢驗單位都會保持密切的聯繫\n\n11\n00:03:16,051 --> 00:03:44,444\n那平台的功能就是要有資訊的互通嘛討論嘛如果案件發生的時候要共同來查緝所以你要主動嘛你不是被動嗎這樣看起來就是說好像我們的高檢署或者是低檢署的這些這個督導小組都是很被動嗎呃會啦會主動啦而且可能各縣市政府告訴你之後你才去這個去啟動這個平常都有聯繫那我想只要一發生就會立即的來處理\n\n12\n00:03:46,092 --> 00:04:01,591\n所以這些督導小組的功能到底不是現在你才匯報匯整說有三個縣市他現在這個偵查的一個結果怎麼樣這也是提供給我們的我們才知道有多少地方已經有在辦但是你現在有這個小組你是不是應該\n\n13\n00:04:02,772 --> 00:04:16,682\n發生這些事情我們檢方高檢署的這個督導小組或者食品第一檢署的食品查緝小組就開始自己要去主動的協助了啊不是要主動能夠一直背吐嗎\n\n14\n00:04:17,623 --> 00:04:33,360\n不會啦,平常他們就會很積極啦所以我想這個既然有小組,都道小組,我們就要比較積極的啊是,尤其這個影響到人民的這種食品安全嘛,這很重要是,好啦,在你的問題中齁\n\n15\n00:04:35,262 --> 00:04:56,337\n我想我們就有關剛才那個謝榮介委員也提到金門海域這一次的這個事情就我們海巡艦艇跟大陸漁船碰撞事件這個事情那在查緝過程中造成兩死兩傷的事件我想我用比較中性就是在查緝的過程中造成這個不幸的事件\n\n16\n00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:08,391\n請教部長,金門地檢署對這個案子的定調是什麼?是過失致死還是其他的方向來偵辦?\n\n17\n00:05:10,595 --> 00:05:29,386\n任何可能他都要來收集證據來處理那現在他們還在努力的在查證然後包括要等待鑑定的結果因為涉及到有人死亡那他們第一時間就接獲通報以後也採取相驗的動作\n\n18\n00:05:30,286 --> 00:05:55,244\n所以是朝過失致人於死的方向來這個不一定有人死亡當然還要後續的修正然後才能去做認定我想這個大家都心知肚明這個就像一般車禍案件一樣警方或者說警方追逐我們的逃犯發生碰撞事件這個然後有人死亡那這種情況那到底說這個是\n\n19\n00:05:56,625 --> 00:06:25,205\n我們在檢方在因為有人死亡我們在辦這個案子的時候到底檢方查詢的過程是合法或者有過失不當就是這種案件嘛怎麼不需要遮遮掩掩的嘛沒有這是事實認定的問題啊我們來尊重所以因為有人死亡所以你偵辦的方向就過失致死嗎你還有什麼方向可以偵辦的都有可能啦一般的我們死亡檢察官去商業也有可能是意外死亡意外死亡\n\n20\n00:06:26,297 --> 00:06:34,352\n但是現在是因為當然最後一定是意外死亡啦但是他是過失還是他有沒有過失或者是過檔這不是我們要查的\n\n21\n00:06:37,024 --> 00:06:57,991\n這都有可能嘛所以說你委員講的當然也是查了一個方向之一啦所以你是往一定是朝過失之人的不是一定啦就是說這個也不排除但是他也是他偵查的方向之一啦我不是說朝這個方向偵辦我們的海巡人員就有過失啦而是說你是朝這個方向偵辦那到底\n\n22\n00:06:58,591 --> 00:07:26,237\n在整個查細的過程有沒有不當或者有沒有這個我們所謂的過失的問題這查清楚就好了嘛因為人死亡啊對不對所以我們在查嘛對不對所以我才問你說我們是不是往這個方向偵辦嘛不一定各種方向都有可能各種方向都有可能好你各種方向都去查也好啦反正就把事情查清楚這是本來就拿官的責任啦這個事情大概我們還要查多久那\n\n23\n00:07:28,533 --> 00:07:54,118\n多久當然是由陳辦的講話來判斷啦他越清楚越好越快速越好這大家的公式我現在真的要快一點啦因為現在齁你看我們現在這些事情到現在都沒有辦法快速的落幕現在大家社會期待的社會期待的就是這個司法檢察官趕快把這個事情查清楚查清楚還原真相盡快彌平這個爭議讓事件趕快落幕嘛\n\n24\n00:07:57,159 --> 00:08:22,634\n所以現在大家期待的是你們檢察官金門地檢署查出的一個事實的真相是怎麼樣他們充分的瞭解所以要盡快不然現在這些惡性螺旋惡意螺旋一直往上升高啊所以大家留待給我們偵辦單位一個空間啦信任的就是金門地檢署我現在看到整個到最後的現在慢慢聚焦在司法的一個偵辦\n\n25\n00:08:25,377 --> 00:08:40,885\n部長你也說希望能夠禁訴啦其實我講的這種案件真的要那麼久來偵辦嗎當然他也要一些家屬的配合還有其他單位的配合啦連最初的死因的一個結果大家都\n\n26\n00:08:41,425 --> 00:08:44,186\n司法偵查是當然會尊重家屬的意見但是最後的結果還是以我們這個偵查的一個證據我們來做出認定\n\n27\n00:09:03,032 --> 00:09:27,860\n所以我意思說我們依照客觀的證據趕快去給他這個訴審是不是家屬也不在場因為我們不知道發生什麼事所以你要看客觀的事跡你市政但是我們檢察官一般我看司法事務沒有家屬的意見我們會尊重但是不是作為我們判定的這個事實過程的一個依據當然啦所以我是說需要各方的配合要加速不是只有單靠檢察官而已\n\n28\n00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:55,605\n那我讓我們大家來努力嘛這樣拖太久這個大家對我們法務部檢察署的期待當初的事情就不會落幕啊所以我是希望說法務部能夠速增速節啦不要拖太久啦我會轉達對啦該辦的該查的證據就快速嘛不要在案子一直拖嘛你越拖下去二一螺旋一直升高嘛\n\n29\n00:09:56,545 --> 00:09:58,066\n法務部調查局搜索台灣辣品公司查扣\n\n30\n00:10:22,700 --> 00:10:41,579\n執行適當且有相關高階主管與職務利害關係者接觸頻繁．多次參與職務有利害關係者的引咽應酬及求續嚴重違反相關規定另外,調查局有部分外勤佔據點工作費憑證核銷也難為事法\n\n31\n00:10:45,903 --> 00:11:06,580\n這些微私有監察院已經提案糾正調查局是不是局長?確實有這個事吧?是有監察院有在調查中那有提出糾正了嗎?目前我們是有看到他的新聞稿但是他的糾正的意見或者是調查報告我們還沒有收到\n\n32\n00:11:07,270 --> 00:11:33,702\n那我們自己內部的調查的這個結果呢?完成沒有?因為這個案子它其實有涉及到另外一個偵辦中的案件那因為另外那個偵辦中的案件正在還沒有癥結那所以事實上我們有一些的相關的事證是沒有那麼清楚但是我們就我們可以掌握的部分我們有提供給監察院然後我們自己內部也有做一些的調查有做懲處了嗎?\n\n33\n00:11:34,922 --> 00:12:01,425\n目前還沒有我們還是要看監察院他正式的報告到了以後我們會根據他裡面所提的我們再來檢討改進包含如果是制度面有需要改善的那我們會檢討制度如果是執行面的話我們也會加強在執行上的要求那個局長我想這些事件都大家造成大家對調局的觀感不佳是是所以我想調局應該就是盡速把這些該懲處的就懲處\n\n34\n00:12:04,498 --> 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00:12:37,488\n我們會盡快但是監察院有提到的部分那這個部分我們當然一定要針對監察院所提到的我們來加以檢討改進\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t4541\t委員發言好謝謝主席好我先就教部長\n5799\t31069\t那部長我想我們現在大家很關心的就是蘇丹紅流竄全台這個事件目前我們的食安事件已經造成我們的民眾非常恐慌大家都不知道說到底現在這些熟知的食品公司生產的這些食品到底能不能吃人心惶惶大家到底要安心吃什麼所以我要請問部長高檢署\n34464\t52507\t不是有那個打擊民生犯罪督導小組嗎?是福建小組嗎?那另外地檢署也有食品藥物犯罪的查緝小組喔?有所以我問博定喔請問那現在針對這些食品安全的事件尤其蘇丹紅這個事件\n53348\t72031\t我們的高檢署的打金名聲犯罪督導小組有啟動這個小組的平台來就這個事件做一個協助我們各地檢署來偵辦這個案件有沒有跟委員說明一下\n72572\t87069\t那關於蘇丹紅的這一部分我們已經有三個地檢署就已經啟動偵查而且也曾經向法院聲押其中有兩個人獲准所以其他的還有交保的\n87489\t113963\t所以我們對於這個違反食品安全衛生如果涉及刑責的話檢察機關都是會全力以赴是部長您這個回答我今天早上看了您昨天發4點多發布的新聞稿是那新聞稿裡面剛提到您剛講的就是有雲林還有新北新北還有高雄地檢署3個地檢署那我們有這個地檢署都有積極介入偵辦協助偵辦這些不法業者\n116764\t134437\t但是我剛才提到的就是說高檢署的打擊民生犯罪督導小組你有這個平台嘛有那你現在只有三個縣市你有督導全國各縣市的地檢署同步的協助我們各地方政府來追查這些蘇丹紅的流向嗎\n136318\t162059\t這個小組有啟動嗎?有啟動嗎?我相信應該有,他們的資訊都會流通,然後互相支援。你講相信有,到底有阿不,你說相信有?沒有啦,那絕對會啦,他們對這個案子的處理都會向上呈報,呈報的話在高檢署,高檢署都會發現是不是別的轄區也有同樣的狀況,他們就會...部長我點出這個問題,所以連你都不知道?\n162719\t168047\t高檢署到底有沒有啟動這個打擊民生犯罪督導小組?我相信因為...地檢署也有食品藥物的犯罪查緝小組\n178942\t195111\t到底這些小組你成立這麼多小組這些食品安全的事情發生的時候這些小組有沒有發揮他的一個功能因為平時他們就會跟當地的衛生單位還有這些食品檢驗單位都會保持密切的聯繫\n196051\t224444\t那平台的功能就是要有資訊的互通嘛討論嘛如果案件發生的時候要共同來查緝所以你要主動嘛你不是被動嗎這樣看起來就是說好像我們的高檢署或者是低檢署的這些這個督導小組都是很被動嗎呃 會啦 會主動啦 而且可能各縣市政府告訴你之後你才去這個去啟動這個平常都有聯繫那我想只要一發生就會立即的來處理\n226092\t241591\t所以這些督導小組的功能到底不是現在你才匯報匯整說有三個縣市他現在這個偵查的一個結果怎麼樣這也是提供給我們的我們才知道有多少地方已經有在辦但是你現在有這個小組你是不是應該\n242772\t256682\t發生這些事情我們檢方高檢署的這個督導小組或者食品第一檢署的食品查緝小組就開始自己要去主動的協助了啊不是要主動 能夠一直背吐嗎\n257623\t273360\t不會啦,平常他們就會很積極啦所以我想這個既然有小組,都道小組,我們就要比較積極的啊是,尤其這個影響到人民的這種食品安全嘛,這很重要是,好啦,在你的問題中齁\n275262\t296337\t我想我們就有關剛才那個謝榮介委員也提到金門海域這一次的這個事情就我們海巡艦艇跟大陸漁船碰撞事件這個事情那在查緝過程中造成兩死兩傷的事件我想我用比較中性就是在查緝的過程中造成這個不幸的事件\n298920\t308391\t請教部長,金門地檢署對這個案子的定調是什麼?是過失致死還是其他的方向來偵辦?\n310595\t329386\t任何可能他都要來收集證據來處理那現在他們還在努力的在查證然後包括要等待鑑定的結果因為涉及到有人死亡那他們第一時間就接獲通報以後也採取相驗的動作\n330286\t355244\t所以是朝過失致人於死的方向來這個不一定有人死亡當然還要後續的修正然後才能去做認定我想這個大家都心知肚明這個就像一般車禍案件一樣警方或者說警方追逐我們的逃犯發生碰撞事件這個然後有人死亡那這種情況那到底說這個是\n356625\t385205\t我們在檢方在因為有人死亡我們在辦這個案子的時候到底檢方查詢的過程是合法或者有過失不當就是這種案件嘛怎麼不需要遮遮掩掩的嘛沒有這是事實認定的問題啊我們來尊重所以因為有人死亡所以你偵辦的方向就過失致死嗎你還有什麼方向可以偵辦的都有可能啦一般的我們死亡檢察官去商業也有可能是意外死亡意外死亡\n386297\t394352\t但是現在是因為 當然最後一定是意外死亡啦但是他是過失還是 他有沒有過失 或者是過檔 這不是我們要查的\n397024\t417991\t這都有可能嘛所以說你委員講的當然也是查了一個方向之一啦所以你是往一定是朝過失之人的不是一定啦就是說這個也不排除但是他也是他偵查的方向之一啦我不是說朝這個方向偵辦我們的海巡人員就有過失啦而是說你是朝這個方向偵辦那到底\n418591\t446237\t在整個查細的過程有沒有不當或者有沒有這個我們所謂的過失的問題這查清楚就好了嘛因為人死亡啊對不對所以我們在查嘛對不對所以我才問你說我們是不是往這個方向偵辦嘛不一定各種方向都有可能各種方向都有可能好你各種方向都去查也好啦反正就把事情查清楚這是本來就拿官的責任啦這個事情大概我們還要查多久那\n448533\t474118\t多久當然是由陳辦的講話來判斷啦他越清楚越好越快速越好這大家的公式我現在真的要快一點啦因為現在齁你看我們現在這些事情到現在都沒有辦法快速的落幕現在大家社會期待的社會期待的就是這個司法檢察官趕快把這個事情查清楚查清楚還原真相盡快彌平這個爭議讓事件趕快落幕嘛\n477159\t502634\t所以現在大家期待的是你們檢察官金門地檢署查出的一個事實的真相是怎麼樣他們充分的瞭解所以要盡快 不然現在這些惡性螺旋 惡意螺旋一直往上升高啊所以大家留待給我們偵辦單位一個空間啦信任的就是金門地檢署我現在看到整個到最後的現在慢慢聚焦在司法的一個偵辦\n505377\t520885\t部長你也說希望能夠禁訴啦其實我講的這種案件真的要那麼久來偵辦嗎當然他也要一些家屬的配合還有其他單位的配合啦連最初的死因的一個結果大家都\n521425\t524186\t司法偵查是當然會尊重家屬的意見但是最後的結果還是以我們這個偵查的一個證據我們來做出認定\n543032\t567860\t所以我意思說我們依照客觀的證據趕快去給他這個訴審是不是家屬也不在場因為我們不知道發生什麼事所以你要看客觀的事跡你市政但是我們檢察官一般我看司法事務沒有家屬的意見我們會尊重但是不是作為我們判定的這個事實過程的一個依據當然啦所以我是說需要各方的配合要加速不是只有單靠檢察官而已\n569660\t595605\t那我讓我們大家來努力嘛這樣拖太久這個大家對我們法務部檢察署的期待當初的事情就不會落幕啊所以我是希望說法務部能夠速增速節啦不要拖太久啦我會轉達對啦該辦的該查的證據就快速嘛不要在案子一直拖嘛你越拖下去二一螺旋一直升高嘛\n596545\t598066\t法務部調查局搜索台灣辣品公司查扣\n622700\t641579\t執行適當且有相關高階主管與職務利害關係者接觸頻繁．多次參與職務有利害關係者的引咽應酬及求續嚴重違反相關規定另外,調查局有部分外勤佔據點工作費憑證核銷也難為事法\n645903\t666580\t這些微私有監察院已經提案糾正調查局是不是局長?確實有這個事吧?是 有監察院有在調查中那有提出糾正了嗎?目前我們是有看到他的新聞稿但是他的糾正的意見或者是調查報告我們還沒有收到\n667270\t693702\t那我們自己內部的調查的這個結果呢?完成沒有?因為這個案子它其實有涉及到另外一個偵辦中的案件那因為另外那個偵辦中的案件正在還沒有癥結那所以事實上我們有一些的相關的事證是沒有那麼清楚但是我們就我們可以掌握的部分我們有提供給監察院然後我們自己內部也有做一些的調查有做懲處了嗎?\n694922\t721425\t目前還沒有我們還是要看監察院他正式的報告到了以後我們會根據他裡面所提的我們再來檢討改進包含如果是制度面有需要改善的那我們會檢討制度如果是執行面的話我們也會加強在執行上的要求那個局長我想這些事件都大家造成大家對調局的觀感不佳是是所以我想調局應該就是盡速把這些該懲處的就懲處\n724498\t746354\t我想這些對調查局的名譽都造成很大的不良影響調查局要自清所以你要儘速做出懲處的內容還有具體改善措施我想調查局要儘速來做你不要等監察院的調查結果你自己做出行政調查不可以嗎\n749555\t757488\t我們會盡快 但是監察院有提到的部分 那這個部分我們當然一定要針對監察院所提到的 我們來加以檢討改進\n","txt":"委員發言好謝謝主席好我先就教部長\n那部長我想我們現在大家很關心的就是蘇丹紅流竄全台這個事件目前我們的食安事件已經造成我們的民眾非常恐慌大家都不知道說到底現在這些熟知的食品公司生產的這些食品到底能不能吃人心惶惶大家到底要安心吃什麼所以我要請問部長高檢署\n不是有那個打擊民生犯罪督導小組嗎?是福建小組嗎?那另外地檢署也有食品藥物犯罪的查緝小組喔?有所以我問博定喔請問那現在針對這些食品安全的事件尤其蘇丹紅這個事件\n我們的高檢署的打金名聲犯罪督導小組有啟動這個小組的平台來就這個事件做一個協助我們各地檢署來偵辦這個案件有沒有跟委員說明一下\n那關於蘇丹紅的這一部分我們已經有三個地檢署就已經啟動偵查而且也曾經向法院聲押其中有兩個人獲准所以其他的還有交保的\n所以我們對於這個違反食品安全衛生如果涉及刑責的話檢察機關都是會全力以赴是部長您這個回答我今天早上看了您昨天發4點多發布的新聞稿是那新聞稿裡面剛提到您剛講的就是有雲林還有新北新北還有高雄地檢署3個地檢署那我們有這個地檢署都有積極介入偵辦協助偵辦這些不法業者\n但是我剛才提到的就是說高檢署的打擊民生犯罪督導小組你有這個平台嘛有那你現在只有三個縣市你有督導全國各縣市的地檢署同步的協助我們各地方政府來追查這些蘇丹紅的流向嗎\n這個小組有啟動嗎?有啟動嗎?我相信應該有,他們的資訊都會流通,然後互相支援。你講相信有,到底有阿不,你說相信有?沒有啦,那絕對會啦,他們對這個案子的處理都會向上呈報,呈報的話在高檢署,高檢署都會發現是不是別的轄區也有同樣的狀況,他們就會...部長我點出這個問題,所以連你都不知道?\n高檢署到底有沒有啟動這個打擊民生犯罪督導小組?我相信因為...地檢署也有食品藥物的犯罪查緝小組\n到底這些小組你成立這麼多小組這些食品安全的事情發生的時候這些小組有沒有發揮他的一個功能因為平時他們就會跟當地的衛生單位還有這些食品檢驗單位都會保持密切的聯繫\n那平台的功能就是要有資訊的互通嘛討論嘛如果案件發生的時候要共同來查緝所以你要主動嘛你不是被動嗎這樣看起來就是說好像我們的高檢署或者是低檢署的這些這個督導小組都是很被動嗎呃 會啦 會主動啦 而且可能各縣市政府告訴你之後你才去這個去啟動這個平常都有聯繫那我想只要一發生就會立即的來處理\n所以這些督導小組的功能到底不是現在你才匯報匯整說有三個縣市他現在這個偵查的一個結果怎麼樣這也是提供給我們的我們才知道有多少地方已經有在辦但是你現在有這個小組你是不是應該\n發生這些事情我們檢方高檢署的這個督導小組或者食品第一檢署的食品查緝小組就開始自己要去主動的協助了啊不是要主動 能夠一直背吐嗎\n不會啦,平常他們就會很積極啦所以我想這個既然有小組,都道小組,我們就要比較積極的啊是,尤其這個影響到人民的這種食品安全嘛,這很重要是,好啦,在你的問題中齁\n我想我們就有關剛才那個謝榮介委員也提到金門海域這一次的這個事情就我們海巡艦艇跟大陸漁船碰撞事件這個事情那在查緝過程中造成兩死兩傷的事件我想我用比較中性就是在查緝的過程中造成這個不幸的事件\n請教部長,金門地檢署對這個案子的定調是什麼?是過失致死還是其他的方向來偵辦?\n任何可能他都要來收集證據來處理那現在他們還在努力的在查證然後包括要等待鑑定的結果因為涉及到有人死亡那他們第一時間就接獲通報以後也採取相驗的動作\n所以是朝過失致人於死的方向來這個不一定有人死亡當然還要後續的修正然後才能去做認定我想這個大家都心知肚明這個就像一般車禍案件一樣警方或者說警方追逐我們的逃犯發生碰撞事件這個然後有人死亡那這種情況那到底說這個是\n我們在檢方在因為有人死亡我們在辦這個案子的時候到底檢方查詢的過程是合法或者有過失不當就是這種案件嘛怎麼不需要遮遮掩掩的嘛沒有這是事實認定的問題啊我們來尊重所以因為有人死亡所以你偵辦的方向就過失致死嗎你還有什麼方向可以偵辦的都有可能啦一般的我們死亡檢察官去商業也有可能是意外死亡意外死亡\n但是現在是因為 當然最後一定是意外死亡啦但是他是過失還是 他有沒有過失 或者是過檔 這不是我們要查的\n這都有可能嘛所以說你委員講的當然也是查了一個方向之一啦所以你是往一定是朝過失之人的不是一定啦就是說這個也不排除但是他也是他偵查的方向之一啦我不是說朝這個方向偵辦我們的海巡人員就有過失啦而是說你是朝這個方向偵辦那到底\n在整個查細的過程有沒有不當或者有沒有這個我們所謂的過失的問題這查清楚就好了嘛因為人死亡啊對不對所以我們在查嘛對不對所以我才問你說我們是不是往這個方向偵辦嘛不一定各種方向都有可能各種方向都有可能好你各種方向都去查也好啦反正就把事情查清楚這是本來就拿官的責任啦這個事情大概我們還要查多久那\n多久當然是由陳辦的講話來判斷啦他越清楚越好越快速越好這大家的公式我現在真的要快一點啦因為現在齁你看我們現在這些事情到現在都沒有辦法快速的落幕現在大家社會期待的社會期待的就是這個司法檢察官趕快把這個事情查清楚查清楚還原真相盡快彌平這個爭議讓事件趕快落幕嘛\n所以現在大家期待的是你們檢察官金門地檢署查出的一個事實的真相是怎麼樣他們充分的瞭解所以要盡快 不然現在這些惡性螺旋 惡意螺旋一直往上升高啊所以大家留待給我們偵辦單位一個空間啦信任的就是金門地檢署我現在看到整個到最後的現在慢慢聚焦在司法的一個偵辦\n部長你也說希望能夠禁訴啦其實我講的這種案件真的要那麼久來偵辦嗎當然他也要一些家屬的配合還有其他單位的配合啦連最初的死因的一個結果大家都\n司法偵查是當然會尊重家屬的意見但是最後的結果還是以我們這個偵查的一個證據我們來做出認定\n所以我意思說我們依照客觀的證據趕快去給他這個訴審是不是家屬也不在場因為我們不知道發生什麼事所以你要看客觀的事跡你市政但是我們檢察官一般我看司法事務沒有家屬的意見我們會尊重但是不是作為我們判定的這個事實過程的一個依據當然啦所以我是說需要各方的配合要加速不是只有單靠檢察官而已\n那我讓我們大家來努力嘛這樣拖太久這個大家對我們法務部檢察署的期待當初的事情就不會落幕啊所以我是希望說法務部能夠速增速節啦不要拖太久啦我會轉達對啦該辦的該查的證據就快速嘛不要在案子一直拖嘛你越拖下去二一螺旋一直升高嘛\n法務部調查局搜索台灣辣品公司查扣\n執行適當且有相關高階主管與職務利害關係者接觸頻繁．多次參與職務有利害關係者的引咽應酬及求續嚴重違反相關規定另外,調查局有部分外勤佔據點工作費憑證核銷也難為事法\n這些微私有監察院已經提案糾正調查局是不是局長?確實有這個事吧?是 有監察院有在調查中那有提出糾正了嗎?目前我們是有看到他的新聞稿但是他的糾正的意見或者是調查報告我們還沒有收到\n那我們自己內部的調查的這個結果呢?完成沒有?因為這個案子它其實有涉及到另外一個偵辦中的案件那因為另外那個偵辦中的案件正在還沒有癥結那所以事實上我們有一些的相關的事證是沒有那麼清楚但是我們就我們可以掌握的部分我們有提供給監察院然後我們自己內部也有做一些的調查有做懲處了嗎?\n目前還沒有我們還是要看監察院他正式的報告到了以後我們會根據他裡面所提的我們再來檢討改進包含如果是制度面有需要改善的那我們會檢討制度如果是執行面的話我們也會加強在執行上的要求那個局長我想這些事件都大家造成大家對調局的觀感不佳是是所以我想調局應該就是盡速把這些該懲處的就懲處\n我想這些對調查局的名譽都造成很大的不良影響調查局要自清所以你要儘速做出懲處的內容還有具體改善措施我想調查局要儘速來做你不要等監察院的調查結果你自己做出行政調查不可以嗎\n我們會盡快 但是監察院有提到的部分 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