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00:00:52,318\n但是當然鬧得風風雨雨啊也就是業務的不章出國頻繁這等等那當然這個我想部長有部長的做法那當然每一個單位我們都基本上是尊重但是部長我現在要跟你談有稍微一種政治性的東西二月份的時候\n\n3\n00:00:53,413 --> 00:01:17,645\n我從來沒有看過利盈媒體攻擊利盈的政務官這不是只有一篇所以我說實在的我感覺讓我直接覺得部長是得罪什麼人那為什麼通常是利盈媒體應該要正面宣導結果利盈的媒體是打部長\n\n4\n00:01:19,377 --> 00:01:26,763\n當然我們將心比心如果是真的那沒話講如果是假的那就是假新聞所以部長我說實在我用一點時間\n\n5\n00:01:33,496 --> 00:01:57,044\n我要問你一個問題到底你針對這件問題你認為有沒有證書因素謝謝委員讓我們有時間回答我先很感謝自由時報特別如果您看右邊你就回答我的問題就好了你什麼不好那個都不要講因為我要代替我要代替你平反把問題把它找出來你有沒有覺得有證書因素\n\n6\n00:01:58,905 --> 00:02:14,004\n因為要分兩個層面嘛一個是說像剛剛委員所提到有一些我們的做法要一陣子才看得到成效這個時候就會有政治壓力好比較說民間對於詐騙覺得說我們主管的地方OK啊但是這些廣告平台怎麼不去管呢等等這個是政治壓力沒有錯啊\n\n7\n00:02:14,364 --> 00:02:14,945\n我給部長一個建議事實\n\n8\n00:02:35,219 --> 00:03:00,111\n兼修理這兩者之間就是你是這個知性的天才跟蠢才這兩者之間都是一個一線之隔所以我必須要提醒部長在這個部分我為什麼要用我執行的時間讓你去做解釋其實我感覺到好的人才當然不能讓人家猛黑啦\n\n9\n00:03:01,711 --> 00:03:22,081\n台灣話講一句話因為你聽得懂嘛人死老婆後死老婆啦所以這些東西不能因為因為這比較敏感的就是力引媒體修領力引的官員這一點我比較納悶的因為我從來沒有看過沒有看過另外一個\n\n10\n00:03:23,481 --> 00:03:51,396\n這裏面媒體也報導說你針對媒體的這個做法是中國假信息以及認知作戰及破壞台美相關合作這點是很嚴厲的指控部長你有什麼看法而且不是真的不是真的好部長不是真的就是假新聞喔是嗎不是真的也有可能是他誤解我們的意思\n\n11\n00:03:51,716 --> 00:04:07,188\n雖然誤解但是你要表示意見啊不中拜託我民意代表在跟你感動但是我為你打抱不平欸你知道嗎可是你從來都不講這叫做什麼到底是默認或者說我想不幹了我也不理你啦\n\n12\n00:04:09,548 --> 00:04:35,593\n這個心態你要去調整好我們當天馬上就有澄清這個立即可以澄清我們副院長叫立可白的這個做法那這件事情其實也跟委員報告我非常快速的說明你不要跟我說明因為我就是替你打抱不平我才談這些事那另外一個你個人思想數位部所有的同仁被抹黑被栽贓這類的東西對他們是不公平的\n\n13\n00:04:36,013 --> 00:04:58,468\n博定當然因為你是政府官你來氣自如但是你不能讓我們數位部的同仁說一個比較快的這個不擺之煙嘛所以這個博定我提供給你你個人事小但是數位部的同仁他的清白是很重要的好不好好來博定我現在要跟你談業務啦\n\n14\n00:05:00,269 --> 00:05:16,627\n現在我們比較矛盾的地方就是這個像台積電裡面的資訊服務啊那我們有三個單位在做一個是我們書花部一個是我們經濟部一個是我們國花會\n\n15\n00:05:17,668 --> 00:05:39,898\n那通通都是做這些資訊服務請問到底是應該我們做或者國發會做或者經濟部做這個有什麼區別你可以告訴我們好的國發會他是在就是政策上位的高度我們數位部也是國發會的成員就好像我們是國科會的成員一樣所以各個部門要怎麼樣子配合好比方經濟部\n\n16\n00:06:04,372 --> 00:06:04,492\n總統,請注意\n\n17\n00:06:21,476 --> 00:06:21,636\n蘇慧部長\n\n18\n00:06:52,338 --> 00:07:01,510\n說我們資安啊現在未來是在台灣是非常重要的喔所以資安是非常重要可是資安手他對資安沒有什麼經歷這一點\n\n19\n00:07:03,376 --> 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