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00:02:47,957\n所以其實不需要再去立一個新的投信投股法用既有的投信投股法改這個辦法就可以讓數位錢帳能夠進來那剛剛委員有問到說政府機關讓人民洽工的時候是不是三年之後都要能夠用電子文件等等\n\n9\n00:02:48,737 --> 00:03:11,370\n這個跟我們用來請Facebook或者Google防詐這兩個是兩件事情就這個的日落期跟這個是不一定有關係的但是當然我們是很希望說各部會都能夠加速進行只是各部會告訴我們說有時候要升級一些系統等等他需要經過一個預算編列核定的程序那個程序本身就可能要一年多所以是因為這樣的關係我們才寫三年當然能更快是更好\n\n10\n00:03:12,244 --> 00:03:14,706\n徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副\n\n11\n00:03:35,425 --> 00:04:03,512\n那這件事情也很感謝內政部已經同意各行各業包含民間的公司等等只要適用各自法大家都適用各自法就可以來申請這個行動自然憑證的運用所以目前在法規上面已經沒有任何這個就是阻止民間來跟內政部申請接下來大概都是一些技術方面的問題所以我們是很期待說只要三讀通過電子簽證法給數位簽商推定為本人簽的這個法律效力我們這個民間技術的配套在那個時候大概就可以ready\n\n12\n00:04:05,061 --> 00:04:31,107\n部長我想這個部分我們整個社會的期待還是希望能夠加快這個打詐的這個防堵的速度然後針對這個相關的罰則處分的部分也應該加強化那這部分是不是請部長這邊能夠也帶領我們的同仁加快速度那另外針對我們屏東縣這個老年人口這個已經有20%的比例這個高於全國那\n\n13\n00:04:31,827 --> 00:04:59,569\n我知道我們數位部、數發部也一直在針對所謂一個遠距交取的醫療的部分有在努力那針對這個部分因為我們屏東有很大的地方是所謂一個遠向跟一個偏向那為了針對這個遠距怎麼樣協助屏東縣落實這個醫療資源的一個處理的上面請部長這個做一個說明好的謝謝委員我們當然剛剛提到我們跟衛福部有非常多的合作所以至少確保說\n\n14\n00:05:00,209 --> 00:05:00,770\n徐富癸徐富癸\n\n15\n00:05:21,264 --> 00:05:39,957\n那如果需要詳情的話是不是我們司長這個再跟大家說明一下好不過因為我們屏東有一個狀況就是我們的所謂的網路系統的一個穩定性的問題啦那因為我們目前屏東還是以4G網路為主那這部分我們怎麼樣去協助我們的業者來做處理好謝謝委員\n\n16\n00:05:42,439 --> 00:06:05,108\n今年113年我們針對5G,屏東的台數已經到十幾台。就像我們剛剛部長說的,偏鄉會拉到96%,5G的涵蓋。這邊因為所有包括醫療包括教育都要靠這個傳輸,不管行網還是顧網。所以這邊也請委員放心我們會積極的拉,包括一些特定的偏鄉地區的鄉鎮我們都會加強。\n\n17\n00:06:06,128 --> 00:06:31,702\n對,但是我們從我們的預算書裡面看得到我們112年有編列所謂的一個遠距離流的一個預算但是113年沒有編列請問是為什麼沒有編列有很多是我們跟衛福部討論之後我們這邊會提大的公共建設那衛福部會在裡面有一塊但是這個雖然我們是做蒐整還有資料的互通等等但是那個部分預算的編列跟執行會要看衛福部那一本\n\n18\n00:06:32,332 --> 00:06:49,304\n好,那我想遠距交學也必須要我們部裡面跟外部部來跨部會整合那這部分還是請部長這邊多費心啦因為畢竟我們屏東縣這個府院遼闊非常需要這個相關的醫療的資源整合那這部分再麻煩部長一下沒問題,我們全力支持好\n\n19\n00:06:50,644 --> 00:07:12,836\n時間因素最後一個大家現在關心所謂一個數位身份證的一個問題那我想目前全世界有128個國家在使用我們的晶片數位身份證那之前我們也一直努力在推動那請教部長目前的問題出在哪裡先看委員報告就是國際組織統計那128裡面是有把我們算在裡面因為我們的自然憑證\n\n20\n00:07:13,636 --> 00:07:28,225\n當然以及現在行動自然憑證是算在能夠做簽章的這個晶片的身份那之前的主要的差別只是說有沒有一個獨立的個資機關以及內政部有沒有一個專門的法律來處理說如果每個人都可以讓他選擇說\n\n21\n00:07:29,406 --> 00:07:53,084\n要發這個有簽章能力的晶片身份證．或者當然他也可以選擇不領的這件事情有沒有一個法律來規範以及有沒有一個獨立的各自會我們看各國大概也都是最近就是有獨立的各自會然後來進行這方面的判斷所以我想我們在技術上面我們透過像行動自然憑證這個目前完全是自願的願意來申請的就有那至於全面的任何政策我想都是之後包含跟各自會進行討論\n\n22\n00:07:54,930 --> 00:08:13,723\n那我想因為衛生院組的問題還是資安的問題那所以這部分還是請我們數位發展部能夠提出相關的一些相關的意見那是不是也提供一份署名報告給本席包含我們這個TRO、ZTA等等這些資安的新的做法那我們也請這個同仁署名提供給您好謝謝部長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2334\t8423\t麥克風、麥克風謝謝主席有請部長請部長你好\n14726\t36216\t部長 這個謝謝就是您帶領部裡面針對這個打詐這一塊做了很多的努力但是我們在從數據上看起來確實從106年到目前為止不管是打詐的金額跟建樹還是有逐年攀升的一個趨勢那我想包含我自己的辦公室\n36636\t36796\t徐富癸\n58357\t84566\t目前打這案件只簽一個電子簽章的一個三讀的一個程序那我自己個人當然願意配合來修法那這部分部長怎麼看這個問題是謝謝委員讓我們有機會說明我們是電子簽章法的主管機關那剛才也提到網路廣告的這些線上大型平台像Facebook等等雖然目前還在經濟部那經濟部已經原則同意移給我們只要這兩個都完成我們就可以要求說\n85222\t109887\t在他們上這些他們要投資廣告他說他是某個名人嘛那現在的問題是說他自己說他名字跟這個名人一樣或很像但是並沒有辦法去驗證說他是不是真的同名同姓那透過數位簽章就是一個高等級好像硬件證明這樣的電子簽章除非他真的跟我同名同姓不然應該是不能夠冒用我的名義喔那好就算他改了名字跟我同名同姓那如果被發現是詐騙他的這個簽章也會被撤銷喔\n110407\t121719\t好部長那因為我們那個電子簽章的那個打仗打仗成效會定位在未來刊登網路廣告需要簽贊這部分但是我們在這次修法沒有看到任何的一個規劃那針對這部分\n125151\t148770\t您有提到說希望政府機關能夠有一個三年的緩衝期但是外界會認為太久了那如果說我們把時間壓縮在一年可不可行好謝謝委員詢問剛才我提到投資廣告的這個依據就是不是在我們部是在因為投資是金管會有一個投信投股法那在就是警政署刑事局有一個執行的這個要點\n149711\t167957\t所以其實不需要再去立一個新的投信投股法用既有的投信投股法改這個辦法就可以讓數位錢帳能夠進來那剛剛委員有問到說政府機關讓人民洽工的時候是不是三年之後都要能夠用電子文件等等\n168737\t191370\t這個跟我們用來請Facebook或者Google防詐這兩個是兩件事情就這個的日落期跟這個是不一定有關係的但是當然我們是很希望說各部會都能夠加速進行只是各部會告訴我們說有時候要升級一些系統等等他需要經過一個預算編列核定的程序那個程序本身就可能要一年多所以是因為這樣的關係我們才寫三年當然能更快是更好\n192244\t194706\t徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副\n215425\t243512\t那這件事情也很感謝內政部已經同意各行各業包含民間的公司等等只要適用各自法大家都適用各自法就可以來申請這個行動自然憑證的運用所以目前在法規上面已經沒有任何這個就是阻止民間來跟內政部申請接下來大概都是一些技術方面的問題所以我們是很期待說只要三讀通過電子簽證法給數位簽商推定為本人簽的這個法律效力我們這個民間技術的配套在那個時候大概就可以ready\n245061\t271107\t部長我想這個部分我們整個社會的期待還是希望能夠加快這個打詐的這個防堵的速度然後針對這個相關的罰則處分的部分也應該加強化那這部分是不是請部長這邊能夠也帶領我們的同仁加快速度那另外針對我們屏東縣這個老年人口這個已經有20%的比例這個高於全國那\n271827\t299569\t我知道我們數位部、數發部也一直在針對所謂一個遠距交取的醫療的部分有在努力那針對這個部分因為我們屏東有很大的地方是所謂一個遠向跟一個偏向那為了針對這個遠距怎麼樣協助屏東縣落實這個醫療資源的一個處理的上面請部長這個做一個說明好的謝謝委員我們當然剛剛提到我們跟衛福部有非常多的合作所以至少確保說\n300209\t300770\t徐富癸徐富癸\n321264\t339957\t那如果需要詳情的話是不是我們司長這個再跟大家說明一下好 不過因為我們屏東有一個狀況就是我們的所謂的網路系統的一個穩定性的問題啦那因為我們目前屏東還是以4G網路為主那這部分我們怎麼樣去協助我們的業者來做處理好 謝謝委員\n342439\t365108\t今年113年我們針對5G,屏東的台數已經到十幾台。就像我們剛剛部長說的,偏鄉會拉到96%,5G的涵蓋。這邊因為所有包括醫療包括教育都要靠這個傳輸,不管行網還是顧網。所以這邊也請委員放心我們會積極的拉,包括一些特定的偏鄉地區的鄉鎮我們都會加強。\n366128\t391702\t對,但是我們從我們的預算書裡面看得到我們112年有編列所謂的一個遠距離流的一個預算但是113年沒有編列請問是為什麼沒有編列有很多是我們跟衛福部討論之後我們這邊會提大的公共建設那衛福部會在裡面有一塊但是這個雖然我們是做蒐整還有資料的互通等等但是那個部分預算的編列跟執行會要看衛福部那一本\n392332\t409304\t好,那我想遠距交學也必須要我們部裡面跟外部部來跨部會整合那這部分還是請部長這邊多費心啦因為畢竟我們屏東縣這個府院遼闊非常需要這個相關的醫療的資源整合那這部分再麻煩部長一下沒問題,我們全力支持好\n410644\t432836\t時間因素最後一個大家現在關心所謂一個數位身份證的一個問題那我想目前全世界有128個國家在使用我們的晶片數位身份證那之前我們也一直努力在推動那請教部長目前的問題出在哪裡先看委員報告就是國際組織統計那128裡面是有把我們算在裡面因為我們的自然憑證\n433636\t448225\t當然以及現在行動自然憑證是算在能夠做簽章的這個晶片的身份那之前的主要的差別只是說有沒有一個獨立的個資機關以及內政部有沒有一個專門的法律來處理說如果每個人都可以讓他選擇說\n449406\t473084\t要發這個有簽章能力的晶片身份證．或者當然他也可以選擇不領的這件事情有沒有一個法律來規範以及有沒有一個獨立的各自會我們看各國大概也都是最近就是有獨立的各自會然後來進行這方面的判斷所以我想我們在技術上面我們透過像行動自然憑證這個目前完全是自願的願意來申請的就有那至於全面的任何政策我想都是之後包含跟各自會進行討論\n474930\t493723\t那我想因為衛生院組的問題還是資安的問題那所以這部分還是請我們數位發展部能夠提出相關的一些相關的意見那是不是也提供一份署名報告給本席包含我們這個TRO、ZTA等等這些資安的新的做法那我們也請這個同仁署名提供給您好謝謝部長謝謝主席\n","txt":"麥克風、麥克風謝謝主席有請部長請部長你好\n部長 這個謝謝就是您帶領部裡面針對這個打詐這一塊做了很多的努力但是我們在從數據上看起來確實從106年到目前為止不管是打詐的金額跟建樹還是有逐年攀升的一個趨勢那我想包含我自己的辦公室\n徐富癸\n目前打這案件只簽一個電子簽章的一個三讀的一個程序那我自己個人當然願意配合來修法那這部分部長怎麼看這個問題是謝謝委員讓我們有機會說明我們是電子簽章法的主管機關那剛才也提到網路廣告的這些線上大型平台像Facebook等等雖然目前還在經濟部那經濟部已經原則同意移給我們只要這兩個都完成我們就可以要求說\n在他們上這些他們要投資廣告他說他是某個名人嘛那現在的問題是說他自己說他名字跟這個名人一樣或很像但是並沒有辦法去驗證說他是不是真的同名同姓那透過數位簽章就是一個高等級好像硬件證明這樣的電子簽章除非他真的跟我同名同姓不然應該是不能夠冒用我的名義喔那好就算他改了名字跟我同名同姓那如果被發現是詐騙他的這個簽章也會被撤銷喔\n好部長那因為我們那個電子簽章的那個打仗打仗成效會定位在未來刊登網路廣告需要簽贊這部分但是我們在這次修法沒有看到任何的一個規劃那針對這部分\n您有提到說希望政府機關能夠有一個三年的緩衝期但是外界會認為太久了那如果說我們把時間壓縮在一年可不可行好謝謝委員詢問剛才我提到投資廣告的這個依據就是不是在我們部是在因為投資是金管會有一個投信投股法那在就是警政署刑事局有一個執行的這個要點\n所以其實不需要再去立一個新的投信投股法用既有的投信投股法改這個辦法就可以讓數位錢帳能夠進來那剛剛委員有問到說政府機關讓人民洽工的時候是不是三年之後都要能夠用電子文件等等\n這個跟我們用來請Facebook或者Google防詐這兩個是兩件事情就這個的日落期跟這個是不一定有關係的但是當然我們是很希望說各部會都能夠加速進行只是各部會告訴我們說有時候要升級一些系統等等他需要經過一個預算編列核定的程序那個程序本身就可能要一年多所以是因為這樣的關係我們才寫三年當然能更快是更好\n徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副\n那這件事情也很感謝內政部已經同意各行各業包含民間的公司等等只要適用各自法大家都適用各自法就可以來申請這個行動自然憑證的運用所以目前在法規上面已經沒有任何這個就是阻止民間來跟內政部申請接下來大概都是一些技術方面的問題所以我們是很期待說只要三讀通過電子簽證法給數位簽商推定為本人簽的這個法律效力我們這個民間技術的配套在那個時候大概就可以ready\n部長我想這個部分我們整個社會的期待還是希望能夠加快這個打詐的這個防堵的速度然後針對這個相關的罰則處分的部分也應該加強化那這部分是不是請部長這邊能夠也帶領我們的同仁加快速度那另外針對我們屏東縣這個老年人口這個已經有20%的比例這個高於全國那\n我知道我們數位部、數發部也一直在針對所謂一個遠距交取的醫療的部分有在努力那針對這個部分因為我們屏東有很大的地方是所謂一個遠向跟一個偏向那為了針對這個遠距怎麼樣協助屏東縣落實這個醫療資源的一個處理的上面請部長這個做一個說明好的謝謝委員我們當然剛剛提到我們跟衛福部有非常多的合作所以至少確保說\n徐富癸徐富癸\n那如果需要詳情的話是不是我們司長這個再跟大家說明一下好 不過因為我們屏東有一個狀況就是我們的所謂的網路系統的一個穩定性的問題啦那因為我們目前屏東還是以4G網路為主那這部分我們怎麼樣去協助我們的業者來做處理好 謝謝委員\n今年113年我們針對5G,屏東的台數已經到十幾台。就像我們剛剛部長說的,偏鄉會拉到96%,5G的涵蓋。這邊因為所有包括醫療包括教育都要靠這個傳輸,不管行網還是顧網。所以這邊也請委員放心我們會積極的拉,包括一些特定的偏鄉地區的鄉鎮我們都會加強。\n對,但是我們從我們的預算書裡面看得到我們112年有編列所謂的一個遠距離流的一個預算但是113年沒有編列請問是為什麼沒有編列有很多是我們跟衛福部討論之後我們這邊會提大的公共建設那衛福部會在裡面有一塊但是這個雖然我們是做蒐整還有資料的互通等等但是那個部分預算的編列跟執行會要看衛福部那一本\n好,那我想遠距交學也必須要我們部裡面跟外部部來跨部會整合那這部分還是請部長這邊多費心啦因為畢竟我們屏東縣這個府院遼闊非常需要這個相關的醫療的資源整合那這部分再麻煩部長一下沒問題,我們全力支持好\n時間因素最後一個大家現在關心所謂一個數位身份證的一個問題那我想目前全世界有128個國家在使用我們的晶片數位身份證那之前我們也一直努力在推動那請教部長目前的問題出在哪裡先看委員報告就是國際組織統計那128裡面是有把我們算在裡面因為我們的自然憑證\n當然以及現在行動自然憑證是算在能夠做簽章的這個晶片的身份那之前的主要的差別只是說有沒有一個獨立的個資機關以及內政部有沒有一個專門的法律來處理說如果每個人都可以讓他選擇說\n要發這個有簽章能力的晶片身份證．或者當然他也可以選擇不領的這件事情有沒有一個法律來規範以及有沒有一個獨立的各自會我們看各國大概也都是最近就是有獨立的各自會然後來進行這方面的判斷所以我想我們在技術上面我們透過像行動自然憑證這個目前完全是自願的願意來申請的就有那至於全面的任何政策我想都是之後包含跟各自會進行討論\n那我想因為衛生院組的問題還是資安的問題那所以這部分還是請我們數位發展部能夠提出相關的一些相關的意見那是不是也提供一份署名報告給本席包含我們這個TRO、ZTA等等這些資安的新的做法那我們也請這個同仁署名提供給您好謝謝部長謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.334 --> 00:08.423\n麥克風、麥克風謝謝主席有請部長請部長你好\n\n00:14.726 --> 00:36.216\n部長這個謝謝就是您帶領部裡面針對這個打詐這一塊做了很多的努力但是我們在從數據上看起來確實從106年到目前為止不管是打詐的金額跟建樹還是有逐年攀升的一個趨勢那我想包含我自己的辦公室\n\n00:36.636 --> 00:36.796\n徐富癸\n\n00:58.357 --> 01:24.566\n目前打這案件只簽一個電子簽章的一個三讀的一個程序那我自己個人當然願意配合來修法那這部分部長怎麼看這個問題是謝謝委員讓我們有機會說明我們是電子簽章法的主管機關那剛才也提到網路廣告的這些線上大型平台像Facebook等等雖然目前還在經濟部那經濟部已經原則同意移給我們只要這兩個都完成我們就可以要求說\n\n01:25.222 --> 01:49.887\n在他們上這些他們要投資廣告他說他是某個名人嘛那現在的問題是說他自己說他名字跟這個名人一樣或很像但是並沒有辦法去驗證說他是不是真的同名同姓那透過數位簽章就是一個高等級好像硬件證明這樣的電子簽章除非他真的跟我同名同姓不然應該是不能夠冒用我的名義喔那好就算他改了名字跟我同名同姓那如果被發現是詐騙他的這個簽章也會被撤銷喔\n\n01:50.407 --> 02:01.719\n好部長那因為我們那個電子簽章的那個打仗打仗成效會定位在未來刊登網路廣告需要簽贊這部分但是我們在這次修法沒有看到任何的一個規劃那針對這部分\n\n02:05.151 --> 02:28.770\n您有提到說希望政府機關能夠有一個三年的緩衝期但是外界會認為太久了那如果說我們把時間壓縮在一年可不可行好謝謝委員詢問剛才我提到投資廣告的這個依據就是不是在我們部是在因為投資是金管會有一個投信投股法那在就是警政署刑事局有一個執行的這個要點\n\n02:29.711 --> 02:47.957\n所以其實不需要再去立一個新的投信投股法用既有的投信投股法改這個辦法就可以讓數位錢帳能夠進來那剛剛委員有問到說政府機關讓人民洽工的時候是不是三年之後都要能夠用電子文件等等\n\n02:48.737 --> 03:11.370\n這個跟我們用來請Facebook或者Google防詐這兩個是兩件事情就這個的日落期跟這個是不一定有關係的但是當然我們是很希望說各部會都能夠加速進行只是各部會告訴我們說有時候要升級一些系統等等他需要經過一個預算編列核定的程序那個程序本身就可能要一年多所以是因為這樣的關係我們才寫三年當然能更快是更好\n\n03:12.244 --> 03:14.706\n徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副部長徐副\n\n03:35.425 --> 04:03.512\n那這件事情也很感謝內政部已經同意各行各業包含民間的公司等等只要適用各自法大家都適用各自法就可以來申請這個行動自然憑證的運用所以目前在法規上面已經沒有任何這個就是阻止民間來跟內政部申請接下來大概都是一些技術方面的問題所以我們是很期待說只要三讀通過電子簽證法給數位簽商推定為本人簽的這個法律效力我們這個民間技術的配套在那個時候大概就可以ready\n\n04:05.061 --> 04:31.107\n部長我想這個部分我們整個社會的期待還是希望能夠加快這個打詐的這個防堵的速度然後針對這個相關的罰則處分的部分也應該加強化那這部分是不是請部長這邊能夠也帶領我們的同仁加快速度那另外針對我們屏東縣這個老年人口這個已經有20%的比例這個高於全國那\n\n04:31.827 --> 04:59.569\n我知道我們數位部、數發部也一直在針對所謂一個遠距交取的醫療的部分有在努力那針對這個部分因為我們屏東有很大的地方是所謂一個遠向跟一個偏向那為了針對這個遠距怎麼樣協助屏東縣落實這個醫療資源的一個處理的上面請部長這個做一個說明好的謝謝委員我們當然剛剛提到我們跟衛福部有非常多的合作所以至少確保說\n\n05:00.209 --> 05:00.770\n徐富癸徐富癸\n\n05:21.264 --> 05:39.957\n那如果需要詳情的話是不是我們司長這個再跟大家說明一下好不過因為我們屏東有一個狀況就是我們的所謂的網路系統的一個穩定性的問題啦那因為我們目前屏東還是以4G網路為主那這部分我們怎麼樣去協助我們的業者來做處理好謝謝委員\n\n05:42.439 --> 06:05.108\n今年113年我們針對5G,屏東的台數已經到十幾台。就像我們剛剛部長說的,偏鄉會拉到96%,5G的涵蓋。這邊因為所有包括醫療包括教育都要靠這個傳輸,不管行網還是顧網。所以這邊也請委員放心我們會積極的拉,包括一些特定的偏鄉地區的鄉鎮我們都會加強。\n\n06:06.128 --> 06:31.702\n對,但是我們從我們的預算書裡面看得到我們112年有編列所謂的一個遠距離流的一個預算但是113年沒有編列請問是為什麼沒有編列有很多是我們跟衛福部討論之後我們這邊會提大的公共建設那衛福部會在裡面有一塊但是這個雖然我們是做蒐整還有資料的互通等等但是那個部分預算的編列跟執行會要看衛福部那一本\n\n06:32.332 --> 06:49.304\n好,那我想遠距交學也必須要我們部裡面跟外部部來跨部會整合那這部分還是請部長這邊多費心啦因為畢竟我們屏東縣這個府院遼闊非常需要這個相關的醫療的資源整合那這部分再麻煩部長一下沒問題,我們全力支持好\n\n06:50.644 --> 07:12.836\n時間因素最後一個大家現在關心所謂一個數位身份證的一個問題那我想目前全世界有128個國家在使用我們的晶片數位身份證那之前我們也一直努力在推動那請教部長目前的問題出在哪裡先看委員報告就是國際組織統計那128裡面是有把我們算在裡面因為我們的自然憑證\n\n07:13.636 --> 07:28.225\n當然以及現在行動自然憑證是算在能夠做簽章的這個晶片的身份那之前的主要的差別只是說有沒有一個獨立的個資機關以及內政部有沒有一個專門的法律來處理說如果每個人都可以讓他選擇說\n\n07:29.406 --> 07:53.084\n要發這個有簽章能力的晶片身份證．或者當然他也可以選擇不領的這件事情有沒有一個法律來規範以及有沒有一個獨立的各自會我們看各國大概也都是最近就是有獨立的各自會然後來進行這方面的判斷所以我想我們在技術上面我們透過像行動自然憑證這個目前完全是自願的願意來申請的就有那至於全面的任何政策我想都是之後包含跟各自會進行討論\n\n07:54.930 --> 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